Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

[Seafury]

It is my understanding that the OP is channeling this information. If that is the case I would expect the emotions of the channel to bleed through in the form of some defensive emotion.

The "attacks" are not all completely invalid. They are also being reciprocated with the energy they were given with. Just because an entity is more "advanced" in some way does not make them perfect.

The OP is not attacking anyone who doesn't attack him. If someone wants to throw down, get ready to take one in the lip.

[Myplanet2]

What I'd really like to see is lots of plain language explanations. The scientific explanations are there for anyone who wants to check them out. But there is no reason this can't all be explained so anyone can understand, if they want to. In terms which are in common usage.

When someone has to encode, or encrypt their messages, I have to wonder why? I would think anyone here to enlighten, would have making themselves understood as their first priority.

Some of the Thuban data resonates with me, lots of it doesn't, but I don't really know how much of it I just don't understand. For example, I kind of got the impression that the Thuban had a somewhat possessive attitude towards Earth? Or did I read that wrong?

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

What I'd really like to see is lots of plain language explanations. The scientific explanations are there for anyone who wants to check them out. But there is no reason this can't all be explained so anyone can understand, if they want to. In terms which are in common usage.

This is a rational and intelligent statement Myplanet2. I was under an erroneous impresumption, that Uncle John would be able to at least discern the answer to his questions from my reply.

But instead of saying: 'Abraxas, I am unfamiliar with the scientific labels in your reply; could you translate for me into layman's terms?';
Uncle John 'accused' me of 'copy and paste' plagiarism from 'phishing sites' and of 'culling' scientific gibberish from academic sources.
I have attempted to answer his queries 'in klayman's terms' after being asked to do so by him without his anti-Thuban innuendos.

When someone has to encode, or encrypt their messages, I have to wonder why? I would think anyone here to enlighten, would have making themselves understood as their first priority.

Perhaps familiarizing yourself with the language used by the sciences, will enlighten you to the fact that this kind of encoding is not one of elitism or the 'sequestering' of information. Mathematical and logical discourse can be rather enlightening itself.

Some of the Thuban data resonates with me, lots of it doesn't, but I don't really know how much of it I just don't understand. For example, I kind of got the impression that the Thuban had a somewhat possessive attitude towards Earth? Or did I read that wrong?

Oh yes we are so possessive in that WE have already 'taken over your world'.
Thuban Rules! - In the Name of the Logos.

AA

[Raven]

Perhaps familiarizing yourself with the language used by the sciences, will enlighten you to the fact that this kind of encoding is not one of elitism or the 'sequestering' of information. Mathematical and logical discourse can be rather enlightening itself.

This is very true. And with this statement I can truely see that math is a language unto itself and even though my 'fluency' in it isn't all that great, this thread and discourse makes me wish to understand it more. Thank you abraxas.
Raven

*Goes back to reading the holigraphic universe again for the umpteenth time*

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Raven

Perhaps familiarizing yourself with the language used by the sciences, will enlighten you to the fact that this kind of encoding is not one of elitism or the 'sequestering' of information. Mathematical and logical discourse can be rather enlightening itself.

This is very true. And with this statement I can truely see that math is a language unto itself and even though my 'fluency' in it isn't all that great, this thread and discourse makes me wish to understand it more. Thank you abraxas.
Raven

*Goes back to reading the holographic universe again for the umpteenth time*

The Holographic Universe by Talbot is a very good introduction to the 'real physical-metaphysical' universe for the 'layman' indeed.

Thank you for your mentioning this Raven. Here is the link for the 'Holographic Universe'; first Michael Talbot, then Strings-wiki then Thuban.
http://tonyb.freeyellow.com/id7.html

AA

[Malletzky]

Dear avalonians (ALL of you reading and contributing on this thread)...dear mods! I've been here on this forum for a while and you know me enough to know that I never mean to offend or judge. So please don't feel offended and judged by me...I just take my right as a forum participant, as each one of you does, to make my statement here.

My recent discovered ability to "read/feel" (or call this whatever you wish) the energy signatures of posted material seem to slay over me right now.
I’m very sorry to see so much “negativity” with “hidden agendas” behind the written words.

I will not ask the common question: WHY? You would know why, and I don’t want your answer!

But I will ask some other questions, and ALL of you, especially the one who knows better, are wellcome to participate. (Mods and Abrax, sorry if this seem to be out of context here, but believe me, it isn’t).

First, why do some of you, with english as your “mother language”, trust that the numerology applied on the basics of the english language is (the only one?) correct? How comes, when there are probably more then 6.000 still “active” languages spoken and written on this planet right now?

Or could you eventually “tell” me the numerological meaning of my Avatar’s name malletzky and what does it really mean? (Besides the fact that I already posted somewhere here on this forum the exact meaning, it is written and read differently in my mother language). I’m just curious here, nothing more...and I hope that you will see the meaningless attempts of applying numerology to “read” the meaning of something after “deciphering and decoding and decrypting” my avatar.


Secondly, and I’m just curios again (sorry to ask, even if I know the real purpose...see above the remark of the energy signatures).

I’ve noticed that many of you Mods contributed here on this forum, and this is the first time I see so many of you posting on one thread. The only question I would like to ask, without assuming or judging, or even worst, telling you where and when to post...is:

Do you have your Mod’s hat on or of when posting?

I will end this post unusually for me...with some quotes which I find appropriate...

Careful you must be when sensing the future, Anakin. The fear of loss is a path to the dark side...---“Master Yoda ”

So what are we afraid to loose? Is it the probable complacency which makes us blind to sometimes see behind the curtain? If so...

Do not be afraid to make a sudden and radical change if the opportunity is presented and you feel after careful consideration that it is the right opportunity ... but never take sudden or radical action when you are in doubt as to the wisdom of doing so. -----“Wallace Wattles”.

Therefore:

When you are in doubt, wait. -----“Wallace Wattles”.

with respect
malletzky

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Malletzky

Dear avalonians (ALL of you reading and contributing on this thread)...dear mods! I've been here on this forum for a while and you know me enough to know that I never mean to offend or judge. So please don't feel offended and judged by me...I just take my right as a forum participant, as each one of you does, to make my statement here.

My recent discovered ability to "read/feel" (or call this whatever you wish) the energy signatures of posted material seem to slay over me right now.
I’m very sorry to see so much “negativity” with “hidden agendas” behind the written words.

I will not ask the common question: WHY? You would know why, and I don’t want your answer!

But I will ask some other questions, and ALL of you, especially the one who knows better, are wellcome to participate. (Mods and Abrax, sorry if this seem to be out of context here, but believe me, it isn’t).

No its not.

I share your dismay.

There have been flares of ego, the posturing "tests" by those that think they "know" but fail most of the tests themselves, passive aggression, veiled accusations of insincerity, recently close to outright accusations and a distinct lack of respect now; which has started to become the norm in this thread and I really hope it stops.

I already knew at the outset that sooner or later Abraxas would be implicated as a would be "cult" leader. I'll give the the forum credit - I could see it brewing for weeks, and it took longer than I estimated, but sure enough you delivered. Why ? What was the point ? Ask youself - do you take pleasure in landing these sword blows? Do you think you are "winning"?

Where is the love? It's gone fishing on account of too much FEAR and inability to see past the role of the ego when it plays dirty.

Quite apart from this, it seems to me that a wanna-be cult leader would be stupid to come on Avalon! [1] - there are a small percentage (and I mean small) of people here that would out them in a second. None of whom I think I have seen posting on this thread yet but they do thier thing in peace and respect.

So I sit here thinking why do I have to sit here and watch yet another Avalon style hatchet job in progress - and then Malletzky comes along and posts just what I was thinking.

Please stop it. Bury those hatchets. Read the thread for what it is. Just ask your questions nicely please and be respectful. If you must laugh at the posers who think they are masters of this game - go ahead, but do it in private please.

Above all, please don't "With respect" , I think you are a - cult leader, fake, plaigiarist, non-sensical speaker of gibberish ... whatever - "with respect" anyone. It is not respect - it is bloody rude and fake.

Abraxasinas/Moderators/Members - please have a good talk with your human sides and tell them not to escalate please.

With respect

In the love and in the light of the one infinite creator, let harmony come.

A..

[1] Bill Ryan excepted of course

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Anchor

No its not.

I share your dismay.

There have been flares of ego, the posturing "tests" by those that think they "know" but fail most of the tests themselves, passive aggression, veiled accusations of insincerity, recently close to outright accusations and a distinct lack of respect now; which has started to become the norm in this thread and I really hope it stops.

I already knew at the outset that sooner or later Abraxas would be implicated as a would be "cult" leader. I'll give the the forum credit - I could see it brewing for weeks, and it took longer than I estimated, but sure enough you delivered. Why ? What was the point ? Ask youself - do you take pleasure in landing these sword blows? Do you think you are "winning"?

Where is the love? It's gone fishing on account of too much FEAR and inability to see the role of the ego when it plays dirty.

Quite apart from this, it seems to me that a wanna-be cult leader would be stupid to come on Avalon! [1] - there are a small percentage (and I mean small) of people here that would out them in a second. None of whom I think I have seen posting on this thread yet but they do thier thing in peace and respect.

So I sit here thinking why do I have to sit here and watch yet another Avalon style hatchet job in progress - and then Malletzky comes along an posts just what I was thinking.

Please stop it. Bury those hatchets. Read the thread for what it is. Just ask your questions nicely please and be respectful. If you must laugh at the posers who think they are masters of this game - go ahead, but do it in private please.

Above all, please don't "With respect" , I think you are a - cult leader, fake, plaigiarist, non-sensical speaker of gibberish "with respect" anyone. It is not respect - it is bloody rude.

Abraxasinas/Moderators/Members - please have a good talk with your human sides and tell them not to escalate please.

With respect

In the love and in the light of the one infinite creator, let harmony come.

A..

[1] Bill Ryan excepted of course

Hi Anchor!

It is not THAT serious. The correspondents are not 'hostile' on the 'lower' levels of the 'personas', though it certainly appears that way.
I am NOT offended and do not detect offense in the other participants.
A forum such as this, by definition, assumes a slightly different and more tolerant notion of the 'ad hominem'.
Think of it as the 'today politically incorrect' notions of 'British Comedy', say 20-40 years ago.
At your life-experience you might remember 'sitcoms' like:
"Love Thy Neighbour" and 'Mind Your Language' and 'Only Fools and Horses' and 'George and the Dragon' and 'Are You Being Served'.

It's fun and a little 'sexist' and a little 'racist' and so on but always allowing the 'offended ones' win the arguments.
So its NOT 'sexist' or 'racist' or any of the 'insane' labels placed upon things in today's 'morally correct' society.

The ability to 'laugh at onself' has somehow be left behind in this 'correctness' and attempts not to say a 'wrong word' at a 'wrong place'.
Now the OZZIE has not yet fallen into the 'I'll sue you for this' conundrum of the litigations, as you well know.
Let us hope that the Americana of the 'I am so offended' does not become a worldwide phenomenon for the 'vulnerable sentimentalities'.

That said, yes I shall curtail the aggressive replies in a more circumspect manner.

Abraxas

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Seafury

It is my understanding that the OP is channeling this information. If that is the case I would expect the emotions of the channel to bleed through in the form of some defensive emotion.

The "attacks" are not all completely invalid. They are also being reciprocated with the energy they were given with. Just because an entity is more "advanced" in some way does not make them perfect.

The OP is not attacking anyone who doesn't attack him. If someone wants to throw down, get ready to take one in the lip.

Well said seafury!

My last reply to hillibillbobbi attempted to convey your sentiments as stated here.

This forum 'prides' itself in attempting to 'go behind the brainwashing of the general populus'.
Then, when the 'extended science' {Yes Uncle Johns, ALL of the science you will or have encountered is TOTALLY MAINSTREAM, without Einstein bashing, quantum theory ridiculings and so forth whatsoever}, is presented; the 'skeptics' demand proof of and by the 'brainwashers' themselves.
The Uncle Johns wish to have it both ways in having the 'brainwashers' support in their own 'brainwashed' understanding, as well as then 'questioning the brainwashers' as to the validity of their assumptions.

AA

[Phtha]

Really, this forum 'prides' itself with that? I've never got that feeling here at all. To my perception it is just a bunch of people who know how brainwashed we are, and are trying to remedy the problem while taken exciting journeys from time to time. There is no overt pride here. I think that comment was a little bit of self projection dear abraxis. Do you believe in coincidence?

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

This forum 'prides' itself in attempting to 'go behind the brainwashing of the general populus'.

AA

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Really, this forum 'prides' itself with that? I've never got that feeling here at all. To my perception it is just a bunch of people who know how brainwashed we are, and are trying to remedy the problem while taken exciting journeys from time to time. There is no overt pride here. I think that comment was a little bit of self projection dear abraxis. Do you believe in coincidence?

You like playing wordgames don't you.
Replace the word 'pride' with 'statement of purpose' and you get a better 'meaning' of what I mean.
Agreed, the word 'pride' was not the best choice.
The word 'pride' also means a group of lions and they reflect on my motives for sure.

If one types so many replies, the first word entering one's mind is often not the best choice, but should, on average convey the overall meaning.

Jesters like you then sit in their judgement seats and nitpick sentences to find something to object to.

Well done Phtah, you have done no service to your Ren of Ptah - the universal architect!

AA

[Phtha]

I suppose I do Abraxas enjoy playing with words, so long as there is no harm done that is.
But I see that you twisted my response around like I knew you would.
You have also proven yourself bad at 'archetyping' on a few occasions, which is fair. I certainly don't nitpick on purpose or look for anything to disagree with, quite the opposite, but if things come up that I do disagree with that is not my fault entirely, and thanks to forums, being what they are, I can point them out. Often what you have been accusing others of you do yourself. That's not my fault.

The reason I asked if you believe in coincidences or not was because of an interesting little book about 'how to start your own cult.' Have you read it?

Anyways, I thought some of you might like to read these ten steps. I’ll list them below, for more details on each step click the link.
http://www.mindpowernews.com/BuildACult.htm
1. Initiation vs. Instruction
2. Being Accessible
3. Imply Secret Knowledge
4. Remaining calm as if all-knowing
5. Create a detached involvement as if “you” are in a “higher place”
6. Connect deeply with the individual
7. “Chunk Up” whenever possible
8. Always allude to the mysterious
9. God-Like Confidence
10. Appeal to peoples needs and wants

Coincidence?
I’ll let you decide. I DO know that the the information is coming from a source that knows a heck of a lot more then I do, real or not. So I take the gems and dissolve the rest.
And send my heart felt thanks.

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

You like playing wordgames don't you.

Jesters like you then sit in their judgement seats and nitpick sentences to find something to object to.

Well done Phtah, you have done no service to your Ren of Ptah - the universal architect!

AA

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by Phtha

I suppose I do Abraxas enjoy playing with words, so long as there is no harm done that is.
But I see that you twisted my response around like I knew you would.
You have also proven yourself bad at 'archetyping' on a few occasions, which is fair. I certainly don't nitpick on purpose or look for anything to disagree with, quite the opposite, but if things come up that I do disagree with that is not my fault entirely, and thanks to forums, being what they are, I can point them out. Often what you have been accusing others of you do yourself. That's not my fault.

The reason I asked if you believe in coincidences or not was because of an interesting little book about 'how to start your own cult.' Have you read it?

Anyways, I thought some of you might like to read these ten steps. I’ll list them below, for more details on each step click the link.
http://www.mindpowernews.com/BuildACult.htm
1. Initiation vs. Instruction
2. Being Accessible
3. Imply Secret Knowledge
4. Remaining calm as if all-knowing
5. Create a detached involvement as if “you” are in a “higher place”
6. Connect deeply with the individual
7. “Chunk Up” whenever possible
8. Always allude to the mysterious
9. God-Like Confidence
10. Appeal to peoples needs and wants

Coincidence?
I’ll let you decide. I DO know that the the information is coming from a source that knows a heck of a lot more then I do, real or not. So I take the gems and dissolve the rest.
And send my heart felt thanks.

Thank you for the guideline, which of course is about harmonics too: On a higher harmonic some of those characteristics might be well intentioned.

Look at the being directly and know/see what harmonic of attitude is the being operating from? What "incident" is the being sitting in that might need to be healed? will tell you more, personally, than any instruction book. Be willing to turn that mirror or have that mirror turned on yourself too.

Also, ask yourself, how susceptible are you to falling into spiritual traps? The ego trap = status and maintenance of control and its inverse ("You hurt me", whine, whine, whine). Then there is what I affectionately call the "Hareem Trap" = greed and sensationalism (or its inverse). How proofed up are you? Know thyself first :-)

Here is a corresponding guideline from Max Sandor's "The Little Purple Notebook on How to Escape from this Universe"

http://orunla.org/pnohteftu/ch434.html

May we all be lifted up -- we are all special.

peace,
Gnosis

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Phtha

I suppose I do Abraxas enjoy playing with words, so long as there is no harm done that is.
But I see that you twisted my response around like I knew you would.

Of course you knew all along that I am here to gain a following to build a cult.

You have also proven yourself bad at 'archetyping' on a few occasions, which is fair.

Well perhaps illuminating your statement with details and examples would serve your pirpose a little better than generalisations here.

I certainly don't nitpick on purpose or look for anything to disagree with, quite the opposite, but if things come up that I do disagree with that is not my fault entirely, and thanks to forums, being what they are, I can point them out. Often what you have been accusing others of you do yourself. That's not my fault.

Please show me where I have accused anyone of anything after not having become accused beforehand. Mirror Mirror on the Wall, who is the accuser of them all?

The reason I asked if you believe in coincidences or not was because of an interesting little book about 'how to start your own cult.' Have you read it?

I am not very interested in cults.

Anyways, I thought some of you might like to read these ten steps. I’ll list them below, for more details on each step click the link.
http://www.mindpowernews.com/BuildACult.htm
1. Initiation vs. Instruction

Little instruction by and of Thuban data; just throwing the 'pearls' before the 'hogs' to trample on it - mostly there are majestic unicorns as well. Initiation - whatever you make of it - do you feel initiated?


2. Being Accessible

Yes, this is the Q and A idea.

3. Imply Secret Knowledge

Yes, so the Secret Knowldge is Secret No Longer.

4. Remaining calm as if all-knowing

No, I get rather agitated and annoyed by the hogs - but selfcontrol is possible and the unicorns enliven the purgatory.

5. Create a detached involvement as if “you” are in a “higher place”

Certainly no detachment, like in a movies; you see it; you hear it; you live it; you become absorbed and you identify with the story; you BE it.

6. Connect deeply with the individual

As far as the vibrational resonances allow to do so. Some you can 'read' others are more difficult to do so - especially the biased tunnel visoned ones.

7. “Chunk Up” whenever possible

I do not know what this means. I prefer English English (colour) over the American English (color). Chunking up might mean making it bigger than it is. If that is what is meant - No, the 'truth of the Logos' requires no 'chunking up'.

8. Always allude to the mysterious

No, to solve and do away with the mysteries and paradoxes is the Thuban agenda.

9. God-Like Confidence

I wish! It's basically impossible to BE the Logos; but one can assimilate as One - trying to.

10. Appeal to peoples needs and wants

This is a nonsensical statement. Why would the Thuban Council appeal to anything; if it is sent by the Logos? The data is meant to enrich, allow perspectives and choices. This is unrelated to 'needs and wants' of people in the meaning of the words.

Coincidence?

Coincidence has nothing to do with those questions, unless you imply that Thuban is seeking cultish leadership.

I’ll let you decide. I DO know that the the information is coming from a source that knows a heck of a lot more then I do, real or not. So I take the gems and dissolve the rest.
And send my heart felt thanks.

Ok; I'll decide.
Thuban is a pretend smokescreen of pretend information, which is just a plagiarism of well credentialled academic sources masquerading as 'real science' of a new world.
The Thubanese are old Draconians who like to eat people for breakfast and to gather food resources; the Thubanese have decided to infiltrate the world's most important discussion forum: Project Avalon.

Here then the agenda is to brainwash the forum contributors with scientific sounding but really worthless information and for the purpose to gain as many followers of the Thubanese philosophy as possible.

Then when the critical mass of cult followers has been reached, the true Draconian Reptoids will appear and harvest their brainwashed followers.
This will be accomplished in invading the old earth shortly after December 21st, 2012 through a Black Hole-White Hole monadic dyad opening up halfway between Sirius and Gaia and wormhole connected to the Orion starsystem.

The Powers-That-Be of the old earth will be powerless to stop US; because they had thought that WE would allow them to be our ambassadors of the new earth and in thinking of themselves as the elite.

WE shall eat them for lunch; but they dont know that yet; although some of them suspect that WE are deceiving them.

And so WE shall rule the New Earth and in a few years, say 2015, WE shall reengineer the deteriorated wormhole channels to allow our Draconian brothers and sisters to join US on OUR new homeplanet SERPENTINA.

From then on, SERPENTINA will be a BLACK DRAGONSTAR.

All of the old humanity will have been consumed by US and WE shall DRAGONSEED a HybridRace between OURSELVES and OUR Ancestrial Lineages.

But first of all, WE have to create the Thuban Dragon Cult and this and only this is the purpose of Abraxas.

So Be It!

Signed and Sealed in the Name or Amen of the Master-Templar
by Abraxasinas Scribe of the Dragons aka the SolarArrowed Unicorn of the SeaGoatian Dragonhorns entwined with the Hermetic FisherEagle of the Lunar Twins.

AA

[Firedrake]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Ok; I'll decide.
Thuban is a pretend smokescreen of pretend information, which is just a plagiarism of well credentialled academic sources masquerading as 'real science' of a new world.
The Thubanese are old Draconians who like to eat people for breakfast and to gather food resources; the Thubanese have decided to infiltrate the world's most important discussion forum: Project Avalon.

Here then the agenda is to brainwash the forum contributors with scientific sounding but really worthless information and for the purpose to gain as many followers of the Thubanese philosophy as possible.

Then when the critical mass of cult followers has been reached, the true Draconian Reptoids will appear and harvest their brainwashed followers.
This will be accomplished in invading the old earth shortly after December 21st, 2012 through a Black Hole-White Hole monadic dyad opening up halfway between Sirius and Gaia and wormhole connected to the Orion starsystem.

The Powers-That-Be of the old earth will be powerless to stop US; because they had thought that WE would allow them to be our ambassadors of the new earth and in thinking of themselves as the elite.

WE shall eat them for lunch; but they dont know that yet; although some of them suspect that WE are deceiving them.

And so WE shall rule the New Earth and in a few years, say 2015, WE shall reengineer the deteriorated wormhole channels to allow our Draconian brothers and sisters to join US on OUR new homeplanet SERPENTINA.

From then on, SERPENTINA will be a BLACK DRAGONSTAR.

All of the old humanity will have been consumed by US and WE shall DRAGONSEED a HybridRace between OURSELVES and OUR Ancestrial Lineages.

But first of all, WE have to create the Thuban Dragon Cult and this and only this is the purpose of Abraxas.

So Be It!

Signed and Sealed in the Name or Amen of the Master-Templar
by Abraxasinas Scribe of the Dragons aka the SolarArrowed Unicorn of the SeaGoatian Dragonhorns entwined with the Hermetic FisherEagle of the Lunar Twins.

AA

......
Soups on!

[Sollve]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Ok; I'll decide.
Thuban is a pretend smokescreen of pretend information, which is just a plagiarism of well credentialled academic sources masquerading as 'real science' of a new world.
The Thubanese are old Draconians who like to eat people for breakfast and to gather food resources; the Thubanese have decided to infiltrate the world's most important discussion forum: Project Avalon.

Here then the agenda is to brainwash the forum contributors with scientific sounding but really worthless information and for the purpose to gain as many followers of the Thubanese philosophy as possible.

Then when the critical mass of cult followers has been reached, the true Draconian Reptoids will appear and harvest their brainwashed followers.
This will be accomplished in invading the old earth shortly after December 21st, 2012 through a Black Hole-White Hole monadic dyad opening up halfway between Sirius and Gaia and wormhole connected to the Orion starsystem.

The Powers-That-Be of the old earth will be powerless to stop US; because they had thought that WE would allow them to be our ambassadors of the new earth and in thinking of themselves as the elite.

WE shall eat them for lunch; but they dont know that yet; although some of them suspect that WE are deceiving them.

And so WE shall rule the New Earth and in a few years, say 2015, WE shall reengineer the deteriorated wormhole channels to allow our Draconian brothers and sisters to join US on OUR new homeplanet SERPENTINA.

From then on, SERPENTINA will be a BLACK DRAGONSTAR.

All of the old humanity will have been consumed by US and WE shall DRAGONSEED a HybridRace between OURSELVES and OUR Ancestrial Lineages.

But first of all, WE have to create the Thuban Dragon Cult and this and only this is the purpose of Abraxas.

So Be It!

Signed and Sealed in the Name or Amen of the Master-Templar
by Abraxasinas Scribe of the Dragons aka the SolarArrowed Unicorn of the SeaGoatian Dragonhorns entwined with the Hermetic FisherEagle of the Lunar Twins.

AA

Hehe, THIS I do understand. Very nicely written indeed! Nothing of that science over my head stuff. Just plain and simple.

I think you've made a very healthy statement in showing us that you can be just as convincing regardless the message and this will hopefully make all of us even more sure about our own feelings. I really liked this thread in the beginning because it focused on my feelings about love and unity but towards the end it has become just what the very problem "outside" is. Outside the most believe that things are what they are because "everyone" is OK with it and I should probably also be OK with it because everyone else is OK with it and so on. Luckily there are people here that are aware of their own feelings and understands that when they feel the urge to ask and to get things clarified, that make it happen regardless of how stupid this may seem in the eyes of others who are afraid to show their percieved "stupidity". We are here because we DO make a difference. We are not like everyone else and I'm so proud of the many fearless humans, walk-ins and whatever that dares to stand up for themselves and who dares to acknowledge their feelings and make this world a better place.

Without people that dare to question what they feel is wrong from within we are allready lost and you could just as well eat us right away. I won't follow anything that doesn't feel right from within, regardless how right you try to make me believe it is.

The positive thing with a forum like this is that the questions show. On the outside in the "normal" world, questions not supporting the general dogma have a much harder time to surface. In here everything gets the equal space and that's just how it's supposed to be.

So.... Let us not be eaten. Let's question every atom in this reality that doesn't resonate with the whole of each and everyone of us because if we truly are the co-creators of our reality, which I know we all are, why should not every atom and every frequency resonate with the whole of our beings?

I believe the only reason our world isn't what the majority want it to be is the very thing this thread has come to represent.

I happen to think about Adam and Eve in Eden, and the snake delivering messages that apparently Eve didn't quite understand, but thought she did and there you go. Once we start to give in to the temptations of someone else telling us what is and what isn't, we are lost.

You will probably say that it's up to everyone to make their own beliefs from the information you are giving and sure it is.. You will probably also say that you don't force anyone, and you don't... But this is also the case on the "outside", still things aren't what they are supposed to be. So, yes the ones to blame are us for not doing something about it, but if you truly want to help us why don't you just in a plain and easy way just do that. Why give us the opportunity to MISINTERPRET? Why give us the opportunity to not understand? Make the message plain and simple and easy to understand for everyone just like you did in this one and you will truly help us.

Over and out knowing that I make a difference.
Sollve

[Firedrake]

Originally Posted by Sollve

So, yes the ones to blame are us for not doing something about it, but if you truly want to help us why don't you just in a plain and easy way just do that. Why give us the opportunity to MISINTERPRET? Why give us the opportunity to not understand? Make the message plain and simple and easy to understand for everyone just like you did in this one and you will truly help us.

Because that is Free Will, you learn to incorporate knowingness into your experience only when you come to understand it for yourself; resonate with wisdom in the realization of your truth.

You never don't have the opportunity to not or misunderstand, that is always a persons choice, to listen to you inner knowingness or let fear trample your mind and thoughts.

Whatever happens happens, the more we worry or dwell on past mistakes the more we are sucked out of the moment and away from who we truly are.

If you want to believe that we are going to be eaten, fine, but know there are those of us here that have so much love for these 'vessels' around us that we are ready and willing to mirror whatever energy these 'Fallen Dragons' are looking to bring back onto them.

This is all about having a vast array of experiences, learning from them, and choosing what reality we want out of the endless ingredients we have to work with.

Return to the eternal heart, and whatever questions you have, if asked from the heart, with that innocent pure intent, will be answered from a place of unconditional love.

-Love and Light-

[Sollve]

Originally Posted by Firedrake

Because that is Free Will, you learn to incorporate knowingness into your experience only when you come to understand it for yourself; resonate with wisdom in the realization of your truth.

You never don't have the opportunity to not or misunderstand, that is always a persons choice, to listen to you inner knowingness or let fear trample your mind and thoughts.

Whatever happens happens, the more we worry or dwell on past mistakes the more we are sucked out of the moment and away from who we truly are.

If you want to believe that we are going to be eaten, fine, but know there are those of us here that have so much love for these 'vessels' around us that we are ready and willing to mirror whatever energy these 'Fallen Dragons' are looking to bring back onto them.

This is all about having a vast array of experiences, learning from them, and choosing what reality we want out of the endless ingredients we have to work with.

Return to the eternal heart, and whatever questions you have, if asked from the heart, with that innocent pure intent, will be answered from a place of unconditional love.

-Love and Light-

Firedrake,

You are right ofcourse and I can also feel that my message wasn't interpreted the way I wanted therefor it needs a small justment. What I meant was that I as the messenger don't need to allow my message to be misinterpreted. If I believe the fault for misinterpretation is mine as the messenger I can choose not to allow misinterpretation by listening to my recipients and remake the message to suit the recipient without loosing it's intent. It's all about how important I believe my message is. If I don't care about the message itself, there is no reason to clarify.

I'll have to see if my intention with this message came through, otherwise I'll try to clarifiy again until it does, and at the same time trying to make an example of what I mean.

Also, I won't be eaten, because I will be dead before someone eats me.

Peace, love and understanding.
Sollve

[Firedrake]

Originally Posted by Sollve

Firedrake,

You are right ofcourse and I can also feel that my message wasn't interpreted the way I wanted therefor it needs a small justment. What I meant was that I as the messenger don't need to allow my message to be misinterpreted. If I believe the fault for misinterpretation is mine as the messenger I can choose not to allow misinterpretation by listening to my recipients and remake the message to suit the recipient without loosing it's intent. It's all about how important I believe my message is. If I don't care about the message itself, there is no reason to clarify.

I'll have to see if my intention with this message came through, otherwise I'll try to clarifiy again until it does, and at the same time trying to make an example of what I mean.

Also, I won't be eaten, because I will be dead before someone eats me.

Peace, love and understanding.
Sollve

I agree with you, but one can only clarify so far since some do not yet have the experiences to be able to relate with certain things. Confusion is natural when one can not relate, or, chooses to not relate or chooses to look at a message in a certain way, which may not be how it was intended. I do agree we should try to clarify to cause less confusion, some are in such a deep state of self denial though that they will only see past a certain point.
The person who is interpreting the message is the one that allows it to be misinterpreted or not, not the messenger, the messenger can try to provide clarity, but sometimes not always in a successful manner for the individual.
It can also be the messengers intent to cause misinterpretation, but even then it is still up to the interpreter of the message what they take from it.

Oh, and you are already dead, and alive, just unaware that you have the ability to be wherever you wish whenever you want.

Death, as you might think of it, is leaving this vessel or body and returning to your main energy connection you deviate from. But, you do not have to permanently leave the physical body, one can have a conscious death experience, and come back bringing with them new insights and realizations about who they are and what they want in their reality.

-Love and Light-

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Sollve

Hehe, THIS I do understand. Very nicely written indeed! Nothing of that science over my head stuff. Just plain and simple.

I think you've made a very healthy statement in showing us that you can be just as convincing regardless the message and this will hopefully make all of us even more sure about our own feelings. I really liked this thread in the beginning because it focused on my feelings about love and unity but towards the end it has become just what the very problem "outside" is. Outside the most believe that things are what they are because "everyone" is OK with it and I should probably also be OK with it because everyone else is OK with it and so on. Luckily there are people here that are aware of their own feelings and understands that when they feel the urge to ask and to get things clarified, that make it happen regardless of how stupid this may seem in the eyes of others who are afraid to show their percieved "stupidity". We are here because we DO make a difference. We are not like everyone else and I'm so proud of the many fearless humans, walk-ins and whatever that dares to stand up for themselves and who dares to acknowledge their feelings and make this world a better place.

Without people that dare to question what they feel is wrong from within we are allready lost and you could just as well eat us right away. I won't follow anything that doesn't feel right from within, regardless how right you try to make me believe it is.

The positive thing with a forum like this is that the questions show. On the outside in the "normal" world, questions not supporting the general dogma have a much harder time to surface. In here everything gets the equal space and that's just how it's supposed to be.

So.... Let us not be eaten. Let's question every atom in this reality that doesn't resonate with the whole of each and everyone of us because if we truly are the co-creators of our reality, which I know we all are, why should not every atom and every frequency resonate with the whole of our beings?

I believe the only reason our world isn't what the majority want it to be is the very thing this thread has come to represent.

I happen to think about Adam and Eve in Eden, and the snake delivering messages that apparently Eve didn't quite understand, but thought she did and there you go. Once we start to give in to the temptations of someone else telling us what is and what isn't, we are lost.

You will probably say that it's up to everyone to make their own beliefs from the information you are giving and sure it is.. You will probably also say that you don't force anyone, and you don't... But this is also the case on the "outside", still things aren't what they are supposed to be. So, yes the ones to blame are us for not doing something about it, but if you truly want to help us why don't you just in a plain and easy way just do that. Why give us the opportunity to MISINTERPRET? Why give us the opportunity to not understand? Make the message plain and simple and easy to understand for everyone just like you did in this one and you will truly help us.

Over and out knowing that I make a difference.
Sollve

Yes, I agree with you generally here Sollve!

The Misinterpretation is part of the 'Game of Life'.
Like in a chess game, the 'opponent' might induce you to 'make a wrong move', then giving your 'oppenent' the advantage IN THE GAME.

In regards to the science, what do you think I am - some master teacher or educator who knows every 'students' weaknesses and strengths of what the student is able to understand at that stage of their 'learning' or not?

I am NOT a teacher for anyone. I feel compelled to share this data, accumulated over a lifetime (by the way it has cost me thousands to do so in photocopies etc before the webage and I never 'made' a single penny from all of this over 35 years or so, so in human terms I must be 'really mad'), because I am doing this for a 'Greater Good' or whatever you like to term it.

Actually, should I have not experienced the ET connections, I would have engaged in a teaching career - teaching high school (or college) maths and physics. But I wasn't 'allowed' to do that - so drats. I'm NOT anyones teacher or guru or leader.

Roger Over and Out

AA

So you can not use your legs....this must be...very unpleasant.

Things like this scare me. Not being able to walk, see, hear, talk, smell....


I have a Martian girlfriend? Great...i wonder when i get to meet her.
Still single at the moment....where did Sabina go...I need a tantra yoga partner

to be eaten or not to be eaten...

so..... I ll just let you "kids" to have your fun now...no scratching, no running, wash hands after you are done and be home by 8

[abraxasinas]

Originally Posted by Spregovori

So you can not use your legs....this must be...very unpleasant.

Things like this scare me. Not being able to walk, see, hear, talk, smell....


I have a Martian girlfriend? Great...i wonder when i get to meet her.
Still single at the moment....where did Sabina go...I need a tantra yoga partner

to be eaten or not to be eaten...

so..... I ll just let you "kids" to have your fun now...no scratching, no running, wash hands after you are done and be home by 8

Sabina works at the 'Night of the Museum'.
And you know what happens in there at night don't you.
She does and knows the games played by the inhabitants of the museum.

AA

Marsina is already in your dreams.

[SABINA]

Originally Posted by Spregovori

So you can not use your legs....this must be...very unpleasant.

Things like this scare me. Not being able to walk, see, hear, talk, smell....


I have a Martian girlfriend? Great...i wonder when i get to meet her.
Still single at the moment....where did Sabina go...I need a tantra yoga partner

to be eaten or not to be eaten...

so..... I ll just let you "kids" to have your fun now...no scratching, no running, wash hands after you are done and be home by 8

You are still young you will find your partner before you got eaten I am sure
about that. Did you gogle Kamasutra??
by the way got scared about all that talk about Nazi Iam german
Irony of the Karma. sabina

Originally Posted by SABINA

You are still young you will find your partner before you got eaten I am sure
about that. Did you gogle Kamasutra??
by the way got scared about all that talk about Nazi Iam german
Irony of the Karma. sabina

Hi Sabina

I can Google tantra or kamasutra and besides some XXX etc stuff nothing much comes out...well there are "workshops" that like to charge hilarious amounts etc...also I doubt though that anyone in my area is an "expert" in such things (perhaps it is time i become an expert..hehe...imagine that a..)


Breath in...feel your breath...feel it...going up....the rising....breath..now spread the....energy...and let it fill you inside...the energy....cumming...all over you...than just breath out and relax

this completes our session for today

What I would prefer is some pristine information about this not something that was "modernized"

scared of the past? the Reich was also down here...they were not alone, Mussolini also had an appetite...people died, "territory" was lost...grandma told me some stories about how it was...2 of my uncles were forcibly drafted and froze somewhere in Russia (not official though)...it was not pleasant ... but that is the past...don't let it hunt you....do not let older generations to pass-on the problems (like here when the cave with the bodies of people killed after the war was "discovered"...and they started worming up the hate again...etc) amm I am getting too off topic now...

[Sollve]

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Yes, I agree with you generally here Sollve!

The Misinterpretation is part of the 'Game of Life'.
Like in a chess game, the 'opponent' might induce you to 'make a wrong move', then giving your 'oppenent' the advantage IN THE GAME.

In regards to the science, what do you think I am - some master teacher or educator who knows every 'students' weaknesses and strengths of what the student is able to understand at that stage of their 'learning' or not?

I am NOT a teacher for anyone. I feel compelled to share this data, accumulated over a lifetime (by the way it has cost me thousands to do so in photocopis etc before the webage and I never 'made' a single penny from all of this over 35 years or so, so in human terms I must be 'really mad'), because I am doing this for a 'Greater Good' or whatever you like to term it.

Actually, should I have not experienced the ET connections, I would have engaged in a teaching career - teaching high school (or college) maths and physics. But I wasn't 'allowed' to do that - so drats. I'm NOT anyones teacher or guru or leader.

Roger Over and Out

AA

AA,

You say that you are so compelled to share this data. Why are you so compelled? How do you feel when you are sharing? Do you feel love? Do you feel hightened (in the meaning: standing above the rest), or something else?

If you for example feel that it is Love that drives your compassion in sharing your data. Where do you feel this love is flowing? Towards those who are at the recipient end or those who are at the messenger end. If you feel nothing or equal love towards both, then how do I know the message is for me?

You talk alot about polarization and I don't think I understand what you mean by this. Do you believe that you need to divide us or unite us? Regardless of which, why is it necessary for you to do either?

I'm totally all in for uniting everyone because I do feel intensly that we are all the same at the core of our beings. Some of us are lost, some are not but if we know that we find more or less of ourselves represented in everyone I find it most interesting to reach and connect. I have an infinite compassion and drive towards understanding and love, and because I have that drive I know that everyone has got it, more or less. That's why I never give up.

I need you to make me understand how polarization can be the answer when I'm so certain unity is, and ofcourse none can exist without the other, but why try to maximise the polarisation, it will always be percieved to be at maximum anyway but in this NOW we know how it is and therefor how the maximum polarization is manifested. If we in every NOW try to minimize the polarization from the NOW we percieved as before, even if the next NOW feels like it is at maximum wouldn't this still be the prefered way of doing things? In my world and reality it is. Why not in your's?

Wow! I'm applauding you stamina! It only takes me a couple of replies to get totally exhausted and you seem to be able to carry on through out the whole day. Awesome!

Thanks for your time and understanding my lack of understanding.

Your friend in unity,
Sollve