Billy Meier discussion cont.

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

You were talking about really bad stuff, like attempt of murder and Billy Meier being singled out among other contactees to be especially "handled". Skeptics and disbelievers don't qualify as a campaign against him.

Again, I ask you, what persecution has he suffered?

You've just answered your own query with the sentences above the question. Again, I repeat myself. There have been people literally out to kill Meier, if you ask why this has been unsuccessful, again, the answer is I don't know. If you ask me why anyone would want him dead anyway, again, I just don't know. That's about the bulk of what I can tell you.

I notice you've evaded the NWO point we were discussing earlier. In fact, I found a thread on ATS that will explain much better than myself, and it turns out I know the guy as well, though completely independent of each other, we seem to be saying the same thing about NWO around the same time, amazingly without any correspondence on the matter:

New World Order : There Is No Such Thing, Architect's of Lies, They Created A Phantom Menace

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Majorion

I notice you've evaded the NWO point we were discussing earlier. In fact, I found a thread on ATS that will explain much better than myself, and it turns out I know the guy as well, though completely independent of each other, we seem to be saying the same thing about NWO around the same time, amazingly without any correspondence on the matter:

The NWO is a term used to designate secret societies, illuminati and secret agencies working towards a global government led by an one world leader. Nobody evaded anything, it was answered many times over and not by myself only, but by others as well.

Again, tell us what kind of "persecution" Billy Meier has suffered? He is nothing but a con artist, possibly connected with Nazis or Nazi sympathizers and trying to create a religion around himself as some kind of "Jesus of the new age".

You have been excessively defensive on this matter without giving any substantial evidence. By symbols hidden in plain sight in movies and music alone you can tell that such secret societies are real and they are mocking us at every turn. What is in it for you for trying to hide them?

[Majorion]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

Again, tell us what kind of "persecution" Billy Meier has suffered? He is nothing but a con artist, possibly connected with Nazis or Nazi sympathizers and trying to create a religion around himself as some kind of "Jesus of the new age".

Well I'm sure with that outlook your mind is already made up well in advance. So why repeatedly ask me a question when clearly you already have a strong conviction on the matter. Doesn't look like it makes a difference either way, even though I've answered your question.

Fact is, when you state Meier is a NAZI or pro NAZI sympathizer, its only your speculative theory, and just an opinion.

You have been excessively defensive on this matter without giving any substantial evidence. By symbols hidden in plain sight in movies and music alone you can tell that such secret societies are real and they are mocking us at every turn. What is in it for you for trying to hide them?

I have not once denied that secret societies are real, in fact, I repeatedly mentioned the masons, the illuminati, the zionist movement, bohemian grove, skull and bones, etc.

How are you equating this - in any way shape or form - to me supposedly "trying to hide them"? - if anything I have exposed them.

[nameless]

uhoh;

without meaning to be facitious

with the instigation of Nazis into a topic does this mean i can insinuate, does it count?;

"Godwin's Law"

this thread is now doomed!

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Majorion

Well I'm sure with that outlook your mind is already made up well in advance. So why repeatedly ask me a question when clearly you already have a strong conviction on the matter. Doesn't look like it makes a difference either way, even though I've answered your question.

Just answer the question. You have been suggesting things and not giving any clarification about them. I ask, once again, be specific about "persecution" to Billy Meier. Be logical, be rational, be straightforward.

Is it difficult? Skeptics dissecting photos or his stories isn't persecution.

Originally Posted by Majorion

Fact is, when you state Meier is a NAZI or pro NAZI sympathizer, its only your speculative theory, and just an opinion.

I am basing myself on what I read about his case, on the internet and on the FIGU forums. For those who don't know, FIGU is the sect Billy created and the ones who keep the "official" version of his teachings.

There's a similarity between ideals of racial purity, world depopulation and some benevolent view of Nazis and many other things.

I don't have any evidence, but I am saying why I think what I think. Can you do the same?

Originally Posted by Majorion

How are you equating this - in any way shape or form - to me supposedly "trying to hide them"? - if anything I have exposed them.

I mean defending Billy Meier, not them.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by NeedForSpeed

The NWO is a term used to designate secret societies, illuminati and secret agencies working towards a global government led by an one world leader. Nobody evaded anything, it was answered many times over and not by myself only, but by others as well.

Again, tell us what kind of "persecution" Billy Meier has suffered? He is nothing but a con artist, possibly connected with Nazis or Nazi sympathizers and trying to create a religion around himself as some kind of "Jesus of the new age".

You have been excessively defensive on this matter without giving any substantial evidence. By symbols hidden in plain sight in movies and music alone you can tell that such secret societies are real and they are mocking us at every turn. What is in it for you for trying to hide them?

NeedForSpeed how dare you make Nazi allegations about someone you obviously know nothing about. Any more disrespectful words from you and you will not be welcome on this forum. Consider that a warning!

The fact that many of you are peddling filth on this sceptic thread instead of studying the real evidence here is the real question that needs answering.

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Luminari

NeedForSpeed how dare you make Nazi allegations about someone you obviously know nothing about. Any more disrespectful words from you and you will not be welcome on this forum. Consider that a warning!

The fact that many of you are peddling filth on this sceptic thread instead of studying the real evidence here is the real question that needs answering.

Why so defensive?

Others have cited already, Billy Meier supports world depopulation, and racial purity, and believe that Hitler was a genius twisted by dark forces, his teachings portray the jews as some kind of twisted group of people, Moses was in fact some vain person who sought personal fame by his version of things, he claims to be Jesus and Mohammed and others, etc.

Does the truth bother you? What did I say is incorrect?

Judging by how "mysterious" his aliens are, they are probably the invention of people who share some Nazi ideas, maybe Nazis themselves or just sympathizers.

Can you speak sense, or is it too much to ask?

[eleni]

Hmm.....in 1989 I got really into the Meier material......seduced by the material, read it all.......I had photos of his beamships on my living room walls!

As a truthseeker, I am willing to look at all the material and not just believe- there are very real questions that need to be looked at in the Meier case IMO.

What about Poppi admitting she posed with a raygun? The hair matched up quite nicely, then there are the pictures- how can one explain the nail falling off the ship? And that's not the only one.

My conclusion was Billy had some sort of initial contact- but it might be originating from a terrestrial source ( I mentioned Thule). There are just too many loopholes.

[Luminari]

NeedForSpeed:

I have read your debate with Majorion, here. I have been through this so many times before with other people on the internet I am not going to rebut your numerous flawed allegations line by line ad nauseum.

You are welcome to continue your discussion even though it appears you are deliberately re-inforcing the disinformation on this topic and misleading people, I will allow you the benefit of the doubt and you can do your skeptic thing for whatever agenda you are serving. However; please keep the discussion respectful to all involved.

Calling people a Nazi is not acceptable behaviour on this forum nor is any other name calling. Mr Meier has suffered at least 21 assassination attempts on his life and some have been from Neo-Nazi groups so your allegation is very bad taste.

A couple of brief points:

• You may be surprised to learn that keeping the population levels 'balanced' on planets inhabited by space faring civilizations is actually a common practice (one nearby example would be the planets in the trinary Centaurus system) and does not have any sinister connotations. There is a world of difference between expounding this philosophy to Earthlings and actually going out and killing people en masse to reduce the population here which is not something advocated by FIGU, Meier or the Plejaren.
  
  
• It is well known that 'agencies' have planted false pictures in Meier's collection to discredit him and stolen key photos and metal and samples. Another thing that significantly damaged his reputation was the fact that Meier constructed some models of some of the UFO's in order to show the difference between his real photos of Beamships and fake ones involving models etc, this led to some less informed people believing that the models were responsible for ALL such photos which is an inaccuracy.

To leave this discussion on a more positive note;
the spirituality of the Plejaren has seven basic principles:

Oneness
Eternal Spiritual Evolution
Self-Responsibility
Love
Balance
Truth
Equality

They live in a utopian society where peace has reigned for 50,000 years, enjoy a lifespan of 700-1200 years of perfect health and enjoy infinite possibilities for personal growth. There is no poverty, starvation, disease, ecological abuse or war and almost no crime or divorce. They have evolved beyond chronic negative thinking and can communicate telepathically with friends and loved ones wherever they are in the universe. Their starships can travel anywhere and to any time period past present or future. they are motivated by unbounded love to guide less developed races of humans in the Milky Way galaxy to grow and evolve spiritually.

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Luminari

Calling people a Nazi is not acceptable behaviour on this forum nor is any other name calling. Mr Meier has suffered at least 21 assassination attempts on his life and some have been from Neo-Nazi groups so your allegation is very bad taste.

Where is the evidence for that? Anybody can claim they suffered 99 assassination attempts, so what?

Why were his wannabe assassins so incompetent? Don't you see this makes no sense?

Originally Posted by Luminari

A couple of brief points:

You may be surprised to learn that keeping the population levels 'balanced' on planets inhabited by space faring civilizations is actually a common practice (one nearby example would be the planets in the trinary Centaurus system) and does not have any sinister connotations. There is a world of difference between expounding this philosophy to Earthlings and actually going out and killing people en masse to reduce the population here which is not something advocated by FIGU, Meier or the Plejaren.

I don't know of any "space faring" civilizations. Do you? Could you please provide the evidence.

What I see, and this is factual, is Billy Meier promoting some similar ideals to other groups of evildoers on Earth.

Now the strawman argument. Who is going to admit publicly that they wish to exterminate most of mankind? Nobody will. It will be for "good intentions" of "ecological balance" or something else. And that's exactly what Billy Meier does.

There's always a good excuse for evildoing.

Originally Posted by Luminari

It is well known that 'agencies' have planted false pictures in Meier's collection to discredit him and stolen key photos and metal and samples. Another thing that significantly damaged his reputation was the fact that Meier constructed some models of some of the UFO's in order to show the difference between his real photos of Beamships and fake ones involving models etc, this led to some less informed people believing that the models were responsible for ALL such photos which is an inaccuracy.

And Billy Meier can't notice the different between his own photos and someone else's?

Originally Posted by Luminari

To leave this discussion on a more positive note;
the spirituality of the Plejaren has seven basic principles:

Oneness
Eternal Spiritual Evolution
Self-Responsibility
Love
Balance
Truth
Equality

They live in a utopian society where peace has reigned for 50,000 years, enjoy a lifespan of 700-1200 years of perfect health and enjoy infinite possibilities for personal growth. There is no poverty, starvation, disease, ecological abuse or war and almost no crime or divorce. They have evolved beyond chronic negative thinking and can communicate telepathically with friends and loved ones wherever they are in the universe. Their starships can travel anywhere and to any time period past present or future. they are motivated by unbounded love to guide less developed races of humans in the Milky Way galaxy to grow and evolve spiritually.

It sounds like a work of fiction to me, especially when there's nothing to back it up. Star Trek is just as real as this.

[Luminari]

NeedForSpeed:

I do not blindly believe this information (nor should you or anyone), I spent about 10 years studying all the available data. Which is what you would need to do to have all of your questions answered.

I am even quite suspicious of the Plejaren themselves, and their possible manipulation of Billy.

This does not does not detract from the fact that the case is real, which you will find if you penetrate these mysteries deeply and comprehensively.

As for the existence of space-faring civilizations, wow you are obviously very new to this whole field, please do some research before you speak about anything to do with this subject again.

Enjoy your time on Avalon, there is much here to answer a myriad of questions you may have, you only need to look and doorways to new perceptions will open up if your mind is ready.

*End of dialogue*

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Luminari

As for the existence of space-faring civilizations, wow you are obviously very new to this whole field, please do some research before you speak about anything to do with this subject again.

There's no such thing as "space faring" civilizations, and if there were they wouldn't be in contact with human barbarians. Why would they? They would probably be shot and dissected in a lab.

This self-centeredness is what debunks these UFO stories. You are not important. You are just a grain of sand in the universe. Why in the name of God would some advanced civilization want to have anything to do with primitive governments of primitive peoples who can't stop killing each other?

Think. It does not compute. Would you enter in the jungle and talk to a chimp and say: "Take me to your leader". You know why you wouldn't do it? The chimp would eat your face off (just like some chimp did with some poor woman recently) and it doesn't make any sense because it is a chimp and it can't understand what you mean!

Now about Billy Meier, the con artist. I studied Billy Meier, and as a matter of fact even participated for some time in the FIGU forum. Read all kinds of barbarities there and reached the conclusion that they are completely out of their minds. And I don't mean only unconventional worldview or simply eccentricity, when I say "out of their minds" I mean actually:

- When I questioned about NWO one of the members said that a "New World Order" was necessary because people are "out of control". So enslavement and control is justified in their view. And since the moderators there didn't chime in, nor anyboy else, I guess they are all ok with it;

- One of the members (that I saw, but it seems to be the common paradigm there) there was openly advocating racial purity claiming that mixing races "bring problems", just like the "Plejaren" taught them. Just look it up. They are Nazis, real former Nazis or just of the Neo kind;

- They are very defensive of the image of Hitler, again just look it up. They claim Hitler was a "genius";

And these are just some samples that can be easily found on their own forums. Just look it up.

The whole "Plejaren" contact is BS, pure BS created by some branch of the NWO or sympathizers.

[Carol]

I see that you are a new member here and a debunker. Billy Meier's contact experiences are legitimate. His photos legitimate. Those that attempted to discredit him did an excellent job but it still doesn't mean that Billy Meier's alien contact experiences didn't happen. He had over 130 contacts and what he has to share is still of value today.

Being new to the forum.. it is you who have to establish your own credibility first other then what you have stated in your post.

As this is my area of research for a number of years it is clear that there is still much to be discovered and much disinformation. However, my sources who are contactees are credible and so is their info.

[NeedForSpeed]

Originally Posted by Carol

I see that you are a new member here and a debunker. Billy Meier's contact experiences are legitimate. His photos legitimate. Those that attempted to discredit him did an excellent job but it still doesn't mean that Billy Meier's alien contact experiences didn't happen. He had over 130 contacts and what he has to share is still of value today.

Being new to the forum.. it is you who have to establish your own credibility first other then what you have stated in your post.

As this is my area of research for a number of years it is clear that there is still much to be discovered and much disinformation. However, my sources who are contactees are credible and so is their info.

Have you ever seen an alien yourself? I mean for real and not dreams.

[Carol]

I have had contact. Wide awake, fully conscious, full recall.

[Chamber]

Originally Posted by Carol

I have had contact. Wide awake, fully conscious, full recall.

Why?

[Carol]

Why what? Why was I contacted? Most likely because of an experiment in distance healing we were involved with and the other person involved was a contactee. The experience itself wasn't scary. If anything, I was intrigued and quite relaxed.

[Samarkis]

Hello all.........I absolutely love the info about Billy Meier's.........There is so much useful info for those that are willing to expand their view of reality and percieved history.........Many groups that have been heavily persecuted have access to some of it(i.e.-Essenes)

Now, Needforspeed, as Carol has noted, you are new to this community.
As moderator here, I will ask you to speak in respect and feel free to ask respectful questions......if not, you will be politely shown the "door".

We here at Avalon are a seasoned crowd with open minds & hearts.....pls
show us yr good side...........

In respect & light,
Samarkis

[nameless]

Cant we all just "get along"?