Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here)

01-16-2010, 10:20 AM

Hi Abraxasinas

How does one attempt to stop being divided?

By pursuing individuality?

Is it "simply" by stop being afraid, paranoid, rejecting, sublime, insolent....and to learn from each experience?

abraxasinas · 01-16-2010, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spregovori

Hi Abraxasinas

How does one attempt to stop being divided?

By pursuing individuality?

Is it "simply" by stop being afraid, paranoid, rejecting, sublime, insolent....and to learn from each experience?

Hi Spregovori!

You are using extremely generalised concepts here, which cannot be answered except in similar generalities.

1. Individuality is the Key to Separate a Unity.
2. Then a 'master-plan' to reattain Unity within the Separated Individualism can be constructed.
3. The elementary energy of the primordial Unity is Consciousness of Self, say emerging fom an Infinitum of SuperEnergy called Love.

4. Using the primordial energy form, a material universe is born from 'Superconsciousness'.
5. In the beginning (of space and time not the superconsciousness itself) the created material universe is mainly unconscious and then slowly EVOLVES in selfawareness.

6. YOU Spregovori ARE that created universe slowly 'wakening up' from unconsciousness to partial consciousness to source-remembering consciousness.

Abraxas

SABINA · 01-16-2010, 11:48 AM

Hi
Whwn i was reading uratia book Ihated this military structure now iknow why
have to read your definition about density in calmness not under time pressureall the best sabina

Malletzky · 01-16-2010, 12:22 PM

Hi Abrax, thanks for your reply. Basicly, I really started reading the Urantia book few years ago...but I only started...as I didn't found the concepts presented there being in tune with my own vibrational state at that time, nor I have the feeling I must go back and read the whole book.

As I read what you replied, it becomes obvious to me that actually, I did answered my questions with my hypothetical answers. To specify some things, I will use excerpts of your post and comment on them:

Quote:

And yet your idea of the 8D is appropriate if you do not associate it with the 'standard ideas' as portrayed in the above.

No, I don't really associate the multidimensional, and therefore the 8D, with any "standard ideas".

Quote:

The ascension of Gaia from 4D spacetime into 5D spacetime is an UNPRECEDENTED Cosmic Event, that will reconfigure the Entire Universe.

This is getting clearer and clearer to me now...there's something "special" going on and we're all a part of it. I guess, we should considere us being "lucky" (I know lucky is not the apropriate word for this) to be here and now!

Quote:

It is not some 'wishy-washy' concept where the ETs from 26D interact with the ETs from 25D and fight some 'Galactic Battle' over the 'Poor Gaians' stuck in 4D; the latter awaiting deliverence from this state of affairs from their ET-Friends in 15D.

Your 8D-9D nexus point is 'crucial' not as some 'place' from where the ETs are coming from; BUT as an intersection of the 4D spacetime with itself at the same locale.
This is more INTERDIMENSIONAL, than it is MULTIDIMENSIONAL.

The physics and mathematics of the matter shows you what can become physical 5D reality and what is fantasy and cannot manifest as such.

I've never considered the "creation", no matter how multi/interdimensional it is, to be a place where battles should be battled. I don't even consider there are any battles...except one, which is the battle to unify the one that is with the one that isn't. Like said in your beautifull Parabel...the moment the gardener realise he is the planter and visa versa, that's the moment of unification.

Quote:

So your 8D-9D nexus point is a nexus point of INFOLDMENT, a MIRROR between Translation-Rotation and Vibration.

And that point of INFOLDMENT...this is what I considered as "the Mistery".

So I guess, the things are getting clearer now...but still much to learn here.

thanks again
malletzky

bigmo · 01-16-2010, 02:48 PM

Abraxas,

Your posts continue to amaze me and thank you for your comments.

You state that the rising of Gaia from the 4th to the 5th dimensions is an event of universal proportions which is truly an exciting proposition and I tremble at the thought!

However, will all or most, humans recognize this transition or phase shift? (it would seem that they should even into the 3D)

Or is it that experiences of these transformations are reserved only for the select few of higher ‘esoteric’ conscious vibration. If that is the case then isn’t this just another ‘elitist’ ascension practice that only the ‘chosen few’ are ‘allowed’ to recognize or understand? (the world is full of stories such as these like the followers of Hailbop or the Jonestown believers)

Why would it be so difficult to find the ‘mirroring’ of these ‘manifestations’ that are to come into the 3D as is the creation?

Without 3D confirmations… (from where we experience most of our awareness and human impressions) what’s the point? (I think this is what Jesus faced with his disciples except for the fact that he rose from death to show that death had no hold on him)

These beautiful things that you speak of can seemingly be proven by mathematics? ( my heart wants you to be right but my mind… hmmm) Of the billions on this earth, how many can follow the mathematics? How can you prove that it is true, even to yourself if there is not 3D confirmation?

I hear a few on these forums talk about existing for billions of years or millions of lifetimes or coming from the 12th, 24th, or 50th dimensions or from wherever. (as far as I know they could all be delusional human beings in 3D, even though they claim they are
not… yeah right and I’m the Easter Bunny… who rides on roller skates around my spherical universe that only expands in proportion to the speed with which I accelerate my skates)

So can you point to definitive 3D experiences ‘most’ should recognize as these transformations begin to unfold and to manifest? And by what period of time will these events have occurred?

Peace

Magamud · 01-16-2010, 05:52 PM

Thanks for your work Sirebard Beardris. A true composition. The amount of space and time is incredible. In each, our own universe brought together by love. A mystery revealed and a new one begins...

The past and future are fluid, stories become stories but the source is still the same.

Amazing to think how much is created from this, growing against infinity, only to ebb and flow with love forever....

abraxasinas · 01-17-2010, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Magamud

Thanks for your work Sirebard Beardris. A true composition. The amount of space and time is incredible. In each, our own universe brought together by love. A mystery revealed and a new one begins...

The past and future are fluid, stories become stories but the source is still the same.

Amazing to think how much is created from this, growing against infinity, only to ebb and flow with love forever....

Dear Magamund!

You have spoken in the wisdom of one of the 24 ancient ones.
You have written in the authority of Thuban.

Love, being the self-energy eigenstate of the Primal Source is to only Rule!

Welcome Home, Your Logos is the master templar of Thuban.

Abraxas

abraxasinas · 01-17-2010, 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigmo

Abraxas,

Your posts continue to amaze me and thank you for your comments.

You state that the rising of Gaia from the 4th to the 5th dimensions is an event of universal proportions which is truly an exciting proposition and I tremble at the thought!

However, will all or most, humans recognize this transition or phase shift? (it would seem that they should even into the 3D)

Hi bigmo!
Thank you for your comments, which as deriving from an elder of the human family contain much wisdom and pertinence for the situations at hand and experienced both individually and collectively.

Your question relates to something you experience often, namely when you fall asleep and enter the dreaming state of the alpha modes.
There is a 'phaseshift' between being awake and say watching TV or reading a book and the 'cutting off' of one's waking consciousness.

Now imagine of NOT experiencing this 'cutting off' or phaseshift in consciousness as say a CONTINUUM of the waking consciousness with the subconsciousness.

This is what shall occur. The distinction between the waking consciousness and the subconsciousness shall become like a scale of frequencies you experience WITHOUT the 'phase transition' of say water freezing at 0 degrees Celsius or water boiling at 100 degrees Celsius.
The solid-liquid-gaseous-plasma forms of matter are like waking-sub-super-cosmic consciousnesses in forms of the soul, using the mind coupled to the materiality.

So 3D-life shall assume a dreamlike state superposed onto the now 'ordinary' environment state for ALL; yet only the Ones able to process the 'higher frequencies' associated with the 'breaking down of the wall between the waking selfstate and the dreamstate) will be able to interact with the 4D space reality.

The easist way to fathom this is to imagine yourself in your Lucid Dream State; when you know that you are dreaming; and then to REALISE this lucid dreamstate not as a dream but as your own say superphysical or metaphysical reality.

Technically, this engages the perpendicular accessibility of a 4th space dimension, added to the present 3 space dimensions. So the present reality will remain, albeit becoming supplementary in a WINDOW or Door into hitherto physical reality suppressed and accessible ONLY in the dreamstate.
Simply said; your dreams, 'good and bad' shall come true.

Or is it that experiences of these transformations are reserved only for the select few of higher ‘esoteric’ conscious vibration. If that is the case then isn’t this just another ‘elitist’ ascension practice that only the ‘chosen few’ are ‘allowed’ to recognize or understand? (the world is full of stories such as these like the followers of Hailbop or the Jonestown believers)

The experience is for all, doing away with all forms of elitism; does however depend on the self-responsibility to allow vibrational expansion or not.
This is what many understand as the individual preparation.
Noone is excluded and everyone is included - the ability to understand and to adapt will however differ.

Why would it be so difficult to find the ‘mirroring’ of these ‘manifestations’ that are to come into the 3D as is the creation?

Without 3D confirmations… (from where we experience most of our awareness and human impressions) what’s the point? (I think this is what Jesus faced with his disciples except for the fact that he rose from death to show that death had no hold on him)

Yes, you have discerned with great insight here. The answer is simple, but extremely hard to understand because of the 'conditionings'.
Here is the answer to be 'believed' or accepted or not.

Caveat: The following information is given by the authority of the Logos and constitutes the dispensation of January, 18th, 2010.
The profundity of this information will polarise the receivers of this data.
Having been given, this data cannot be ignored by any soul witnessing this information.
The individual will either assimilate or reject this data in the polarity distribution.

The Resurrected Body of Christ is NOT at some place in the universe, on some planet or in some orbiting spacecraft (say in the form of Sananda or St. Germain or Lord Melchizedek).
The Christbody is WITHIN AND WITHOUT YOU.

So the first and most crucial point of getting anywhere near the reality of the LOGOS is to 'accept' the PHYSICAL REALITY of the resurrection.
Jesus of Nazareth;
did not survive the crucifixion;
did not die of old age in France or India or Judea;
did not have children with Mary Magdalene;
did not use a substitute for himself in the passion;
was not a phantom being of the gnosis;
did not engage in a Morontia transit;
is NOT on equal consciousness 'footing' with 'ascended masters' like the Buddha, Zoroaster, Mohammed; St. Germain; the Babas; Ra, Thor, Odin, Zeus, Osiris, Apollo etc. etc. etc.

Then if the resurrection is 3D PHYSICAL fact; then how did the physics and the Laws of Nature accomodate such a fact?

The Laws of Nature indeed incorporate the 'Transformation of an atomic-molecular biochemical support structure', PROVIDED the consciousness harboured by this 'body' can utilize the 'Laws of Nature' to ACCELERATE the mass-equivalent energy of said body into a particular energy resonance self-state of the universe itself.

In quantum mechanical terms, the WaveFunction of the 'collapsed' - meaning 'Dead' Body(Particle)Function CANNOT GO ANYWHERE; IF this consciousness as particular quantum selfstate encompasses the scale of the universe itself.

The ChristBody so BECOMES the wavefunction of the physical universe in a dimensional superposition.
This means, that the 'Body of the Resurrection' in the previously occupied 3D space as a holofractal transforms into a 4D holofractal in a temporary Interaction with the 3D space previously shared as an individuated Particle/Body form (with the wavefunction collapsed within say).

This then is archetyped in the 'Lightbody Jesus', walking through closed doors, YET eating fish (ghosts or hallucinations don't eat fish as 4D plasma NOT built upon a preexisting 3D particle structure).

The 'ascension' of the ChristBody then becomes NECESSITY to allow the temporary 4D extraposition of space to become UBIQUITOUS for ALL to share. This then allows ALL to change from 3D 'bodies' into 4D bodies.
However the scientific implications are farreaching and profound.

The ONE Resurrection-Template becomes multiplied in the DESCENSION of the Universe's Geometric scale to the SubUniverse Geometric scale yet MIRRORED in the size of the Universe.
This Mirror Universe is known as the Gaia-Mother.
The DESCENT will ENCOMPASS GAIA as Itself.
So GAIA in 3D space will become BOUNDED by the ChristBody of 4D space for the purpose to render the Cosmic Christ of ONE Body as MANYBODIED.

This will manifest the WAVEFUNCTION of the Universe as QUANTUMIZED in the wavefunction of GAIA, renamed as being WITHIN the SERPENT of the CHRISTENING.
SERPENTINA=IN A SERPENT=IN A SON OF MAN=IN A CIRCLE OF GOD=121.

In other words, Serpentina IS the Second Coming of the ONE in MANY.

End of transmission.

These beautiful things that you speak of can seemingly be proven by mathematics? ( my heart wants you to be right but my mind… hmmm) Of the billions on this earth, how many can follow the mathematics? How can you prove that it is true, even to yourself if there is not 3D confirmation?

Well, I can tell you that the 'science' CAN indeed be experimentally 'proven' in the energy of the wormhole parameters.
There are basically two important energy levels; the 'Consciousness threshold' in terms of the materialisation of the energy (E=mc^2=hf=kT and such stuff) and the actual wormhole energy.

The threshold will MANIFEST in the particle accelerators of the 3D physics at the 14.03 TeV level. By synchronicity, this is just the MAXIMUM operational energy level of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN, Geneva, Switzerland.

As you may know, 'they' are having all sorts of troubles using that energy and now the plans are to work towards half that energy in say colliding protons at say 4TeV each instead of the maximum designed 7 TeV each.

The actual 'God-Particle' is at 12,400 TeV and so a factor of a thousand times larger. Scientific machines to 'tap' the 'God-Love-Energy' have not yet been built, but can theoretically be built.
The most advanced alien technology CAN tap this energy without machines but in using the magnetic forms of the mass as magnetoelectric supercurrents.

'My' technicalities describe much of this in detail at: http://tonyb.freeyellow.com

I hear a few on these forums talk about existing for billions of years or millions of lifetimes or coming from the 12th, 24th, or 50th dimensions or from wherever. (as far as I know they could all be delusional human beings in 3D, even though they claim they are
not… yeah right and I’m the Easter Bunny… who rides on roller skates around my spherical universe that only expands in proportion to the speed with which I accelerate my skates)

I agree with many of your sentiments stated above and correlate this with my last post to Malletzky.

So can you point to definitive 3D experiences ‘most’ should recognize as these transformations begin to unfold and to manifest? And by what period of time will these events have occurred?

The 'Big Transformation' is a 'large scale' copy of what happened to the 'individual One' from a warped timeline from 8th December 24AD to 1st April 32AD.

April 1st, 32AD will 'holographically' image April 1st, 2012 and January 18th, 30AD will holographically image January 18th, 2010.

Belief or skepticism is not required; what is required for the individual is to allow and consider possibilities.

The timeline is now set and cannot be diverted in the encompassing sense.
The individual adaptations are entirely 'free will' and subject to individual attunements to the encompassing and everpresent LOGOS.

Peace

Thank you bigmo for triggering the release of this data.

An elder greets an elder!

Abraxas

abraxasinas · 01-17-2010, 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Malletzky

Hi Abrax, thanks for your reply. Basicly, I really started reading the Urantia book few years ago...but I only started...as I didn't found the concepts presented there being in tune with my own vibrational state at that time, nor I have the feeling I must go back and read the whole book.
I fully agree with your sentiments here Malletzky. As said it is a product of its wartime time.

As I read what you replied, it becomes obvious to me that actually, I did answered my questions with my hypothetical answers. To specify some things, I will use excerpts of your post and comment on them:

No, I don't really associate the multidimensional, and therefore the 8D, with any "standard ideas".

The 'Standard Ideas' are of course pioneering to other perspectives.

This is getting clearer and clearer to me now...there's something "special" going on and we're all a part of it. I guess, we should considere us being "lucky" (I know lucky is not the apropriate word for this) to be here and now!

Indeed; 'free willed', 'complementary' and 'completing a long journey of the soul' are also appropriate labels.

I've never considered the "creation", no matter how multi/interdimensional it is, to be a place where battles should be battled. I don't even consider there are any battles...except one, which is the battle to unify the one that is with the one that isn't. Like said in your beautifull Parabel...the moment the gardener realise he is the planter and visa versa, that's the moment of unification.

This is just the externilization of the 'inner battle'. As the saying goes: 'The Only enemy is within'. Make with with IT and the external pace shall follow.

And that point of INFOLDMENT...this is what I considered as "the Mistery".

So I guess, the things are getting clearer now...but still much to learn here.

Of course and anyone understanding the parable in its deeper context from its periphery cannot but understand the cosmogenesis and one's own relevance to it.

thanks again
malletzky

Thanking you for a thoughtful and intelligent discourse.

Love and Gnosis Abraxas

Malletzky · 01-17-2010, 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Thanking you for a thoughtful and intelligent discourse.

Love and Gnosis Abraxas

Thank YOU!

...I AM READY...AM I ? ...I AM !...

with
malletzky

Raven · 01-19-2010, 01:02 AM

Found this on page 23, refer to that post. I believe this is his message meant for the 18th... although it would be nice if abraxas verify this in a perhaps new thread. I think for some it got lost. Sincerely, Raven
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigmo
Abraxas,

Your posts continue to amaze me and thank you for your comments.

You state that the rising of Gaia from the 4th to the 5th dimensions is an event of universal proportions which is truly an exciting proposition and I tremble at the thought!

However, will all or most, humans recognize this transition or phase shift? (it would seem that they should even into the 3D)

Hi bigmo!
Thank you for your comments, which as deriving from an elder of the human family contain much wisdom and pertinence for the situations at hand and experienced both individually and collectively.

Your question relates to something you experience often, namely when you fall asleep and enter the dreaming state of the alpha modes.
There is a 'phaseshift' between being awake and say watching TV or reading a book and the 'cutting off' of one's waking consciousness.

Now imagine of NOT experiencing this 'cutting off' or phaseshift in consciousness as say a CONTINUUM of the waking consciousness with the subconsciousness.

This is what shall occur. The distinction between the waking consciousness and the subconsciousness shall become like a scale of frequencies you experience WITHOUT the 'phase transition' of say water freezing at 0 degrees Celsius or water boiling at 100 degrees Celsius.
The solid-liquid-gaseous-plasma forms of matter are like waking-sub-super-cosmic consciousnesses in forms of the soul, using the mind coupled to the materiality.

So 3D-life shall assume a dreamlike state superposed onto the now 'ordinary' environment state for ALL; yet only the Ones able to process the 'higher frequencies' associated with the 'breaking down of the wall between the waking selfstate and the dreamstate) will be able to interact with the 4D space reality.

The easist way to fathom this is to imagine yourself in your Lucid Dream State; when you know that you are dreaming; and then to REALISE this lucid dreamstate not as a dream but as your own say superphysical or metaphysical reality.

Technically, this engages the perpendicular accessibility of a 4th space dimension, added to the present 3 space dimensions. So the present reality will remain, albeit becoming supplementary in a WINDOW or Door into hitherto physical reality suppressed and accessible ONLY in the dreamstate.
Simply said; your dreams, 'good and bad' shall come true.

Or is it that experiences of these transformations are reserved only for the select few of higher ‘esoteric’ conscious vibration. If that is the case then isn’t this just another ‘elitist’ ascension practice that only the ‘chosen few’ are ‘allowed’ to recognize or understand? (the world is full of stories such as these like the followers of Hailbop or the Jonestown believers)

The experience is for all, doing away with all forms of elitism; does however depend on the self-responsibility to allow vibrational expansion or not.
This is what many understand as the individual preparation.
Noone is excluded and everyone is included - the ability to understand and to adapt will however differ.

Why would it be so difficult to find the ‘mirroring’ of these ‘manifestations’ that are to come into the 3D as is the creation?

Without 3D confirmations… (from where we experience most of our awareness and human impressions) what’s the point? (I think this is what Jesus faced with his disciples except for the fact that he rose from death to show that death had no hold on him)

Yes, you have discerned with great insight here. The answer is simple, but extremely hard to understand because of the 'conditionings'.
Here is the answer to be 'believed' or accepted or not.

Caveat: The following information is given by the authority of the Logos and constitutes the dispensation of January, 18th, 2010.
The profundity of this information will polarise the receivers of this data.
Having been given, this data cannot be ignored by any soul witnessing this information.
The individual will either assimilate or reject this data in the polarity distribution.

The Resurrected Body of Christ is NOT at some place in the universe, on some planet or in some orbiting spacecraft (say in the form of Sananda or St. Germain or Lord Melchizedek).
The Christbody is WITHIN AND WITHOUT YOU.

So the first and most crucial point of getting anywhere near the reality of the LOGOS is to 'accept' the PHYSICAL REALITY of the resurrection.
Jesus of Nazareth;
did not survive the crucifixion;
did not die of old age in France or India or Judea;
did not have children with Mary Magdalene;
did not use a substitute for himself in the passion;
was not a phantom being of the gnosis;
did not engage in a Morontia transit;
is NOT on equal consciousness 'footing' with 'ascended masters' like the Buddha, Zoroaster, Mohammed; St. Germain; the Babas; Ra, Thor, Odin, Zeus, Osiris, Apollo etc. etc. etc.

Then if the resurrection is 3D PHYSICAL fact; then how did the physics and the Laws of Nature accomodate such a fact?

The Laws of Nature indeed incorporate the 'Transformation of an atomic-molecular biochemical support structure', PROVIDED the consciousness harboured by this 'body' can utilize the 'Laws of Nature' to ACCELERATE the mass-equivalent energy of said body into a particular energy resonance self-state of the universe itself.

In quantum mechanical terms, the WaveFunction of the 'collapsed' - meaning 'Dead' Body(Particle)Function CANNOT GO ANYWHERE; IF this consciousness as particular quantum selfstate encompasses the scale of the universe itself.

The ChristBody so BECOMES the wavefunction of the physical universe in a dimensional superposition.
This means, that the 'Body of the Resurrection' in the previously occupied 3D space as a holofractal transforms into a 4D holofractal in a temporary Interaction with the 3D space previously shared as an individuated Particle/Body form (with the wavefunction collapsed within say).

This then is archetyped in the 'Lightbody Jesus', walking through closed doors, YET eating fish (ghosts or hallucinations don't eat fish as 4D plasma NOT built upon a preexisting 3D particle structure).

The 'ascension' of the ChristBody then becomes NECESSITY to allow the temporary 4D extraposition of space to become UBIQUITOUS for ALL to share. This then allows ALL to change from 3D 'bodies' into 4D bodies.
However the scientific implications are farreaching and profound.

The ONE Resurrection-Template becomes multiplied in the DESCENSION of the Universe's Geometric scale to the SubUniverse Geometric scale yet MIRRORED in the size of the Universe.
This Mirror Universe is known as the Gaia-Mother.
The DESCENT will ENCOMPASS GAIA as Itself.
So GAIA in 3D space will become BOUNDED by the ChristBody of 4D space for the purpose to render the Cosmic Christ of ONE Body as MANYBODIED.

This will manifest the WAVEFUNCTION of the Universe as QUANTUMIZED in the wavefunction of GAIA, renamed as being WITHIN the SERPENT of the CHRISTENING.
SERPENTINA=IN A SERPENT=IN A SON OF MAN=IN A CIRCLE OF GOD=121.

In other words, Serpentina IS the Second Coming of the ONE in MANY.

End of transmission.

These beautiful things that you speak of can seemingly be proven by mathematics? ( my heart wants you to be right but my mind… hmmm) Of the billions on this earth, how many can follow the mathematics? How can you prove that it is true, even to yourself if there is not 3D confirmation?

Well, I can tell you that the 'science' CAN indeed be experimentally 'proven' in the energy of the wormhole parameters.
There are basically two important energy levels; the 'Consciousness threshold' in terms of the materialisation of the energy (E=mc^2=hf=kT and such stuff) and the actual wormhole energy.

The threshold will MANIFEST in the particle accelerators of the 3D physics at the 14.03 TeV level. By synchronicity, this is just the MAXIMUM operational energy level of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN, Geneva, Switzerland.

As you may know, 'they' are having all sorts of troubles using that energy and now the plans are to work towards half that energy in say colliding protons at say 4TeV each instead of the maximum designed 7 TeV each.

The actual 'God-Particle' is at 12,400 TeV and so a factor of a thousand times larger. Scientific machines to 'tap' the 'God-Love-Energy' have not yet been built, but can theoretically be built.
The most advanced alien technology CAN tap this energy without machines but in using the magnetic forms of the mass as magnetoelectric supercurrents.

'My' technicalities describe much of this in detail at: http://tonyb.freeyellow.com

I hear a few on these forums talk about existing for billions of years or millions of lifetimes or coming from the 12th, 24th, or 50th dimensions or from wherever. (as far as I know they could all be delusional human beings in 3D, even though they claim they are
not… yeah right and I’m the Easter Bunny… who rides on roller skates around my spherical universe that only expands in proportion to the speed with which I accelerate my skates)

I agree with many of your sentiments stated above and correlate this with my last post to Malletzky.

So can you point to definitive 3D experiences ‘most’ should recognize as these transformations begin to unfold and to manifest? And by what period of time will these events have occurred?

The 'Big Transformation' is a 'large scale' copy of what happened to the 'individual One' from a warped timeline from 8th December 24AD to 1st April 32AD.

April 1st, 32AD will 'holographically' image April 1st, 2012 and January 18th, 30AD will holographically image January 18th, 2010.

Belief or skepticism is not required; what is required for the individual is to allow and consider possibilities.

The timeline is now set and cannot be diverted in the encompassing sense.
The individual adaptations are entirely 'free will' and subject to individual attunements to the encompassing and everpresent LOGOS.

Peace

Thank you bigmo for triggering the release of this data.

An elder greets an elder!

Abraxas

Seafury · 01-19-2010, 02:31 AM

Well now that we've reached the starting point of the 18th I would like to ask the OP to clarify his stance on the model of our Time Matrix or Universe please.

The OP states 12 dimensions.

MCEO states 15 dimensions and 5 Harmonic universes also known as densities dividing those 15 into sets of 3.

George Kavassilas states no physical form above the 7th dimension, I think his upper limit is 9 dimensions with Dracos creating "false" dimensions within the 4th to fool people into thinking there are more than there are.

The Law of One series quotes RA as stating there are 8 densities like an octave.

Laura Knight-Jadcyk states 7 densities as per the Cassiopeans. Where densities could be visualized as vertical and the 7th is union with the One and dimensions could be seen as horizontal and limitless within each density.

The correct structure of our Universe would appear to be a hotly contested subject with each of the above claims coming from sources who claim to know first-hand.

There are so many different ideas about it and our universe appears to be so malleable that I'm starting to think that whichever one I decide on will be the one I'm stuck with.

Comments from the OP?

Anchor · 01-19-2010, 03:14 AM

Fellow fragment Seafury:

I'm not the OP but I have an opinion to share. What do you know? That is what matters to you. All these opinions presented here from individuals or commonly referenced consensus views are filtered (necessarily) through layers of distortion.

Its been interesting to watch this thread unfurl. What I see are opinions and expression of facts - many of which my limited mind cannot comprehend.

There is no proof and never will be.

If I said -

"Mate, I've been studying this for years. I invented a long-levity/polymorphing technique back in the 1400's and have studied ever since under masters all round the globe. I am basically the wisest most knowledgable persona on the planet. I have hundreds of advanced degrees in all the scientific discipline - I am an epic polymath - I mentored all the big name scientists recently - you didnt hear of me because - well I am compassionate and forced myself to keep it low key all this time for fear of you shrivelling up in the presence of my huge and overpowering ego and from the sheer force of my amazing intellect - basically I am infallible, I am never wrong, I have a huge following people who all know the truth and will back me up on this - the answer is that there are precisely 42 dimensions each with an energetic layering known to you as denisities vibrating across different dimensions that are arranged in octaves defined by quantum boundaries." [1]

Are you then going to say - ah - thanks Mr Anchor, that wraps that up then.

I freaking hope not!

There is no proof. There never will be. It doesn't matter if God himself appeared on this forum and told you stuff, while you are in this body and behind the veil of forgetfulness - you are going to be tasked the same as each of us - to sort the wheat from the chaff. There is no 100% accurate source of information that can be communicated to you that resides outside you.

In my opinion the core message of Abraxasinas - whether he be a jolly good story teller or a real master dragon (whatever that is) known as Sirebard Beardris [ Abraxas - I mean no disrespect here ] is to test everything against your internal database.

All we can do is to read and understand the information and perspectives presented and decide for ourselves. The on going process of discussing these views may result in some consensus - but it still isn't proof it can still be wrong. It may not even get you closer to the truth.

You are on your own - there is no truth for you, until you decide it is true

A..

[1] this is made up

abraxasinas · 01-19-2010, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

Fellow fragment Seafury:

I'm not the OP but I have an opinion to share. What do you know? That is what matters to you. All these opinions presented here from individuals or commonly referenced consensus views are filtered (necessarily) through layers of distortion.

Its been interesting to watch this thread unfurl. What I see are opinions and expression of facts - many of which my limited mind cannot comprehend.

There is no proof and never will be.

If I said -

"Mate, I've been studying this for years. I invented a long-levity/polymorphing technique back in the 1400's and have studied ever since under masters all round the globe. I am basically the wisest most knowledgable persona on the planet. I have hundreds of advanced degrees in all the scientific discipline - I am an epic polymath - I mentored all the big name scientists recently - you didnt hear of me because - well I am compassionate and forced myself to keep it low key all this time for fear of you shrivelling up in the presence of my huge and overpowering ego and from the sheer force of my amazing intellect - basically I am infallible, I am never wrong, I have a huge following people who all know the truth and will back me up on this - the answer is that there are precisely 42 dimensions each with an energetic layering known to you as denisities vibrating across different dimensions that are arranged in octaves defined by quantum boundaries." [1]

Are you then going to say - ah - thanks Mr Anchor, that wraps that up then.

I freaking hope not!

There is no proof. There never will be. It doesn't matter if God himself appeared on this forum and told you stuff, while you are in this body and behind the veil of forgetfulness - you are going to be tasked the same as each of us - to sort the wheat from the chaff. There is no 100% accurate source of information that can be communicated to you that resides outside you.

In my opinion the core message of Abraxasinas - whether he be a jolly good story teller or a real master dragon (whatever that is) known as Sirebard Beardris [ Abraxas - I mean no disrespect here ] is to test everything against your internal database.

All we can do is to read and understand the information and perspectives presented and decide for ourselves. The on going process of discussing these views may result in some consensus - but it still isn't proof it can still be wrong. It may not even get you closer to the truth.

You are on your own - there is no truth for you, until you decide it is true

A..

[1] this is made up

Indeed Anchor's statement is repeated with added comment {,,,}.

"In my opinion the core message of Abraxasinas - whether he be a jolly good story teller or a real master dragon (whatever that is) known as Sirebard Beardris [ Abraxas - I mean no disrespect here ]"

is to test {OR COMPARE and possibly EXTEND} everything against your internal database.

AA

abraxasinas · 01-19-2010, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Seafury

Well now that we've reached the starting point of the 18th I would like to ask the OP to clarify his stance on the model of our Time Matrix or Universe please.

The OP states 12 dimensions.

Hi Seafury!

Post #541 describes the dimensional matrix of Thuban in great detail.

MCEO states 15 dimensions and 5 Harmonic universes also known as densities dividing those 15 into sets of 3.

This is not supported in the Thuban matrix as an elementary cosmological foundation in dimensional/density terms.

George Kavassilas states no physical form above the 7th dimension, I think his upper limit is 9 dimensions with Dracos creating "false" dimensions within the 4th to fool people into thinking there are more than there are.

This is supported rather poignantly by Thuban, the 15D of the MCEO/Urantia being such a 'false' or substructured 'dimension'.

The Law of One series quotes RA as stating there are 8 densities like an octave.

Again supported by Thuban, see #541.

Laura Knight-Jadcyk states 7 densities as per the Cassiopeans. Where densities could be visualized as vertical and the 7th is union with the One and dimensions could be seen as horizontal and limitless within each density.

The Cassiopean material, relative to the Thuban assessment is a collected potpourri of many other data sources and as such not foundational as a valid parallel or expanding cosmogony. The statement as given above is however supported by the Thuban data.

The correct structure of our Universe would appear to be a hotly contested subject with each of the above claims coming from sources who claim to know first-hand.

Indeed, the 'Laws of Order and Confusion' {Principle 3 in the Thuban annals} apply for individual discernment.
You can adhere to any of the above as you wish, extend any of the avove or create your own cosmology.

There are so many different ideas about it and our universe appears to be so malleable that I'm starting to think that whichever one I decide on will be the one I'm stuck with.

This is correct. Until you decide to become unstuck again in extending your perceptions and ideas in having say, obtained better and more information appropriate to your understandings.

Comments from the OP?

AA

Jacqui D · 01-16-2010, 07:41 PM

Thank you Abrax for explaining those things for me.
We are all one yes, higher/ lower i have always said there are many worlds within worlds and we walk these worlds as higher levels or lower ones. This makes sense.
And we are all mirror images /parallels.
Some say they have almost met with their other self i have not experienced this can i ask what would happen if this occurred or is this impossible.Am i confusing this with a doppleganger and what is a doppleganger anyway.

Memories are coming back to me and through regression i have seen who i was / am which was very humbling when you re- connect it is the most wonderful thing to experience.

777 The Great Work · 01-16-2010, 07:55 PM

Everything is perfect

M1 *
Adamui
Commander Adam
Abraxas
Inspector General

abraxasinas · 01-17-2010, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

Everything is perfect

M1 *
Adamui
Commander Adam
Abraxas
Inspector General

Hi 777!

I am impressed by your familiarity with the master-templar's handbook!

Abraxas

hippihillbobbi · 01-16-2010, 08:30 PM

Abraxas --

thanks for your answers to my previous questions, but--at the risk of pestering you--i would like to ask if you would focus on the part of my 1st question (i haven't figured out how to cut & paste it onto this message...duh!) which has to do with the relative awareness of those 3-d entities NOT ascending. will there be fear, sadness, joy, jealously or simply Unawareness on the part of these who are doing something else besides ascending, re: this ascension of those they may even know or be close-to? i think perhaps this is something Bigmo is also asking about in a post above.

2) Abraxas ..... i am having a good bit of difficulty understanding how only 144,000 human entities (approx. 1 out of 50,000 per 7.2 billion earth-inhabitants) will be evolved enough to ascend at this coming major transition. this just seems like such a low number to me ..... even just considering the people i know myself. since it's been stated numerous times (in LoO at least) that if one is even "51%" oriented toward service-to-others, one is "capable of" ascension ........ does this not render the "144,000" a rather pessimistic prognostication? is this number symbolic perhaps (though i haven't gotten that impression from you)? i DO realize that everyone not ascending will progress appropriately through other experiences and that "all will be well" for each of us "shards," no matter the particular outcome for any one of us during this dramatic shift ....... but these calculations/predictions of how many will be able to ascend "soon" somehow just don't resonate with me. Please Help!

fondly,
hippihill

abraxasinas · 01-17-2010, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by hippihillbobbi

Abraxas --

thanks for your answers to my previous questions, but--at the risk of pestering you--i would like to ask if you would focus on the part of my 1st question (i haven't figured out how to cut & paste it onto this message...duh!) which has to do with the relative awareness of those 3-d entities NOT ascending. will there be fear, sadness, joy, jealously or simply Unawareness on the part of these who are doing something else besides ascending, re: this ascension of those they may even know or be close-to? i think perhaps this is something Bigmo is also asking about in a post above.

Hi hippihillibobbi!

To intersperse, simply write into the (quote)...(/quote) thread and say colour your words differently using the A-button.
Then, and this is important, simply sign the final post UNDERNEATH the second (/quote) before sending.

The so called ascension is really a descension - something 'coming down' to meet humanity.
So the contact of the old with the new will be a collective and a personal experience and encounter.
Some will fear, some will rejoice, some will accept and others will reject the new reality.
Noone is responsible in any form or manner how individuated 'free willed' data collectors for the Unity react.

2) Abraxas ..... i am having a good bit of difficulty understanding how only 144,000 human entities (approx. 1 out of 50,000 per 7.2 billion earth-inhabitants) will be evolved enough to ascend at this coming major transition. this just seems like such a low number to me ..... even just considering the people i know myself. since it's been stated numerous times (in LoO at least) that if one is even "51%" oriented toward service-to-others, one is "capable of" ascension ........ does this not render the "144,000" a rather pessimistic prognostication? is this number symbolic perhaps (though i haven't gotten that impression from you)? i DO realize that everyone not ascending will progress appropriately through other experiences and that "all will be well" for each of us "shards," no matter the particular outcome for any one of us during this dramatic shift ....... but these calculations/predictions of how many will be able to ascend "soon" somehow just don't resonate with me. Please Help!

The 1 in 50,000 is a 'core number', also counting the days from September 12th, 1975 to December 21st, 2012 as the 'building of the Holy Temple' in the 12,000 'furlongs' in Revelation.21.16.

Then in terms of calendrical day-night days this number is 'fixed'; but in terms of individual souls this number simply indicates the distribution of 12 starsigns in a circle.

So it is not a question of individual 'ascension status' of belonging or not belonging to the 12x12,000; as ALL belong to IT by nature of having a birthday somewhere in the zodiacal year.

This promulgated idea, that there are nonascending 'lukewarm' individuals who will be transported to another earthlike planet in 3D is grossly misunderstood.
The problem is the LINEAR and Literal explanation of an archetypical transformation.

The physical perception of what 3D space reality is will shift. It is like the 'spiritual reality' will no longer be able to be denied - BY ANYONE.
The reaction to this shift will so determine the 'ascension status'; not in some physical transportation or transposition, but in a 'change of the guard'.
You can imagine your own scenarios of what it will be like if a 4D space reality manifests PHYSICALLY in a 3D environment.

The many skeptics and ridiculers will be dumbfounded by this 'change in physical reality'.
Similarly, the 'supernaturality believers' will find that the 'expected changes' are not what they have 'believed' in their traditions.

The 144,000 are SOUL-Entities within YOU right now and like a perimeter of a circle about a 13th center - of the Cosmic Logos or Christ or Plumed Serpent or similar.

The 144,000 so CAN MIRROR into others IF YOU have SEALED YOURSELF in being able to 'Sing the Song of Moses and of the New Earth as Serpentina, the New Jerusalem, the Bride of the Christ in Many and the Wife of the Homecoming Father-God-Creator.
These are all labels to describe deeper 1st hand archetypes and symbols dating to the beginning of the universe.

So there are PRECISELY 144,000 'souls' BUT they are UNLIMITED to multiply as the ONE through YOU and anyone else, far more than the 144,000, if YOU are ABLE by SELFCHOOSING to ACT and FEEL and KNOW yourself as the Oneness of the center of the circle. There are 200 million 'alien' 'soul-aspects' complementing the 144,000 by the way.

YOU KNOW this in becoming ALL Starsigns as the 13th (Dinah of Jacob and Leah and Ophiuchus, the sepent tamer say) and THEN you will be able to 'Sing the Song of the Lamb' and Open the 'Book of Everlasting Life' Through and BY HIMHERSELF as the ONE in MANY.

This is the true meaning of the Eucharist.

777 seems to Understand the Source material, which is known as the Gospel of Thomas de Nag Hammadi. It was composed in interaction with the Cosmic Christ following the Resurrection and not before the latter.

fondly,
hippihill

Abraxas

abraxasinas · 01-17-2010, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacqui D

Thank you Abrax for explaining those things for me.
We are all one yes, higher/ lower i have always said there are many worlds within worlds and we walk these worlds as higher levels or lower ones. This makes sense.
And we are all mirror images /parallels.
Some say they have almost met with their other self i have not experienced this can i ask what would happen if this occurred or is this impossible.Am i confusing this with a doppleganger and what is a doppleganger anyway.

Memories are coming back to me and through regression i have seen who i was / am which was very humbling when you re- connect it is the most wonderful thing to experience.

Dear Jacqui!

You have as many Shadows as you allow to be.
The 1st hand archetype is the Khaibit say as the Number 9 in the Tree of Life or the Hebrew Kabbalah.

The 'Tree of Life' is found in the 'Garden of Eden', the Paradise WITHIN YOU. It is not some external place in some faraway galaxy or at the center of the earth.

Then 2nd hand and 3rd hand information attempts to manifest and rename this archetype.
From this the concept of the 'Mirror Self' and the 'Doppelgaenger' develops.
The 'Mirror-Self' is also the part of your Soul which DID NOT incarnate as Jacqui, but as your 'missing cosmic twinship' say.
If you would have been born a boy, Jack, then all your life you would be 'looking' for your missing bit(s).
There is also a real true Sister-Jacqui and a Brother-Jack by the Sex-Chromosome combinations: YX1; YX2; X0X1 and X0X2.
Your incarnational Jacqui is say X0X1 and say yourself as your own nonincarnate sister X0X2 might be inclined to be bisexual in her attraction to the feminine.
Iow your shadows and doppelgaengers harmonise the human sexuality in a quadruplicity of being Four in One.

Your returning memories are preparing you to accept your Family-Soul; this family being YOU independent from biological birthgivers, as the archetype of the original Cosmic LoveChild of God in the YX|XY mirror of AdamEve=Vitruvius of Leonardo da Vinci and other labellings.

Abraxas

Firstlook · 01-17-2010, 03:42 AM

Hello Abraxas,

How are you doing? Good I hope.

I wanted to ask you about a dream I had when I was around 4 or 5 years old. In this dream there was nothing. Meaning I felt myself in a vastness of empty space. The color of this vastness was black and all that i could see, hear, feel. was my own voice/consciousness. I remember waking up crying because for some reason i had the feeling that it was what death was. I ran to my father telling him i didnt want to die. lol.

What do you think an experience/dream like that represents?

Thank you

joey

Nebula9D · 01-17-2010, 06:33 AM

Peace unto you abraxasinas,

I haven't posted here in a while until this thread caught my attention. I'm familiar with alot of the concepts you have explained here in layman terms but without the scientific terminology/equations etc. and the Thubanese perspective. I find it quite interesting and I have a many questions to ask, so i'll begin with this:

1. As you spoke about the founders and also the elders and the council of 24, I immediately thought about the Etherians and the Anunnagi. Can you speak of the Etherians?

2. Do you have information regarding the Serafim. You made mention of cherubim earlier.

abraxasinas · 01-17-2010, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nebula9D

Peace unto you abraxasinas,

I haven't posted here in a while until this thread caught my attention. I'm familiar with alot of the concepts you have explained here in layman terms but without the scientific terminology/equations etc. and the Thubanese perspective. I find it quite interesting and I have a many questions to ask, so i'll begin with this:

1. As you spoke about the founders and also the elders and the council of 24, I immediately thought about the Etherians and the Anunnagi. Can you speak of the Etherians?

Hi Nebula9D!

The Etherians are like Humans of the Future. Their label for the New Earth is Eternia, rather similar to the Thuban label of Serpentina, is it not?

ETERNIA+SPN=SERPENTINA=121=72+49=97+24=SON OF MAN + 24

It is a label describing this archetype from an 'older' perspective than that of the Annunaki, as the latter label refers to Sumerian and Mesopotamian history.
The divergence and addendums and elaborations of the human creativity in regards to those labellings so has greatly increased in the human accessible database - the Akashia or the Collective Meme Complex or similar - wrt the Annunaki and the many stories and legends you can find about them on the web and books and films.

2. Do you have information regarding the Serafim. You made mention of cherubim earlier.

Seraphim and Cherubim are archetypical labels for 2nd and 3rd order generation for the Unity of the 1st order.
So the Seraphim is the elder emanation of the Creator-Energy and so 'closer' to 'God' than the younger emanation of the Cherubim.
But it is all just labeling of the emanation of the Creator-Energy manifesting the Material SpaceTime Universe from its Metaphysical Precursor.
In the cosmogony of Thuban; the 1st Order became the Oneness of the Creator expressed in the Two in One bifurcation.
This created templates for a later manifestation of dualities, yet unified in 1st order.
Spirit-Antispirit duality allowed Matter-Antimatter blueprints in a mirror function.
Suppression of the AntiSpirit (or AntiLight NOT Darkness) coupled with the suppression of antimatter to ALLOW GRAVITY to emerge and once gravity was 'blueprinted' a physical spacetime universe could become constructed from the energy reservoir of the Creator say.

Then the Creator's Unity became a Creator-Creation duality, akin the Chicken-Egg paradox.

This emergence of Gravity IS the LUCIFERIC FALL of the Nephilim and so describes the 1st order becoming 2nd order in the cosmogenesis.

The stories of the Annunaki and the Etherians etc. etc. all emerge later in the attempts of the 4th order Children of the Creator-Creation duality to remember themselves and their origins.

The 'Chief-Seraphim' so is associated with 2nd order Lucifer as BOTH White and Black or both Light and Dark 'falling' into 3rd order as the Cherubimic and Daemonic Archons, say as described in the 'Secret Book of John' of the Nag Hammadi Codex of gnostic lore.

One can also associate here the Metatron Seraphim as transforming into the four ArchAngels Michael-Fire; Gabriel-Air; Raphael-Water and Uriel-Earth as the 'fifth element' (of the Ether or the Chinese Metal or the Dodecahedron of Plato and so forth) and such,
None of those labelings and relabelings are 'wrong' but all are derivatives from older archetypes.

Abraxas

Nebula9D · 01-18-2010, 07:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abraxasinas

Seraphim and Cherubim are archetypical labels for 2nd and 3rd order generation for the Unity of the 1st order.
So the Seraphim is the elder emanation of the Creator-Energy and so 'closer' to 'God' than the younger emanation of the Cherubim.
But it is all just labeling of the emanation of the Creator-Energy manifesting the Material SpaceTime Universe from its Metaphysical Precursor.
In the cosmogony of Thuban; the 1st Order became the Oneness of the Creator expressed in the Two in One bifurcation.
This created templates for a later manifestation of dualities, yet unified in 1st order.
Spirit-Antispirit duality allowed Matter-Antimatter blueprints in a mirror function.
Suppression of the AntiSpirit (or AntiLight NOT Darkness) coupled with the suppression of antimatter to ALLOW GRAVITY to emerge and once gravity was 'blueprinted' a physical spacetime universe could become constructed from the energy reservoir of the Creator say.

Then the Creator's Unity became a Creator-Creation duality, akin the Chicken-Egg paradox.

This emergence of Gravity IS the LUCIFERIC FALL of the Nephilim and so describes the 1st order becoming 2nd order in the cosmogenesis.

The stories of the Annunaki and the Etherians etc. etc. all emerge later in the attempts of the 4th order Children of the Creator-Creation duality to remember themselves and their origins.

The 'Chief-Seraphim' so is associated with 2nd order Lucifer as BOTH White and Black or both Light and Dark 'falling' into 3rd order as the Cherubimic and Daemonic Archons, say as described in the 'Secret Book of John' of the Nag Hammadi Codex of gnostic lore.

One can also associate here the Metatron Seraphim as transforming into the four ArchAngels Michael-Fire; Gabriel-Air; Raphael-Water and Uriel-Earth as the 'fifth element' (of the Ether or the Chinese Metal or the Dodecahedron of Plato and so forth) and such,
None of those labelings and relabelings are 'wrong' but all are derivatives from older archetypes.

Abraxas

Thank you for the explanation Abrax. Sorry the board went down this morning when i was attempting to reply. Anywho Imho, I'm having a tuff time grasping the 1st, 2nd 3rd order concept and i think others are too. Maybe you could further simplyfy it alittle.

I do see alot of similarities except for the different names and nomencleture.
This is my comprehension from what i've read elsewhere:
Primary & Secondary creation was performed by Nine Ether energies/gases/beings. These Nine ether conscious and conscience gases personified by both sound and electric energy, both positive and negative. Electro being negative and Magnetic being positive. All that is appointed a supreme being to be the creator God. This supreme being could personify him/herself as an Etherian being, a being of pure light at will. So this supreme being/Creator energy created the Seraphim/positive, beings of the pure green light, ethereal and Cherubim, Sub-supreme beings of the impure, amber light. So the Arch-Angels are your Seraphim and your Lucifer/luciferians etc are your cherubim.

01-16-2010, 10:20 AM	#1
Spregovori Guest Posts: n/a	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hi Abraxasinas How does one attempt to stop being divided? By pursuing individuality? Is it "simply" by stop being afraid, paranoid, rejecting, sublime, insolent....and to learn from each experience?

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SABINA Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 31	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hi Whwn i was reading uratia book Ihated this military structure now iknow why have to read your definition about density in calmness not under time pressureall the best sabina

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Magamud Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 288	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Thanks for your work Sirebard Beardris. A true composition. The amount of space and time is incredible. In each, our own universe brought together by love. A mystery revealed and a new one begins... The past and future are fluid, stories become stories but the source is still the same. Amazing to think how much is created from this, growing against infinity, only to ebb and flow with love forever.... Last edited by Magamud; 01-16-2010 at 06:00 PM.

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Raven Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: The Void Posts: 49	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Found this on page 23, refer to that post. I believe this is his message meant for the 18th... although it would be nice if abraxas verify this in a perhaps new thread. I think for some it got lost. Sincerely, Raven Quote: Originally Posted by bigmo Abraxas, Your posts continue to amaze me and thank you for your comments. You state that the rising of Gaia from the 4th to the 5th dimensions is an event of universal proportions which is truly an exciting proposition and I tremble at the thought! However, will all or most, humans recognize this transition or phase shift? (it would seem that they should even into the 3D) Hi bigmo! Thank you for your comments, which as deriving from an elder of the human family contain much wisdom and pertinence for the situations at hand and experienced both individually and collectively. Your question relates to something you experience often, namely when you fall asleep and enter the dreaming state of the alpha modes. There is a 'phaseshift' between being awake and say watching TV or reading a book and the 'cutting off' of one's waking consciousness. Now imagine of NOT experiencing this 'cutting off' or phaseshift in consciousness as say a CONTINUUM of the waking consciousness with the subconsciousness. This is what shall occur. The distinction between the waking consciousness and the subconsciousness shall become like a scale of frequencies you experience WITHOUT the 'phase transition' of say water freezing at 0 degrees Celsius or water boiling at 100 degrees Celsius. The solid-liquid-gaseous-plasma forms of matter are like waking-sub-super-cosmic consciousnesses in forms of the soul, using the mind coupled to the materiality. So 3D-life shall assume a dreamlike state superposed onto the now 'ordinary' environment state for ALL; yet only the Ones able to process the 'higher frequencies' associated with the 'breaking down of the wall between the waking selfstate and the dreamstate) will be able to interact with the 4D space reality. The easist way to fathom this is to imagine yourself in your Lucid Dream State; when you know that you are dreaming; and then to REALISE this lucid dreamstate not as a dream but as your own say superphysical or metaphysical reality. Technically, this engages the perpendicular accessibility of a 4th space dimension, added to the present 3 space dimensions. So the present reality will remain, albeit becoming supplementary in a WINDOW or Door into hitherto physical reality suppressed and accessible ONLY in the dreamstate. Simply said; your dreams, 'good and bad' shall come true. Or is it that experiences of these transformations are reserved only for the select few of higher ‘esoteric’ conscious vibration. If that is the case then isn’t this just another ‘elitist’ ascension practice that only the ‘chosen few’ are ‘allowed’ to recognize or understand? (the world is full of stories such as these like the followers of Hailbop or the Jonestown believers) The experience is for all, doing away with all forms of elitism; does however depend on the self-responsibility to allow vibrational expansion or not. This is what many understand as the individual preparation. Noone is excluded and everyone is included - the ability to understand and to adapt will however differ. Why would it be so difficult to find the ‘mirroring’ of these ‘manifestations’ that are to come into the 3D as is the creation? Without 3D confirmations… (from where we experience most of our awareness and human impressions) what’s the point? (I think this is what Jesus faced with his disciples except for the fact that he rose from death to show that death had no hold on him) Yes, you have discerned with great insight here. The answer is simple, but extremely hard to understand because of the 'conditionings'. Here is the answer to be 'believed' or accepted or not. Caveat: The following information is given by the authority of the Logos and constitutes the dispensation of January, 18th, 2010. The profundity of this information will polarise the receivers of this data. Having been given, this data cannot be ignored by any soul witnessing this information. The individual will either assimilate or reject this data in the polarity distribution. The Resurrected Body of Christ is NOT at some place in the universe, on some planet or in some orbiting spacecraft (say in the form of Sananda or St. Germain or Lord Melchizedek). The Christbody is WITHIN AND WITHOUT YOU. So the first and most crucial point of getting anywhere near the reality of the LOGOS is to 'accept' the PHYSICAL REALITY of the resurrection. Jesus of Nazareth; did not survive the crucifixion; did not die of old age in France or India or Judea; did not have children with Mary Magdalene; did not use a substitute for himself in the passion; was not a phantom being of the gnosis; did not engage in a Morontia transit; is NOT on equal consciousness 'footing' with 'ascended masters' like the Buddha, Zoroaster, Mohammed; St. Germain; the Babas; Ra, Thor, Odin, Zeus, Osiris, Apollo etc. etc. etc. Then if the resurrection is 3D PHYSICAL fact; then how did the physics and the Laws of Nature accomodate such a fact? The Laws of Nature indeed incorporate the 'Transformation of an atomic-molecular biochemical support structure', PROVIDED the consciousness harboured by this 'body' can utilize the 'Laws of Nature' to ACCELERATE the mass-equivalent energy of said body into a particular energy resonance self-state of the universe itself. In quantum mechanical terms, the WaveFunction of the 'collapsed' - meaning 'Dead' Body(Particle)Function CANNOT GO ANYWHERE; IF this consciousness as particular quantum selfstate encompasses the scale of the universe itself. The ChristBody so BECOMES the wavefunction of the physical universe in a dimensional superposition. This means, that the 'Body of the Resurrection' in the previously occupied 3D space as a holofractal transforms into a 4D holofractal in a temporary Interaction with the 3D space previously shared as an individuated Particle/Body form (with the wavefunction collapsed within say). This then is archetyped in the 'Lightbody Jesus', walking through closed doors, YET eating fish (ghosts or hallucinations don't eat fish as 4D plasma NOT built upon a preexisting 3D particle structure). The 'ascension' of the ChristBody then becomes NECESSITY to allow the temporary 4D extraposition of space to become UBIQUITOUS for ALL to share. This then allows ALL to change from 3D 'bodies' into 4D bodies. However the scientific implications are farreaching and profound. The ONE Resurrection-Template becomes multiplied in the DESCENSION of the Universe's Geometric scale to the SubUniverse Geometric scale yet MIRRORED in the size of the Universe. This Mirror Universe is known as the Gaia-Mother. The DESCENT will ENCOMPASS GAIA as Itself. So GAIA in 3D space will become BOUNDED by the ChristBody of 4D space for the purpose to render the Cosmic Christ of ONE Body as MANYBODIED. This will manifest the WAVEFUNCTION of the Universe as QUANTUMIZED in the wavefunction of GAIA, renamed as being WITHIN the SERPENT of the CHRISTENING. SERPENTINA=IN A SERPENT=IN A SON OF MAN=IN A CIRCLE OF GOD=121. In other words, Serpentina IS the Second Coming of the ONE in MANY. End of transmission. These beautiful things that you speak of can seemingly be proven by mathematics? ( my heart wants you to be right but my mind… hmmm) Of the billions on this earth, how many can follow the mathematics? How can you prove that it is true, even to yourself if there is not 3D confirmation? Well, I can tell you that the 'science' CAN indeed be experimentally 'proven' in the energy of the wormhole parameters. There are basically two important energy levels; the 'Consciousness threshold' in terms of the materialisation of the energy (E=mc^2=hf=kT and such stuff) and the actual wormhole energy. The threshold will MANIFEST in the particle accelerators of the 3D physics at the 14.03 TeV level. By synchronicity, this is just the MAXIMUM operational energy level of the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) at CERN, Geneva, Switzerland. As you may know, 'they' are having all sorts of troubles using that energy and now the plans are to work towards half that energy in say colliding protons at say 4TeV each instead of the maximum designed 7 TeV each. The actual 'God-Particle' is at 12,400 TeV and so a factor of a thousand times larger. Scientific machines to 'tap' the 'God-Love-Energy' have not yet been built, but can theoretically be built. The most advanced alien technology CAN tap this energy without machines but in using the magnetic forms of the mass as magnetoelectric supercurrents. 'My' technicalities describe much of this in detail at: http://tonyb.freeyellow.com I hear a few on these forums talk about existing for billions of years or millions of lifetimes or coming from the 12th, 24th, or 50th dimensions or from wherever. (as far as I know they could all be delusional human beings in 3D, even though they claim they are not… yeah right and I’m the Easter Bunny… who rides on roller skates around my spherical universe that only expands in proportion to the speed with which I accelerate my skates) I agree with many of your sentiments stated above and correlate this with my last post to Malletzky. So can you point to definitive 3D experiences ‘most’ should recognize as these transformations begin to unfold and to manifest? And by what period of time will these events have occurred? The 'Big Transformation' is a 'large scale' copy of what happened to the 'individual One' from a warped timeline from 8th December 24AD to 1st April 32AD. April 1st, 32AD will 'holographically' image April 1st, 2012 and January 18th, 30AD will holographically image January 18th, 2010. Belief or skepticism is not required; what is required for the individual is to allow and consider possibilities. The timeline is now set and cannot be diverted in the encompassing sense. The individual adaptations are entirely 'free will' and subject to individual attunements to the encompassing and everpresent LOGOS. Peace Thank you bigmo for triggering the release of this data. An elder greets an elder! Abraxas

01-19-2010, 02:31 AM	#12
Seafury Avalon Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 85	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Well now that we've reached the starting point of the 18th I would like to ask the OP to clarify his stance on the model of our Time Matrix or Universe please. The OP states 12 dimensions. MCEO states 15 dimensions and 5 Harmonic universes also known as densities dividing those 15 into sets of 3. George Kavassilas states no physical form above the 7th dimension, I think his upper limit is 9 dimensions with Dracos creating "false" dimensions within the 4th to fool people into thinking there are more than there are. The Law of One series quotes RA as stating there are 8 densities like an octave. Laura Knight-Jadcyk states 7 densities as per the Cassiopeans. Where densities could be visualized as vertical and the 7th is union with the One and dimensions could be seen as horizontal and limitless within each density. The correct structure of our Universe would appear to be a hotly contested subject with each of the above claims coming from sources who claim to know first-hand. There are so many different ideas about it and our universe appears to be so malleable that I'm starting to think that whichever one I decide on will be the one I'm stuck with. Comments from the OP? Last edited by Seafury; 01-19-2010 at 02:35 AM.

01-16-2010, 02:48 PM	#5
bigmo Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Ohio Posts: 122	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Abraxas, Your posts continue to amaze me and thank you for your comments. You state that the rising of Gaia from the 4th to the 5th dimensions is an event of universal proportions which is truly an exciting proposition and I tremble at the thought! However, will all or most, humans recognize this transition or phase shift? (it would seem that they should even into the 3D) Or is it that experiences of these transformations are reserved only for the select few of higher ‘esoteric’ conscious vibration. If that is the case then isn’t this just another ‘elitist’ ascension practice that only the ‘chosen few’ are ‘allowed’ to recognize or understand? (the world is full of stories such as these like the followers of Hailbop or the Jonestown believers) Why would it be so difficult to find the ‘mirroring’ of these ‘manifestations’ that are to come into the 3D as is the creation? Without 3D confirmations… (from where we experience most of our awareness and human impressions) what’s the point? (I think this is what Jesus faced with his disciples except for the fact that he rose from death to show that death had no hold on him) These beautiful things that you speak of can seemingly be proven by mathematics? ( my heart wants you to be right but my mind… hmmm) Of the billions on this earth, how many can follow the mathematics? How can you prove that it is true, even to yourself if there is not 3D confirmation? I hear a few on these forums talk about existing for billions of years or millions of lifetimes or coming from the 12th, 24th, or 50th dimensions or from wherever. (as far as I know they could all be delusional human beings in 3D, even though they claim they are not… yeah right and I’m the Easter Bunny… who rides on roller skates around my spherical universe that only expands in proportion to the speed with which I accelerate my skates) So can you point to definitive 3D experiences ‘most’ should recognize as these transformations begin to unfold and to manifest? And by what period of time will these events have occurred? Peace

01-19-2010, 03:14 AM	#13
Anchor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sydney, NSW, Australia Posts: 2,280	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Fellow fragment Seafury: I'm not the OP but I have an opinion to share. What do you know? That is what matters to you. All these opinions presented here from individuals or commonly referenced consensus views are filtered (necessarily) through layers of distortion. Its been interesting to watch this thread unfurl. What I see are opinions and expression of facts - many of which my limited mind cannot comprehend. There is no proof and never will be. If I said - "Mate, I've been studying this for years. I invented a long-levity/polymorphing technique back in the 1400's and have studied ever since under masters all round the globe. I am basically the wisest most knowledgable persona on the planet. I have hundreds of advanced degrees in all the scientific discipline - I am an epic polymath - I mentored all the big name scientists recently - you didnt hear of me because - well I am compassionate and forced myself to keep it low key all this time for fear of you shrivelling up in the presence of my huge and overpowering ego and from the sheer force of my amazing intellect - basically I am infallible, I am never wrong, I have a huge following people who all know the truth and will back me up on this - the answer is that there are precisely 42 dimensions each with an energetic layering known to you as denisities vibrating across different dimensions that are arranged in octaves defined by quantum boundaries." [1] Are you then going to say - ah - thanks Mr Anchor, that wraps that up then. I freaking hope not! There is no proof. There never will be. It doesn't matter if God himself appeared on this forum and told you stuff, while you are in this body and behind the veil of forgetfulness - you are going to be tasked the same as each of us - to sort the wheat from the chaff. There is no 100% accurate source of information that can be communicated to you that resides outside you. In my opinion the core message of Abraxasinas - whether he be a jolly good story teller or a real master dragon (whatever that is) known as Sirebard Beardris [ Abraxas - I mean no disrespect here ] is to test everything against your internal database. All we can do is to read and understand the information and perspectives presented and decide for ourselves. The on going process of discussing these views may result in some consensus - but it still isn't proof it can still be wrong. It may not even get you closer to the truth. You are on your own - there is no truth for you, until you decide it is true A.. [1] this is made up Last edited by Anchor; 01-19-2010 at 04:54 AM.

01-16-2010, 07:41 PM	#16
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Thank you Abrax for explaining those things for me. We are all one yes, higher/ lower i have always said there are many worlds within worlds and we walk these worlds as higher levels or lower ones. This makes sense. And we are all mirror images /parallels. Some say they have almost met with their other self i have not experienced this can i ask what would happen if this occurred or is this impossible.Am i confusing this with a doppleganger and what is a doppleganger anyway. Memories are coming back to me and through regression i have seen who i was / am which was very humbling when you re- connect it is the most wonderful thing to experience. Last edited by Jacqui D; 01-16-2010 at 09:46 PM.

01-16-2010, 07:55 PM	#17
777 The Great Work Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: At the doors of perception Posts: 2,135	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Everything is perfect M1 * Adamui Commander Adam Abraxas Inspector General

01-16-2010, 08:30 PM	#19
hippihillbobbi Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Oak Ridge, Tennessee, USA Posts: 120	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Abraxas -- thanks for your answers to my previous questions, but--at the risk of pestering you--i would like to ask if you would focus on the part of my 1st question (i haven't figured out how to cut & paste it onto this message...duh!) which has to do with the relative awareness of those 3-d entities NOT ascending. will there be fear, sadness, joy, jealously or simply Unawareness on the part of these who are doing something else besides ascending, re: this ascension of those they may even know or be close-to? i think perhaps this is something Bigmo is also asking about in a post above. 2) Abraxas ..... i am having a good bit of difficulty understanding how only 144,000 human entities (approx. 1 out of 50,000 per 7.2 billion earth-inhabitants) will be evolved enough to ascend at this coming major transition. this just seems like such a low number to me ..... even just considering the people i know myself. since it's been stated numerous times (in LoO at least) that if one is even "51%" oriented toward service-to-others, one is "capable of" ascension ........ does this not render the "144,000" a rather pessimistic prognostication? is this number symbolic perhaps (though i haven't gotten that impression from you)? i DO realize that everyone not ascending will progress appropriately through other experiences and that "all will be well" for each of us "shards," no matter the particular outcome for any one of us during this dramatic shift ....... but these calculations/predictions of how many will be able to ascend "soon" somehow just don't resonate with me. Please Help! fondly, hippihill Last edited by hippihillbobbi; 01-16-2010 at 08:39 PM.

01-17-2010, 03:42 AM	#22
Firstlook Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 161	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Hello Abraxas, How are you doing? Good I hope. I wanted to ask you about a dream I had when I was around 4 or 5 years old. In this dream there was nothing. Meaning I felt myself in a vastness of empty space. The color of this vastness was black and all that i could see, hear, feel. was my own voice/consciousness. I remember waking up crying because for some reason i had the feeling that it was what death was. I ran to my father telling him i didnt want to die. lol. What do you think an experience/dream like that represents? Thank you joey

01-17-2010, 06:33 AM	#23
Nebula9D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Gaia Posts: 107	Re: Thuban Q&A: (warning longer than normal posts here) Peace unto you abraxasinas, I haven't posted here in a while until this thread caught my attention. I'm familiar with alot of the concepts you have explained here in layman terms but without the scientific terminology/equations etc. and the Thubanese perspective. I find it quite interesting and I have a many questions to ask, so i'll begin with this: 1. As you spoke about the founders and also the elders and the council of 24, I immediately thought about the Etherians and the Anunnagi. Can you speak of the Etherians? 2. Do you have information regarding the Serafim. You made mention of cherubim earlier. Last edited by Nebula9D; 01-17-2010 at 06:45 AM.