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[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Folks:

Continued from yesterday.... and more to come later today or tomorrow if I possibly can.

Originally Posted by Steelhorsehd

We met and chatted at the LA conference. I was wondering if you could recommend a good regressionist in So. Cal.

E-mail me with the subject REGRESSIONIST...

Originally Posted by Moxie

[A number of commentators and sources have said or written that] "Time is short".

What do you know that is an apparent urgency?

Thanks, Moxie. My personal take on this is several-fold. It’s a big topic.

We co-create our future (in basic terms) and others with different intentions are trying to co-create a different future.

So it’s a little like two groups of people each trying to build their sandcastle on the beach with the same pile of sand. Who wins? It’s a kind of race. Time is short because if we don’t do enough, we get the sandcastle we don’t want. We will have been out-created.

Other factors: the biosphere is under threat. I wrote earlier about near-irreversible damage and (as I recall) was asked for my source. I was quoting James Lovelock's famous 1997 Rolling Stone interview here.

I’m aware that Lovelock (the originator of the Gaia hypothesis) is referencing a global warming model, and this interview is two years old, but it deserves to be read carefully. Lovelock is a highly intelligent man and he’s deeply in tune with the natural cycles of the Earth. His views deserve our respect.

We’re in the middle of a huge slow-motion mass extinction of species that’s extremely rapid in geological terms. Several years ago, with Kerry in the Masai Mara in Kenya, I was looking at the Mara river (the life-giving artery of the entire wonderful place) - and had a kind of vision in which in the future it had dried up and all the animals were gone. I was shocked. That really upset me - I greatly love nature and all wild places - and I can vividly remember it to this day.

And some of you may know that I had a highly strange and complex ET experience 25 years ago in which I was told “The Earth is a very beautiful place. It won’t always be this way.” Those words haunt me still.

I don’t believe that any future timeline is fixed, but I do think there are probabilities - something Henry Deacon used to stress each time we met with him and talked about these subjects. As Werner Erhard always used to say [my paraphrase], the danger is that we may all end up where we’re headed.

I am an optimist: I’ve said many times that if we were all doomed - in a rigged game - I’d not be here this lifetime, and probably neither would you, reading this now. But my real point is that the actual enemy might be complacency. Hence my message to everyone who can listen: start doing what you came here to do - whatever that is.

Originally Posted by Fredkc

Lemme spill out a "worst case", and go from there.

1. Man being a programmed life form, engineered by some other species for their purpose.
2. That even the glimpse we think we see at an ultimate creator is simply more of the same.
3. That our knowledge of ourselves, and our lot, is controlled so that even escape is an illusion (busy work). That there are enough of us willingly participating in this to keep it that way, and were that to change, our species would simply be re-engineered to regain control.

At this point, the story devolves into a "closed loop" which seems rather pointless. So a wrinkle is added:

4. "Benevolent" races arrive who are here "to help us", but through some limitations unknown are too damned "polite" (or whatever) to change the tune.

I’m not sure if that was a question. I think this is a closed-loop logic trap. It’s a little like saying that if we have no free will there’s no point in worrying about it, so we must logically assume we have - and take that as axiomatic. No other approach makes any sense.

The same argument applies re solipsism (the concept that you, reading this, are the only being in the universe and everything is imagined by you). It’s not disprovable, and so the only course of action is to assume the ‘video game’ is real and then start playing. That’s the only way you’ll find out more.

Originally Posted by Kinsuemei2

Ok Bill what do you think of Jesse Ventura's new conspiracy show on Tru TV?
What do you think of Jesse Ventura period?

I’ve not seen much. American TV always sensationalizes everything.

Kerry and I had our own planned Reality TV show (a kind of real-life X-Files, featuring a real Mulder and Scully) confirmed by one of the major networks: and then two weeks later it was abruptly canceled. This was two years ago. We assume there was a veto from higher up.

We were disappointed... we would have done a great job and it would have been hugely entertaining. This is still theoretically on the cards (maybe), but we might be just too radical or dangerous for the major networks. Any mainstream conspiracy show has to have built-in plausible deniability: segments of the audience have to be able to laugh or convince themselves something is hoaxed or unreal - or else it would be too dangerous.

This is related to all the arguments about “proof”. (Summary: if you can prove a conspiracy, then you become very dangerous to the accepted order. If you can’t, then you’re much less of a threat and may be allowed to drip-feed new ideas into the popular culture with a fuse always in the circuit - because without proof you can always be discredited if required.)

More later

Very best to all, Bill

[gita]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Hi, Folks:


We co-create our future (in basic terms) and others with different intentions are trying to co-create a different future.

So it’s a little like two groups of people each trying to build their sandcastle on the beach with the same pile of sand. Who wins? It’s a kind of race. Time is short because if we don’t do enough, we get the sandcastle we don’t want. We will have been out-created.

Can it then be possible that due to the magnitude of opposing intensions, the timeline may be able to split itself into two different created timelines as suggested by the Hopi petroglyph (the prophecy rock) instead of just the survival one or the other?

[Bill Ryan]

Hi, Folks:

Originally Posted by IMU

What do you think of Leo Zagami? I also don't know if I can trust Dan Burisch or not...

Leo Zagami gave us the best information he had in our Feb 2008 interview. Kerry and I think he believed everything he was telling us.

Very soon after that he was overwhelmed and “taken back”. Just one data point about this (and there are many others): he called Kerry a few months ago and told her he was being tortured. Other public statements he made, especially in 2008, leave one’s eyebrows raised about his state of mind at that time.

In my view (let me put it this way...) everything he’s stated publicly since our interview should be cross-checked against other information that one believes to be reliable. Leo is a good soul, but he’s sitting in the hottest part of the fire and it would be almost impossible for him not to become burned.

Regarding Dan Burisch, his interviews remain on our site because we believe the bulk of the information is valuable and we’re still convinced that Dan believes everything he’s told us.

The timeline 1, variant 83 information, for example, is critically important if true: and when we met with him for five hours in December 2008 after his six months sabbatical (and he really was offline for that time) everything he told us then seemed valid and credible. Dan was passionate and articulate and offered consistent, extremely detailed information about possible future events on that timeline variant.

As I’ve stated elsewhere, we respect Dan and continue to regard him as a friend, though we’re not optimistic we will hear from him again.

Originally Posted by 1love

Bill, you mentioned that you dabble in free zone scientology and I was just wondering how far along you've gotten and how beneficial it's been for you? If this is too personal I understand if you don't want to answer the question.

Another personal question that you don't have to answer: 'When did you wake up' per se? Did you remember what triggered it ? Or was it just a gradual build up?

I’ve had benefit from Free Zone scientology since I first encountered the subject in 1984. The trigger for that was doing Werner Erhard’s est Training, which impressed and helped me enormously, and I wondered where on earth Erhard got all his material from.

I read Erhard’s biography [highly recommended], and realized it that ‘the Training’ was mostly based on scientology processes. I continued to work with est, but at the same time started applying scientology principles to myself.

That was basically the start of my journey. I write about this a little in my previous answer on p.25.

Interestingly, the prompt for my getting involved in est was my girlfriend Angi, who I first spoke about in our August 2009 interview with Arjan Bos and again in my Freedom Central interview. She was on est staff and was fairly close to some of the members of Erhard’s family.

I learned an enormous amount during that period. It was after an est workshop that Angi suddenly grew two and a half inches at the age of 26, after realizing that she had an ‘investment’ in being small. That was also the time on my life when (associated with Angi) I had some of my ET encounters, and it was all rather a wild ride.

I was, however, 'awake' at a fairly early age. I remember at the age of 8 (eight!) being asked to write a story at school. Everyone else wrote about their puppy dog or their day at the seaside, but I wanted to write about Ghosts and Flying Saucers. (I have no clue why, because I knew nothing about the subject at such a young age.)

My teacher would not let me... my first experience of the cover-up.

Cheers, Bill