Prove it!

[Ammit]

A simple Faraday cage is posible from house hold items, PROVED last night for myself, instructions are there so prove it yourself.

After all, i can tell you grass in my garden is blue, but you would need to see it for real to have your proof, wouldnt you.

Sometimes you need to trust some beings as proof can not be that easy to give.

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by Ammit

A simple Faraday cage is posible from house hold items, PROVED last night for myself, instructions are there so prove it yourself.

After all, i can tell you grass in my garden is blue, but you would need to see it for real to have your proof, wouldnt you.

Sometimes you need to trust some beings as proof can not be that easy to give.

I guess my point is that when we learn of something that resonates with us we want to spread the joy to all those who will listen however, what we have learned may not work so how can you tell someone else that it does...? Has it worked for you.

by no means was I implying that I don't "trust" beings.... I feel I should at least have experienced or tested what I'm preaching. Make semse?

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by Ammit

A simple Faraday cage is posible from house hold items, PROVED last night for myself, instructions are there so prove it yourself.

After all, i can tell you grass in my garden is blue, but you would need to see it for real to have your proof, wouldnt you.

Sometimes you need to trust some beings as proof can not be that easy to give.

I guess my point is that when we learn of something that resonates with us we want to spread the joy to all those who will listen however, what we have learned may not work so how can you tell someone else that it does...? Has it worked for you.

by no means was I implying that I don't "trust" beings.... I feel I should at least have experienced or tested what I'm preaching. Make sense?

[Kulapops]

Hi Sammytray !

I think this is a brilliant thread.. and similar thoughts have resonated in my posts elsewhere...especially when linked to conspiracy stuff.

Alex Jones a disinfo agent ?? Prove it !
Now it seems David Icke is one too !! Prove it (coincidentally, is this why I stopped reading his site only in the last couple of weeks ?! lol..)

Which brings me on to my favourite topic at the moment - and connected to your thread - what is the nature of realilty? If my reality changes, odd as it sounds, somehow this can propagate back through time to make 'known' facts change to other ones.

It seems to me the only facts we can prove our based on our own experience and then we can only prove to ourselves, maybe not even to others. But then we are starting to get to the nitty gritty. In the end it's all about our existential experience. What is real for someone is real. Hmmm.

But so much of this conspiracy stuff is sooo out there and sooo contradictory that it can't all be real. So at the moment I'm enjoying a personal reality where none of it is.

Am I goofy or what ?!

K

P.S. I think the sky is blue because the high atmosphere filters out all the red-end spectrum light.
We see rainbows because of the prism effect of thousands of tiny droplets of water split white light into its constituent parts.

[sammytray]

exactly!

okay... Now were getting somewhere! I myself don't know for sure why I feel that the prove it subject is important but I am sure I will soon learn.

Originally Posted by Kulapops

Hi Sammytray !

I think this is a brilliant thread.. and similar thoughts have resonated in my posts elsewhere...especially when linked to conspiracy stuff.

Alex Jones a disinfo agent ?? Prove it !
Now it seems David Icke is one too !! Prove it (coincidentally, is this why I stopped reading his site only in the last couple of weeks ?! lol..)

Which brings me on to my favourite topic at the moment - and connected to your thread - what is the nature of realilty? If my reality changes, odd as it sounds, somehow this can propagate back through time to make 'known' facts change to other ones.

It seems to me the only facts we can prove our based on our own experience and then we can only prove to ourselves, maybe not even to others. But then we are starting to get to the nitty gritty. In the end it's all about our existential experience. What is real for someone is real. Hmmm.

But so much of this conspiracy stuff is sooo out there and sooo contradictory that it can't all be real. So at the moment I'm enjoying a personal reality where none of it is.

Am I goofy or what ?!

K

P.S. I think the sky is blue because the high atmosphere filters out all the red-end spectrum light.
We see rainbows because of the prism effect of thousands of tiny droplets of water split white light into its constituent parts.

[Kulapops]

Originally Posted by sammytray

exactly!

okay... Now were getting somewhere! I myself don't know for sure why I feel that the prove it subject is important but I am sure I will soon learn.

Well this is just it.. Peter Hagelin (I think that's his name) epitomises what I felt already in the film 'What the Bleep' (Please get this from amazon Sammy and watch if you haven't already... you'll love it !! Get the rabbit hole version...).

He says that there are different levels... physical, atomic, sub-atomic, nuclear... sub-nuclear..etc. and that there are different rules working at different leveles.

So the real question is , 'proof of what ?!'

Because at one level, it's easy to prove that the hypontenuse of a right-angled triangle is equal to the square root of the addition of the squares of the two sides. Just get me some paper !

But at another level, the universe is working at different rules. It seems the lower we go, the more abstract it becomes, and what was physical approaches thought. A change in thought at the base level, the super-string level, can propogate all the way back up to the physical. And since everything is joined at the super-string level - i.e. one consciousness, then this can propagate back up to change any and all points in physical reality as seen from your perspective.

Goofy !

Well, that's as I understand it.

Here's a perfect example of this theory in action. My friend gets given a christmas present. Only she's a week late for Christmas and the present is kept from her. She doesn't know what it is. On the day of receiving the Christmas present, she thinks... I really need another jug to keep water in. In an unrelated way. then later , when she opens the present... it's a small water jug.

Now in a physical way.. you can say that this present was bought four weeks ago... and there's no way there can be anything else in that sealed wrapped box. Yet, when she has that thought-desire for a water jug, for whatever reason... and we don't understand the mechanism, her thought changes reality... which propagates back in time, to the point where the friend is actually deciding what to buy... altering the current reality.

Until she opens it, it could be anything. But something about that thought changes reality. That is, it's NOT coincidence !

I find that pretty mind blowing.

What's that noise? Sirens ? I think they're coming for me now....

I also know this to be experentially true.. because I once owned 500 Nortel shares.... they went up to $80 each... I thought I was rich... and pretty much when I had that thought , they dropped to nothing , almost overnight. No one saw the telecom bubble popping.. it came from nowhere. Who's to say that occured just to part me from my riches. Yes.. it sounds ludicrous...

but so do quangons from the planet 'bung'.....

that's why I come to PA... to sort the whooey from the whe-hey !!

Don't forget, it's only my reality... no one else has to join

Peace n love

K

p.S. sorry for the long post...I had a large glass of wine... and I know what you're thinking....

[sammytray]

your truly entertaining with excellent communication skills... Ya got a "good vibe" friend, thanks for the post. I have heard of "what the bleep".... Will give it a whirl. Gonna get to my lap top so I can type with all fingers instead of from this brain zappin cell phone. Great post!

Originally Posted by Kulapops

Well this is just it.. Peter Hagelin (I think that's his name) epitomises what I felt already in the film 'What the Bleep' (Please get this from amazon Sammy and watch if you haven't already... you'll love it !! Get the rabbit hole version...).

He says that there are different levels... physical, atomic, sub-atomic, nuclear... sub-nuclear..etc. and that there are different rules working at different leveles.

So the real question is , 'proof of what ?!'

Because at one level, it's easy to prove that the hypontenuse of a right-angled triangle is equal to the square root of the addition of the squares of the two sides. Just get me some paper !

But at another level, the universe is working at different rules. It seems the lower we go, the more abstract it becomes, and what was physical approaches thought. A change in thought at the base level, the super-string level, can propogate all the way back up to the physical. And since everything is joined at the super-string level - i.e. one consciousness, then this can propagate back up to change any and all points in physical reality as seen from your perspective.

Goofy !

Well, that's as I understand it.

Here's a perfect example of this theory in action. My friend gets given a christmas present. Only she's a week late for Christmas and the present is kept from her. She doesn't know what it is. On the day of receiving the Christmas present, she thinks... I really need another jug to keep water in. In an unrelated way. then later , when she opens the present... it's a small water jug.

Now in a physical way.. you can say that this present was bought four weeks ago... and there's no way there can be anything else in that sealed wrapped box. Yet, when she has that thought-desire for a water jug, for whatever reason... and we don't understand the mechanism, her thought changes reality... which propagates back in time, to the point where the friend is actually deciding what to buy... altering the current reality.

Until she opens it, it could be anything. But something about that thought changes reality. That is, it's NOT coincidence !

I find that pretty mind blowing.

What's that noise? Sirens ? I think they're coming for me now....

I also know this to be experentially true.. because I once owned 500 Nortel shares.... they went up to $80 each... I thought I was rich... and pretty much when I had that thought , they dropped to nothing , almost overnight. No one saw the telecom bubble popping.. it came from nowhere. Who's to say that occured just to part me from my riches. Yes.. it sounds ludicrous...

but so do quangons from the planet 'bung'.....

that's why I come to PA... to sort the whooey from the whe-hey !!

Don't forget, it's only my reality... no one else has to join

Peace n love

K

p.S. sorry for the long post...I had a large glass of wine... and I know what you're thinking....

[mudra]

Love Always
mudra

[conkroach]

We can prove most anything through use of muscle testing. Me and my teenage daughters conducted a little experiment yesterday. I held various objects against my chest, hidden from them. Through muscle testing we could blindly tell which of the things were "good for us". 100% accurate. The accuracy was based on the assumption that things like Aspartame, sugar, refined flour, MSG, soda pop, chlorine bleach, and similar were "bad for us". Things like broccoli, brazil nuts, books, vitamins, a locket with Grannies picture, were "good for us". The kids were very intrigued. We plan to experiment more this weekend.

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by conkroach

We can prove most anything through use of muscle testing. Me and my teenage daughters conducted a little experiment yesterday. I held various objects against my chest, hidden from them. Through muscle testing we could blindly tell which of the things were "good for us". 100% accurate. The accuracy was based on the assumption that things like Aspartame, sugar, refined flour, MSG, soda pop, chlorine bleach, and similar were "bad for us". Things like broccoli, brazil nuts, books, vitamins, a locket with Grannies picture, were "good for us". The kids were very intrigued. We plan to experiment more this weekend.

I have heard of muscle testing..... Some/most reports are that it is not accurate however, I can "see" how this could work.

[conkroach]

Originally Posted by sammytray

I have heard of muscle testing..... Some/most reports are that it is not accurate however, I can "see" how this could work.

Greybeard mentioned Dr. David Hawkins. Read Dr. Hawkin's books and be convinced of the efficacy of muscle testing. Like I said, we conducted informal experiments at home, with 100% rate of success. The person being tested had absolutely no knowledge of the item in question, yet managed to determine the 'truth' of it's effect on the human body.

[sammytray]

Originally Posted by conkroach

Greybeard mentioned Dr. David Hawkins. Read Dr. Hawkin's books and be convinced of the efficacy of muscle testing. Like I said, we conducted informal experiments at home, with 100% rate of success. The person being tested had absolutely no knowledge of the item in question, yet managed to determine the 'truth' of it's effect on the human body.

Thanks Conkroach, I will check it out! 100% rate of success?? I guess that is "proof"

[Shaynard]

My memory always turns to the film and book Contact.

Q:"Did you love your Dad?"

A:"yes."

"Prove it!"

Each person defines what is sufficient "proof" for them. If someone says something to me that doesn't "work" for me when it's said I will listen anyways, and consider it just as much as something that does instantly "hit home" so to speak. I trust myself to make good choices based on any information, and I forgive myself any mistakes I make, and try to grow from them. In my experience "experience" comes to different people in different ways. Due to the fact that most "spiritual" experiences are highly symbolic, at times we make mistakes in the conclusions we base on them. Even the most "misguided" disinfo, can have a thread of truth buried in it.

I (personaly) feel more comfortable understanding no being is all "good" or "bad" and all information is neither all ''true" or "false".

~You'll know the truth from all their lies~

Thank you for the thread and sharing your thoughs everyone.

In light, of love
Shaynard

[sammytray]

hmmmm is knowing from our experiences proof enough? Is that proof we found for ourselves contagious enough to be the proof others are looking for? How can we all see eye to eye with the proof that's laid before us? Besides, technically proof means the subject was tested one way or the other and a conclusion formed. (someone proved man could fly one way or the other and now noone needs that proof anymore)

there is alot of power in proof

Originally Posted by Shaynard

My memory always turns to the film and book Contact.

Q:"Did you love your Dad?"

A:"yes."

"Prove it!"

Each person defines what is sufficient "proof" for them. If someone says something to me that doesn't "work" for me when it's said I will listen anyways, and consider it just as much as something that does instantly "hit home" so to speak. I trust myself to make good choices based on any information, and I forgive myself any mistakes I make, and try to grow from them. In my experience "experience" comes to different people in different ways. Due to the fact that most "spiritual" experiences are highly symbolic, at times we make mistakes in the conclusions we base on them. Even the most "misguided" disinfo, can have a thread of truth buried in it.

I (personaly) feel more comfortable understanding no being is all "good" or "bad" and all information is neither all ''true" or "false".

~You'll know the truth from all their lies~

Thank you for the thread and sharing your thoughs everyone.

In light, of love
Shaynard

[Frank Samuel]

During the oil crisis of the 70's so many new alternates forms of energy came out, it seems inventors where everywhere promoting their ideas and inventions.The majority where bought out and the inventions never came to flourish. Research in the traditional sense takes years. IE.. I am a researcher of the solfeggio and binaural beats. How do I know they work because I tested on myself , family and friends. But people are skeptical because they have been brainwashed by traditional modern medicine. My ex wife works as a pharmacist in a local psychiatric hospital . I asked her the other day to tell me if she had an idea what the success rate was for the patients that are hospitalized in the ward. 2% or less, she answer. We all know that alternate forms of medicine and energy are more effective and economical yet is not advertise for it does not make money for the conglomerates who practically own us through medicine, energy and food.This however in my opinion is a blessing in the sky, lets used and research all of the inventions that can benefit ourselves, families, and eventually the world and let these billionaire conglomerates go broke. Prove it no thanks just let me test your idea out and if it works I spread the word eventually a underground market will sprang out to everyone who is interested. Community and underground markets are in my opinion the way to go to promote and test ideas and inventions that can benefit us and not these ruthless companies.

[sammytray]

hey stranger !... Been awhile thanks for the insight... I am fascinated with the scales you mention... Better yet,very curious as to how it's worked for you, your family and friends!

very interesting take on the "underground"/behind the scenes "prooving" system. If proof is truth then it's funny how humanity always wants to hide it.

Originally Posted by Frank Samuel

During the oil crisis of the 70's so many new alternates forms of energy came out, it seems inventors where everywhere promoting their ideas and inventions.The majority where bought out and the inventions never came to flourish. Research in the traditional sense takes years. IE.. I am a researcher of the solfeggio and binaural beats. How do I know they work because I tested on myself , family and friends. But people are skeptical because they have been brainwashed by traditional modern medicine. My ex wife works as a pharmacist in a local psychiatric hospital . I asked her the other day to tell me if she had an idea what the success rate was for the patients that are hospitalized in the ward. 2% or less, she answer. We all know that alternate forms of medicine and energy are more effective and economical yet is not advertise for it does not make money for the conglomerates who practically own us through medicine, energy and food.This however in my opinion is a blessing in the sky, lets used and research all of the inventions that can benefit ourselves, families, and eventually the world and let these billionaire conglomerates go broke. Prove it no thanks just let me test your idea out and if it works I spread the word eventually a underground market will sprang out to everyone who is interested. Community and underground markets are in my opinion the way to go to promote and test ideas and inventions that can benefit us and not these ruthless companies.

[Frank Samuel]

Here's one for you on the underground pirate boxes for cable, work very well but are part of the underground, free internet through wifi internet antennas.
Cancer cures by the use of high dosage of vitamin C. Hydrogen fuel made from H2O separation the Kits are available in the internet. I can go on and on. May I add that I , family and friends have benefited from many ideas and inventions in the underground market. For me this is the real world , rebel that I am I love going against the grain. When I was actively promoting many new inventions my client list was very interesting, enough said...