Dr Steven Greer. Why the Certainty ?

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by Steven

I personally know a couple from my wife's family that have two kids "somewhere in space". If you want the whole story, I can tell you. A total violation of Freewill in resume. Don't ask them if they think all ETs are good.

Absolutely, tell the whole story.

I also don't see how "being aware" of an ET intervention helps us overcome it. Please explain. Basically, we are saying that the same steps need to be taken, that we need to give up fear, grow spiritually, and grow in consciousness, so I don't see how this point of view makes any difference.

For the record, I have not said there are no "negative" ETs, but neither have I said that there are. I have said that it is probable that there are other planets like Earth, and we certainly qualify as negative. But, I have insufficient personal information on that subject. I just don't see any advantage to spreading fear about such things. I agree wholeheartedly with what Tone3Jaguar had to say in an earlier post.

I am aware of what many call an ET intervention. To be sure, life on Earth has been managed from the beginning. However, our notion of free will and what is good for us from our limited perspective here on this planet is not always (seldom?) accurate. I rarely speak of this, mostly because I am just learning about such things, but it is important to keep in mind the role of the spiritual hierarchy in all of this and our purpose for being here on this planet.

I would be quite happy to meet with any "negative" ETs out there and visit their mothership or home planet. Perhaps the ones who have your friends' kids will take me and explain what they are up to (I don't say this to make light of your statement, I mean it seriously).

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Jnana

Absolutely, tell the whole story.

I also don't see how "being aware" of an ET intervention helps us overcome it. Please explain. Basically, we are saying that the same steps need to be taken, that we need to give up fear, grow spiritually, and grow in consciousness, so I don't see how this point of view makes any difference.

For the record, I have not said there are no "negative" ETs, but neither have I said that there are. I have said that it is probable that there are other planets like Earth, and we certainly qualify as negative. But, I have insufficient personal information on that subject. I just don't see any advantage to spreading fear about such things. I agree wholeheartedly with what Tone3Jaguar had to say in an earlier post.

I am aware of what many call an ET intervention. To be sure, life on Earth has been managed from the beginning. However, our notion of free will and what is good for us from our limited perspective here on this planet is not always (seldom?) accurate. I rarely speak of this, mostly because I am just learning about such things, but it is important to keep in mind the role of the spiritual hierarchy in all of this and our purpose for being here on this planet.

I would be quite happy to meet with any "negative" ETs out there and visit their mothership or home planet. Perhaps the ones who have your friends' kids will take me and explain what they are up to (I don't say this to make light of your statement, I mean it seriously).

Here is the story in resume. Rosana (fictive name) is my wife's aunt. She was 14 the first time she was abducted. She didn't remember much of it except that she woke up in the barn lying on the floor at 5 am. She had been abducted several times after that. She remembers partially her aggressors describing them just as the "greys" look like.

She got pregnant right after giving birth to her first son and she knew it was not from a relation with her husband. Her husband was very upset about it all, but also very caring for her wife. He is still today very angry at the "greys". When she was near to give birth, she was again abducted and when she woke up, she was alone. No more baby in her womb.

This happened twice. Few years later, she got abducted again and met with her two kids, a girl and a boy, she remembers much of the whole event. Of course, it was heavily charged emotively and she always told the "greys" that she does not agree with what they were doing to her and her kids. The only answer she got was not to worry, they are well taken care. She is very sad of it all, still today. It is a burden she carries with her husband, unable to share with her surrounding. She was never beaten, but often drugged. She remembers drinking a small vial of a pink liquid. She thinks this stuff was to make her forget.

She has no proof of it, but she is convinced the two kids were interbreed. This idea is very hard on her. She accepted to share her story with me because I was deep into alien research and had myself a contact with a foreign being in Brazil.

Now, "being aware" of an ET intervention is the first step to counter it. How can you do something about it if you don't know anything on the topic or worse, if you intentionally refuse to look at the witnesses testimony that gives freely there information about it?

It is like the human "elite" that govern our world. The day enough people will know about it and ask publicly for answers, things will begin to change, it is the first step only, but it has to be done first...

You have never said that there were not negative ETs, but I have... So, to be coherent with my own knowledge, it is a commitment to inform my surrounding about it. It is not to spread fear intentionally, if it gives fear to think about an ETs intervention on Earth, I will also provide the means how to overcome it. There is a big difference between spreading fear with non-existent and fictional catastrophe, and informing the people about an alien intervention going on Earth that needs to be known. And I think Avalon forum is the place to do it so.

We are the ones who needs to decide our future for ourselves. There is no spiritual hierarchy with Creators contentment that says what is good and what is bad for us. Freewill is the guideline, nothing else. And it is widely accepted throughout the Galaxy.

Seriously, you would like to be abducted by the ETs who did abduct Rosana? Think about it twice. There are species out there that sees us just like we see our chicken in a plate, a resource. By the way, the way we treat our animals is a consciousness clear message that is sent to the Universe that says we accept to be treated the way we treat our animals. Universal Laws... the day we will treat our animal and planet with respect, we will stop sending this message to the Universe and we will solve many problems regarding ETs intervention, no need for war, it is all about consciousness...

Namaste, Steven

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by Steven

Here is the story in resume. Rosana (fictive name) is my wife's aunt. She was 14 the first time she was abducted. She didn't remember much of it except that she woke up in the barn lying on the floor at 5 am. She had been abducted several times after that....

Thanks very much for sharing this story since it really does get right to the heart of the matter. I've read many similar stories and I understand that living with this is a very difficult thing, but I'm sorry to say it does not prove your point that negative ETs exist. The fact of the matter is that neither you nor I know why they are doing this. I have read a number of cases where reasons were revealed to the subjects, and in most cases it is for the benefit of humanity. There may even be several different programs running with several different goals, depending on how we choose to destroy the planet: 1) a program to provide a body that can survive on a more polluted planet with more adverse weather conditions, 2) a program to provide a body with enhanced psi capabilities and better health for those who move on to a 4D/5D world, 3) a program to populate a new planet from scratch as a redo of the experiment that failed here on Earth for various reasons. Generally it is stated that the individual agreed to participate in the program prior to incarnating. Unfortunately, due to the veil of forgetfulness, few if any remember this. I don't think that people becoming aware of their participation in these programs is accidental. I think it is all part of the transition process and it is time for us to know these things.

The cases where such programs are not for the benefit of humanity have to do with an ET race that is dying out due to mistakes they have made. They are trying to create a new body that will help their race survive. I've seen a few versions of this. Again, I would not classify this action as "negative". Given the choice, I would volunteer to help such a race survive rather than deny them existence. However, it is not entirely clear to me why they need to customize a body for this purpose.

Originally Posted by Steven

Now, "being aware" of an ET intervention is the first step to counter it. How can you do something about it if you don't know anything on the topic or worse, if you intentionally refuse to look at the witnesses testimony that gives freely there information about it?

If the intervention is intended to ensure the survival of humanity, why would you choose to counter it? As I said before, from our limited perspective we often do not understand why certain things are being done. Reacting to hardship and calling it the result of a "negative" action is understandable, but not necessarily correct.

Since this is a Dr. Steven Greer thread, I'll throw this in. Greer often talks about how people react to hardship using the example of a young child in an emergency ward. In order to save the child, the doctor must insert a catheter into the child's chest right now with no anesthesia. How would that child view the doctor's actions? Would that view be correct? Greer never states what he has in mind in the ET world when he presents this example. I have my own ideas about that, and it includes stories such as the one you shared.

Originally Posted by Steven

We are the ones who needs to decide our future for ourselves.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Steven

There is no spiritual hierarchy with Creators contentment that says what is good and what is bad for us. Freewill is the guideline, nothing else. And it is widely accepted throughout the Galaxy.

There is a spiritual hierarchy, and there is considerable evidence to support this. I'm not entirely sure you are denying the existence of our spiritual aspect, but that's what it sounds like here. I also think there is more to universal law than free will.

Originally Posted by Steven

Seriously, you would like to be abducted by the ETs who did abduct Rosana? Think about it twice....

It would not be an abduction because I have requested it. I am not afraid of ET contact. I am not afraid of death. I would very much like to be able to provide a report on what these guys are doing from conscious memory, without the aid of hypnosis, so that people can really know what is going on and why. I'm willing to take that risk. If they say it's because we taste like chicken, that's what I would report. The fact is that others have already been there and done this. Jim Sparks is one (book "The Keepers").

Originally Posted by Steven

the day we will treat our animal and planet with respect, we will stop sending this message to the Universe and we will solve many problems regarding ETs intervention, no need for war, it is all about consciousness...

I absolutely agree with this. I would add that we need to treat each other with respect and realize that we are all one, including all intelligent races in the universe. Even if the intervention is for positive reasons, when it is no longer needed, it will end.

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Jnana

...I've read many similar stories and I understand that living with this is a very difficult thing, but I'm sorry to say it does not prove your point that negative ETs exist...

I disagree, in this little story, the aliens have violating her freewill. This is enough to me to qualify them as "negative", not respectful of our sovereignty. And this is only one story, there are thousands like this throughout the world and history. You can not simply deny all the people who lived similar events.

If for you assuming there might be a chance their actions were for the best of humanity, or the best of their race, it is your perspective, but a dangerous one. You have no proof either to say their action were "positive", especially when freewill of the people involved was violated.

If it was for the best of humanity or their race, then why doing it secretly, violating freewill, causing trauma? By fear we wouldn't accept? By fear we would be revolted with fear of them? Then if it is the case, no need to impose it on us, it only perpetrate victim consciousness on Earth. There is no good out of it either, we are adults after all. And who are they to force us to be saved?

Originally Posted by Jnana

...The fact of the matter is that neither you nor I know why they are doing this...

Ignoring the reason of their acts does not either tells that all ETs are "positive". It rather strongly suggest the opposite. Remember, this statement made by Greer is what brought my argument.

Originally Posted by Jnana

...I have read a number of cases where reasons were revealed to the subjects, and in most cases it is for the benefit of humanity...

If only one case among them shows that it was not for the benefit of humanity, it is enough to say that all ETs aren't positive and we must be careful with it.

The inhabitant of our Galaxy are not all positive, nor all negative. We are a microcosm of the Galaxy. Humanity holds the best and the worse, just like our Galaxy. The idea of all ETs are positive is dangerous because it can expose us to more influence and manipulation from the ones active in the intervention.

Originally Posted by Jnana

...There may even be several different programs running with several different goals, depending on how we choose to destroy the planet: 1) a program to provide a body that can survive on a more polluted planet with more adverse weather conditions, 2) a program to provide a body with enhanced psi capabilities and better health for those who move on to a 4D/5D world, 3) a program to populate a new planet from scratch as a redo of the experiment that failed here on Earth for various reasons. Generally it is stated that the individual agreed to participate in the program prior to incarnating...

Now, that's a lot of assumptions... I wouldn't base my conclusion on ETs abduction, interbreed, genetic manipulation, mental influence, etc... on these assumptions just to justify an idea of all ETs being "positive". That is simply way too risky...

See, what is at stake here is not only important, it is crucial. We are talking about our sovereignty as specie. It is not something I would risk just for the benefit of being open to first contact. And more, there is no need at all to believe all ETs are "positive" to make first contact. It is not a prerequisite. I am afraid Greer is being manipulated spreading this dangerous statement.

It might be all fabricated explanations to justify the intervention.

Originally Posted by Jnana

...The cases where such programs are not for the benefit of humanity have to do with an ET race that is dying out due to mistakes they have made. They are trying to create a new body that will help their race survive. I've seen a few versions of this. Again, I would not classify this action as "negative". Given the choice, I would volunteer to help such a race survive rather than deny them existence. However, it is not entirely clear to me why they need to customize a body for this purpose...

This is your choice, but I do classify these action as "negative" even if it is for the survival of their race. They are still committing a very grave mistake in violating our freewill and will certainly not bring them much grace upon their race if it is indeed the case.

Alex Collier mentioned there are four different kind of "intelligent" species in our Galaxy. Hydrogen, oxygen, ammonia and methanol based lifeforms. All humans are oxygen based while the "greys" and the "reptilians" are hydrogen based. I will not get into details, but the hydrogen based have a large disadvantage compared to oxygen based lifeforms when travelling distant time/space. That is why they have become excellent genetic manipulators...

Originally Posted by Jnana

...If the intervention is intended to ensure the survival of humanity, why would you choose to counter it?...

Because it is an assumption, and all evidence are pointing out the opposite. Not only that, but many contactee from other "positive" alien alliances have written thousands of pages telling the same thing. See "Allies of Humanity" book2 from Marshall Vian Summers as example. "Handbooks for the New Paradigm" also points out the same conclusion, just to mention a few...

Originally Posted by Jnana

...As I said before, from our limited perspective we often do not understand why certain things are being done. Reacting to hardship and calling it the result of a "negative" action is understandable, but not necessarily correct...

And when someone of our camp is briefed to have a greater perspective of what's going on on Earth, we simply discredit him because it is a "negative" view of our situation? Remember, I am not saying all ETs are negative, I am saying it is wrong to assume all ETs are positive, from Greer's statement...

Originally Posted by Jnana

...Since this is a Dr. Steven Greer thread, I'll throw this in. Greer often talks about how people react to hardship using the example of a young child in an emergency ward. In order to save the child, the doctor must insert a catheter into the child's chest right now with no anesthesia. How would that child view the doctor's actions? Would that view be correct? Greer never states what he has in mind in the ET world when he presents this example. I have my own ideas about that, and it includes stories such as the one you shared...

First, we are not children. We are a specie, mature enough to discuss freely if we need to be saved or not. I don't believe we need external force to help us without our consent. Why would they want to save us? Without telling us about it? That's a bigger assumption than saying they are violating our freedom and freewill in committing these acts.

Originally Posted by Jnana

...There is a spiritual hierarchy, and there is considerable evidence to support this. I'm not entirely sure you are denying the existence of our spiritual aspect, but that's what it sounds like here. I also think there is more to universal law than free will...

Hierarchy is not the proper word, we are all equal in Creation, all. The proper word would be mentoring, or guide. Hierarchy implies rulers, which is not the case in the spiritual realm. I am not denying our spiritual essence. I am defending it. We are souls, extension of the Creation. Freewill is not a Law, it is a Principle. You can not deny a Universal Law, but you can choose to deny Freewill. Freewill is the guideline Creation choose to expand itself. Those who do not consider it are free to do so, it is a paradox, but also logical. The backlash is that when you do not respect freewill, you deny to yourself the grace of Creation upon your life. Is this sound like denying our spiritual aspect?

Originally Posted by Jnana

...It would not be an abduction because I have requested it. I am not afraid of ET contact. I am not afraid of death. I would very much like to be able to provide a report on what these guys are doing from conscious memory, without the aid of hypnosis, so that people can really know what is going on and why. I'm willing to take that risk. If they say it's because we taste like chicken, that's what I would report. The fact is that others have already been there and done this. Jim Sparks is one (book "The Keepers")...

There are many cases of first contact where the ETs were doing it in a positive purpose. I am not talking about these. Alex Collier is also one I would mentioned among many who has been contacted by Ets which came out as a positive overall experience where is sovereignty was never violated. Now, your courage is certainly praiseworthy, but the thousands who have lived very "negative" trauma caused by violating their body and freewill would certainly have some lessons to teach you before taking off... You seem to see it lightly...

You are showing an attitude of accepting to be ruled by some more advanced species in the hope of improving our future. I energetically propose "mentoring" instead of "ruling" without our consent violating our freewill and sovereignty.

Nevertheless, I enjoyed arguing with you, I feel respected and hope I did induce the same respect in my words.

Namaste, Steven

[Jnana]

Originally Posted by Steven

Nevertheless, I enjoyed arguing with you, I feel respected and hope I did induce the same respect in my words.
Namaste, Steven

Likewise. Unfortunately, I seem to be incapable of communicating my thoughts to you in words without pretty much everything being misinterpreted. I think the reason for this is that our points of view or so radically different. Some common basis in understanding is required for communication, and it just isn't there.

Namaste

[Steven]

Originally Posted by Jnana

Likewise. Unfortunately, I seem to be incapable of communicating my thoughts to you in words without pretty much everything being misinterpreted. I think the reason for this is that our points of view or so radically different. Some common basis in understanding is required for communication, and it just isn't there.

Namaste

Indeed. We have different point of views and I think it is of the utmost importance to debate it publicly. This debate is premise to a larger debate that will certainly occur globally in the near future. Hopefully, it will be done with respect, our point of views and ideas are less important than ourselves.

Namaste, Steven

[3optic]

Perhaps we need a thread titled 'Ethics 101' or 'Ethics for Dummies' or 'Whatever Happened to Karl Menninger?' We chose this...and we chose that. We created this...and we created that. There is no right or wrong...but thinking makes it so. There are no victims. The 9/11 'victims' chose to go through that event. There are no evil ET's. Everything is as it should be. Where the hell do we get this Sugar Coated BS?

I find myself swinging back and forth on this subject. orthodoxymoron's view as expressed here is a very succinct and potent expression of the dualistic side of the argument.

"9/11 "victims" is a particular frame that gets chosen in the mind. Are they victims? Of what? Death? Of murder maybe? If I were to meet a similar fate and others feel compelled to call me a victim would that be a descriptive epitaph? Ugh! Who is the "I" that is repulsed by this notion?

In his PC interview, Greer made some references to dualism/ non-dualism. Given the contentious nature of the discourse this may have struck some as funny. Here are some of my favorite clips on the subject of non-duality:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48jk1...layer_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUyLIYVrd5U

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivwDfGf0_IU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=BqOgR61zAlo&feature=fvw

[Kojak]

To better understand Greer, you must better understand his background, note the highlighted cut and paste section re Bahai Faith, from this website-

http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/greer.html

"He served for three years at the World Center of the ****Baha'i Faith in Haifa, Israel****. Prior to becoming a physician, Dr. Greer worked extensively as an instructor of meditation and was president of the International Meditation Society in the Bahamas. He has appeared on numerous national and international news programs. He has worked extensively with senior government, military and civilian leaders around the world in spearheading and coordinating a definitive announcement concerning the detection of extraterrestrial life forms."

Do your own research on the Bahai faith. Some suggest it is a New World Order faith, there is alot of Utube video on this subject. You should investigate this, and this may give you some idea as to Greer's motives. Here's one video, but do your own research, there's plenty more. Also consider how well connected he is to PTB-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENSTpbRR9mo

It's certainly a concern.

[enemyofNWO]

Originally Posted by Kojak

To better understand Greer, you must better understand his background, note the highlighted cut and paste section re Bahai Faith, from this website-

http://www.earthportals.com/Portal_Messenger/greer.html

"He served for three years at the World Center of the ****Baha'i Faith in Haifa, Israel****. Prior to becoming a physician, Dr. Greer worked extensively as an instructor of meditation and was president of the International Meditation Society in the Bahamas. He has appeared on numerous national and international news programs. He has worked extensively with senior government, military and civilian leaders around the world in spearheading and coordinating a definitive announcement concerning the detection of extraterrestrial life forms."

Do your own research on the Bahai faith. Some suggest it is a New World Order faith, there is alot of Utube video on this subject. You should investigate this, and this may give you some idea as to Greer's motives. Here's one video, but do your own research, there's plenty more. Also consider how well connected he is to PTB-

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENSTpbRR9mo

It's certainly a concern.

Hi Kojak,
Thanks for reminding me about that . I have also suspicion the the subject of this thread was instrumental in shutting off the whistle blower Henry Deacon .
Was Deacon threatened ?
There is some funny stuff going on with his project on "Zero Point energy " .
We will see what develops . Going slightly off topic on zero point , people can see that the "Steorn " motor has been duplicated at the JNL labs . Here is the link . I will buy the components and will try to duplictate it myself .
Watch the video here . This is real science that should be on the front page of the newspapers and if somebody was genuine he would be talking about it .
Unless who we are talking about has something superior which is a possibility ... a possibility would also be derailing and delaying ....

http://jnaudin.free.fr/steorn/indexen.htm

Be well

[dayzero]

Why the certainty? Why indeed.

Most likely cointelpro, in fact a dead ringer for cointelpro.
Yeah......i said it baby! I said it.

Far more intelligent research [ongoing] by the brilliant analytical thinker Gerry Zeitlin on this absolutely
enormous topic at his Open Seti site HERE

I warn you, though, you'll need a few weeks/months to absorb.....
and hanging around on forums is never good for the concentration! lol...

[Steven]

Originally Posted by dayzero

Why the certainty? Why indeed.

Most likely cointelpro, in fact a dead ringer for cointelpro.
Yeah......i said it baby! I said it.

Far more intelligent research [ongoing] by the brilliant analytical thinker Gerry Zeitlin on this absolutely
enormous topic at his Open Seti site HERE

I warn you, though, you'll need a few weeks/months to absorb.....
and hanging around on forums is never good for the concentration! lol...

Thanks a lot for this site Dayzero. I am glad to discover it.

This is also my thought about Greer. He has encounter people from the "elite" after 2001; Clinton, Rockefeller, that himself mentioned in front of the camera. I am sure he has bothered much the ones who keeps UFOs information secret with his Discloser Conference in 2001. I heard a senator mentioning the word spread like a whisper to the senate and many were taking it seriously, not having a clue how to deal with it. I have much respect for what he did in 2001 and still respect him. But my perspective tells me to be cautious about it him now, not the same man...

When someone create that type of wave to the senate, you can be sure there will be action taken from the "elite" to disrupt the movement. Today, we see a very different man, that is what bothers me. And why he called one of his project "Orion project"? Why not "Earth project"? Why "Orion"? Knowing the Orion star system had a past history of Earth intervention and human manipulation from some whistleblowers. I am not saying it is absolute truth, I am saying it looks very suspicious, especially when you add to this the fact he claim all ETs are "positive". What's behind all this?

Namaste, Steven

[Operator]

I refined my view recently, it's very simple and it seems to 'hold' pretty good.

There is no such thing as benevolence and malevolence (as in black vs white).

People/beings all have agenda's ! As soon as an agenda comes into play it will bring manipulation with it.

Pure benevolence is having no agenda at all ! I still have to meet such a person/being ....

[DOMINIC 777]

Originally Posted by Operator

I refined my view recently, it's very simple and it seems to 'hold' pretty good.

There is no such thing as benevolence and malevolence (as in black vs white).

People/beings all have agenda's ! As soon as an agenda comes into play it will bring manipulation with it.

Pure benevolence is having no agenda at all ! I still have to meet such a person/being ....

well put Operator,

does Steven have a positive agenda when he talks about E.T BEING ALL POSITIVE.....or has he a negative agenda? and why would he say that all E.T's are positive.?

Lets take a look at REALITY
1. How many E.T's has Steven met and are they all positive?
2. if he has met a few and there are thousands of galaxies...some E.T.s could be negative.
3.If there are negatrive E.T's why have they not overun the world and dominated it as an E.T SPECIES?
4.My intuition tells me that man posses the ability of pos/and neg and it was created by FEAR creating all the chaos on the earth...insanity
5. IS HE SAYING THAT E.T's are pos to drop us into a false sense of security?
6.These question can only be answered with REALITY...we have to literally see FEEL and eperience the many thousands of E.T.
7.
aS operator said:
Pure benevolence is having no agenda at all.....but the agenda is Disclosure
therefore is disclosure opening the door to neg E.T OR POS E.T.
If you want complete dominance of the Earth what sort of E.T WOULD YOU BE?
LOL
DOM

[Operator]

Originally Posted by DOMINIC 777

.....but the agenda is Disclosure

As I mentioned in my previous post I 'refined' my view ... that's because recently I found myself struggling with
what opinions I had about so much info that I've taken in last months.

It looks all very complex because of so many issues and so many agendas layered on top of each other.

In this case I 'sense' that Steven Greer presents the issue as all ET's are benevolent to gain momentum. It's not all
that strange ... in Lord of the rings people cannot withstand the power of the ring and when they possess it they abuse it's power.
Same thing you see happening here (IMHO), especially if an agenda is in play, when people start getting fame they often 'stretch'
emphasis too much to amplify their agenda.

Actually it doesn't matter to me ... no matter how ugly things may be ... disclosure of whatever issue is important
to enable it's open debate.

I cannot see how humanity could benefit from not debating an issue that's here anyway.

[DOMINIC 777]

Hello Operator
quote:Pure benevolence is having no agenda at all

therefore it follows that disclosure is an agenda and it would hurt millions of people who do not believe in E.T'S it would shatter their sense of reality with FEAR.
therefore I THINK POSITIVE E.T. would approach in a more covert way
LOL
Dom

Originally Posted by Operator

As I mentioned in my previous post I 'refined' my view ... that's because recently I found myself struggling with
what opinions I had about so much info that I've taken in last months.

It looks all very complex because of so many issues and so many agendas layered on top of each other.

In this case I 'sense' that Steven Greer presents the issue as all ET's are benevolent to gain momentum. It's not all
that strange ... in Lord of the rings people cannot withstand the power of the ring and when they possess it they abuse it's power.
Same thing you see happening here (IMHO), especially if an agenda is in play, when people start getting fame they often 'stretch'
emphasis too much to amplify their agenda.

Actually it doesn't matter to me ... no matter how ugly things may be ... disclosure of whatever issue is important
to enable it's open debate.

I cannot see how humanity could benefit from not debating an issue that's here anyway.