The Bible, it's about Disclosure, Not Religion

[100thmonkey]

gazbom there are alternative theories that fit with your evidence here aswell:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc479.htm
http://www.astrologycom.com/yakutia1.html
Maybe it's another thread though.

[gazbom]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

gazbom there are alternative theories that fit with your evidence here aswell:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc479.htm
http://www.astrologycom.com/yakutia1.html
Maybe it's another thread though.

Thanks 100thmonkey, I didn't know this.
And it's really interesting!

[AndyH]

It's quite possible that there may be more to the bible than meets the eye.
However, this book has been translated again and again, interpreted again and again and of course..there's what went on at the council of nicea.
This was all far too long ago for anyone to know for certain.
I find it interesting for sure.

[JSErwine]

I find it interesting how many seekers paths have lead to the bible, I know it has for me.

I have just begun to look for answers in scripture, and from the very first sentence I have found connections.

Building your home on foundations of sand.

Men choaking on their silver and gold.

Whats realy twisting my mind at the moment is the whole god is spirit, the spirit resides in Christ, so Christ is god, then christ washing the feat of the desciples to show our equality to god.

[utarion]

something that is more astounding is this. What do you think the scripture is talking about????
Mark 13:27
And he will send his angels and gather his elect from the four winds, from the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens.

[majorlee]

the bible has a lot of truths within it, it can also be mis-interepted and has lost original meanings down the years of time and translations

funny you should mention about the bible/UFO/ET corolation

in the book 'intelligent design' there are many references with the bible and the ET's and could be more to the truth than we know or want to accept

take some time to read it, see if it makes sense to you?

http://rael.org/download.php?view.1

it can be downloaded for free above

hope you enjoy the experience

love x

nice post Norval...

It would make sense if true. Good thread

Norval, (great post btw) it is not just Revelation that states this. Daniel states several times that those from heaven will come to earth in the last days. Daniel speaks about 4 "beasts" (governments) that will rule the earth from his time until the end. Revelation speaks of only 1 "beast". The first 2 "beasts" were Babylon and Medo-Persia. We know from history that the next 2 were the Greek/Macedonia rule, followed by the Romans. The Beast of Revelation has 10 horns on its head, with a crown on each horn to signify a major rule of that government. We know Hitler claimed to be the "Third Reich", who was the first?

The first "Reich" was Chalemange (aka "the Butcher"). He was the first non-Roman ruler of the Roman Empire, thus the title of "Reich" was appointed to him by the Pope of the time. The Catholic Church is called the "woman" that basically rides the beast in Revelation 17 (also called the "little horn" between the 3rd and 4th horns by Daniel).

While in Revelation 17, check out verse 9. This is the mystery of why the "beast" in Revelation has 7 heads (Daniel never mentioned the number of heads besides the one with 10 horns), it states the the 7 heads are 7 hills. Rome is called the city of 7 hills. It follows up by saying that the "woman" will always reside there, but it does not say that the beast will always be there.

Hitler also marked the 9th time the "beast" has come into major power. The NWO is going to be the 10th. The time of microchips and other controls are going to be the worst time in man's history. The Holocaust of WW2 was really bad, but it will seem like a picnic by the time this rule is over. Thankfully it states that the time will not last as long. All of the pyramids show the same thing, and the NWO should take over soon for about 3.5 years before the end of this era.

Religion is a bad thing even according to the Bible. The Beast of Revelation (Revelation 13) and the "woman" that rides the Beast (Revelation 17) are the always changing Roman Empire and the Catholic Church. We are to avoid the Beast and that "woman" (church) at all costs. It was given the power of deception (Revelation 13:2) from the "dragon" who is called Satan (Revelation 12:9).

Has anyone noticed how the Catholic Church has been gaining strength over the last 2 decades or so? Recently Pope Benedict XVI actually asked France to fall under the rule of the Catholic Church once again. The saddest part is that they are actually considering it. Now Tony Blair is trying to get England back to being Catholic as well. Revelation 17 says that the "woman" of the Beast will call her "harlots" back in the Last Days. Now it is actually happening. Nearly all of the former Catholic countries will go back to the church. Project Blue Beam will be a major step in that direction.

Sources:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080912...Y.21v36jZvaA8F

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080920...aNaY9C9HZvaA8F

[Gale]

Hello Gazbom
It is interesting you should mention the Siberia explosion. I found some very interesting articles in the Nexis Magazine and the ForteanTimes. These articles mention a foreign in-ground mechanism that responds to incoming asteroids or threats to Earth/Mankind. What I find very odd is Charles Fort fails to mention this in his writings.

[Norval]

At the request of several posters in here, and privately, we present the following.

The Calling, yes, there is a reason many are looking.

When the bible speaks of, or about the Holy Ones, Saints, The Elect, Chosen, and The Calling or Called Ones, besides other names to muddy the waters, you must remember that not all are called. It reads that "many" are called, but not all.

So what is this calling that it talks about? First let's ask ourselves what makes mankind so valuable that there is a "calling"? Were we not "created" in the image and likeness of our creators? Some may translate that to mean created with the same attributes and qualities of our creators. Over the generations mankind has managed to discover many things about our true nature along with the ability to learn very fast. After all, our life span was originally "forever". Then cut down to just under a thousand years. Well that got cut in half to about 520 years, yet that wasn't enough to keep us from learning who, what and why we're here and were created in the first place. We get whacked with a couple more genetic alterations that take us to about 120 years, and finally to what we have today of 70 - 80 years. Still the truth becomes known even in the face of such adversarial forces. Not too bad for mankind I would say, we were created with some amazing tenacity for wanting to know the truth. Which takes us back to the Calling of us valuable humans.

The Calling is an invitation to become one of those that "will judge angels". That is a Calling that carries with it a formidable responsibility. But, even though there are "many" with the calling or that have been called, few will get "chosen". Not many make the grade so to say. Not many will go out there and become arbitrators and teachers, representatives of the ruler of the universe. Judging ET's. What? Did you think we were going to judge those cute little cherubs about their harp playing? Even if all of mankind tthat has ever lived and died, were to be resurrected, brought back to life and given that job, we would have over 10,000 galaxies each to help keep the peace. Want a job? One that can really make a big difference in many ways for the good of all, out there?

Well, so much for the calling, (as the room empties), didn't we tell them not to post the requirements and training till after the presentation? Not to worry, the tests are the same for everybody, man and woman, it's just the "scenery" that is different. Our personal skills in things like integrity, honor, justness, fairness, being a good neighbor are what was, or is, being tested. Unfortunately, it does say that "few" get chosen. There were two thirds of those angels / ET's out there that wanted the human race to continue and succeed in what they were created for amongst them. There were a third that didn't want mankind for their intended purpose and demanded that we be handed over for "testing" after our creation.

With the end of that testing period ominously close the leader of that breakaway faction got his butt kicked and tossed out of "heaven" and down to the earth. Not a good thing for those with the Calling let alone those of the Chosen Ones still alive. The buck stops with the father of the lie, there is your last stop in the line of leadership of all those that seemingly control prison planet earth. Wanting these Called Ones found, "her seed", for very devious reasons is the primary goal of the hierarchy of the ET's down here at this time. Which also makes it the highest priority of certain governing agencies of world powers. Probably, without their knowledge.

It is written that a third of mankind will be brought through the fire. This is taken to mean that two thirds of mankind will not survive what is coming. If you could read the hearts of every man, woman, and child, how many of them, today, would you want for a neighbor? Tough call, but some have to make it, or are even capable of making it. Yes, it does say that we shall not kill, but read the next couple of pages and read where it is required to kill.

Now about those that are of the Chosen Ones. There are two groups mentioned when our King returns that are "taken up" to meet our returning King. One group are those that are alive at the time of his return that have made it through the tests of The Called Ones and are Chosen. Together with the second group they are "taken up". Here is where it starts to get really interesting. Together with the ones that were Chosen, and had died. Just as we can restore our computers by reloading all of it's programing after repairing it, "the resurrection" is a just a bit more complicated. (Now that's an understatement.)

This is what is also referred to as the 144,000, the "first fruits" of a harvest. In all of my researching of religions and what they knew, or had learned, only one knew and had done alot of research on the topic. But what they failed to teach was the rest of the story that tells us that the 144,000 are only the "first fruits" of a HARVEST. That means there are many, many more Called Ones just waking up to the bible/ET connection. Those that make this Calling assured for themselves will get Chosen in the harvest.

There is much more to unraveling this conspiracy of secrecy around why we were created, and who these very bad, lying, deceiving, slanderous ET's, (that are no longer wanted anywhere in the "heavens"), who got their butts kicked, and thrown down here, that want us dead. This good news of the Kingdom is about the Government of the Galaxies and why we were created. The great news is because we can now make the connection and comprehend what this has all been about and for.

No, I don't know everything, we don't know everything, but we are learning more every day about what is truly unfolding in our time period. Yes, it is a lengthy post, but I hope it helps to shed more light on a subject that has taken me several decades to put together. The last seven years with Gale as my co-investigator in searching for the signs of the heavens is another conspiracy thread in the making.

Thank you all for your responses, we are learning too.

[gazbom]

Originally Posted by Norval

At the request of several posters in here, and privately, we present the following.

The Calling, yes, there is a reason many are looking.

When the bible speaks of, or about the Holy Ones, Saints, The Elect, Chosen, and The Calling or Called Ones, besides other names to muddy the waters, you must remember that not all are called. It reads that "many" are called, but not all.

So what is this calling that it talks about? First let's ask ourselves what makes mankind so valuable that there is a "calling"? Were we not "created" in the image and likeness of our creators? Some may translate that to mean created with the same attributes and qualities of our creators. Over the generations mankind has managed to discover many things about our true nature along with the ability to learn very fast. After all, our life span was originally "forever". Then cut down to just under a thousand years. Well that got cut in half to about 520 years, yet that wasn't enough to keep us from learning who, what and why we're here and were created in the first place. We get whacked with a couple more genetic alterations that take us to about 120 years, and finally to what we have today of 70 - 80 years. Still the truth becomes known even in the face of such adversarial forces. Not too bad for mankind I would say, we were created with some amazing tenacity for wanting to know the truth. Which takes us back to the Calling of us valuable humans.

The Calling is an invitation to become one of those that "will judge angels". That is a Calling that carries with it a formidable responsibility. But, even though there are "many" with the calling or that have been called, few will get "chosen". Not many make the grade so to say. Not many will go out there and become arbitrators and teachers, representatives of the ruler of the universe. Judging ET's. What? Did you think we were going to judge those cute little cherubs about their harp playing? Even if all of mankind tthat has ever lived and died, were to be resurrected, brought back to life and given that job, we would have over 10,000 galaxies each to help keep the peace. Want a job? One that can really make a big difference in many ways for the good of all, out there?

Well, so much for the calling, (as the room empties), didn't we tell them not to post the requirements and training till after the presentation? Not to worry, the tests are the same for everybody, man and woman, it's just the "scenery" that is different. Our personal skills in things like integrity, honor, justness, fairness, being a good neighbor are what was, or is, being tested. Unfortunately, it does say that "few" get chosen. There were two thirds of those angels / ET's out there that wanted the human race to continue and succeed in what they were created for amongst them. There were a third that didn't want mankind for their intended purpose and demanded that we be handed over for "testing" after our creation.

With the end of that testing period ominously close the leader of that breakaway faction got his butt kicked and tossed out of "heaven" and down to the earth. Not a good thing for those with the Calling let alone those of the Chosen Ones still alive. The buck stops with the father of the lie, there is your last stop in the line of leadership of all those that seemingly control prison planet earth. Wanting these Called Ones found, "her seed", for very devious reasons is the primary goal of the hierarchy of the ET's down here at this time. Which also makes it the highest priority of certain governing agencies of world powers. Probably, without their knowledge.

It is written that a third of mankind will be brought through the fire. This is taken to mean that two thirds of mankind will not survive what is coming. If you could read the hearts of every man, woman, and child, how many of them, today, would you want for a neighbor? Tough call, but some have to make it, or are even capable of making it. Yes, it does say that we shall not kill, but read the next couple of pages and read where it is required to kill.

Now about those that are of the Chosen Ones. There are two groups mentioned when our King returns that are "taken up" to meet our returning King. One group are those that are alive at the time of his return that have made it through the tests of The Called Ones and are Chosen. Together with the second group they are "taken up". Here is where it starts to get really interesting. Together with the ones that were Chosen, and had died. Just as we can restore our computers by reloading all of it's programing after repairing it, "the resurrection" is a just a bit more complicated. (Now that's an understatement.)

This is what is also referred to as the 144,000, the "first fruits" of a harvest. In all of my researching of religions and what they knew, or had learned, only one knew and had done alot of research on the topic. But what they failed to teach was the rest of the story that tells us that the 144,000 are only the "first fruits" of a HARVEST. That means there are many, many more Called Ones just waking up to the bible/ET connection. Those that make this Calling assured for themselves will get Chosen in the harvest.

There is much more to unraveling this conspiracy of secrecy around why we were created, and who these very bad, lying, deceiving, slanderous ET's, (that are no longer wanted anywhere in the "heavens"), who got their butts kicked, and thrown down here, that want us dead. This good news of the Kingdom is about the Government of the Galaxies and why we were created. The great news is because we can now make the connection and comprehend what this has all been about and for.

No, I don't know everything, we don't know everything, but we are learning more every day about what is truly unfolding in our time period. Yes, it is a lengthy post, but I hope it helps to shed more light on a subject that has taken me several decades to put together. The last seven years with Gale as my co-investigator in searching for the signs of the heavens is another conspiracy thread in the making.

Thank you all for your responses, we are learning too.

I think this is so refreshing to hear, (although it's all doom and gloom!)
The governments are not the only group being deceived by the devil, religion its self has been massively manipulated, here are a few examples.
The Christian church constantly tell us if we are good we will go to Heaven, that is a lie! Only the 144,000 will go to heaven, how do I know this? because it says so in the Bible!
The church tells us sinners will burn in Hell forever, that's another lie, we inherited sin, so everybody is a sinner, it's part of our DNA if you like, Hell, translated, I think from Hebrew, I'm not sure means grave. Hell as a burning nightmare doesn't actually exist and no where in the Bible does it say if you are bad you will go to Hell!
Our human cells are designed to regenerate and repair when they become old or damaged, we should in fact live forever, scientists really don't know why we die.
We die because we are paying for our sins, and there is no consciousness, nothing, we will be dead, ashes to ashes dust to dust.
However there is hope for everyone because every person that ever lived will be brought back to life, exactly how this will be done I can't even begin to imagine but that's what's gonna happen.
We will all live on the Earth not in Heaven. Death will be a thing of the past and after a thousand years we will all be tested again by the devil.
If anybody is reading this and you think I'm a lunatic well I'm only quoting the Bible.

[Frank Samuel]

On a ligther note all this researched is making us go looney toon,
Ah bidi,ah bidi, ah bidi that's all folks. BOOM!!! Lets enjoy life while we can !
Love and peace to you all ET's

[Norval]

Doom and Gloom? This all sounds quite refreshing to me, NO MORE BAD
NEIGHBORS ! ! ! We can all trust one another with our kids, cows, and anuses. Now that is a world and universe worth fighting for to live in. One where there are no more deceptions, deceivers, liars, and well, the kind you do not want for a neighbor. I will fight for such a world and universe. Just as I have fought through all the deceptions to learn these things.

When it comes to disclosure, the greatest harm is going to be from over reacting, from those that just can't accept what is happening and adjust to it. Many will fall back on "old teachings" that told truth, but were twisted to deceive.

If you carefully read what is posted, and your bibles, you will notice that the 144k are only "The First Fruits". The harvest goes to heaven also. Something "they" failed to comprehend. Millions, probably billions, from amongst mankind will eventually go out into the heavens. After all, that is why mankind was created, to go out there as representatives of the King of the Galaxies. Yes, many, many billions will "go to heaven", "IF" chosen.
There are other jobs in the heavens that mankind will also have. Asteroid mining anyone?

Look around at all the people you know. How many of them would you trust to be a "judge" to hear your plea of injustice? How many would Judge you impartially and honestly? How many? It seems the older we get the fewer there are.

The bible, with out religion.

[gazbom]

The bible, with out religion. [/QUOTE]
Yeah, you take it to a dimension I was never taught, or could even imagine!

[gazbom]

Originally Posted by gazbom

The bible, with out religion.

Yeah, you take it to a dimension I was never taught, or could even imagine![/QUOTE]
Hey Norval,
What are your thoughts on Mr and Mrs Weinland, who genuinely believe they are Gods final two witnesses?

Death, hell & the grave... sin (missing the mark/ignorance), knowledge/to know the one true (definition of what is eternal life... oops forgot just where that is in the bible).

That which is cast out of heaven is never to return.

Allegory, analogy, speaks w/2 eyes: inner spiritual enlightened sight and literal physical embodiment of ignorance, deception (sin). Is (Isis) Ra (sun) El (God) Israel (the chosen) is then understood & seen clearly two ways: literally & spiritually... can we see the ones fighting godly wars, obvious sun god worshipers, led by the written word, modern day religion). The spiritual "jew" (that which is inward) and the outward physical "jew" which is a deception. The physical is the veil that hides & divides. Notice that the halo is behind the head, can be seen as being a personification of the sun (son)... grave, sepulcre, tomb (the physical body, is transient, of the earth). Was not the "saviour" cast into hell?

Hebrew is an idiomatic language, cannot be translated into a classical language PERIOD. One Hebrew word may have from 3-10 different meanings depending on context, sometimes even opposing meanings. Whole thoughts, not words must therefore be translated. Of all the bibles you may have come across, have you ever seen The Holy Name bible...? Yah (verb "to be" signifies self-existent), the 2nd part, for example "weh", the breath (spirit, without shape & form) that which animates. "shua" son begotten.

Could that be You? The son, did he not "find himself "in the shape & form of a man?

These connections spoken of in this thread to ETs etc... is all good for entertainment is it not, and may run you around in circles but it's a lot of fun! But the bottom line, have you found "god" in your shape and form? Are you CONSCIOUS?

Something was shown to me recently, a clarity of Alien and ETs, it rings true. Aliens are physical beings, no matter what planet or star system, the archetype of this shape & form appears humanoid , legs, arms, trunk, head. ETs on the other hand are not physical... implying heirarchy. As above, so below.

I seem to think that what is cast out of heaven is the notion that we are some body. God is either eveything or nothing at all.... we don't really even exist, so to speak. Our essential self is what? ........... Anyone follow that thought?

Oh my, I've gotten off into a roll... think I'll put that roll in the oven, I haven't yet had breakfast.

[Norval]

What are your thoughts on Mr and Mrs Weinland, who genuinely believe they are Gods
final two witnesses?

Well, Gazbom, after some decades of research, and the past ten years on the net, I have
found hundreds that say they are the two witnesses. Trying to discover who they are in all
this muddy water would be a job. What I am sure of is that those chosen for that work,
are, or have, done it. From the actions of world leaders in governments, religions, and big
business, along with actions now being taken by the bad cast down ET's, I would say that
the two witnesses are doing their job, who ever they might be.

Hi EpiphaMe,
I would have to say that regardless of the shape or form of any sentient intelligent life
there are only two types.

1. Those you would want for a neighbor.

2. Those you don't want for a neighbor because you can't trust them with your kids,
cows, or anus.

And, we know from the bible that there are those that are not wanted any more in the
"heavens". Thrown down to earth, most crash landing, their small ships now captured by
the governments, defeated. Once one has a sound bases to guide them in this discovery
of learning the truth, like the bible, it opens up a whole new comprehension of "The Big
Picture".

[Frank Samuel]

The 144,000 is called the rapture. And physically speaking my friend
is not possible. some things in the bible if taken literal will make you laugh,
no disrespect. Lets say I died in the ocean and the fishes eat my body piece by piece. It is going to be a little hard to place it back together. There are some things which are spiritual in nature, not physical. I guess it is just me,
when talking about belief especially concerning the bible the koran or other holy books people tend to get a little rattle up. Hmm I wonder if the Buddhist are the same way. Peace and Love to you Novatel...

[Mark]

I heard somewhere that Tunguska was in fact a nuclear bomb detination. I'm jut sorry that I can't remember where I read this...

[gazbom]

Hi, Norval,
How do you see Jesus in all of this?
He is going to come back like a thief in the night, 2,000 years ago he was here for thirty years before he started his mission, I have a theory that he is already here, what do you think?
Well it's not really a theory just an idea.

[Norval]

Hello Frank,

The 144,000 is called the rapture. And physically speaking my friend is not possible. some things in the bible if taken literal will make you laugh, no disrespect.

Well, no disrespect taken. I didn't write the bibles, I just read them.

Now concerning the so called "rapture" and the "taking up" of the Chosen (First Fruits). We are dealing with aliens (angels) with obvious technology beyond ours as demonstrated by many UFO incidents. So, "Beam me aboard Scotty", is not beyond my comprehension.

The same can be said for "cloning" your body and uploading your collective experiences and memories into it. Have you had a "small scoop" of your DNA taken? As the bible says, and we can now comprehend and believe, that it is truly possible to "resurrect" the dead. And, thanks for the "love".

Mark,

Tunguska was in fact a nuclear bomb detination.

There are several reports of something like, or is in fact, radiation sickness in the area.

Well Gazbom, what do I think?

How do you see Jesus in all of this?
He is going to come back like a thief in the night, 2,000 years ago he was here for thirty years before he started his mission, I have a theory that he is already here, what do you think?
Well it's not really a theory just an idea.

Good idea I would say. There are "signs in the heavens", which is pretty much everything over our heads, so look up. The oddities in our solar system alone are such that one has to laugh at the assumption that this all "just happened". I would have to agree that Jesus is back, now crowned as King, and with an attitude. The destruction witnessed by astronomers in the late 1800's and early 1900's by astronomers can only be understood today.

Keep reading and rereading, the answers are in there, the Book, The Bible, it is about disclosure and the conspiracy to deceive you from knowing the truth.

[gazbom]

Hi Norval,
Do you think all this wonderful digital technology comes from the "goody" ET's, or the 'baddy" ET's?

[Norval]

Originally Posted by gazbom

Hi Norval,
Do you think all this wonderful digital technology comes from the "goody" ET's, or the 'baddy" ET's?

I will say that it comes from the ET's.

I myself am grateful.

I can't wait to get access to the intergalactic net. I think it would be only truth of all knowledge. With out the BS and lies here on the web.