Ex-Christian

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by zaina

Can some one tell me why jesus called himself Son of man ..this I am un sure of ..

I believe because he knew that there was a great danger that his name would be used to create another golden calf to worship, another "perfect God man" that the people could not follow only worship.

I believe Jesus greatest frustration during his mission was that no matter how simply and beautifully he explained reality, enlightenment, the people were not really ready at the time to understand it, including his apostles. He saw the suffering in the world, from his enlightened standpoint he saw clearly that the people we creating their own suffering by creating unconsciously from their own limited beliefs.

He tried to help people see through the matrix, see that if they just surrendered to the 'still small voice within' and truly knew who they were, they could move mountains, they could multiply the loaves, they could have abundance manifest for all life.

So I believe he called himself 'Son of man' to make it very clear to that generation, and to future generations, that he was indeed a human like you are, that he just remembered who he was as a spiritual Being, like you too can and ideally will remember who you are as a spiritual Being, as One with the Father consciousness within you, while still in embodiment.

Jesus was not son of Et's, was not created from "Jehovah's sperm" etc. Jesus was son of Joseph and Mary, but he remembered, that spiritually, he was Son of God, Son of the I AM and an individualization of his own I AM, of the Father within.

Jesus was Son of man who remembered he was Son of God, because he remembered that we are ALL Sons and Daughters of God.

And they crucified him because the prison guards had no desire for the people to awaken to their inner divinity, to who they really are, for if they did, the prison would no longer hold the prisoners and the prison wardens (PTB) would be out of a job and a energy source...

[zaina]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

I believe because he knew that there was a great danger that his name would be used to create another golden calf to worship, another "perfect God man" that the people could not follow only worship.

I believe Jesus greatest frustration during his mission was that no matter how simply and beautifully he explained reality, enlightenment, the people were not really ready at the time to understand it, including his apostles. He saw the suffering in the world, from his enlightened standpoint he saw clearly that the people we creating their own suffering by creating unconsciously from their own limited beliefs.

He tried to help people see through the matrix, see that if they just surrendered to the 'still small voice within' and truly knew who they were, they could move mountains, they could multiply the loaves, they could have abundance manifest for all life.

So I believe he called himself 'Son of man' to make it very clear to that generation, and to future generations, that he was indeed a human like you are, that he just remembered who he was as a spiritual Being, like you too can and ideally will remember who you are as a spiritual Being, as One with the Father consciousness within you, while still in embodiment.

Jesus was not son of Et's, was not created from "Jehovah's sperm" etc. Jesus was son of Joseph and Mary, but he remembered, that spiritually, he was Son of God, Son of the I AM and an individualization of his own I AM, of the Father within.

Jesus was Son of man who remembered he was Son of God, because he remembered that we are ALL Sons and Daughters of God.

And they crucified him because the prison guards had no desire for the people to awaken to their inner divinity, to who they really are, for if they did, the prison would no longer hold the prisoners and the prison wardens (PTB) would be out of a job and a energy source...

yes ,very good explanation ,thank you

[100thmonkey]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

I believe because he knew that there was a great danger that his name would be used to create another golden calf to worship, another "perfect God man" that the people could not follow only worship.

I believe Jesus greatest frustration during his mission was that no matter how simply and beautifully he explained reality, enlightenment, the people were not really ready at the time to understand it, including his apostles. He saw the suffering in the world, from his enlightened standpoint he saw clearly that the people we creating their own suffering by creating unconsciously from their own limited beliefs.

He tried to help people see through the matrix, see that if they just surrendered to the 'still small voice within' and truly knew who they were, they could move mountains, they could multiply the loaves, they could have abundance manifest for all life.

So I believe he called himself 'Son of man' to make it very clear to that generation, and to future generations, that he was indeed a human like you are, that he just remembered who he was as a spiritual Being, like you too can and ideally will remember who you are as a spiritual Being, as One with the Father consciousness within you, while still in embodiment.

Jesus was not son of Et's, was not created from "Jehovah's sperm" etc. Jesus was son of Joseph and Mary, but he remembered, that spiritually, he was Son of God, Son of the I AM and an individualization of his own I AM, of the Father within.

Jesus was Son of man who remembered he was Son of God, because he remembered that we are ALL Sons and Daughters of God...

Assuming Jesus even existed.
I think most likely his wisdom teaching was an amalgam of several teachers of the time, or that he's even an avatar for some group/sect, but I definitely agree with you on the message...

(Personally) I just feel it going against the grain to hear Jesus name put up all the time as if there's something worth salvaging from the bible that isn't already more crystal clear (untainted) in other places, ie. I don't really mind throwing Jesus out with the bible bathwater, because everything worth keeping in it was already said better beforehand (or even later).

Yet Jesus, or any other teacher/guru isn't necessary for people to come to the realisation of their own I AM, or all of our One-ness, eventually.

'Life' is our greatest teacher - that's the Creator's original 'Gospel', and it's freely avalable to all, by default.

And they crucified him because the prison guards had no desire for the people to awaken to their inner divinity, to who they really are, for if they did, the prison would no longer hold the prisoners and the prison wardens (PTB) would be out of a job and a energy source.

Yes ...and of course there's also the other thing about the cruci-fiction being the 3 day death and resurrection of the sun at the winter solstice (today!) on the zodiacal cross...

...which also leads into a bit about the multiplying of loaves you mentioned. The story of the loaves and fishes is signifying the opposition of Virgo and Pisces.
Virgo with the wheat in her hand, for bread, opposite Pisces the two fishes.
Of course the earliest christian symbol was the fish, not the cross, as we entered the age of Pisces, and Jesus, the 'bread of life', was 'born of a virgin'.

Okay, I guess the 'bible' is interesting in that way...

[zaina]

[QUOTE=100thmonkey;205665]Assuming Jesus even existed.
I think most likely his wisdom teaching was an amalgam of several teachers of the time, or that he's even an avatar for some group/sect, but I definitely agree with you on the message...

(Personally) I just feel it going against the grain to hear Jesus name put up all the time as if there's something worth salvaging from the bible that isn't already more crystal clear (untainted) in other places, ie. I don't really mind throwing Jesus out with the bible bathwater, because everything worth keeping in it was already said better beforehand (or even later).

Yet Jesus, or any other teacher/guru isn't necessary for people to come to the realisation of their own I AM, or all of our One-ness, eventually.

'Life' is our greatest teacher - that's the Creator's original 'Gospel', and it's freely avalable to all, by default.

Yes ...and of course there's also the other thing about the cruci-fiction being the 3 day death and resurrection of the sun at the winter solstice (today!) on the zodiacal cross...

...which also leads into a bit about the multiplying of loaves you mentioned. The story of the loaves and fishes is signifying the opposition of Virgo and Pisces.
Virgo with the wheat in her hand, for bread, opposite Pisces the two fishes.
Of course the earliest christian symbol was the fish, not the cross, as we entered the age of Pisces, and Jesus, the 'bread of life', was 'born of a virgin'.

Okay, I guess the 'bible' is interesting in that way...[/QUOT

what your thoughts on bible codes

[Gnosis5]

[QUOTE=zaina;206472]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

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Yet Jesus, or any other teacher/guru isn't necessary for people to come to the realisation of their own I AM, or all of our One-ness, eventually.

'Life' is our greatest teacher - that's the Creator's original 'Gospel', and it's freely avalable to all, by default.

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Yes, it was "Life" that got me starting my clearing work. I'm very aggressive about it and I find that the being I fixated upon (as either negative or positive) yesterday is released tomorrow.

For example, the night before my next session I kept wanting to look at pictures of white roses and did not like the fact that they had thorny stems. What comes up in session the next day? That very same metaphor of a duality that has frustrated me for eons. Solved. Question: what will I "fixate" on next? Answer: whatever is ready to be cleared in my next session.

Uncollapsing from all these beings and images peels off another layer of the onion and brings me closer to the zero point where I was and knew I was connected and was/am the All-that-is. For some strange reason that makes it easier for me to be happy with my 3D existence too.- like a toddler who knows he has not lost his Mommy in the Department Store :-)

[100thmonkey]

Originally Posted by Gnosis5

Uncollapsing from all these beings and images peels off another layer of the onion and brings me closer to the zero point where I was and knew I was connected and was/am the All-that-is. For some strange reason that makes it easier for me to be happy with my 3D existence too.- like a toddler who knows he has not lost his Mommy in the Department Store :-)[/SIZE][/FONT]

Yes, solving one thing always seems to bring up another thing... You're last line is a bit of synchronicity for me as only yesterday I had this song come to mind, which I haven't thought of for years (decades?)...

[orthodoxymoron]

I really shouldn't make this post...but I just can't resist the temptation. Have you seen the South Park Merry F. Christmas videos on YouTube. It's really bad...but I just about died laughing! I won't provide a link. Extreme viewer discretion advised.

[100thmonkey]

Originally Posted by zaina

what your thoughts on bible codes

Hmm, bible codes. Very interesting.
I used to be interested in them as proof the bible must be true. The only thing was I realised the bible god is bad whether the bible is true or not...
As for the codes themselves, I subscribed to (and still receive) the Bible Code Digest email newsletter.
I've noticed however that the codes they find, while interesting that they are so, supposedly, improbable, they are also not from one particular point of view, ie. they aren't an extended message from the author of the bible, whoever that might be. The code finders even explain that certain codes sound like they are from bible god, some are from a jewish perspective, or a christian perspective. Some are even from a buddhist perspective! ...and so on.

As a prophetic tool they don't seem to function that way. They are so obscure that they only really seem to fit after the fact.

Either way I don't see them proving the bible's claims about itself, because they also prove other religions claims about themselves...


So, yes they are interesting, but are they true, or just wishful interpretation? I don't know what to make of them, so I just have a look and kind of move on.

Oh, the other problem I have with them is the different translations that exist of the Old Testament. Whichever one they choose to use as the basis for their code searches has to be proved as the one true translation 'given by god' first... yet they use several, ie. NIV, Masoretic text, etc.
It's all too flawed of a process to trust...
...but still a fun phenomenon.

If you've ever watched "John Safran vs God" on telly you'll see him get codes out of Moby Dick though, and even from some song lyrics of a CD he had on hand...

[zaina]

Originally Posted by 100thmonkey

Hmm, bible codes. Very interesting.
I used to be interested in them as proof the bible must be true. The only thing was I realised the bible god is bad whether the bible is true or not...
As for the codes themselves, I subscribed to (and still receive) the Bible Code Digest email newsletter.
I've noticed however that the codes they find, while interesting that they are so, supposedly, improbable, they are also not from one particular point of view, ie. they aren't an extended message from the author of the bible, whoever that might be. The code finders even explain that certain codes sound like they are from bible god, some are from a jewish perspective, or a christian perspective. Some are even from a buddhist perspective! ...and so on.

As a prophetic tool they don't seem to function that way. They are so obscure that they only really seem to fit after the fact.

Either way I don't see them proving the bible's claims about itself, because they also prove other religions claims about themselves...


So, yes they are interesting, but are they true, or just wishful interpretation? I don't know what to make of them, so I just have a look and kind of move on.

Oh, the other problem I have with them is the different translations that exist of the Old Testament. Whichever one they choose to use as the basis for their code searches has to be proved as the one true translation 'given by god' first... yet they use several, ie. NIV, Masoretic text, etc.
It's all too flawed of a process to trust...
...but still a fun phenomenon.

If you've ever watched "John Safran vs God" on telly you'll see him get codes out of Moby Dick though, and even from some song lyrics of a CD he had on hand...

yes i have seem how things can come out of books as well as bible ,strange really .but then is it really .

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Jesus was not son of Et's, was not created from "Jehovah's sperm" etc. Jesus was son of Joseph and Mary, but he remembered, that spiritually, he was Son of God, Son of the I AM and an individualization of his own I AM, of the Father within.

Jesus was Son of man who remembered he was Son of God, because he remembered that we are ALL Sons and Daughters of God.

Yeah, they made the part up about him being born of a virgin, but told the truth about everything else!!!! Yeah, really good understanding, shows great depth of insight.

[beren]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

Yeah, they made the part up about him being born of a virgin, but told the truth about everything else!!!! Yeah, really good understanding, shows great depth of insight.

Well I haven`t seen depth of your insight in your threads...When ever you tried to explain something ,you lost yourself in words . You think that you have seen all just because some being told you that she is cooking?!? ?!?
And you bought that???


I do not understand you at all , you do try to mock ones who are different
from you.

Why is that?

I also think you`re deeply confused soul.
It doesn`t mean you`re bad fellow,just confused.

[New Age Messiah]

Originally Posted by beren

I do not understand you at all , you do try to mock ones who are different from you.

I am mocking the reasoning. If someone is a liar, they're a liar. If they lied about the virgin birth, they're liars about everything. It's just common sense.

Originally Posted by beren

I also think you`re deeply confused soul.
It doesn`t mean you`re bad fellow,just confused.

I am the New Age Messiah.

A spiritual action hero, chosen, ready to reveal the true Goddess Spirit and end religion forever, and bring in a glorious New Age of light!!!

[kriya]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

If they lied about the virgin birth, they're liars about everything.

The virgin birth is truth. Take it or leave, love. I have a reliable source

Love,

Kriya

[beren]

Originally Posted by New Age Messiah

I am mocking the reasoning. If someone is a liar, they're a liar. If they lied about the virgin birth, they're liars about everything. It's just common sense.



I am the New Age Messiah.

A spiritual action hero, chosen, ready to reveal the true Goddess Spirit and end religion forever, and bring in a glorious New Age of light!!!

[14 Chakras]

Are any of us walking on water, multiplying loaves?

Not yet right.

Well the reality is that all of us have some truth and some untruth.

Some of the things each one of us believes to be true are not true. We're wrong about some of the things we believe.

Each person that we read their posts etc. also most likely has some understanding about something in this world that is more true than our current understanding of that thing.

Each one of us has pieces of the puzzle of truth and the puzzle of untruth.

So the key I believe is a) not to be attached to all of our pieces, some of them are false! b) Always be willing to come up higher. c) don't judge others beliefs, because while they are certainly wrong on some things, so are we. d) seek more than anything to be a Living example of what we believe more than a pusher of our mental beliefs.

For me, I have no doubt personally that Jesus Christ is an Ascended Master, and a part of the team that is working behind the scenes to raise up planet Earth.

I have no doubt that Jesus was born of Joseph and Mary and that Mary was PURE (which was later mistranslated to mean "virgin" because of the masochistic society we live in ~ if a woman is Pure then she's a virgin right? B.S. macho man).

I have no doubt that the churches have turned Jesus message, (which I suggest was the SAME kind of message as Gautama Buddha and many other mystics in our written histories, just told to a different culture at a different time), into worshiping the golden calf.

However, I know that virtually no one here will agree with all of my beliefs, and I also know that I don't have the full truth and that each person here has an understanding about at least one thing that I don't have... we each have pieces of the puzzle...

So I suggest we strive more than anything to BE Living examples of unconditional Love and understanding above all.

To me that indeed means challenging illusions when we see them, because that gives us all choice to come up higher, but it also means never labeling people as below us or good or bad based on their beliefs. Attacking people is truly attacking ourselves and contradicts most spiritual teachings we may be trying to follow.

We are all One, we are all children of the most high.

Some of us in this world are just more trapped in the illusion of separation than others (like the powers that be).

The Pure in Heart shall inherit the Earth, not those who chose the right mental belief system.

The greatest among us are the greatest servants of all, not because they are slaves to all, but because they awaken the greatness, the Divinity within All.

[100thmonkey]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

...So I suggest we strive more than anything to BE Living examples of unconditional Love and understanding above all.

To me that indeed means challenging illusions when we see them, because that gives us all choice to come up higher, but it also means never labeling people as below us or good or bad based on their beliefs. Attacking people is truly attacking ourselves and contradicts most spiritual teachings we may be trying to follow...

14 Chakras, I'm sorry if I come across as confrontational. I would never assume my self better (ie. more worthy) than others and do admire your posts/threads in general.
I really agree with most everything you've said, except where I've specified...
I do have a brisk manner of speaking/typing though, it seems. I't's just because I'm trying to cut to the point /facts of a matter, yet don't intend anything personal (actually I'm currently at my parents house for holidays and am surrounded by Jesus paraphernalia on every wall, fridge, calendar, ornament and other objects... so it's been in my face a bit lately... )