Spiral Phenomenon over Norway

joe2288 · 12-12-2009, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by TheChosen

Listen to the latest interview of David Willcock where he explains in depth the many reasons the spiral is NOT created by a rocket.

I fully agree with him.. its actually laughable to think this was created by a rocket. The infrared image especially washes away that possibility..

hey do you have the link for the interveiw id like to hear it thanks

GaiaLove · 12-12-2009, 07:37 PM

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Originally Posted by joe2288

hey do you have the link for the interveiw id like to hear it thanks

http://projectcamelot.org/2009-Dec-1..._Wilcock_1.mp3

http://projectcamelot.org/2009-Dec-1..._Wilcock_2.mp3

Snowbird · 12-14-2009, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by GaiaLove

http://projectcamelot.org/2009-Dec-1..._Wilcock_1.mp3

http://projectcamelot.org/2009-Dec-1..._Wilcock_2.mp3

Thank you Richard for those audio links. After listening to David Wilcock and Kerry Cassidy discuss this spiral, it becomes rather straight-forward that this was man made in origin.

I do support channeling BTW and in no way am opposed to information gained by those who channel.

Cosmic Preacher · 12-14-2009, 01:57 AM

I would think it is to much of work and equipment to make this a hoax.

I agree on the rocket gone bad theory.

Stardustaquarion · 12-14-2009, 06:57 PM

Here is a very interesting comment from David Icke that in short says that people that channel are only getting information from entities within the matrix and therefore can not really help us to get out of the matrix or ascend

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfEcCxZjWLU

Cheers

Theresa · 12-14-2009, 07:23 PM

The thing about lights behind the eyes, etc, I think there are a lot of manifestations one can have going through this ascension process. Seeing lights I've heard is one of them. Gary Renard had this experience and in his books, the channeling said this is part of "piercing the veil" beyond 3d experience.

I will for sure listen to Kerry and David's dialogue on this. My first reaction was that this was manmade. And regarding David Icke's comment about channeling, if this is true...well. All I can say is those entities sure are loving and are right on about what they channel through me, anyway, in terms of what HAS been verifiable, ie, in private sessions with hundreds of clients over the years....so...I just don't know for sure, in the end, and won't until I "get there," I suppose.

Pretty trippy! Peace~

Theresa · 12-14-2009, 08:44 PM

ok, I just started listening to David here and as far as I can see this still doesn't conflict with the channeling that came through. The channeling essentially said that we are being prepared for disclosure and although its early on in the interview, so far, thats what he is saying his inside contacts are alluding to as well. So...I'll keep listening!

Halvor · 12-14-2009, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Theresa

And regarding David Icke's comment about channeling, if this is true...well. All I can say is those entities sure are loving and are right on about what they channel through me, anyway, in terms of what HAS been verifiable, ie, in private sessions with hundreds of clients over the years....so...I just don't know for sure, in the end, and won't until I "get there," I suppose.

Pretty trippy! Peace~

I have not come across any on forums, websites, or in videos of the new age type (generally speaking) that appear to have assimilated the following:

Quote:

The apologists of the second century, even on the basis of certain statements in the New Testament, testify to us often of the expansion of power of malign spirits, which extend and multiply their functions to the point where they seize control not only of the physical world, but also of the very heart of humankind.

(Filoramo, Giovanni 'A History of Gnosticism' (1990), ch. 2 "Between Demons and Gods", p.31ff., citing Wey, H. 'Die Funktionen der bösen Geister bei den griechischen Apologeten des zweiten Jahrhunderts nach Christus (1957))

Obviously, when people already more than 1,900 years ago realized that collaborating with demoniacal entities could seduce humanity to the depth of the heart, we can conclude that simply adhering unilaterally to the "follow-you-heart" tenet which resonates like a mantra throughout the new age culture means that all those people who uncritically accepts this
are accutely susceptible to manipulation by those who have been trained in interpersonal communication at the level of advanced alchemy. All around the world there are occult societites with millenia of accumulated knowledge and proficiency in spiritual deception.

Céline · 12-14-2009, 09:39 PM

Wow.. Halvor.... quite the comment...

we can conclude that simply adhering unilaterally to the "follow-you-heart" tenet which resonates like a mantra throughout the new age culture means that all those people who uncritically accepts this
are accutely susceptible to manipulation by those who have been trained in interpersonal communication at the level of advanced alchemy.

Being a being of love... i had to re-read your comment a couple of times...

forgive my slowness..

Love is more then a muntra. for me.. it is the question as well as the answer...

New Age? hmm not sure i would use that title...

i am
i am not perfect...but

Just because i follow the path of love does NOT make me susceptible to influence.. IMO

what does make me susceptible is my desire to be accepted...

that is a HUMAN trait...not a NEW AGER trait...

i am not a christian... a pagan...a new ager...

the only title i have...is the one given to me by others...

Old Snake · 12-15-2009, 12:04 AM

Well,

I am sorry, this phenomenon was created by the now seemingly
complete upgraded Eiscat installation,wich can dissipate about 3.000.000Watt
the steering of the energy is done by computer programs, this installation
is comparable to Haarp test site@ Gakona Alaska , the real Haarp
site is @Poker Flats Alaska wich may radiate only 3 Terawatts of energy

Old Snake

Theresa · 12-15-2009, 02:23 AM

"I am sorry, this phenomenon was created by the now seemingly
complete upgraded Eiscat installation,wich can dissipate about 3.000.000Watt
the steering of the energy is done by computer programs, this installation
is comparable to Haarp test site@ Gakona Alaska , the real Haarp
site is @Poker Flats Alaska wich may radiate only 3 Terawatts of energy"

This appears to be true, but still the question remains to be answered: Why?

DW is suggesting that disclosure is the answer....I'm still listening to the interview. So grateful to have a couple of hours tonight to do so...

arcora · 12-15-2009, 02:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theresa

"I am sorry, this phenomenon was created by the now seemingly
complete upgraded Eiscat installation,wich can dissipate about 3.000.000Watt
the steering of the energy is done by computer programs, this installation
is comparable to Haarp test site@ Gakona Alaska , the real Haarp
site is @Poker Flats Alaska wich may radiate only 3 Terawatts of energy"

This appears to be true, but still the question remains to be answered: Why?

DW is suggesting that disclosure is the answer....I'm still listening to the interview. So grateful to have a couple of hours tonight to do so...

why do you care what wilcock says if you can just 'channel' the info??

fire up some of that dna and tell us what' s going on...

oh, btw...how's biz? who exactly are you channeling these days???

Operator · 12-15-2009, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Snake

Well,

I am sorry, this phenomenon was created by the now seemingly complete upgraded Eiscat installation,wich can dissipate about 3.000.000 Watt
.....
the real Haarp site is @Poker Flats Alaska wich may radiate only 3 Terawatts of energy

I noticed that you wrote the 3 MegaWatt with all the zeroes ... 3 MegaWatt does not impress anyone anymore ...

If you would write the 3 Terawatts with all the zeroes it seems unbelievable.

3 GigaWatts is a 3 with 9 zeroes: 3.000.000.000 Watt
3 TeraWatts is a 3 with 12 zeroes: 3.000.000.000.000 Watt

That is an awful lot of power and I wonder what could even generate that. I am always amazed when I look at pictures of
HAARP in Alaska where all the alleged power is coming from and how it is transported/handled there.
The whole installation on the picture does not look THAT impressive ... or what you see should be only 10% and the rest is underground.

I do not claim to have detailed knowledge about HAARP here, it's just a healthy reality check ....

So has anyone more info on this with references to traceable data ?

Cheers

LucidJia · 12-15-2009, 03:32 AM

Take a look at this page: http://www.eiscat.se/raw/schedule/co...=0700&End=1000 . They scheduled an experiment to "look at the polar wintertime mesophere through the transient caused by (scattered) sunrise around 8 UT." on 2009 12 09 0700 - 2009 12 09 1000.

So between 7am and 10am they were very active on the same day of the spiral. Is this not proof or what?

So whyare they not coming out about this? Why are the russians covering them??

eleni · 12-15-2009, 04:01 AM

I used to channel- of interest is that I used to channel very detailed past life readings- this I did as a teenager within my yoga/meditation group.

At the same time there were these past life reports that one could order from India. Mine always matched up with the Indian readings. Could be thr same *program* was running within the system either by earth intel or astral intel.

That doesn't mean I believe that the entity that came through me was some benign creature even though he appeared to be.

Rayellen Alan was given information pertaining to the nature of channeling- I believe it.

Am very leery of channeled info for that reason (back in the early 80's I was reading the Seth material as well as the Ra Material and Law of One) I suspect that material is not from pure source consciousness.

JZ Knight's teeth had receivers in it placed by her DDS ex husband (Yelm is a programming place) that is what Rayellen was told by her husband. The material is worth reading alone for that information.

I do believe that there are loads of astral tricksters- yes some may be benign but so much of what is channeled info never comes to pass or can't be proven.

Theresa · 12-15-2009, 05:17 AM

All we can really do is try on the message...LOVE is the message...it will either work or it won't...then we have our answer.

arcora · 12-15-2009, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Theresa

All we can really do is try on the message...LOVE is the message...it will either work or it won't...then we have our answer.

huh?

Antonia · 12-15-2009, 08:37 AM

Take a look at this... it explains that the spiral was Norwegan HAARP like technoligy called operation Tiquilla sun rise... It looked pretty man made to me , especially the blue beam of light commimng from thr ground projecting it up... on this limk... you can even see that when HAARP is activated it works in a giant spiral...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread526725/pg1

On saying this, I am a believer in Portals and stargates and who knows, one needs to work on the 3rd dimentional side of phisics, to create changes in the higher or lower dimentions... So the spiral it self being 3d military manipulation could have profound effects on the astral and higher planes and maybe to open a vortex one needs to shift 3d matter first? So I'm not debunking the portal theories completely... but this perticular one seems very small and very basic.... I feel insticntively it's all part of or runner up to Project Blue beam?

Halvor · 12-15-2009, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Antonia

Take a look at this... it explains that the spiral was Norwegan HAARP like technoligy called operation Tiquilla sun rise... It looked pretty man made to me , especially the blue beam of light commimng from thr ground projecting it up... on this limk... you can even see that when HAARP is activated it works in a giant spiral...
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread526725/pg1

The Tequila Sunrise experiment does not seem to have included the use of the Norwegian UHF facility.

http://www.eiscat.se/raw/schedule/sc...12&S=on&TRO=on

Old Snake · 12-15-2009, 01:11 PM

All,

Properties of Eiscat Norway, Haarp (test site) both are indeed about
3 maga watt and used for all kinds of tests,some of wich are not found
in your electronics books!

The facility @ Poker Flats alaska is many times bigger was upgraded to
indeed 3 TERA-watt 3 years ago,and is run off generators from time to time,
and it would be undoable to run such powerconsuming 24/7.

Back to "the spiral" my educated guess is that the engineers @eiscat had their time after the completion of the upgrade and made a program to test the facillity, the spiral can be made by steering the transmitters in combo with the
antenna`s, the blue beam is a carier for all kinds of signals, wich can be pointed very exact, even over the horizon ,as they make use of the reflecting properties of the upper atmosphere, wich can act as a mirror to
certain frequencies

The list of possibilities of these haarplike installations is long, and one might say 50/50 peacefull and military

Old Snake

12-14-2009, 01:57 AM	#4
Cosmic Preacher Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: St.Lous MO Posts: 7	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway I would think it is to much of work and equipment to make this a hoax. I agree on the rocket gone bad theory.

12-14-2009, 06:57 PM	#5
Stardustaquarion Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 897	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway Here is a very interesting comment from David Icke that in short says that people that channel are only getting information from entities within the matrix and therefore can not really help us to get out of the matrix or ascend http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfEcCxZjWLU Cheers

12-14-2009, 07:23 PM	#6
Theresa Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway The thing about lights behind the eyes, etc, I think there are a lot of manifestations one can have going through this ascension process. Seeing lights I've heard is one of them. Gary Renard had this experience and in his books, the channeling said this is part of "piercing the veil" beyond 3d experience. I will for sure listen to Kerry and David's dialogue on this. My first reaction was that this was manmade. And regarding David Icke's comment about channeling, if this is true...well. All I can say is those entities sure are loving and are right on about what they channel through me, anyway, in terms of what HAS been verifiable, ie, in private sessions with hundreds of clients over the years....so...I just don't know for sure, in the end, and won't until I "get there," I suppose. Pretty trippy! Peace~

12-14-2009, 08:44 PM	#7
Theresa Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway ok, I just started listening to David here and as far as I can see this still doesn't conflict with the channeling that came through. The channeling essentially said that we are being prepared for disclosure and although its early on in the interview, so far, thats what he is saying his inside contacts are alluding to as well. So...I'll keep listening!

12-14-2009, 09:39 PM	#9
Céline Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 1,285	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway Wow.. Halvor.... quite the comment... we can conclude that simply adhering unilaterally to the "follow-you-heart" tenet which resonates like a mantra throughout the new age culture means that all those people who uncritically accepts this are accutely susceptible to manipulation by those who have been trained in interpersonal communication at the level of advanced alchemy. Being a being of love... i had to re-read your comment a couple of times... forgive my slowness.. Love is more then a muntra. for me.. it is the question as well as the answer... New Age? hmm not sure i would use that title... i am i am not perfect...but Just because i follow the path of love does NOT make me susceptible to influence.. IMO what does make me susceptible is my desire to be accepted... that is a HUMAN trait...not a NEW AGER trait... i am not a christian... a pagan...a new ager... the only title i have...is the one given to me by others... Last edited by GaiaLove; 12-14-2009 at 11:18 PM.

12-15-2009, 12:04 AM	#10
Old Snake Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spijk 9909AC NL Posts: 9	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway Well, I am sorry, this phenomenon was created by the now seemingly complete upgraded Eiscat installation,wich can dissipate about 3.000.000Watt the steering of the energy is done by computer programs, this installation is comparable to Haarp test site@ Gakona Alaska , the real Haarp site is @Poker Flats Alaska wich may radiate only 3 Terawatts of energy Old Snake

12-15-2009, 02:23 AM	#11
Theresa Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway "I am sorry, this phenomenon was created by the now seemingly complete upgraded Eiscat installation,wich can dissipate about 3.000.000Watt the steering of the energy is done by computer programs, this installation is comparable to Haarp test site@ Gakona Alaska , the real Haarp site is @Poker Flats Alaska wich may radiate only 3 Terawatts of energy" This appears to be true, but still the question remains to be answered: Why? DW is suggesting that disclosure is the answer....I'm still listening to the interview. So grateful to have a couple of hours tonight to do so...

12-15-2009, 03:32 AM	#14
LucidJia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: New Zealand Posts: 135	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway Take a look at this page: http://www.eiscat.se/raw/schedule/co...=0700&End=1000 . They scheduled an experiment to "look at the polar wintertime mesophere through the transient caused by (scattered) sunrise around 8 UT." on 2009 12 09 0700 - 2009 12 09 1000. So between 7am and 10am they were very active on the same day of the spiral. Is this not proof or what? So whyare they not coming out about this? Why are the russians covering them??

12-15-2009, 04:01 AM	#15
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway I used to channel- of interest is that I used to channel very detailed past life readings- this I did as a teenager within my yoga/meditation group. At the same time there were these past life reports that one could order from India. Mine always matched up with the Indian readings. Could be thr same program was running within the system either by earth intel or astral intel. That doesn't mean I believe that the entity that came through me was some benign creature even though he appeared to be. Rayellen Alan was given information pertaining to the nature of channeling- I believe it. Am very leery of channeled info for that reason (back in the early 80's I was reading the Seth material as well as the Ra Material and Law of One) I suspect that material is not from pure source consciousness. JZ Knight's teeth had receivers in it placed by her DDS ex husband (Yelm is a programming place) that is what Rayellen was told by her husband. The material is worth reading alone for that information. I do believe that there are loads of astral tricksters- yes some may be benign but so much of what is channeled info never comes to pass or can't be proven.

12-15-2009, 05:17 AM	#16
Theresa Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 174	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway All we can really do is try on the message...LOVE is the message...it will either work or it won't...then we have our answer.

12-15-2009, 08:37 AM	#18
Antonia Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Dublin , Ireland Posts: 341	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway Take a look at this... it explains that the spiral was Norwegan HAARP like technoligy called operation Tiquilla sun rise... It looked pretty man made to me , especially the blue beam of light commimng from thr ground projecting it up... on this limk... you can even see that when HAARP is activated it works in a giant spiral... http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread526725/pg1 On saying this, I am a believer in Portals and stargates and who knows, one needs to work on the 3rd dimentional side of phisics, to create changes in the higher or lower dimentions... So the spiral it self being 3d military manipulation could have profound effects on the astral and higher planes and maybe to open a vortex one needs to shift 3d matter first? So I'm not debunking the portal theories completely... but this perticular one seems very small and very basic.... I feel insticntively it's all part of or runner up to Project Blue beam?

12-15-2009, 01:11 PM	#20
Old Snake Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Spijk 9909AC NL Posts: 9	Re: Spiral Phenomenon over Norway All, Properties of Eiscat Norway, Haarp (test site) both are indeed about 3 maga watt and used for all kinds of tests,some of wich are not found in your electronics books! The facility @ Poker Flats alaska is many times bigger was upgraded to indeed 3 TERA-watt 3 years ago,and is run off generators from time to time, and it would be undoable to run such powerconsuming 24/7. Back to "the spiral" my educated guess is that the engineers @eiscat had their time after the completion of the upgrade and made a program to test the facillity, the spiral can be made by steering the transmitters in combo with the antenna`s, the blue beam is a carier for all kinds of signals, wich can be pointed very exact, even over the horizon ,as they make use of the reflecting properties of the upper atmosphere, wich can act as a mirror to certain frequencies The list of possibilities of these haarplike installations is long, and one might say 50/50 peacefull and military Old Snake