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[kriya]

Hi Warrior servant,

Wow that's quite a story. I'm sorry you seem to be experiencing so much negativity. Can I ask - have you asked for protection? Although the bad guys can be powerful the good guys are even more so. Darkness cannot enter where the light shines. Also I would reccommend you stop researching anything negative lest you draw more to yourself. I would try and focus upon the light and be as positive as possible.

Love,

Kriya

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by kriya

Hi Warrior servant,

Wow that's quite a story. I'm sorry you seem to be experiencing so much negativity. Can I ask - have you asked for protection? Although the bad guys can be powerful the good guys are even more so. Darkness cannot enter where the light shines. Also I would reccommend you stop researching anything negative lest you draw more to yourself. I would try and focus upon the light and be as positive as possible.

Love,

Kriya

Yes, I have learned that calling on the name "Jesus" causes these entities to leave. I have come to understand (thankfully, from reading the Bible) that these evil critters (what EVER they are, and where EVER they're from) do tremble at the name of Jesus, just like the Bible says.

edit I will also state that before I "knew" this, I tried to fight these things with my own strength. Let's just say that I have had the living daylights beat out of me and been left within an inch of my life before. It is "very handy" to know that there is help in the name of Jesus -- and someone like me who has been beaten to a pulp VALUES that help. It's not just a "nice story" to me. It's life. It's experience.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by kriya

Hi Warrior servant,

Wow that's quite a story. I'm sorry you seem to be experiencing so much negativity. Can I ask - have you asked for protection? Although the bad guys can be powerful the good guys are even more so. Darkness cannot enter where the light shines. Also I would reccommend you stop researching anything negative lest you draw more to yourself. I would try and focus upon the light and be as positive as possible.

Love,

Kriya

It's not all about love and light...love and light are wonderful, don't get me wrong...but there is a spiritual war out there...and souls are in jeopardy. And if Warriorservant needs to call upon Jesus for that strength..then I say Amen. But the program needs to be addressed. As it is part of that war for the soul. I say get your power back. Knowledge is the KEY

[kriya]

Originally Posted by BROOK

It's not all about love and light...love and light are wonderful, don't get me wrong...but there is a spiritual war out there...and souls are in jeopardy. And if Warriorservant needs to call upon Jesus for that strength..then I say Amen. But the program needs to be addressed. As it is part of that war for the soul. I say get your power back. Knowledge is the KEY

I'm sorry I have to disagree. I think it is about love and light: You think love and light, you act love and light you experience love and light you change your reality and you change the world. That's not to say that evil does not exist because I know it does and the more spirtual you are the more you get attacked. However, love conquers hate and good conquers evil. I'm sorry if you don't agree.

Love Kriya

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by kriya

I'm sorry I have to disagree. I think it is about love and light: You think love and light, you act love and light you experience love and light you change your reality and you change the world. That's not to say that evil does not exist because I know it does and the more spirtual you are the more you get attacked. However, love conquers hate and good conquers evil. I'm sorry if you don't agree.

Love Kriya

Well Jesus "is" love. Jesus "is" light. So on that basis, I do agree that everything is all about "love" and "light".

However, do I believe in the New Age Movement "cleche" saying of:

Love and light!
Love and light!

..like a parrot?

No. It's a cleche, and many of those that say it every second of the day have absolutely no idea what it actually means. So they sit down cross legged trying to visualize light and send love out into the universe. That's all well and good for something to do, but true love and light it to "LIVE" it. Not sit down imagining it. True love and light is when you see an old man sleeping in a box and you go sit with him and ask if he is ok or needs anything. True love and light is when you don't move into the new 3 story house, because you know the family over the road needs their roof replaced because of last weeks storm. Ironically enough, I see many people screaming: "Love and light, love and light" are some of the vitreous and sarcastic people I come across online - because they don't know the MEANING of what they're saying. It just sounds good to them. Makes them part of the "Love and Light -- Namaste" club (almost always Jesus deniers).

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by kriya

I'm sorry I have to disagree. I think it is about love and light: You think love and light, you act love and light you experience love and light you change your reality and you change the world. That's not to say that evil does not exist because I know it does and the more spirtual you are the more you get attacked. However, love conquers hate and good conquers evil. I'm sorry if you don't agree.

Love Kriya

Okay...let me rephrase this...you need to come from the heart..where love exists...however...you should not be blinded by it. In other words, tend to look away from the darkness...as it needs to be confronted head on. And you need to hit it with light, I agree there...but it is not all that is involved, when you experience it. There is a certain amount of strength and courage to facing that which hits you. You have to stand up and fight. Most don't look at standing up and fighting as coming from love. And that is what I meant.

[BROOK]

No.It's a cleche, and those that say it every second day have absolutely no idea what it actually means. So they sit down cross legged trying to visualize light and send lobe out into the universe. That's all well and good for something to do, but true love and light it so "LIVE" it. Not sit down imagining it. True love and night is when you see an old man sleeping in a box and you go sit with him and ask if he is ok or needs anything. true love and light is when you don't move into the new 3 story house, because you know the family over the road needs their roof replaced because of last weeks storm. Ironically enough, I see many people screaming:L "Love and light, love and light" and some of the vitreous and sarcastic people I come across online - because they don't know the MEANING of what they're saying.

On this...I would agree whole heartedly

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by BROOK

On this...I would agree whole heartedly

Yeah and it is even better now that I corrected the typos

[BROOK]

I will also go so far as to say, that there is an agenda out there to Blind with the love and light theme..and it is not working for those of us that can see through it

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I will also go so far as to say, that there is an agenda out there to Blind with the love and light theme..and it is not working for those of us that can see through it

That's true. The Bible clearly states that this earth and the heavens will pass away. I also believe it too. Not blindly, but because I do understand that we're ALL going somewhere new and we're all going to pass from this life. It is simple logic , and a "fact". Who can say they're not going to die? What matters is not the physical things of this world. Not the works. What matters is WHO we are. Both good and evil can interact with this world. Both good and evil can inhabit a body (I'm sure anyone would agree). But once we're out of the body and have moved on ("given up the ghost"), our creator will NOT stand for evil creatures being in His kingdom. That is why we must strive towards TRUE "love" and "light" (aka, Jesus) -- because it is the soul within us that need to be clean. It's our hearts.

[kriya]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I will also go so far as to say, that there is an agenda out there to Blind with the love and light theme..and it is not working for those of us that can see through it

How is love and light an agenda exactly? And what do you mean you see through it?

Our soul is made of light and our essence is love would you agree?

[BROOK]

Not speaking of you...but there are those out there, with an agenda to have us turn away from things, and cower in a corner and recite..all is love and light...that is all that matters. So as to turn your head away from the darkness...and assume it will all be well if we just chant "love and light" But it does not work that way.

I don't believe that is where you are coming from. But some of the new age movement is specifically designed to blind us from a REAL agenda.

Again...there IS a spiritual war...and manipulation of the masses in whatever way they can....they will try to achieve domination over our souls. They will use our good nature, and senses against us if we let them.

And yes...our true soul is of love

[kriya]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Not speaking of you...but there are those out there, with an agenda to have us turn away from things, and cower in a corner and recite..all is love and light...that is all that matters. So as to turn your head away from the darkness...and assume it will all be well if we just chant "love and light" But it does not work that way.

i don't believe that is where you are coming from. But some of the new age movement is specifically designed to blind us from a REAL agenda.

Again...there IS a spiritual war...and manipulation of the masses in whatever way they can....they will try to achieve domination over our souls. They will use our good nature, and senses against us if we let them.

And yes...our true soul is of love

Oh yes absolutely. I don't buy into any of that. So what do you do in a spiritual war? Stand up and don't cower With love and light

[14 Chakras]

As for the spiritual warfare bit ~ Agreed that the darkness, the unconsciousness has taken on a life of it's own and it's working to 'fight the light'.

I suggest the only way to disempower the darkness is not by fighting it or ignoring it ~ either way, and the room remains dark.


Only way to disempower the darkness is to shine Light on it. The darkness itself, will turn into Light.

A candle can light up a dark room, but no amount of darkness can put out a Light.

I personally have a great respect for the Ascended Hosts and I understand the power in names.

Not only do we have the Power to say No to darkness as it tries to cause us problems, but we can also, and should also call to the Ascended Hosts to intervene on our behalf. This certainly includes Jesus Christ if we feel comfortable doing so. Archangel Michael, and frankly, if we are Eastern, Shiva is an excellent Ascended Being to call to (although Western fundamental thinkers may of course consider this to be 'evil' because it is beyond current level of beliefs, and that's fine!).

The ultimate spiritual protection comes from building up momentum's working with Beings of Light, as well as fixing our own illusions.

Vibration does indeed matter. The less illusions we have, the less fear we have, the less kinks in our Armour we have for dark forces to attack us with.

Eventually, we vibrate so high, the dark forces literally walk right through us!

I only suggest, we don't have to fight them. Fighting itself is an act of darkness... resisting by all means!!! Fighting as a last resort, but ideally, call to the Ascended Hosts, Archangel Michael, Jesus Christ, Shiva, stand your ground in your own God Power, the Holy Spirit that does indeed Live in your heart, Know you are the child of God and in Oneness, this is your world, and they lose their power... suggestions for starters .... All of us have our own ways of protection, good to share ~

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Not only do we have the Power to say No to darkness as it tries to cause us problems, but we can also, and should also call to the Ascended Hosts to intervene on our behalf. This certainly includes Jesus Christ if we feel comfortable doing so. Archangel Michael, and frankly, if we are Eastern, Shiva is an excellent Ascended Being to call to (although Western fundamental thinkers may of course consider this to be 'evil' because it is beyond current level of beliefs, and that's fine!).

According to the Bible we are to communicate only with God. Not to angels or any other host of heaven.

1 Timothy 2:5

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

If anyone prays (communicates) to any other entity, that entity may be evil. Satan can be "real smooth" and even APPEAR as an angel of light (Hint: or Ashtar) -- so do not be deceived. The ONLY way you can know you're getting truth is through Jesus.

It is, of course possible to communicate with other entities / beings, However, I highly warn against it.

Having aid that, there is evidence in the Bible that God has literally "sent" angels to minister to people and even to warn people. God has also sent angels in dreams and visions. Therefore, it is possible that we communicate with angels "if they are sent". However, all communication should be addressed to our Father, through Jesus.

The Bible also says that we may be WITH an angel, unawares. So they DO come to earth and walk among us.

But the whole point is, if you need help and want to pray / communicate, "Jesus is the way". If he wants to send someone else to help you out or minister to you, then he will. If he does, you'll now it.

[kriya]

Originally Posted by WarriorServant

According to the Bible we are to communicate only with God. Not to angels or any other host of heaven.



If anyone prays (communicates) to any other entity, that entity may be evil. Satan can be "real smooth" and even APPEAR as an angel of light (Hint: or Ashtar) -- so do not be deceived. The ONLY way you can know you're getting truth is through Jesus.

It is, of course possible to communicate with other entities / beings, However, I highly warn against it.

Having aid that, there is evidence in the Bible that God has literally "sent" angels to minister to people and even to warn people. God has also sent angels in dreams and visions. Therefore, it is possible that we communicate with angels "if they are sent". However, all communication should be addressed to our Father, through Jesus.

The Bible also says that we may be WITH an angel, unawares. So they DO come to earth and walk among us.

But the whole point is, if you need help and want to pray / communicate, "Jesus is the way". If he wants to send someone else to help you out or minister to you, then he will. If he does, you'll now it.

Originally Posted by BROOK

There are many threads about this here...just look around..you'll find them

But I will also say there are hints of truth in the new age movement as well, and with any "religion"...there is some truth...the I AM..the source.

I would slightly rephrase the quote from the Bible you can only talk to God thru the man christ Jesus to: you can only talk to God through Christ Consciousness which the man Jesus embodied.

I would also be very wary of those who say they channel this or that ascended master because you have to be vibrating at a very high rate to communicate with masters not that you couldn't.

From what I know God has taken a vow of silence unless you are self-realized and then you are one with him anyway and can communicate.

Love,

Kriya

[BROOK]

From what I know God has taken a vow of silence unless you are self-realized and then you are one with him anyway and can communicate.

I agree with this.

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by kriya

I would slightly rephrase the quote from the Bible you can only talk to God thru the man christ Jesus to: you can only talk to God through Christ Consciousness which the man Jesus embodied.

I would also be very wary of those who say they channel this or that ascended master because you have to be vibrating at a very high rate to communicate with masters not that you couldn't.

From what I know God has taken a vow of silence unless you are self-realized and then you are one with him anyway and can communicate.

Love,

Kriya

I agree with that. And true, no one will see God unless they go through Jesus Christ. People try to skirt around that fact, but it's true. It's unfortunate that man has created so much dogma and religion out of Gods word, so that they have a hatred for it and can't see the message -- but the message is clear: No Jesus -- No life. No amount of creating new stories and philosophies is going to change that.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by kriya

Oh yes absolutely. I don't buy into any of that. So what do you do in a spiritual war? Stand up and don't cower With love and light

First you have to understand you do have power over these things. We have more power in us that is imaginable. And Standing up and removing the FEAR...as that is their only power over us. Remember...we are immortal beings,

I once wrote this passage I will share...and I hope it does not offend you Warriorservant..as I do go into religion..but it talks about taking back our power.

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...&postcount=100

So my take is..to take back that power...and the love and light you speak of will come naturally

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by BROOK

Not speaking of you...but there are those out there, with an agenda to have us turn away from things, and cower in a corner and recite..all is love and light...that is all that matters. So as to turn your head away from the darkness...and assume it will all be well if we just chant "love and light" But it does not work that way.

I see this ALL over the Internet. There are millions and millions of people that are (whether they realise it or not) mislead by the New Age Movement. It's a movement where everything is only skin deep. Everything is shallow. There;s absolutely NO real substance. You'll hear people say: "All is Love", "Higher Consciousness", "We ARE God", "Love and Light", some even say: "Gulliblility is GOOD!".

What the New Age Movement is -- is a mixed up crock pot that with ingredients cherry picked from all the religions and philosophies of the world (so theres NOTHING "new" about the New Age Movement). The basic method of "learning" is simply to keep having conversations, over and over again, petting each other, cheering each other, RELATING with each other and being tolerant of things you don't agree with (no matter how absurd), until you've come to a warped consensus -- and all philosophies match (or appear to match if you don't think about it too much), in some twisted hard to understand (deluded) way. However, that's ok to the participants because they're not after "truth", they're not sincere.

They're just after someone to tell them they don't have to learn anything or try or put any effort into everything and that they can just conjure up their fantasies if they all just visualize and chant for it hard enough -- because they've GIVEN UP! The New Age Movement is the "sideline bench" of life where everyone mucks around and don't care much about the game. They're school of life dropouts.

Come to think of it, I really should write a thread all about how WARPED New Age Movement beliefs are, and compare them with the sound and reasonable spiritual advice of the Bible -- considering so many people online like to go on and on about how the Bible doesn't make sense. If the Bible doesn't make sense (and is full of contradictions, as many people say) -- the New Age Movement philosophies must be the epitome of MADNESS!

Originally Posted by BROOK

i don't believe that is where you are coming from. But some of the new age movement is specifically designed to blind us from a REAL agenda.

Yes, the people I am PARTICULARLY annoyed with are those that KNOWINGLY mislead others for profit and gain. The New Age Movement money makers (and there mullions of them), taking advantage of people who are after comfort -- feeding off the meek like a cancer. Buy my book "The Path to Eternal Enlightenment" $29.95! If these people are SO concerned and have the map for the true path of enlightenment, then WHY are they selling it? Hello? The same goes for the world religions and cults by the way, which I also cannot stand.

Originally Posted by BROOK

Again...there IS a spiritual war...and manipulation of the masses in whatever way they can....they will try to achieve domination over our souls. They will use our good nature, and senses against us if we let them.

Most people don't want to know about any "spiritual war". You know why? Because it doesn't help them (necessarily) "here and now". People want "NOW". I WANT, I WANT, I WANT -- IT'S ALL ABOUT "ME", "ME" , "ME". However, to become a warrior in a spiritual war it becomes all about REAL "love". It becomes about love for others. It becomes about love for "God". But too many people are like: "Oh, do I really have to love God? Such a drag. He expects stuff like for us to follow roles and things. Nah, I just want to do what I want to do. I'm off it!". Then, to appease the friends they ahve that love God, they try to pull them down by saying: "Oh yeah, Jesus was a cool guy. He had some good ideas". Um, "good ideas"? HELLO? God is our creator. He loves us. He gave us this life as a gift. There's nothing "sad" or "hard" about loving the God that gave you your life. It's the least we can do.

[BROOK]

Come to think of it, I really should write a thread all about how WARPED New Age Movement beliefs are, and compare them with the sound and reasonable spiritual advice of the Bible -- considering so many people online like to go on and on about how the Bible doesn't make sense. If the Bible doesn't make sense (and is full of contradictions, as many people say) -- the New Age Movement philosophies must be the epitome of MADNESS!

There are many threads about this here...just look around..you'll find them

But I will also say there are hints of truth in the new age movement as well, and with any "religion"...there is some truth...the I AM..the source.

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by BROOK

But I will also say there are hints of truth in the new age movement as well, and with any "religion"...there is some truth...the I AM..the source.

There is always truth in religions and cults.

That doesn't change the fact that religions and cults are dangerous and should be kept away from.

[BROOK]

Originally Posted by WarriorServant

There is always truth in religions and cults.

That doesn't change the fact that religions and cults are dangerous and should be kept away from.

I would use discernment

And getting in touch with Source...God if you will....go straight to the source And if that means through Jesus...then so be it

[WarriorServant]

Originally Posted by BROOK

I would use discernment

And getting in touch with Source...God if you will....go straight to the source And if that means through Jesus...then so be it

The only way to the Father is through Jesus Christ. Watering down that process to "just contact source" deletes Jesus from the process. We cannot communicate with "source" / God if we do not acknowledge Jesus and believe that Jesus came to earth and died for us.

Otherwise, if we just talk about "source" as if to come across as though we're not interested in the Bible (and are ashamed to acknowledge Jesus as our Lord), then the person that hears the message gets a warped view. They will just think: "Oh, well that's just source - light" and immediately start chanting: "Love and Light, Love and Light", like a parrot.

[Sideshow Shaman]

Originally Posted by WarriorServant

The only way to the Father is through Jesus Christ. Watering down that process to "just contact source" deletes Jesus from the process. We cannot communicate with "source" / God if we do not acknowledge Jesus and believe that Jesus came to earth and died for us.

First, I thank you for posting such in depth, personal information. This is the main reason I come to Avalon, to hear from others about their own experiences. It takes a lot of effort to start & stay with a thread as you have.

If the above quoted material is rephrased in personal terms, I believe much of the 'arguing' will disappear. For example, "The only way for me to reach the Father is through Jesus Christ..." or "I cannot communicate with "source" / God if I do not acknowledge Jesus and believe that Jesus came to earth and died for me."
Most of your writing is in terms of your experience but when coming to the "Jesus" theme, it suddenly turns to absolutes. I suggest this is what people are reacting too.

Welcome to Avalon, I look forward to reading more about your experiences as you are able to share them.