Are they up there?Now what??? HMMMMM...

[Dantheman62]

Originally Posted by Swanny

IF they are up there then by all means give us a hand, but I doubt there are enough to help us out of the mess we are in.

[Swanny]

Hehe nice one Dan

[Tango]

So your telling me it's; they are like our Landlords..........


NO.....

The Elite are Nothing compared to the Power of Minds here... Elite's play with
the value of currency... It's Not Real....

It's the elite that tell you to GIVE UP... We will save you.... B.S. .....

I'm NOT giving UP MY Consciousness...Ever................ End of Story

People have to THINK their way out.... Giving Up is NOT an OPTION.

How many people on this forum are Overweight... Now, tell me about
people starving.

How much food is destroyed... Wasted food in the frig. thrown out... If I
can feed others everyone can. I give Food and Money every month to
others. Selflessly... If I can... You can... Feed others. I'm NOT willing
to knuckle under. Give UP...

Trooly,


Tango

Originally Posted by Dantheman62

[Christo888]

Tango, write one sentence that can be used to tell the world what to think in order to move the current unfolding dilemma into a positive future.

[Tango]

WE " ARE the World "....


" I'm Not willing to give up ANY of You here.... "

I'm also ' NOT ' willing to give up Your Consciousness.

I'm NOT willing to give away your childrens Freewill, choice...

I treat My neighbors the way I want to be treated...

I will decide what is good for MY Loved One's.


I understand the selfish one's also....

What would I transmit.... We don't need your help... Thanks for asking


Trooly,


Tango

[RedeZra]

why invite demons


God

is turning over

the rocks

as we speak

[viking]

Hey Tango

Yes we are the World Citizens...We are also Galactic Citizens...but people don't realize this because truth has been denied from for thousands of years...really when we are introduced to our extended family all history will be re-written.

I love that song and the words...."So we all must lend a helping hand" ... do you not think that these words would extend outwards as well...from a higher dimension.

No one is asking us to give up our conciousness and freewill. If you read the message it clearly states it is our choice. We are all blessed with freewill. You have your choice and that is perfectly ok.

Of course you treat your neighbours the way you want to be treated. Our cosmic neighbours will do the same.

Again Tango great song...this is one of my favourites...take your time to listen please...listen to the words...



viking

[burgundia]

I am with you Tango on that one. Why all the talk about how powerful we are if you really do not believe that?

[Tango]

Honestly... I try to heal those Here... And, many others... And, I know more

than what You Think about how is all works... The most valuable asset we

have is our Consciousness... That's what is always asked for. I can't help

You if you don't understand this....



I have questions for You. 2 out of 10 grown children beat their older parents.

Why...? People can Eat and watch people that are hungry... How...? And,

WHO is going to help us....? Earth, has a bunch of Cow Boys... Someone

would start shooting... Viking, I like You... I'm NOT buying what ANY are selling.

WE have to solve our own problems... Elite's. We have to Solve That problem.

Trooly,


Tango

" I'm NOT willing to give up anyone. Strike that... They can have the 0IL
people... Big Pharmaceutical manufacturers." LOL .

Originally Posted by viking

Hey Tango

Yes we are the World Citizens...We are also Galactic Citizens...but people don't realize this because truth has been denied from for thousands of years...really when we are introduced to our extended family all history will be re-written.

I love that song and the words...."So we all must lend a helping hand" ... do you not think that these words would extend outwards as well...from a higher dimension.

No one is asking us to give up our conciousness and freewill. If you read the message it clearly states it is our choice. We are all blessed with freewill. You have your choice and that is perfectly ok.

Of course you treat your neighbours the way you want to be treated. Our cosmic neighbours will do the same.

Again Tango great song...this is one of my favourites...take your time to listen please...listen to the words...



viking

[morguana]

Spot on tango very zen like in it's simplicity
Bou x

[viking]

Hi Tango

I understand all you say....I really do....

However as Waiting so eloquently pointed out....
quote...
'We are already beyond the point of helping ourselves. We are now so controlled & manipulated in every area of our lives, that we cannot sort out fact from fiction anymore. The dark elite rule and control this planet, & through their secret technologies have removed our will to stand up and be counted. We have become apathetic, dull in our responses to the human tragedy that lays before our eyes. We have been programmed to not believe what is actually there & is replaced with another more acceptable vision. Eg. we see a snake on the road, & we convince ourselves its a mouse, so that we can accept its presence. This kind of programming is subtle but very real and deadly, because it entraps us even deeper into the matrix.'

Without some real truths emerging we will forever remain in this loop...

With Disclosure or Decloaking it would be a HUGE wake up call to humanity...If you think we can do this without a VERY BIG WAKE UP...teh tell me how?

As I have stated previously...
How do we feed the 1 billion now starving and dieing each and every day? Which is controlled by the Evil elite...

How do we all get ourselves out of this financial mess.Countries in billions of debt? Which is controlled by the evil elite.

How do we stop all this killing each and every day thousands upon thousands of our brothers and sisters. Which is controlled by the evil elite.

And also how do we stop the Mass deception by the Elite of our true history...

Hey Tango I like you as well...we are all here to seek truth/preparation/ascension...but we cannot do it without a little help.

viking

[morguana]

that's just it, it will get as bad as it needs to before the world of humans wake up and do something about changing inner and outer, all of us have to stand as a united conciousness,
Untill then we would not be welcome in the bigger picture, way to aggressive a species.
Bou x

Originally Posted by boudicca

that's just it, it will get as bad as it needs to before the world of humans wake up and do something about changing inner and outer, all of us have to stand as a united conciousness,
Untill then we would not be welcome in the bigger picture, way to aggressive a species.
Bou x

This option has a high probability. It is also somewhat logical.
Human animal learns slowly while the problems escalate exponentially.

It can get bad...really bad. Most are likely to die. This is not exaggeration or fear etc it is just scaling the current problems to a would be probabilities.

Will we/they learn anything?

Given the supposed level of control and past experiences - no we will not.

[bushycat]

Will we/they learn anything?

Given the supposed level of control and past experiences - no we will not.[/QUOTE]



You have learned something, even under the supposed level of control and past experiences. You are a part of the numbers crucial to raise consciousness and Earth to a new era. It requires great focus away from the heaviness.

Love Always,
Bushycat

[morguana]

Originally Posted by bushycat

Will we/they learn anything?

Given the supposed level of control and past experiences - no we will not.

You have learned something, even under the supposed level of control and past experiences. You are a part of the numbers crucial to raise consciousness and Earth to a new era. It requires great focus away from the heaviness.

Love Always,
Bushycat[/QUOTE]

spot on bc, we are learning and learning fast concidering.......in the last 50 years we have had the luxury of moving away from survival and lower steps on maslows pyrimid to being able to have recreational time where we can if so wish look deeper into ourselves. this shift has enabled people to look for their own answers.......which should in theory lead to self actualisation/self realisation and interconnectivness.
bou x

[viking]

Jonathan

My personal response is as follows:

I accept your offer for contact and cast my vote in the affirmative upon condition of the following statements:
1. You are aligned with my highest purpose and good, AND
2. You are aligned with Christ Consciousness and the free-will principle, in particular with respect to said contact, AND
3. Any vote cast by me on behalf of this vessel may be vetoed and/or changed by my highest self, who will act as gatekeeper for any determination or act of free-will in this specific capacity, AND
4. Any act of deception by you, related associates and/or related agents with regard to items 1-3 will deem the vote null and void with prejudice and reverse any duty, obligation and/or responsibility for said vote in the affirmative.
5. You will maintain deference to my free-will/sovereignty, acting only in an advisory capacity unless full disclosure of another authorized offer can be reviewed by all parties to said offer.
6. You will be responsible for any damages and liabilities incurred as a result of said contact, whether direct or indirect, and make reasonable effort, as reasonable is defined by all parties to this offer, to assist with reparations, as reparations are defined by all parties to this offer.

Agreement with the above statements is with the following stipulations:

1) Contact is to be made during daylight hours, where craft are clearly visible to the naked eye, such that said craft may not be mistaken for any "visual or environmental anomalies", AND
2) Craft must complete a minimum of 20 minutes viewable time over a large enough coverage area that every surface being will have an adequate opportunity to observe said craft, AND
3) The wishes/desires/motives/plans of "government officialdom" are secondary to that of the free souls party to this offer, AND
4) All communications, offers, contracts in any manner or matter must be fully and immediately disclosed to all parties of this offer.

Any deviation from the stated stipulations without full consent of all parties shall nullify the contract with prejudice and hold all voting free-willed sovereign humans without liability.



So if you have certain fears, problems or other issues with regard to the offer, simply counteroffer with whatever conditions make you feel better and let your mind rest at ease. Now you are in honor on your terms!

The whole point here, of course, is to come into harmony- come to a solution that works for everyone. In this particular case, they are asking for a unified voice. Well... let's give them one!

Why don't we turn this thread into a solution thread.

My offer is this:

Everyone come up with their own personal conditions to accept an offer of contact (keep them reasonable and serious please), post them here, and I'll start working on the consensus counter-offer. If we can all reach an agreement on the terms, we will send them back our unified voice of agreement with conditions. If they are who they say they are, then there should be no problem responding with an acceptance or counter-offer of their own.

Great idea Jonathan...I agree with you here and also I agree with 14chakras statement here...

Any call I make or affirmation, I always try and say "Within God's Will" after it's done. That way, if I am not operating under my enlightened Self interest, than my request will be nullified.

Hey Swanny regarding your statement here...

Personally I don't believe we are surrounded by hundreds or thousands of space ships.
I do believe there is life out there, you would have to be stupid to think other wise, but if there are a few here watching us I don't think they will interfere with what's going on down here. As for all these so called messages from them I don't pick up a good vibe at all, in fact I think it's a massive con.
Maybe these ET's are the best liars that have ever been and can fool anyone they please. Well I'm not going for it.

I can understand your point we all want physical proof...We are forever questioning whats what and need this tangible proof otherwise we all become very dismissive...but they are up there I see them most nights...when I can afford some night goggles I'll invite you round for a show... Unless off course they have made us aware!!

This is an old Video...there are loads out there what do you suppose they are??


viking

Originally Posted by bushycat

Will we/they learn anything?

Given the supposed level of control and past experiences - no we will not.



You have learned something, even under the supposed level of control and past experiences. You are a part of the numbers crucial to raise consciousness and Earth to a new era. It requires great focus away from the heaviness.

Love Always,
Bushycat

My personal learning curve is degrading... Each year I can remember less info from the past, I need longer and longer time to put info in my head, I can hold less and less info in the head (accessible at any given time)....all this compared to when I was 13-21/22

Most of all I have much less over all energy and "enthusiasm" Feeling of being tired, fed up, bored, confused...etc

I am talking about me now, can not say this is common.

Hitting the stone whenever trying to discuss "every day life" only adds to the conclusion - that yes, people might come together when they get f*** up enough.... the key word being *MIGHT*

[bushycat]

Originally Posted by Spregovori

My personal learning curve is degrading... Each year I can remember less info from the past, I need longer and longer time to put info in my head, I can hold less and less info in the head (accessible at any given time)....all this compared to when I was 13-21/22

Most of all I have much less over all energy and "enthusiasm" Feeling of being tired, fed up, bored, confused...etc

I am talking about me now, can not say this is common.

Hitting the stone whenever trying to discuss "every day life" only adds to the conclusion - that yes, people might come together when they get f*** up enough.... the key word being *MIGHT*

Well, I made reference to what you have learned in your heart, not what you can store up from books. True, things you read or hear can inspire you to new level of knowing, though. That's why we quote the great spiritual masters on the forum. But you never know. Something Shakespeare said, or Camus, or Plato, or John Cleese or Johhny Depp. Or some diagram in geometry class might set something off in you. But if you can't remember algebra formulas anymore, it's probably just because they don't apply to you now. And what you're not recalling may be just mind chatter to who you are now.

You have learned great love; you know how to behave on this planet; you have learned to question what does not fit your reality.

As for being tired and losing enthusiasm, you're not alone. Some say it's your spirit pushing at its limitations, the confinement of 3-D body experienced by expanding lightbody. Meditation and "going inside" helps.

We can't be concerned with who won't wake up in time,except to have compassion. We can only try to stay awake ourselves and know there are many who are in the same boat with us.And that all are welcome.

Love Always,
Bushycat

Originally Posted by bushycat

Well, I made reference to what you have learned in your heart, not what you can store up from books. True, things you read or hear can inspire you to new level of knowing, though. That's why we quote the great spiritual masters on the forum. But you never know. Something Shakespeare said, or Camus, or Plato, or John Cleese or Johhny Depp. Or some diagram in geometry class might set something off in you. But if you can't remember algebra formulas anymore, it's probably just because they don't apply to you now. And what you're not recalling may be just mind chatter to who you are now.

You have learned great love; you know how to behave on this planet; you have learned to question what does not fit your reality.

As for being tired and losing enthusiasm, you're not alone. Some say it's your spirit pushing at its limitations, the confinement of 3-D body experienced by expanding lightbody. Meditation and "going inside" helps.

We can't be concerned with who won't wake up in time,except to have compassion. We can only try to stay awake ourselves and know there are many who are in the same boat with us.And that all are welcome.

Love Always,
Bushycat

Thank you

My "spirit" is confused (just as much as I am). There is this "thing" that is telling me: as much good as you can do, as much harm you can do.

I do try to use that to imagine the most "flawless" future... a Paragon. Most of it looks like a fiction, and it is not the technology SF, it is the way we live, the way things are.

To not go too much off topic - I agree with the "we must help ourselves" idea. We can get spoiled if we do not. It would be "unwise" if the ET descent and...give us all food dispenser. Like parents...giving their child everything the moment it demands it...

But at the same time I would not mind them giving us some "emotional support". Like making themselves known (indisputably). Just that. That would give the majority of population a little "shock treatment" (which if used correctly can lead into a wake-up call) If used incorrectly it can also potentially lead into a disaster...but disaster is also what has a good chance to come in to reality.

People...so full of...themselves...

It always reminds me on this video clip

[bushycat]

Originally Posted by Spregovori

Thank you

My "spirit" is confused (just as much as I am). There is this "thing" that is telling me: as much good as you can do, as much harm you can do.

I do try to use that to imagine the most "flawless" future... a Paragon. Most of it looks like a fiction, and it is not the technology SF, it is the way we live, the way things are.

To not go too much off topic - I agree with the "we must help ourselves" idea. We can get spoiled if we do not. It would be "unwise" if the ET descent and...give us all food dispenser. Like parents...giving their child everything the moment it demands it...

But at the same time I would not mind them giving us some "emotional support". Like making themselves known (indisputably). Just that. That would give the majority of population a little "shock treatment" (which if used correctly can lead into a wake-up call) If used incorrectly it can also potentially lead into a disaster...but disaster is also what has a good chance to come in to reality.

People...so full of...themselves...

It always reminds me on this video clip

YouTube- Jiddu Krishnamurti Start @ Zeitgeist Addendum

You are very conscienscious and pretty wise. Everything is important. But most especially our focus.
It seems really boring to be "saved" by anything other than ourselves. We are an amazing story.
I also imagine your Paragon.
P.S. Nice V. clip.

BC

[mudra]

While we look for the Light outside of ourselves to lit up the world as we expect the sun to rise everyday there is a light that we carry within ourselves . We have to realize that we are our own sun our own Light . So within so without. Expectations come by lack of in-lightment .
What needs to come in the open..to our awareness is our soul foundation for without this the world will continue to be ridden like a car that has no conscious driver .


Love Always
mudra

[Christo888]

Originally Posted by mudra

While we look for the Light outside of ourselves to lit up the world as we expect the sun to rise everyday there is a light that we carry within ourselves . We have to realize that we are our own sun our own Light . So within so without. Expectations come by lack of in-lightment .
What needs to come in the open..to our awareness is our soul foundation for without this the world will continue to be ridden like a car that has no conscious driver .


Love Always
mudra

I wonder if that is how the characterization of the 'Silver Surfer' was formed?

Silver Soul inside the clouds.

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by viking

As I have stated previously...
How do we feed the 1 billion now starving and dieing each and every day? Which is controlled by the Evil elite...

How do we all get ourselves out of this financial mess.Countries in billions of debt? Which is controlled by the evil elite.

How do we stop all this killing each and every day thousands upon thousands of our brothers and sisters. Which is controlled by the evil elite.

And also how do we stop the Mass deception by the Elite if our true history...

the ruling Elite is a cancer that will have to be cut out of the body of humanity

see to it that you do not feed this cancer and help where you can

Leave the conversion and the cutting to God

[Swanny]

Personally I don't believe we are surrounded by hundreds or thousands of space ships.
I do believe there is life out there, you would have to be stupid to think other wise, but if there are a few here watching us I don't think they will interfere with what's going on down here. As for all these so called messages from them I don't pick up a good vibe at all, in fact I think it's a massive con.
Maybe these ET's are the best liars that have ever been and can fool anyone they please. Well I'm not going for it.

(Waiting for the I don't vibrate at a high enough frequency remark)

Saying that I would be happy to be proved wrong.

[morguana]

Swanny your not vibrating enough!
Bou x