Between Lives - A Deeper Look

[eleni]

Scientology clearing method, right?
Thanks for putting this out there.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by eleni

Scientology clearing method, right?
Thanks for putting this out there.

Clearing Credits

Hello there Eleni,

I suppose so in that we picked through Hubbards early work and went off in a simpler direction, learning from his "errors" so to speak. We go looking for the "Key-In Mechanism" and that has been making clears and clearing very straightforward. It's a bit like pulling the keystone out of the arch.

By the time one gets to the first basic incident where it all began (I'll let that be your mystery to solve, lol) one has seen so much of their own "hyperhistory" that they will no longer be the simple but naive being they were. Truth revealed over and over again tends to drive in the point, lol.

It felt at first like being a happy deer in the headlights -- "what just hit me!!???" LOL Now it is a period of new establishment and good changes. Oh, I could go on and on about this quantum jump in my spiritual awakening.

No disrespect for the man intended because he was a great compiler: There is no way I could have or would have waded through the Vedas and all the other references he acknowledged to extract this very effective clearing process, and I certainly don't have the IQ level he had to do the kind of research he did. Much respect for the man therefore.

I just saw that the Buffalo Church announced two new Clears -- I am very happy for those two people and what I know they did to lighten up the world around them. It probably cost them a lot more in dollars and time than it did for me though and they will have fewer freedoms (and corresponding responsibilities) than I do.

When I read about the state of Boddhisattva and Boddhicitta it describes very very well what state of being I have entered into by my own courageous looking and clearing. So the making of "Clears" is really an ancient practice.

I would like to see the word "Clear" and the universal concept behind it become common knowledge without cult or religious controls. In our household it is not uncommon to ask, "have you done your clearing work today?" sort of like "did you do the laundry today?"

I wish to also give credit to John Galusha's work, called Idenics, and credit to my very beloved PEAT instructor, Karen Gould and all the people who tried desperately to help me and "failed". No you did not fail, I just took so long.

Our look into between lives implants you might find interesting -- over at this thread: http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=17233&highlight=nannies

blessings,
gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Does anyone else have an experience to add to this thread?

[TraineeHuman]

Hello Gnosis5. I have a different perspective on what happens to people in the between-lives area. This sometimes leads to a quite different take on many of the things you describe.

Ten years ago I did have what I would regard as a similar experience to yours of “dropping” a former dead body” of mine that I had been “carrying around” throughout my present lifetime. However, I don’t consider it to have been so much a "body” but rather a former personality of mine. This was the personality of a fourth-century Chinese Ch’an Buddhist monk.

My perception and understanding is that whenever a person dies, their personality gets split off from them. However, the personality, being an electromagnetic field with lots of structure and information and life-force and a little consciousness in it, lives on in the 4th dimension for centuries (though some lesser fragments break off just after death).

That monk-personality was a real pest to me because it believed it knew what was best for me, being very expert one me, or so it believed. The only trouble was, it was stuck in fourth century Chinese values, such as that it’s extremely dishonorable for a spiritual person like me to be financially well-off in any way, or that sexuality is an undesirable and inconvenient weakness, and so on. These values are quite dysfunctional for my twenty-first century life. But the monk-personality, which had become powerful through much meditation and a disciplined life, knew how to frequently sabotage things I did which it disapproved of.

The point is, it seems to me that what you are mostly if not entirely dealing with in your between-lives investigations are your past personalities, and it seems you are wrongly assuming these don’t get separated off from you at death. It’s certainly true that most people are very, very attached to their own past lifetimes’ personalities. This is a huge problem, and it doesn’t surprise me to hear that benevolent ETs are engaged in strategies to help overcome it – certainly in our own interests. By the way, as far as I understand, most of the entities that scientologists call “attaching thetans” are in fact some of the individual’s past-lifetime personalities.

Given where you are focusing your attention, it hardly surprises me that you haven’t come across the guardian angels, who basically don’t bother with the now-dead personality but only with the being.

Another area of confusion (among many confusions) that many people have is that sometimes people start deliberately listening to one of their former personalities as a “guide” – which is a disastrous thing to do.

[Gnosis5]

It is interesting what you are telling me about your own experience. I appreciate the data. Glad to hear you saw some truly good angels.

Of course, in my clearing work I am not needing to see the good angels. I'm clearing out traumatic incidents such as what occurred in my between lives area. The more such clearing work I do the more my tone or vibrations raise and the more I get to see the good angels (out of session of course).

Bottom line is whether or not the person dissipates negative charge while reviewing the incident. This is my chosen path to clearing. I wouldn't care if someone told me he was seeing purple elephants with spots, as long as he is dissipating negative charge and banishes some fixed behaviors.

Pain-drugs-hypnosis, from what I am seeing is the woof and warp of implanters and they have a thousand different possible scenarios running, and I have seen in my own spiritual history that they have been doing this for eons. It is just a job to them and they are quite robotic about it.

Wish I could be working on a higher plane as you infer you are, but this is where and what I got myself into and this is what I am getting myself out of. You can betcha I won't be meeting up with little greys and reptilians next in-between lives :-)

The rest of the stuff you write about I cannot comment on because #1) I am not as schooled as you are in Scientology, and #2) I have not seen what you are talking about in my past life review sessions or anyone else's clearing sessions. And left brain realities don't hold as much sway for me as they used to

The point I really wanted to make is that when anyone decides to hire a therapist to help them go and look into the between lives area, to be sure the therapist asks for "anything hidden or invisible", or some such wording. The first scanning of a past life or between lives or, especially a this lifetime abduction, may bring up only the feel good part of the incident -- the part the implanters want one to remember.

After my latest abduction I actually argued with my long time counselor, insisting that these beings were awesome and wonderful and loving and wise, blah, blah, blah. I'm so glad I went into session with him and found out what the purpose was of that little silver pen was they were aiming at me.

I told my counselor that they were feeding their emotions to me through that little silver pen because they could not express their emotions to me directly. Since my counselor has heard this B.S. more than once before he was quite equanimious about the whole thing and did manage to get me to reluctantly agree to go and look at what occurred the rest of the time I was on their science ship.

I'm not saying they were good or bad, since those are simply polarities, just that the methods they used violated my rights as a being and created some negative response on my part (all nicely forgotten though), which I had to spend time to recover my full memory of the event and to blow off the negative charge caused by my own resistance, which was hidden from me until I went into a superconscious state to recover the data. I found out they weren't as nice and do-good as they first led me to believe, but even though they did not really care at all about me, it in the end worked out to my advantage and everyone had a consciousness raising experience before the session was finished.

Any being who operates on the philosophy that the ends justify the means, especially in justifying pain-drugs-hypnosis combined with implanted messages and emotional states, needs a consciousness raising experience :-)

[TraineeHuman]

Gnosis5, I agree it’s true that we can evolve spiritually only by facing the reality of where we are at, which does include facing all the undesirable habits. However, I believe the best way to do that may not necessarily be the way you – and I assume most scientologists – do it. I can relate an anecdote in support of my claim.

Sufiism has three sects. Of these, the “advanced” sect are the Nashqbandi. Its two High Sheiks (its heads) used to frequently travel around the entire world, to interview all the spiritual teachers and telepathically take in everything they had to teach. They found the homes of all such teachers purely through using blind clairvoyance/telepathy. Maybe the High Sheiks continue to do this to this day. But I know they visited Australia in the late 1970s. At that time they visited, among others, a man who was my therapist and spiritual teacher at the time. He had been a staff member of scientology, but dropped out in 1977 to start his own practice using some scientology techniques. According to a sign at the Sydney headquarters, he was one of the first scientology “clears” in Sydney.

The sheiks camped their tent in his living room for two weeks. He said they proceeded to use telepathy to go through his mind to search out every detail of what he knew, as if they were searching through a filing cabinet. At the end of this, they told him their conclusion. They told him that he was “determined to cross the quicksand by wading through it, instead of by flying over it”. According to them, this wouldn’t work very effectively. There was an easier way, they said.

So I don’t believe it’s a matter of having to wade through all one’s negativity before one is ready to for more positive things.

[TraineeHuman]

Gnosis5, it looks like you also encounter positive beings some of the time, after all. You mentioned Maitreya, and that lecture by Hubbard in Philadelphia.

Yes, you’re right. My preferred approach to self-development these days involves usually accessing positive beings, such as guardian angels and healing angels, and also my Higher Self as far as possible. But they usually all turn up whenever I begin doing meditation, and stay at least until I finish. I’ve observed that a number of other people I know who are experienced meditators have something similar happen to them while they meditate. As far as I understand, the angels download helpful positive information into my mind/heart and remove some of the energies of undesirable habits by guiding me to relevant insights. Usually I’m not aware of the content of their information at the time, but I invariably feel a strong tingling at some point of my head. Sometimes it feels like part of the skull or head has been cut open. Occasionally I manage to tune in to what they want to communicate to me. Certainly, it does help to eventually identify and face exactly what info they have been giving. But this approach is kind of like having a sea of positivity that gradually but precisely comes to envelop islands of negativity within it.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by TraineeHuman

Gnosis5, it looks like you also encounter positive beings some of the time, after all. You mentioned Maitreya, and that lecture by Hubbard in Philadelphia.

Yes, you’re right. My preferred approach to self-development these days involves usually accessing positive beings, such as guardian angels and healing angels, and also my Higher Self as far as possible. But they usually all turn up whenever I begin doing meditation, and stay at least until I finish. I’ve observed that a number of other people I know who are experienced meditators have something similar happen to them while they meditate. As far as I understand, the angels download helpful positive information into my mind/heart and remove some of the energies of undesirable habits by guiding me to relevant insights. Usually I’m not aware of the content of their information at the time, but I invariably feel a strong tingling at some point of my head. Sometimes it feels like part of the skull or head has been cut open. Occasionally I manage to tune in to what they want to communicate to me. Certainly, it does help to eventually identify and face exactly what info they have been giving. But this approach is kind of like having a sea of positivity that gradually but precisely comes to envelop islands of negativity within it.

What you describe indicates to me as a valid part of the whole picture, truth seeming to have almost infinite layers, until even truth disappears at the point of the original Static, but since I have barely been there I can only tell you what others report in their sessions.

I recall a lifetime as a priestess in an Arcturian system and we likewise appealed to other beings for guidance and support and the people came to us for assistance with their problems. Now beings (some are large fields of consciousness) come to me while I am having a session, and they either 1) wish to stop or swerve my sessions, or 2) receive a session for themselves. No one goes away unhappy or without having their consciousness raised :-)

Implanters are a part of the picture, not the whole, but a part, even though they have been doing their work for eons (they are connected with hyperversals). They love playing angel and devil, sort of like good cop/bad cop, and the fact that I also played both sides of all the games that exist, makes me somewhat vulnerable. Thus, better for me to be wary like a fox.

At Static one sees how they themselves created all this "Divine Comedy" and that helps one pull oneself out of the spiritual quicksand they got themselves into. Even the Maitreya being who connected with me in a very beautiful mockup, dropped his golden suit and ascended right in front of my spiritual vision. What is it about my techniques that Maitreya likes and supports?

George Kasavalas speaks verily when he warns others about the methods of the implanters: Whatever we created and then denied we become the unwilling effect of. This is why I suggest people take a deeper and closer look at their guides and angelic experiences....and keep one's own counsel.

Any being (or machine) who can read your mind can "play" you if that is their intention. What one chooses to remain ignorant about can adversely affect them. Thus I publish

Once again, thank you for the data, and I have taken counsel with myself regarding the data. Too bad they did not widely publish their compiled results.

best,
gnosis

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by TraineeHuman

Gnosis5, I agree it’s true that we can evolve spiritually only by facing the reality of where we are at, which does include facing all the undesirable habits. However, I believe the best way to do that may not necessarily be the way you – and I assume most scientologists – do it. I can relate an anecdote in support of my claim.

Sufiism has three sects. Of these, the “advanced” sect are the Nashqbandi. Its two High Sheiks (its heads) used to frequently travel around the entire world, to interview all the spiritual teachers and telepathically take in everything they had to teach. They found the homes of all such teachers purely through using blind clairvoyance/telepathy. Maybe the High Sheiks continue to do this to this day. But I know they visited Australia in the late 1970s. At that time they visited, among others, a man who was my therapist and spiritual teacher at the time. He had been a staff member of scientology, but dropped out in 1977 to start his own practice using some scientology techniques. According to a sign at the Sydney headquarters, he was one of the first scientology “clears” in Sydney.

The sheiks camped their tent in his living room for two weeks. He said they proceeded to use telepathy to go through his mind to search out every detail of what he knew, as if they were searching through a filing cabinet. At the end of this, they told him their conclusion. They told him that he was “determined to cross the quicksand by wading through it, instead of by flying over it”. According to them, this wouldn’t work very effectively. There was an easier way, they said.

So I don’t believe it’s a matter of having to wade through all one’s negativity before one is ready to for more positive things.

Thank you for further clarification. What you are telling me is very intriguing and I would certainly like to know what they themselves compiled at the end of their project. Would save me a lot of compiling work :-) I am of the mindset that any technology or technique can be improved upon.

Yes, I know my path, basically a ramped up version of Dianetics, can be a lug at times: Like hacking through a thorny jungle covered mountain (of one's own creation) until one finally reaches the altitude where there are sweet meadows with songbirds :-) The path does lead back to first separation from Static though, and processing from that viewpoint makes it worth the lug.

Flying over the quicksand is something I have a heavy suspicion that I have done in other schools other lifetimes -- and here I am again :=( -- ruled by aspects I identify with, so I thought I would try something different this time around :-) If the only way "out" is through then I might be onto something.

Also, please consider this, after wading through some quicksand for many sessions I finally popped out of the Stream of Life. And out of session, I have also visited the two universes above, and the universe below (talk about quicksand!). I'm not saying that as bragging about myself but more about the results, to give you some more data about what's going on with me.

Have you considered that we also may be representing two poles? For example, looking at your idea (flying over) and looking at mine (slugging through) I see how the two could interact with each other or support each other and not be opposed at all.

For example, if it always holds true that everytime a being runs a "flying over" process they will automatically stimulate an incident that tells them they cannot do that, would not running out the incident they are sitting in be in order?

If you have more specifics then I can participate better in the discussion. I really appreciate the data you have already given me. This is not the first time I have been told this, mostly by the beings who did not lose all their magic when they dropped down here. I could also see children being able to run lighter processes.

BTW, I do recall going to a "flying" school and it was tres cool :-) I'm not flying now though [whine] :-(

cheers!
colleen

[TraineeHuman]

I would certainly like to know what they themselves compiled at the end of their project. Would save me a lot of compiling work :-) I am of the mindset that any technology or technique can be improved upon.

Unfortunately, Colleen, the Sheiks apparently said that wading through the quicksand doesn’t work (at least, I presume, generally speaking) to get you “over to the other side”. Even if they had published a report, surely it would still have been asserting the same conclusion.

However, there’s a certain amount of truth in your point that “wading” and “flying over” are in some sense two different poles of the same thing. I guess the objection to “wading” might be expressed as:

“There’s no need to become an alcoholic in order to see and understand how destructive alcoholism is.”

In “reply”, you or a scientologist might point out that e.g. scientologists don’t indulge the desire to murder somebody they happen to hate. Rather, they indulge that desire under (supposedly) safe conditions and thereby remove such a desire from their system. My counter to that might be:

“The only effective and permanent cure for alcoholism, once the physical addiction has been cured, is to find something positive from which the person obtains greater satisfaction or pleasure than he/she did from drinking. It’s a matter of getting the person to ignore the negative by concentrating on something positive.”

I do know that traditionally, many Muslims considered they knew these Nashqbandi Sheikhs to be “Lords of karma”. One thing I understaned that implied would be that the Sheikhs do have some kind of influence on what positive ideas get “planted” in human civilization. (Maybe they did “table their report”!) Well, it was Freud’s idea that psychotherapy or liberation of the psyche amounted to recalling all your unpleasant experiences from the past and facing them. Hubbard was strongly influenced by and followed Freud on some points, including this one. With the passage of the years, Freudian psychotherapy was replaced by behavior therapy (“carrot and stick” therapy). Recently, in social work and similar fields, behavior therapy has been found to be less effective and also not yielding of as quick results as “person-centred psychotherapy/ psychology”. The latter is all about self-esteem. It’s all about building a person’s self-liking and self-acceptance and self-forgiveness and feeling of being valuable first, and only then getting them to face and take responsibility for their weaknesses and failures – i.e., to do it from a happy or a “winner’s” perspective. This does also involve learning how to “embrace your shadow side”, but only after you have first embraced your Higher Self.

You raise many issues and I can only comment on a few at a time.

[TraineeHuman]

Implanters are a part of the picture, not the whole, but a part, even though they have been doing their work for eons (they are connected with hyperversals). They love playing angel and devil, sort of like good cop/bad cop, and the fact that I also played both sides of all the games that exist, makes me somewhat vulnerable. Thus, better for me to be wary like a fox.

At Static one sees how they themselves created all this "Divine Comedy" and that helps one pull oneself out of the spiritual quicksand they got themselves into. Even the Maitreya being who connected with me in a very beautiful mockup, dropped his golden suit and ascended right in front of my spiritual vision. What is it about my techniques that Maitreya likes and supports?

George Kasavalas speaks verily when he warns others about the methods of the implanters: Whatever we created and then denied we become the unwilling effect of. This is why I suggest people take a deeper and closer look at their guides and angelic experiences....and keep one's own counsel.

Any being (or machine) who can read your mind can "play" you if that is their intention. What one chooses to remain ignorant about can adversely affect them. Thus I publish

I’m quite aware of the existence of what you call “implanters”. Maybe I can say more at another time. The first question I would ask, though, is: “Do you, or did you, create full psychic protection around yourself before taking part in a process?” Personally, I go to great lengths to create a number of different kinds of psychic protection before I do anything or go anywhere. As far as I’m aware, it works. (A similar opinion is ahred by many who are expert in fields such as psychic healing and so on.) There was a thread a couple of days ago regarding orgone energy. Supposedly, orgone energy wards off negative intelligences. I do, for example, also have an orgone accumulator in my living room.

It would take much too long to explain why I consider I know for certain that the beings I identify as guardian angels and healing angels actually are that. (And yes, I know, they come from the sixth dimension and therefore operate at such a subtle level it takes considerable skill to manage to identify them with any accuracy.) I do trust them, and these days I don't question their motives, I have to admit. But I do question everybody else's motives frequently, including my own.

Here are just a couple of my thoughts, though. I’m aware that various beings in the fourth dimension can be very deceptive. Nevertheless, if you challenge them by saying something like: “Show me your essence” and holding that thought still, in my experience they have no option but to drop their misleading façade. Completely. Then, in the sixth dimension, in my experience, what you see is what you get. There simply is no lying or insincerity there. The fifth dimension seems to be almost as good too, in my experience.

Another point is that if you keep looking kind of obsessively at your negatives in detail, you open yourself up to the whole world of negative vibrations, and therefore to the homeworld and the temptations of deceitful beings. Unfortunately, it doesn’t matter how much mud you wipe away, when you’re in a quagmire.

[greybeard]

Hi
I notice well intended advice on alcoholism ie in essence it is suggested to find something that will give equal pay value and be positive.
Unfortunately have been a peforming alcholic I can say it isent quite that simple.
12 steps of AA work for a lot of people.
In simplicity alcoholism is a mental physical and spiritual illness so these thee parts must be addressed.
When one stops drinking all the character defects that in part led to excessive drinking are still there and have to be removed or drinking will resume.

Between lives,
When a Sage dies the energy is still available. We may perhaps find prayer to Jesus helpful for example.
When we die according to Dr Hawkins we gravitate automatically to a realm concordant with our spiritual energy. It therefore "pays" to be kind and forgiving as each thought and action raises or lowers our vibration.
Seems also that to begin with we move temporalily to the heaven of our dreams. That may be brought about by the brain still functioning at some level as we go through the death process.
Some can remember being in between lives I cant. Enough to process in this one.

The problem of delving into any ngativity is that its a can of worms,, no end to it.
So its better to process context rather than content.

Ie the belief that there is an enemy out there covers a multitude of sins.
So if that belief is surrendered at great depth to God then a mass of negativity is delt with. You have to surrender like you mean it--- so to speak.

Realize its a bit of topic but it may be helpful.

Chris

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi
I notice well intended advice on alcoholism ie in essence it is suggested to find something that will give equal pay value and be positive.
Unfortunately have been a peforming alcholic I can say it isent quite that simple.
12 steps of AA work for a lot of people.
In simplicity alcoholism is a mental physical and spiritual illness so these thee parts must be addressed.
When one stops drinking all the character defects that in part led to excessive drinking are still there and have to be removed or drinking will resume.

Between lives,
When a Sage dies the energy is still available. We may perhaps find prayer to Jesus helpful for example.
When we die according to Dr Hawkins we gravitate automatically to a realm concordant with our spiritual energy. It therefore "pays" to be kind and forgiving as each thought and action raises or lowers our vibration.
Seems also that to begin with we move temporalily to the heaven of our dreams. That may be brought about by the brain still functioning at some level as we go through the death process.
Some can remember being in between lives I cant. Enough to process in this one.

The problem of delving into any ngativity is that its a can of worms,, no end to it.
So its better to process context rather than content.

Ie the belief that there is an enemy out there covers a multitude of sins.
So if that belief is surrendered at great depth to God then a mass of negativity is delt with. You have to surrender like you mean it--- so to speak.

Realize its a bit of topic but it may be helpful.

Chris

Chris, you make a more complete picture than I made in this thread and posting this thread was not meant to deny other people's levels of awareness or higher vibrations, but only with what I experienced at my then vibrations when I died last lifetime. I definitely got what I vibrationally deserved :-) I too am aware of a more whole picture.

But, see! now I'm laughing whereas before I was not laughing. What got me out was going in and looking at what got me in, in the first place. I simply went for the full truth revolving around my particular between lives experiences, and I broke out of agreement with the unconscious type commands and messages that were heavily laid in on me. The best therapies address a being where he/she is at.

Last lifetime I died a miserable and deserved death. This lifetime I will die happy because I chose a different path, a more consistent consciousness raising path. This lifetime has been a big turnaround for me, and probably you have reason to feel the same way about your life. Saved at the last hour, so to speak LOL!

All worked out for good, for now I can at least be of service to others who have experienced the same level of treatment I experienced. I also no longer have any energy ridges or negative emotions towards implanters. We have all most likely been there and done that too: Looking at hundreds of past life recalls is a type of "education".

I'm sure hoping that next between lives I will choose to experience more clarity and remembrance and compassion. Perhaps someday I will be one of the good angels that gives people the courage to continue on their journey of awakening

And there will come a time when we can put away our angels and guides and 12 dimensions, and stand alone secure in our own love/truth/power by right of our Divine connectedness.

love,
gnosis

[greybeard]

Well said Gnosis5
Think you make a great job of relaying your experiences.
There seems to be a process that is unique to us that we go through.
I had to go through "house clearing" .
Twelve steps of AA as mentioned.
Bio-energy Chakra clearing.
Reiki.
Yoga.
Hypnotherapy.
I was a work aholic, Sport aholic, Playing in band aholic, everything so intense.
So a lot had to be cleared and the ego is still work in progress.

In our uniqueness whatever works Gnosis5.

With love Chris

[Gnosis5]

Unique is our middle names The more we become ourselves the more unique and monotonously unpredictable we are :-)

Like you, I had to work through some similar compulsions. If one learns well whatever technique or practices they are currently involved in, why switch if it is helping one to hold their space and improve themselves.

Once I learn well what I am currently engaged with I will KNOW when it is time to "graduate" to some other clearing technology

My message to people is, "for god's sake, just do something to balance out a culture that is a heavily weighted materialistic and sensualistic society."

Maybe I just don't move in the right circles -- I think my improved vibrations are moving me into a different and finer level of society that I previously had only a vague awareness of.

Thus, she writes,
Gnosis

[greybeard]

Hi again Gnosis5
Eckhart Tolle in his book "A New Earth" says the world needs people who do nothing in order to balance the the frenetic energy of those rushing about trying to make a few bob = Dollars in American language
Im trying real hard to do nothing

He also said that the Therapists are the anchor which is holding the new energy coming in.
So there you have it.
With love
Chris
PS

Love your avatar. Story is that the swan is the only entity that can separate milk from water/

Paramahansa (swan I think) (cant spell) Yogananda was so called because he could discern/ separate truth from falsehood.

[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by greybeard

Hi again Gnosis5
Eckhart Tolle in his book "A New Earth" says the world needs people who do nothing in order to balance the the frenetic energy of those rushing about trying to make a few bob = Dollars in American language
Im trying real hard to do nothing

He also said that the Therapists are the anchor which is holding the new energy coming in.
So there you have it.
With love
Chris
PS

Love your avatar. Story is that the swan is the only entity that can separate milk from water/

Paramahansa (swan I think) (cant spell) Yogananda was so called because he could discern/ separate truth from falsehood.

Oh,, goodness! Really? Parmahansa?!? Wow! I had a very interesting experience with him: One day I asked my cat, "Where is Paramahansa?" and cat immediately looked above my head. She knew too, smartie cat

Regarding therapists, one day I found myself floating up to the top of this universe, went through a membrane and found one person I wished to communicate with in the next universe up and then I floated some more into another universe clustered up against the two universes below.

There I saw a huge sandstone colored flat carving (like a complex crop circle) and the part the beings were showing me was how money works. The schematic said, "those who are bright and educated and provide a very good service have money. Those who steal it lose it." Then they told me I could change it if I wanted to. Right then I decided to make sure that spiritual clearing therapies would be added to the registry of valuable services.

Thank you Eckhart Tolle for acknowledging the people who work hard for our personal awakening and get great pleasure in participating in our progress.

cheers!
Gnosis

[TraineeHuman]

Gnosis5:
My sincere apologies if you should find this post not directly relevant to the topic. I’d like to bring up your experiences with Maitreya. Firstly, I take it your experience of him was of a being who was a very positive influencer. By contrast, I take it that any “implanter,” as you use that term, is a negative influencer – where I take it “negative” means manipulative in a way that’s deceptive or not in one’s best interests? What I have in mind is that looking at the difference between how positive influencers and negative influencers work may provide a useful insight or extra perspective. It seems to be helpful for me, at least.

The second reason I’m bringing up Maitreya is that I want to explain what I see as the significance of his communicating to you. This is purely based on my own experiences, and is 100% my own opinion. It so happens I have also had a small number of experiences where a god/Buddha/Christ has communicated to me at considerable length, kind of like a personalized lecture, or two. In each case, that communication happened shortly before I went through a major breakthrough to a whole new level. And the information and insights communicated to me were basically just the right “tools” to greatly facilitate my transition and my new life. In each case, for me, the change involved a huge shakeup of many of the methods or techniques and so on that I had been using for self (spiritual)-development.

Anyway, I’d therefore like to acknowledge, if I may, that I know your encounter with Maitreya was really something.

[Gnosis5]

Hi, there, I had a nice valentine's day/7th anninversary dinner with Hubby and it was quite different and improved, all due to my dedication to my personal clearing work. Hubby and I have an agreement that I go first and then it's his turn :-)

I hope you enjoyed your Valentine too :-)

Agreed, there is a certain amount of comfort knowing that one has friends in higher places, and once my higher self pretended to be Jesus Christ just to get me to listen :-) My higher self has a quirky sense of humor, lol.

There is a thread I started here about Higher Self: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...ghlight=higher

I really don't wish to dilute an important message regarding the implanters. They are called implanters because they implant through pain-drugs-hypnosis whatever messages and commands needed to make a believer out of one. They know better than you do what you are capable of if you ever recovered your memories of your ability to instantly manifest with a mere thought. You could wreak havoc, and they are terrified that you might do to them what they would do to you if they had that kind of power. They lost it too, which is why they resort to electronics, albeit quite sophisticated compared to earth technology.

They were only "bad" or negative to the extent that I agreed to be the effect of their processes and refused to confront my past associations with them. They mean to enslave through pain-drugs-hypnosis, lowering consciousness.

I mean to make freed men and raise consciousness, and my actions will close down their shops forever and bring them back to their connectedness with their Source. Most of them really don't want to be doing what they are doing, they simply got implanted themselves, gave up their personal integrity.

My simple R3X processes work on them very well. Sometimes I simply ask them, "Who are you?" with the intention that they say "me", and when they realize their clear and clean "me-ness" they voluntarily return to their Source.

The lynchpin of their "power" that has to be pulled is the forgetter mechanism they install over many thousands of other forgetter mechanisms that were priorly installed. That is why I insist that when someone works with a therapist to recover any incident that has a forgetter command implanted, it is very important to ask the question, "Is there anything in this incident that is hidden?" Or some such wording. A therapist who has experience working to help people recover from abduction traumas knows how well hidden these incidents are. My own counselor also has extensive experience helping people recover lost time due to abductions.

I am getting to the point, in my volunteer work, of being able to listen to a person and from what they are telling me, I can tell if they have had an abduction and implanting incident. The implanters install good memories over the bad memories and many many times I see a person fight very hard to keep the good memories and resist taking a deeper look because they are afraid they might become disillusioned and lose the belief they have been given.

I understand what they are feeling because I felt the same way after my last abduction. I really did not want to go into session to recover any further memories of the abduction incident. Now I'm glad I did, and losing my faith in this latest round of implanters closed the gap between our oppositional purposes. Everyone had a chance to have a consciousness raising experience before my session was over.

These days, when I go into a clearing session, I go right back to the event and can be there in person and do whatever is called for at that time of the incident. This is a form of time travel, and like a time traveller I have some leeway to tweak the incident in favor of raising consciousness for everyone involved. Implanters call them "time shifters". This planet could use a few more armchair warriors

cheers!
gnosis

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[Gnosis5]

Originally Posted by TraineeHuman

Unfortunately, Colleen, the Sheiks apparently said that wading through the quicksand doesn’t work (at least, I presume, generally speaking) to get you “over to the other side”. Even if they had published a report, surely it would still have been asserting the same conclusion.

However, there’s a certain amount of truth in your point that “wading” and “flying over” are in some sense two different poles of the same thing. I guess the objection to “wading” might be expressed as:

“There’s no need to become an alcoholic in order to see and understand how destructive alcoholism is.”

In “reply”, you or a scientologist might point out that e.g. scientologists don’t indulge the desire to murder somebody they happen to hate. Rather, they indulge that desire under (supposedly) safe conditions and thereby remove such a desire from their system. My counter to that might be:

“The only effective and permanent cure for alcoholism, once the physical addiction has been cured, is to find something positive from which the person obtains greater satisfaction or pleasure than he/she did from drinking. It’s a matter of getting the person to ignore the negative by concentrating on something positive.”

I do know that traditionally, many Muslims considered they knew these Nashqbandi Sheikhs to be “Lords of karma”. One thing I understaned that implied would be that the Sheikhs do have some kind of influence on what positive ideas get “planted” in human civilization. (Maybe they did “table their report”!) Well, it was Freud’s idea that psychotherapy or liberation of the psyche amounted to recalling all your unpleasant experiences from the past and facing them. Hubbard was strongly influenced by and followed Freud on some points, including this one. With the passage of the years, Freudian psychotherapy was replaced by behavior therapy (“carrot and stick” therapy). Recently, in social work and similar fields, behavior therapy has been found to be less effective and also not yielding of as quick results as “person-centred psychotherapy/ psychology”. The latter is all about self-esteem. It’s all about building a person’s self-liking and self-acceptance and self-forgiveness and feeling of being valuable first, and only then getting them to face and take responsibility for their weaknesses and failures – i.e., to do it from a happy or a “winner’s” perspective. This does also involve learning how to “embrace your shadow side”, but only after you have first embraced your Higher Self.

You raise many issues and I can only comment on a few at a time.

If the psychotherapies you adhere to are working for you then your reality is to be respected and you do not need to get the backing or validation or anyone or experience any need to convert others to your approach. Same with my own realities and I don't need to cite "authorities" or convert anyone to R3X. :-)

BTW, this is getting off-topic and how does what you are writing about directly tie in with the discoveries I made of between lives implanters?

My thread is a warning about implanters and an example of how to directly address this issue. If you can contribute to a reduction of the problem some people are having with these fellas please post here, thank you.

There is enough empirical evidence to show that there are implanters and there are implanters that operate on a person in between lives. My thread is published as a Public Service Announcement regarding my personal experience with between lives implanters and implantation methodologies, and how I beat the System :-)

cheers!
gnosis

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Quote: "Another point is that if you keep looking kind of obsessively at your negatives in detail, you open yourself up to the whole world of negative vibrations, and therefore to the homeworld and the temptations of deceitful beings. Unfortunately, it doesn’t matter how much mud you wipe away, when you’re in a quagmire."

Since I have heard this argument before I know this is not your original thought, therefore I leave the arguing up to you and your opinion leaders :-)

cheers!
gnosis