Here is Why I am Concerned - Dreams

[Moxie]

"I believe that there is ONE truth and ONE reality -- and we need to all head in that ONE direction to find it. Note: this is a DIFFERENT thing from "perceptions"...

That is my view as well, One Actuality. I would also have to say that it's admirable that you have not allowed your experiences to shape what you believe. What you want, if I am correct, is to KNOW.

I've had lots of experiences oobe's, lucid dreams that changed to being in another realm (conscious while body is asleep), that kind of thing... I've had encounters w/"demonic" beings (at least that was how I responded, w/terror.. but it could have been that I had extreme cognitive disonance, nowhere to put the stuff)... I've also had many, numerous Victory dreams (that's what I call them, overcoming dire obstacles) but my point is, I do not "believe" in reincarnation either because I don't KNOW it is the Truth absolutely. I don't know if I have any beliefs anymore at all! I know that I exist and I know there is Something that guides me, call it God, but I don't believe in Jesus at all but rather, I do use the term Christ consciousness, which are attributes of spirit.

The mind, is a terrible thing huh?? (smirks)... anyway, having had so many deja vu's, precognitions that happened, seeing visions,etc... Still I do not KNOW any more than I did before. The more I learn, the less I know.

Let me give you an example of how perceptions matter. It was (from my perception) a kind gesture by Reader that taking a break might be useful and you replied ... "I really don't think it's appropriate for you to suggest I go find something else to do."

That reply tells me that you might be under alot of stress over your experiences, together w/a bit of a hair trigger dealing w/people in general, perhaps from your expectations. Your response to Reader might have expressed a good chuckle of appreciation.

I empathize w/your concern over the dreams & experiences your entire life. There is nothing anyone can say except, thanks for sharing them, as we don't know what they mean either or how to stop them.... but next time you have an encounter, try to ask them who they are, what they want. And, since you're certain that you Know Jesus exists (the one thing you Do know from what you've written), ask him for assistance and protection.

[m1*]

Originally Posted by Moxie

"I believe that there is ONE truth and ONE reality -- and we need to all head in that ONE direction to find it. Note: this is a DIFFERENT thing from "perceptions"...

That is my view as well, One Actuality. I would also have to say that it's admirable that you have not allowed your experiences to shape what you believe. What you want, if I am correct, is to KNOW.

That's right. No matter what I experience, I can't say for sure I know anything. It "seems" as if I have had heaps of abduction experiences. I have a patch of missing skin on my leg for a start (that wasn't there when I went to sleep). It got infected and was bruised in that spot for three years. I still have the mark. That pretty much qualifies as an abduction experience in most people's books (ie: scoop marks).. but was I abducted? Well, let's just say that I don't have the video footage and no one got a post card from "Mars". I've also woken up with various other injuries. How did I get them? I don't know. All I know is that I was fine when I went to bed.

Originally Posted by Moxie

I've had lots of experiences oobe's, lucid dreams that changed to being in another realm (conscious while body is asleep), that kind of thing... I've had encounters w/"demonic" beings (at least that was how I responded, w/terror.. but it could have been that I had extreme cognitive disonance, nowhere to put the stuff)... I've also had many, numerous Victory dreams (that's what I call them, overcoming dire obstacles) but my point is, I do not "believe" in reincarnation either because I don't KNOW it is the Truth absolutely. I don't know if I have any beliefs anymore at all! I know that I exist and I know there is Something that guides me, call it God, but I don't believe in Jesus at all but rather, I do use the term Christ consciousness, which are attributes of spirit.

I neither believe - nor disbelieve in reincarnation. All I know is that I have memories from "somewhere" and I had them since I was a kid. I still have them and I am getting new "memories" all the time. Is this a past life? I really don't know.

Originally Posted by Moxie

The mind, is a terrible thing huh?? (smirks)... anyway, having had so many deja vu's, precognitions that happened, seeing visions,etc... Still I do not KNOW any more than I did before. The more I learn, the less I know.

EXACTLY! Me too. The more things I experience, the more puzzle pieces I have to join together, and the more difficult it all becomes. I have so many experiences, I could find a "theory" for every single one of them. But that theory might very well be based on my "perception" which may very well not be correct.

Originally Posted by Moxie

Let me give you an example of how perceptions matter. It was (from my perception) a kind gesture by Reader that taking a break might be useful and you replied ... "I really don't think it's appropriate for you to suggest I go find something else to do."

That reply tells me that you might be under alot of stress over your experiences, together w/a bit of a hair trigger dealing w/people in general, perhaps from your expectations. Your response to Reader might have expressed a good chuckle of appreciation.

Actually - I am quite sure I perceived correctly. I don't think the comment was really necessary and didn't contribute anything useful to the thread.

Originally Posted by Moxie

I empathize w/your concern over the dreams & experiences your entire life. There is nothing anyone can say except, thanks for sharing them, as we don't know what they mean either or how to stop them.... but next time you have an encounter, try to ask them who they are, what they want. And, since you're certain that you Know Jesus exists (the one thing you Do know from what you've written), ask him for assistance and protection.

Here's the thing. More often than not, I can feel a dark presence literally ripping my soul from my body. Is this a "grey" is this a "demon" is it a "drunk goat wearing slippers?" I don't know -- all I know is SOMETHING has been "attacking" me. And you don't wake up with a swollen neck and face from "dreams". During these attacks, I can feel it in my mind. I can feel it in my body. It has a stench that makes me feel as though I am in a universe of darkness. It's PUTRID. I cannot adequately describe how HORRIBLE and EVIL this "presence" actually is. I am usually in a state of fighting just to remain conscious. I can't move. I can't talk. I can't do anything and there is NO worse feeling than this, that I have ever experienced. I simply do NOT have the words to describe how POWEREFUL, OVERBEARING and FRIGHTENING this "entity" or these "entities" actually are. So in the midst of all that: "Um, hello Mr Creepy Dark Lord, who is tearing out my soul -- I am just wondering, who are you and where are you from?" -- usually isn't on my priority of thoughts. I am quite sure that I have been darn lucky to wake up again the next morning many times. All I know is I want it AWAY from me. I don't CARE where it's from and I do NOT want to see it again!

The very reason I "personally" and "wholeheartedly" believe that Jesus is Lord is because for YEARS, I did not call on his name. I didn't know or think to (as I was not raised in a Church). I tried to fight these entities myself, with my own strength. I was left to within an inch of my life, many times. I can't express how I have suffered. However, I began (at one stage) to (at least TRY, even though I couldn't speak) to say: "Jesus, help me". Then, the moment I said that (in my mind), they disappeared.

However, they would show up again the next night (of course) to present me with my scheduled entertainment. Whoever, I said the same thing. Then, they started showing up less and less. Then, I realized the power of Jesus (by example, I had found that they bow to his name -- and LEAVE) and I started praying more and more and also, mainly for that reason, became more interested in what the Bible had to say.

Then, I would pray each night before I want to bed, and I would also read the Bible and pray that Jesus let me understand what I am reading. Before long, I started to understand a lot of things that I didn't quite understand in the BIble. I could share that understanding with people except most people aren't interested because they've decided that it's "useless propaganda for religious people".

I am not religious. I wasn't raised religious. I am not familiar with church rituals, customs or traditions (which is all a part of "religion"). When I was a kid, I didn't know the Bible from a brick. It is all these dreams and experiences that I've had all of my life that lead me to look for answers. These days, I do not suffer those attacks (although I CAN still sense them "sniffing" for me). I have also become quite versed with the concepts on the Bible -- and to the surprise of many who couldn't care less to take the time to ASK ME before JUDGING my "beliefs", I have also found that pretty much all religion operates it total contrast and polarization to the words of the Bible. This is why I get so uptight when people (off the bat) assume that I am a bible thumping religious nut, on some sort of crusade to convert the world. Especially when they spout things that I KNOW are not "from" the Bible, but are from public "perception" which is REALLY mixed up and convoluted. The people OFTEN responsible for this are "church goers" themselves! ie: "Religious people", or people in cults such as JW's and Mormons.

If I did decide to go on a "crusade", the FIRST place I'd go is to a church, and I'd KICK the front door straight in too -- and start pulling people over pews and pulpits by their ears for being so blasphemous and hypocritical. I'd probably start with the satanic Vatican.

I might make a post before long, explaining what my views actually are, including where and how I got them, so that in future, when someone takes it upon themselves to disrupt a thread to explain how horrible the Bible is (in an veiled effort to discredit my views by stealth), I can just send them there and everyone can save themselves a heap of debates and arguing over nothing but presumptions and personal perception.

[beren]

These days, I do not suffer those attacks (although I CAN still sense them "sniffing" for me)


They are not leaving anybody alone just like that. They are sniffing so to say to see do you really trust Jesus or that was just a pass through stage in your life...If they see that is was a pass through stage they will come again in bigger presence...

remember what Jesus said about "cleaned house" and demons returning and bringing other demons even worse that they are...

But if you really trust Jesus they will leave you alone, but watch therefore always,since they are like hyenas always preying ...

But be not afraid! Because the one who is helping you is far greater!

[m1*]

Originally Posted by beren

These days, I do not suffer those attacks (although I CAN still sense them "sniffing" for me)


They are not leaving anybody alone just like that. They are sniffing so to say to see do you really trust Jesus or that was just a pass through stage in your life...If they see that is was a pass through stage they will come again in bigger presence...

remember what Jesus said about "cleaned house" and demons returning and bringing other demons even worse that they are...

But if you really trust Jesus they will leave you alone, but watch therefore always,since they are like hyenas always preying ...

But be not afraid! Because the one who is helping you is far greater!

This is VERY good advice, and I thank you for sharing it.

I know that if I lose trust in Jesus and reject the word of God, they will be back again. It says so in the Bible.

[eleni]

I feel uncomfortable when people argue- let's all get along! Not saying everyone needs to agree with one another but I like you all!

Peace

[m1*]

Originally Posted by eleni

I feel uncomfortable when people argue- let's all get along! Not saying everyone needs to agree with one another but I like you all!

Peace

eleni, we had actually got back on topic here

Do you have anything to add on the topic at hand?

[Moxie]

You have had good results calling on the name, so, seems appropriate to apply your relationship in understanding what those dreams & experiences meant. You asked for assistance to understand the Book. Might you receive interpretation for all those terrible experiences including the "testing" you still have?

Or, is the message you have now the realization
that it took those experiences to get you to call on him?
Is that your message? To share the power of Jesus?

How do you see Jesus? Is this power exterior to you and was bestowed to you, that it happens on occasion? Do you feel that you have been the recipient of receiving a new spirit, the "gift of the Holy Spirit?" Is this your message?

I keep an open mind and am always curious to know how one perceives God.

All the discourses about reptilians, demonic, satan, god, etc....
Just who are WE? Heck, by now, regardless of the terminology one uses, reptilians, demons... seems to me to be the same story line w/new jargon... humans need saving, saving from ourselves?

I'm just asking questions because I want to know who we ARE!!!
We can't just be Neutral and no one wants to even THINK that we might be the reptilians ourselves, the demons... geesh.. I'm getting a headache. I hope I'm not off topic, forgive me ifyou perceive that I am. Darn it, I hate it when I hit send to maybe later regret it........ lol

[m1*]

Originally Posted by Moxie

You have had good results calling on the name, so, seems appropriate to apply your relationship in understanding what those dreams & experiences meant. You asked for assistance to understand the Book. Might you receive interpretation for all those terrible experiences including the "testing" you still have?

Well, actually, this thread didn't really mention the Bible or Jesus to begin with. It just kind of got taken in that direction. All I wanted to do in this thread was outline some dreams and visions that I've had - in case someone might be able to relate or have dreamed something similar.

Regarding the experiences, I don't need interpretation for that. They weren't dreams. I was wide awake and they were real life events. I know what they were: Something EVIL and I don't want to see them again.

Originally Posted by Moxie

Or, is the message you have now the realization
that it took those experiences to get you to call on him?
Is that your message? To share the power of Jesus?

No, I didn't have a message in this post. I just wanted to share why I was concerned. However, I do believe that Jesus is LORD, and that YES he does have power over these enities.

Originally Posted by Moxie

How do you see Jesus? Is this power exterior to you and was bestowed to you, that it happens on occasion? Do you feel that you have been the recipient of receiving a new spirit, the "gift of the Holy Spirit?" Is this your message?

No, I just feel like I was being attacked - and for years I tried to fight it off myself and got pummeled. I eventually called on Jesus to help me and he helped. I didn't receive anything other than help.

Originally Posted by Moxie

I keep an open mind and am always curious to know how one perceives God.

God is the Alpha and the Omega. The Beginning and the End. The First and the Last. God is the source of all life. That's how I see God.

Originally Posted by Moxie

All the discourses about reptilians, demonic, satan, god, etc....
Just who are WE? Heck, by now, regardless of the terminology one uses, reptilians, demons... seems to me to be the same story line w/new jargon... humans need saving, saving from ourselves?

I wish there never was any discourse. I wish I could just say how I feel and what I believe (just like everyone else does here) without people attacking me for it. But to answer the question: WHO are we? Well, I don't really know to be perfectly honest. I know that we're children of God, and that we've become detached and that Jesus came to Earth to explain to us how to love and be grafted back onto the living vine to return to immortality -- but beyond that, I can't really say I know.

Originally Posted by Moxie

I'm just asking questions because I want to know who we ARE!!!
We can't just be Neutral and no one wants to even THINK that we might be the reptilians ourselves, the demons... geesh.. I'm getting a headache. I hope I'm not off topic, forgive me ifyou perceive that I am. Darn it, I hate it when I hit send to maybe later regret it........ lol

No need to regret it. You posted a response to my thread. I am answering you. I do believe that some of us on this Earth are not God's children. The reason I believe this is that it says in the Bible that in the beginning angels from heaven corrupted man. The rest of the angels (who did not rebel) asked God if they should come down and wipe out the abomination (the tares). God said no, lest one of my children be hurt. So God and the angels of heaven are letting things take their course until harvest (then the wheat and the tares will be obvious). At that time, God will come and collect his wheat and get rid of the tares. That's pretty much who we are and how we got here (as a whole, on this earth) as far as I can see. I know that originally we were put here as immortals. However, because we learned deceit and lying we lost that.

[Moxie]

Well, I guess this thread closes huh? You've shared your dreams & experiences.
thank you

[m1*]

Originally Posted by Moxie

Well, I guess this thread closes huh? You've shared your dreams & experiences.
thank you

Actually, I would prefer if other people could come along and give their views or perceptions of what I have written. At least -- that's what I intended in the first place.