Sit back and relax...or take action?

peacelovinman · 09-17-2008, 02:27 PM

I have recently watched "The Ring of Power", a documentary I heard about some time ago but have only just watched, thanks to a member of this forum, Questiny, mentioning it in a post.

At the end of what I believe to be an excellent summary of how we arrived at where we are today, and a brilliant expose of those behind the mess we are in, the author of the piece suggests solutions.

These solutions are based on what are asserted to be the biggest fears of the ruling families of the illuminati: namely, exposure of what they have done and who they really are, the withdrawal of cooperation by the general public in their fictional economic and legal system, and organised resistance to their illegal, immoral and unethical activities. Solutions that exploit these fears will naturally be active rather than passive.

It struck me that it could be argued that the whole theme of Project Avalon is passive rather than active. The objectives of the forum are to organise to relocate to so-called "safe places", where we will be safe from the madness that seems to be engulfing the world and, when the dust dies down, form communities that can propsper and survive in a new kind of world. This seems to pre-suppose that we subscribe to the theory that large areas of the world will be engulfed in man-made/environmental cataclysm and that the current ruling elite will not be in control of world resources when the dust does die down, thus giving us the opportnuity to forge our own "radiant zones", as Michael St Clair puts it.

If I may suggest a proposition for discussion: does this not play into the hands of the ruling elite? What could be better than to have those who have awakened to what is going on, take themselves off somewhere remote where they can do no damage to their plans? Then, when the plan is completed, they can be rounded up at leisure.

I am a little uncomfortable with some posts on this forum (a recent one by Henry Deacon, for example) which seems to assert that everything will be okay if we just sit tight, and that a radiant future is just around the corner. I hope this is correct but if it isn't, then will our passivity be our downfall?

Of course, the alternative is to organise to expose the villans of the world we live in and begin to withdraw cooperation from their system, whilst removing them from their positions of power.

I'd love to hear the views of others on this...

Captain Obvious · 09-17-2008, 03:06 PM

Hello peacelovinman,

Interesting thread and intriguing questions!

I resonate with allowance mentioned in the Handbook For a New Paradigm, which is of course my interpretation of it, and not saying that my view is the one stated in the book. If the polarities of light and dark force their way of being upon their opposite, that is control even if viewed as making things right, because they both think they're right.

And when you address passivity, that's where I think controlling my own life isn't being passive, and by sharing what I've gathered, if someone would be interested, then I like to think that is something which can make a difference to end the chaos.

greybeard · 09-17-2008, 03:23 PM

My personal feeling is to have a balanced view of what comes out of the whistle blowing. World history shows that taking up an agressive stance dosent work but its not a question of doing nothing. If we are part of collective consciousness then the raising of personal spiritual vibration raises the level of all. A rising tide lifts all boats. Safe places set up for the right reasons with no agenda I believe will be a powerful force for world peace. Again if we look at history Ghandi ( cant spell) was instumental. through non violence, in bringing about the demise of colonialism against all odds. We apear to face a similar situation but is that really so? We change our world changes. The human race has been at war for most of its history much of that cause by religious intolerance. One possible translation of the word Devil is ego. Edge God Out. The human ego is separistic. Basically Im right therfore you must be wrong. Its that simple. Wars are fought to preserve a position, the moment a position is taken up and firmly adheared to there must be an enemy. War is delclared small time or big time its the same mechanisim. Spiritual Masters all say the same thing, no self no problem, in other words not to identify with the story in your head-- dont buy into it. Your higher self will look after you once you commit to loving the Creator and all creation unconditionally. That does not mean condoning peoples action just loving them anyway. Im not of any religion, the truth can be found in the teachings of any spiritual giant be it Jesus or any other. Jesus said. Lord forgive them for they know not what they do. In other words they are spiritually asleep. Its not about what anyone else is up to its about what we individually hold in our hearts.
With love Chris

peacelovinman · 09-17-2008, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by greybeard

My personal feeling is to have a balanced view of what comes out of the whistle blowing. World history shows that taking up an agressive stance dosent work but its not a question of doing nothing. If we are part of collective consciousness then the raising of personal spiritual vibration raises the level of all. A rising tide lifts all boats. Safe places set up for the right reasons with no agenda I believe will be a powerful force for world peace. Again if we look at history Ghandi ( cant spell) was instumental. through non violence, in bringing about the demise of colonialism against all odds. We apear to face a similar situation but is that really so? We change our world changes. The human race has been at war for most of its history much of that cause by religious intolerance. One possible translation of the word Devil is ego. Edge God Out. The human ego is separistic. Basically Im right therfore you must be wrong. Its that simple. Wars are fought to preserve a position, the moment a position is taken up and firmly adheared to there must be an enemy. War is delclared small time or big time its the same mechanisim. Spiritual Masters all say the same thing, no self no problem, in other words not to identify with the story in your head-- dont buy into it. Your higher self will look after you once you commit to loving the Creator and all creation unconditionally. That does not mean condoning peoples action just loving them anyway. Im not of any religion, the truth can be found in the teachings of any spiritual giant be it Jesus or any other. Jesus said. Lord forgive them for they know not what they do. In other words they are spiritually asleep. Its not about what anyone else is up to its about what we individually hold in our hearts.
With love Chris

Hi Chris

I hear your sentiments which are noble, true (at least for you) and persuasive. However, I think it can be shown that wars in modern history are not caused by the egos of ordinary folks clashing on an "I'm right, you're wrong" basis, but by the greedy power-elite seeking to consolidate their control of world resources.

I do not advocate naked agression but I would advocate active resistance to the system which seeks to perpetuate an immoral, unethical and cruel world order. Similar to Ghandi who advocated breaking the British law which forbade Indians to make their own salt, removing an element of their independence by forcing them to buy it from the British.

Thanks for your comments!

FrostyMcunicron · 09-17-2008, 05:29 PM

take action through a peaceful but meaningful protest when the time is right. id gladly donate some hours if not a few days down for something like a "Release free energy" march on DC or Anti-illuminati/secret society corrupted gov. protests.

"America: For the People BY THE PEOPLE

NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH

For the people by the elite."

greybeard · 09-17-2008, 06:13 PM

Hi Peace loving man
its just a matter of degree.
Is some one (heaven forbid) was to come at one of my family with a knife then im not going to hope for the best but take immediate action to try to prevent harm befalling them, you are my family too. I would not then seek out his family (the knife weiders) and inflict similar on them.

Gandi had the right balance with peacful protest.
Mother Teresa said You wont find me at an anti war demonstration but a demonstration for peace is a different matter. Spiritually its called right action.
This medium of text of necessity leaves a lot unsaid.

People can allways justify their actions, if they knew better they would do better.
Hope this clears any missunderstanding.

With love Chris

Peace of Mine · 09-18-2008, 06:11 AM

When I bike around the local neighborhoods here, I see grass growing out of bounds, newspapers piling up around driveways, and vacant houses row after row. It is foreclosure city, second highest area in the USA.

Jobs have disappeared. People cope behind closed doors. There is no "community" in place to help with anything. Food pantries are overwhelmed. Volunteers use TV to beg for any help from any quarter.

None of my neighbors have gardens. If they wanted to grow one, or string a sheet in their yard instead of using the dryer, the "rules" wouldn't let them.

How different is the situation in Ecuador. Lovely farmer's markets overflow with bounty, raised by locals with plenty to share. Shelter is reasonable. Adobe bricks are made in place at new house sites. Rammed earth is advertised by a builder, a simple, inexpensive alternative taken for granted

My point is this: Ecuador does not need my help building "community." But my neighbors do. They need food, shelter, answers for how to handle fraudulent banks who have robbed them of their wealth. Or bully cops who fill prisons so the real criminals can make more and more money on more and more misery.

It is a daunting task. My neighbors do little to help themselves or each other.

"Our government wouldn't do THAT!" My niece, happy in her cocoon of abundance and denial, doesn't notice or care who has to live on Ramen Noodles.

"Don't bother me with your silly alternatives. My doctor knows best. Besides, he got it in time." My friend does not question why cancer-free lymph nodes were hacked off along with the breast and the miniscule cyst described as non life-threatening. Is it fear that keeps her willfully ignorant? Her stressful life, where 80-hour work weeks are the norm? Or the two hours spent listening to Neo-Con Free Market propaganda on the way home?

How much chaos will it take before my neighbors wake-up to the reality of what has overtaken America? What will happen when they finally get it? Is it too late to stop this on-rushing train wreck?

I hear the Siren's Song of Ecuador. My heart insists that we have been called together to rise to this occasion.

My head wages war with my heart.

09-17-2008, 02:27 PM	#1
peacelovinman Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Essex, UK Posts: 141	Sit back and relax...or take action? I have recently watched "The Ring of Power", a documentary I heard about some time ago but have only just watched, thanks to a member of this forum, Questiny, mentioning it in a post. At the end of what I believe to be an excellent summary of how we arrived at where we are today, and a brilliant expose of those behind the mess we are in, the author of the piece suggests solutions. These solutions are based on what are asserted to be the biggest fears of the ruling families of the illuminati: namely, exposure of what they have done and who they really are, the withdrawal of cooperation by the general public in their fictional economic and legal system, and organised resistance to their illegal, immoral and unethical activities. Solutions that exploit these fears will naturally be active rather than passive. It struck me that it could be argued that the whole theme of Project Avalon is passive rather than active. The objectives of the forum are to organise to relocate to so-called "safe places", where we will be safe from the madness that seems to be engulfing the world and, when the dust dies down, form communities that can propsper and survive in a new kind of world. This seems to pre-suppose that we subscribe to the theory that large areas of the world will be engulfed in man-made/environmental cataclysm and that the current ruling elite will not be in control of world resources when the dust does die down, thus giving us the opportnuity to forge our own "radiant zones", as Michael St Clair puts it. If I may suggest a proposition for discussion: does this not play into the hands of the ruling elite? What could be better than to have those who have awakened to what is going on, take themselves off somewhere remote where they can do no damage to their plans? Then, when the plan is completed, they can be rounded up at leisure. I am a little uncomfortable with some posts on this forum (a recent one by Henry Deacon, for example) which seems to assert that everything will be okay if we just sit tight, and that a radiant future is just around the corner. I hope this is correct but if it isn't, then will our passivity be our downfall? Of course, the alternative is to organise to expose the villans of the world we live in and begin to withdraw cooperation from their system, whilst removing them from their positions of power. I'd love to hear the views of others on this...

09-17-2008, 03:06 PM	#2
Captain Obvious Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 70	Re: Sit back and relax...or take action? Hello peacelovinman, Interesting thread and intriguing questions! I resonate with allowance mentioned in the Handbook For a New Paradigm, which is of course my interpretation of it, and not saying that my view is the one stated in the book. If the polarities of light and dark force their way of being upon their opposite, that is control even if viewed as making things right, because they both think they're right. And when you address passivity, that's where I think controlling my own life isn't being passive, and by sharing what I've gathered, if someone would be interested, then I like to think that is something which can make a difference to end the chaos. Last edited by Captain Obvious; 09-17-2008 at 03:10 PM.

09-17-2008, 03:23 PM	#3
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: Sit back and relax...or take action? My personal feeling is to have a balanced view of what comes out of the whistle blowing. World history shows that taking up an agressive stance dosent work but its not a question of doing nothing. If we are part of collective consciousness then the raising of personal spiritual vibration raises the level of all. A rising tide lifts all boats. Safe places set up for the right reasons with no agenda I believe will be a powerful force for world peace. Again if we look at history Ghandi ( cant spell) was instumental. through non violence, in bringing about the demise of colonialism against all odds. We apear to face a similar situation but is that really so? We change our world changes. The human race has been at war for most of its history much of that cause by religious intolerance. One possible translation of the word Devil is ego. Edge God Out. The human ego is separistic. Basically Im right therfore you must be wrong. Its that simple. Wars are fought to preserve a position, the moment a position is taken up and firmly adheared to there must be an enemy. War is delclared small time or big time its the same mechanisim. Spiritual Masters all say the same thing, no self no problem, in other words not to identify with the story in your head-- dont buy into it. Your higher self will look after you once you commit to loving the Creator and all creation unconditionally. That does not mean condoning peoples action just loving them anyway. Im not of any religion, the truth can be found in the teachings of any spiritual giant be it Jesus or any other. Jesus said. Lord forgive them for they know not what they do. In other words they are spiritually asleep. Its not about what anyone else is up to its about what we individually hold in our hearts. With love Chris Last edited by greybeard; 09-17-2008 at 03:26 PM.

09-17-2008, 05:29 PM	#5
FrostyMcunicron Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: a box in the inner city w. a slight chance of suburbia New Jersey Posts: 160	Re: Sit back and relax...or take action? take action through a peaceful but meaningful protest when the time is right. id gladly donate some hours if not a few days down for something like a "Release free energy" march on DC or Anti-illuminati/secret society corrupted gov. protests. "America: For the People BY THE PEOPLE NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH For the people by the elite."

09-17-2008, 06:13 PM	#6
greybeard Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Inverness Scotland Posts: 924	Re: Sit back and relax...or take action? Hi Peace loving man its just a matter of degree. Is some one (heaven forbid) was to come at one of my family with a knife then im not going to hope for the best but take immediate action to try to prevent harm befalling them, you are my family too. I would not then seek out his family (the knife weiders) and inflict similar on them. Gandi had the right balance with peacful protest. Mother Teresa said You wont find me at an anti war demonstration but a demonstration for peace is a different matter. Spiritually its called right action. This medium of text of necessity leaves a lot unsaid. People can allways justify their actions, if they knew better they would do better. Hope this clears any missunderstanding. With love Chris

09-18-2008, 06:11 AM	#7
Peace of Mine Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 23	In the middle of the Foreclosure Belt When I bike around the local neighborhoods here, I see grass growing out of bounds, newspapers piling up around driveways, and vacant houses row after row. It is foreclosure city, second highest area in the USA. Jobs have disappeared. People cope behind closed doors. There is no "community" in place to help with anything. Food pantries are overwhelmed. Volunteers use TV to beg for any help from any quarter. None of my neighbors have gardens. If they wanted to grow one, or string a sheet in their yard instead of using the dryer, the "rules" wouldn't let them. How different is the situation in Ecuador. Lovely farmer's markets overflow with bounty, raised by locals with plenty to share. Shelter is reasonable. Adobe bricks are made in place at new house sites. Rammed earth is advertised by a builder, a simple, inexpensive alternative taken for granted My point is this: Ecuador does not need my help building "community." But my neighbors do. They need food, shelter, answers for how to handle fraudulent banks who have robbed them of their wealth. Or bully cops who fill prisons so the real criminals can make more and more money on more and more misery. It is a daunting task. My neighbors do little to help themselves or each other. "Our government wouldn't do THAT!" My niece, happy in her cocoon of abundance and denial, doesn't notice or care who has to live on Ramen Noodles. "Don't bother me with your silly alternatives. My doctor knows best. Besides, he got it in time." My friend does not question why cancer-free lymph nodes were hacked off along with the breast and the miniscule cyst described as non life-threatening. Is it fear that keeps her willfully ignorant? Her stressful life, where 80-hour work weeks are the norm? Or the two hours spent listening to Neo-Con Free Market propaganda on the way home? How much chaos will it take before my neighbors wake-up to the reality of what has overtaken America? What will happen when they finally get it? Is it too late to stop this on-rushing train wreck? I hear the Siren's Song of Ecuador. My heart insists that we have been called together to rise to this occasion. My head wages war with my heart.