Bye Bye Whistleblowers.

[jaby]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

You missed my point. The PTB are now AIDED by project camelot if they keep parading out the likes of Hawkeye, Deagle and Deacon.

If you have anything to learn from them, then enjoy. But unless you're addicted to fear, then I'd avoid the likes of the above mentioned.

I'm not addicted to fear.

Some of the whistleblowers maybe suspect....so what?

This is the real world we're dealing with.

But in general whistleblowers are GREAT. Brave and with amazing stories.

All that is needed is discernment.

How much about any of this stuff would we know if it weren't for whistleblowers? We can decide for ourselves if we want to take on
board what is said.

But first of all....we have to hear what is said. Presenting information
is what Camelot is all about. But we make our own judgements about it.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by jaby

I'm not addicted to fear.

Some of the whistleblowers maybe suspect....so what?

This is the real world we're dealing with.

But in general whistleblowers are GREAT. Brave and with amazing stories.

All that is needed is discernment.

How much about any of this stuff would we know if it weren't for whistleblowers? We can decide for ourselves if we want to take on
board what is said.

But first of all....we have to hear what is said. Presenting information
is what Camelot is all about. But we make our own judgements about it.

We're just going round and round now. All the whistles are blown. All the testimony is available. To continue to try to find new whistleblowers only goes towards feeding fear.

Whistleblowers are not great. They don't help anything at this point. You might as well preface their blather with "You should be afraid of the PTB because....." or "you should consider yourself a victim because......"

None of that is helpful.

There are thousands of websites of this kind of garbage for people who have somehow remained ignorant until now. New whistleblowers at this point will do more damage to our efforts to repair this planets broken heart, than if they'd just shut up and get a life.

[jaby]

Originally Posted by Myplanet2

We're just going round and round now. All the whistles are blown. All the testimony is available. To continue to try to find new whistleblowers only goes towards feeding fear.

Whistleblowers are not great. They don't help anything at this point. You might as well preface their blather with "You should be afraid of the PTB because....." or "you should consider yourself a victim because......"

None of that is helpful.

There are thousands of websites of this kind of garbage for people who have somehow remained ignorant until now. New whistleblowers at this point will do more damage to our efforts to repair this planets broken heart, than if they'd just shut up and get a life.

Woah.....harsh words. Remember the roots of this forum. Project Camelot.

And now you are blatantly trying to discredit Project Camelot.

And disrespecting all the genuine whistleblowers who have given interviews etc.

Tell me....what would we all know now if it wasn't for the whistleblowers?
Sure there are going to be efforts by the TPTB to undermine Camelot, including here in the forum. That's life!

We don't know what we might hear about next. And we'll hear nothing about
anything if we close off the channels. All we have to do is use personel judgement on all that we hear and see.

These matters aren't done and dusted. This is just the beginning.

[Anchor]

Myplanet2: As ever, excellent posts.

I just want to point out that Camelot and Avalon were supposed to have a different focus.

Avalon (which is where this post is) was more about what comes next, practical advice for dealing with the coming inconveniences, health and some spiritualy motivate topics as well.

What has happened is a focus on bad news or what might become bad news. (ie: predicted, potential, or alleged bad news and in some cases even completely false news); and that has detracted a little from that focus and promoted the circular/spiraling "doom and gloom" threads.

I believe things will change a little more yet - perhaps even on this forum.

A..


PS: RUN FOR YOUR LIFE !!!! <lol>

[jaby]

What ever happened to loyalty?


And a little understanding that times are tough, in regards to disinformation and dishonesty. That Kerry and Bill could be under enormous pressure in various ways.

A little empathy would be good, maybe?

And if you don't like what a whistleblower has to say...disregard it.

But more importantly...trust that other members here are perfectly
capable of making their own minds up about what whistleblowers say.

[franciejones]

Thanks Tango. Glad I gave you a giggle. I was laughing as I typed it.

[Carol]

Originally Posted by jaby

What ever happened to loyalty?


And a little understanding that times are tough, in regards to disinformation and dishonesty. That Kerry and Bill could be under enormous pressure in various ways.

A little empathy would be good, maybe?

And if you don't like what a whistleblower has to say...disregard it.

But more importantly...trust that other members here are perfectly
capable of making their own minds up about what whistleblowers say.

Loyalty to whom and for what? You forget we were behind the scenes and saw what really went on. When there is no loyalty given to the volunteers who put in countless hours to putting this forum together and running it all for free.. then no loyalty is owed from us who do know the truth of the matter.

As for some of the whistleblowers.. I like Bob Dean (whom I suspect is also pushing a different illuminati line). Many of the others who have had alien contact very well may have been subject to mind control and so therefore, their testimony is subject to critical analysis. How do we know that those witnesses who had alien contact with the greys are not still being manipulated and controlled by the greys? The greys are masters at mind control and implanting screened memories. The greys have their own agenda and it is not to help humans but instead is to serve themselves at humans expense. I've since discovered the test of a real witness... one who is not contaminated or influenced by evil influence is the wake they leave following their interactions with others. If people feel uplifted and renewed then it is a good thing. If folks feel agitation, fear, angry or confused... then the exchange is not so good. This means that the witness is not resonating at a higher vibrational frequency and therefore is subject to negative influences. Remember the old saying "like attracts like?"

Just because someone claims to be a witness doesn't mean that what they have to share is the real deal. They may not know themselves how their memory has been manipulated.

BTW, if you want to check when the last time someone logged in just go to their bio page. It's listed there. When I check Bill his last log in was December 8, 2008 of last year and for Kerry 6/30/09.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by jaby

Woah.....harsh words. Remember the roots of this forum. Project Camelot.

And now you are blatantly trying to discredit Project Camelot.

And disrespecting all the genuine whistleblowers who have given interviews etc.

Tell me....what would we all know now if it wasn't for the whistleblowers?
Sure there are going to be efforts by the TPTB to undermine Camelot, including here in the forum. That's life!

We don't know what we might hear about next. And we'll hear nothing about
anything if we close off the channels. All we have to do is use personel judgement on all that we hear and see.

These matters aren't done and dusted. This is just the beginning.

Jaby. In the almost a year that I've been on Avalon, I've watched literally thousands of people become afraid because of something said by the likes of Deagle. And virtually nothing Deagle said was about to happen, any second now, has happened a good half year or more after his frantic warnings.

Do I disrespedt that whistleblower? No. I say he was wrong. And I say he should never have spouted off his paranoid rantings, and I say Camelot should have learned after his first drive by "fearing" that he was not credible, and not had him back time and again for more of the same.

Now please hear what I've said in each of my posts in this thread. "From now on." Already blown whistles are fine. But it's time to knock it off. They are beating this dead horse into glue by now.

Just because you and I can discern truth from lies, doesn't mean others can. Why keep promoting obvious fear mongering when there are fantastically sane and caring people out there who could be interviewed about how to cope with ascension symptoms, or why so many are losing their memories right now, or what the difference is between the 3rd, 4th and 5th dimensions, and how you use your heart to interface instead of your human mind, and how the law of attraction really works, and how to balance your chakras, and on and on.

Who needs to hear yet again that Swine flu and/or the vaccine for it is going to kill a billion people when the silly prophet of that kind of news also said chicago or maybe Los Angeles was about to be nuked any day?

No, I'm not here to discredit anyone. They do a marvelous job of that themselves.

I'm hear to shout out that we don't need to hear anymore of that garbage. It's not going to go down that way. Enough of us are promoting good outcomes to see to it. A few million awake people will make the difference in a population of 7 billion. But not if the brightest are hounded with doom by the likes of Dr. Doom.

[jaby]

answering MyPlanet2....

So you don't like Deagle. He has made zilch impression on me.

See...people can make their own minds up. We're not special...anyone can do it.

Bill and Kerry present information on the Camelot site for people to read/see and make up their own minds.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by jaby

answering MyPlanet2....

So you don't like Deagle. He has made zilch impression on me.

See...people can make their own minds up. We're not special...anyone can do it.

Bill and Kerry present information on the Camelot site for people to read/see and make up their own minds.

And I say they do a great disservice by continuing to present the likes of Deagle who has yet to get anything right.

I never said I don't like Deagle. I said he promotes fear, and for no reason, as he's always wrong.

Who was the bimbo that said there was going to be a mass ET landing on Oct 14. Would you like to hear more from her? Maybe by now she figures earth is going to fall into the sun and we'll all take the new body form of the toasted hot dog?

You can't be serious with your arguments. At least I hope you aren't.

"Let em talk any s**t they want and we can peel it apart with our fingers, and only eat the tasty bits?"

continuing to present people like Deagle, Hawkeye, Deacon, etc absolutely discredits Camelot to any but the "loyal". Loyalty is one thing. Unthinking loyalty is another.

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm looking for people to talk to. There has mostly been low interest in my threads. But if some of you are disillusioned with the whistleblowers, alternate timelines, bickering, defections, etc...reconsider taking a look at some of my threads. I'm not claiming anything...because I don't know. But my road is a road less traveled...and that just might make all of the difference. The threads won't make you happy...but taken as a whole...there is an important message...I believe. The thread with some cool music videos would be a good place to begin.http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...orthodoxymoron 'Come into my web'...the spider said to the fly!

[tone3jaguar]

Uhgg, I just tried to listen to the Radio show for the first time where Kerry was discussing why her communication style is the way that it is. I am now even more disillusioned than I was before I tried to listen to it.

Kerry Casidy

"Steven Greer's agenda is fueled by the Greys and Reptilians"

Uhgg

I feel like I need to go and stick my head in a bucket of ice water or something.

[Barcarolle]

Maybe we should ask for a special area for a whiners and finger pointing forum area for these sort of threads. Where all the wing nuts who are scared and petrified of things slightly not going the way they had hoped or dreamed can all come together and feel important.
Yes lets point fingers and moan about things, you feel better now ?? Its quite unbelievable how the weak minded, fear controlled need to pollute these boards with such a load of BS ..... The problem with this is that is gathers others aboard this sheep train and its contagious and manipulative.(enter at won risk)

Its quite simple you don't like the content in this forum or website just click the X box located on the top right hand corner of your monitor and exit. We don't all need to be pulled into your fear and scare mongering, you obviously are hoping to crush peoples journey and intended pathways as we are all here for one reason and its obvious you cannot handle the current situation and require your own ways in bringing others into your dark work of misunderstanding and confusion.

Some posters here have actually got a lot to offer people who are in need of similarly minded people to communicate too. we all are in some way seeking assistance as these things we cannot talk about to the average person.(heaven forbid we get looked at like we are mental cases right- so lets open ourselves up online so no one can see our faces).

Fear is important, fear is the shadow self or dark side of reality, without confronting this fear then we are showing that we are not willing to accept the shadow self.

We all need to confront our shadow selves in order to get to the other side its just that simple ..... By running away from things and hiding we create larger and larger fears that will eventually engulf us and others in the same process who are unfortunate to listen to these wingnuts.

Confront fear, accept fear be able to allow yourself to understand fear then you can objectively understand its manifestation.

We are all learning here, we need to be calm and not allow ourselves to be pointing fingers and abusing a certain "whistle blowers" or anyones thoughts or belief once you do you have failed this lesson........ Everyone is perceiving things their own way in essence creating their own reality.

Time to be grown up and be more observant and INTEND to see the bigger picture instead of creating **** that we all have to step in manifested by your EGO.

once your able to listen to these guys you dislike and be able to say "ah thats his/her opinion its an interesting theory and i am glad to hear it, but i dont feel its on my frequency and be able to continue things normaly there after then you will be on your way. WE not here to judge , WE are here to learn.

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Barcarolle

Maybe we should ask for a special area for a whiners and finger pointing forum area for these sort of threads. Where all the wing nuts who are scared and petrified of things slightly not going the way they had hoped or dreamed can all come together and feel important.
Yes lets point fingers and moan about things, you feel better now ?? Its quite unbelievable how the weak minded, fear controlled need to pollute these boards with such a load of BS ..... The problem with this is that is gathers others aboard this sheep train and its contagious and manipulative.(enter at won risk)

Its quite simple you don't like the content in this forum or website just click the X box located on the top right hand corner of your monitor and exit. We don't all need to be pulled into your fear and scare mongering, you obviously are hoping to crush peoples journey and intended pathways as we are all here for one reason and its obvious you cannot handle the current situation and require your own ways in bringing others into your dark work of misunderstanding and confusion.

Some posters here have actually got a lot to offer people who are in need of similarly minded people to communicate too. we all are in some way seeking assistance as these things we cannot talk about to the average person.(heaven forbid we get looked at like we are mental cases right- so lets open ourselves up online so no one can see our faces).

Fear is important, fear is the shadow self or dark side of reality, without confronting this fear then we are showing that we are not willing to accept the shadow self.

We all need to confront our shadow selves in order to get to the other side its just that simple ..... By running away from things and hiding we create larger and larger fears that will eventually engulf us and others in the same process who are unfortunate to listen to these wingnuts.

Confront fear, accept fear be able to allow yourself to understand fear then you can objectively understand its manifestation.

We are all learning here, we need to be calm and not allow ourselves to be pointing fingers and abusing a certain "whistle blowers" or anyones thoughts or belief once you do you have failed this lesson........ Everyone is perceiving things their own way in essence creating their own reality.

Time to be grown up and be more observant and INTEND to see the bigger picture instead of creating **** that we all have to step in manifested by your EGO.

once your able to listen to these guys you dislike and be able to say "ah thats his/her opinion its an interesting theory and i am glad to hear it, but i dont feel its on my frequency and be able to continue things normaly there after then you will be on your way. WE not here to judge , WE are here to learn.

Ah. so let me see if I get this straight. You say Blah blah blah blah and you can't find the little x at the top of the page and the special place for whiners and wing nuts in front of your keyboard isn't good enough for the task at hand?

Got it. Thanks.

[tone3jaguar]

[quote]

Originally Posted by Barcarolle

Its quite unbelievable how the weak minded, fear controlled need to pollute these boards with such a load of BS ..... The problem with this is that is gathers others aboard this sheep train and its contagious and manipulative.(enter at won risk)

My instincts tell me that Myplanet2 is probably one of the strongest willed and minded posting up around here. Making ambiguous comments about "loads of BS" without explaining why or what is the BS carries no weight.

you obviously are hoping to crush peoples journey and intended pathways as we are all here for one reason and its obvious you cannot handle the current situation and require your own ways in bringing others into your dark work of misunderstanding and confusion.

He is not obviously doing anything close to this.

We are all learning here, we need to be calm and not allow ourselves to be pointing fingers and abusing a certain "whistle blowers" or anyones thoughts or belief once you do you have failed this lesson........

Ahh yes, the old trust your leaders as they lead you off the edge of a cliff.

Once they have exposed themselves as fiction writers then they are no longer wistleblowers. They are then just very creative deceptive people. I want to make a video where I set a few of these "whistleblowers" in a room and I sit in front of them blowing on a coaches whistle until I pass out.

[orthodoxymoron]

I sense that B&K are trying to do the right thing...but that they are being pushed and pulled in a lot of directions. They are probably being lied to, threatened, played, etc, etc. Just take all of this stuff as science fiction...which could very possibly be reality...or become reality at some point in the future.

Myplanet2: I liked your post. By the way...you have a very interesting name.

[orthodoxymoron]

Save the drama for your mamma.

[TraineeHuman]

Let’s consider this from the point of view of the problem-reaction-solution logic. I believe that style of logic (also known as “Hegelian logic” or “marxist logic”, though in use in China and India for thousands of years) is totally valid. It’s real. Now, let’s suppose that all the worst predictions are true. Then the wise person’s response to them all is not to react, i.e., not to respond with fear. Or else to get through her/his fear quickly and then leave it behind permanently, as far as possible. Otherwise, we’re suckers.

Only the person who doesn’t get caught up in the reaction can see any of the solution (or possible solutions), even perhaps influence it in some way. I believe this supports so much of MyPlanet2’s point. Isn't it great to see sanity at work?

Yes, though, it’s also true that freedom is only possible when we see and look at what is, rather than at how we would like things to be. But even if “what is” may involve our imminent death, as Bill claims, we need a way of stating the facts which is more balanced, and which isn’t itself fear-mongering. As seems to be often successfully done at the sites MyPlanet2 refers to in his opening post.

I dowsed regarding whether there was any substantial truth in "Hawkeye's" letters. Result: the answer is no. In Mash, Hawkeye is a smartarse who spends all his time subverting everybody and everything else by being cleverer than them, supposedly. Anybody with a degree in psychology can tell you that type of "clever" is totally neurosis. I guess I'll have to stick to the Spirituality threads from now on. I'll take wise over clever any day.

[Wormhole]

All paths are valid. All have a unique journey to source. No one here is wrong. Our perspectives are unique to our experience. Let love in our hearts guide us to wisdom. Respect and honor the journey.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[Neo]

what was this thread about again

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by Neo

what was this thread about again

Myplanet has a valid point, and it is voiced in EXACTLY the right part of the forum in my opinion.

I agree with it almost in its entirety, except that as some others have pointed out, it leaves little room for the idea that the path is long and we are all different lengths along it in our progress.

Camelot and the whistle blower thing will always be a useful source of information for those that still need to see the nature of the game we are being played at, and perhaps will help them to take control and play that game properly instead of being controlled, lied to, defrauded and cheated at every turn.

Everything has a reason, including this forum!

A..

[Myplanet2]

Originally Posted by Anchor

Myplanet has a valid point, and it is voiced in EXACTLY the right part of the forum in my opinion.

I agree with it almost in its entirety, except that as some others have pointed out, it leaves little room for the idea that the path is long and we are all different lengths along it in our progress.

Camelot and the whistle blower thing will always be a useful source of information for those that still need to see the nature of the game we are being played at, and perhaps will help them to take control and play that game properly instead of being controlled, lied to, defrauded and cheated at every turn.

Everything has a reason, including this forum!

A..

Thanks, Anchor. But I wonder if even that is still true?

Let me explain.

If you accept the idea that we are all creative beings, and that we've already changed things for the better here on earth as evidenced by the fact that so many predictions have fallen short, then where exactly do we sit right now in this reality?

As I've had explained to me by a some higher dimensional beings of light, Earth is now in a unique situation in all of creation. Those of us here now, have some serious creative horse power, and we are here for the express purpose of writing the final chapter in this game of exploring the polarities in the 3D realm. And what's different, and which has been noticed by several who USED to be able to see the future events, is that there are no more future events. We are creating now, in the now. And what we create becomes instantly available to others visiting the now.

This opens enormous vistas to consider. It's essentially why there is so much interest in the earth right now. It's why there are literally millions of ET crafts parked in our solar system just out of our visual range, Glued to their 'monitors'. None of them know how this will end.

So I suggest that where it may once have been true that we must all follow some path through something or other, so as to get to the other side of that something or other and emerge into the light, that may no longer be the case.

We are writing that chapter RIGHT NOW. We decide how the rest of this game plays out and what the final disposition will be.

It's one of the reason I feel so strongly that we must switch from react to create, and also why the whistleblower gig is up. They can only possibly be reporting on "old" news. Because there is no new news.

So in eschewing the whistleblower testimony, and choosing instead to focus on what we DO want, it is no longer anything like avoiding our fears, or failing to follow our paths.

We are free to create new paths, and if we wish to create them without the necessity of experiencing fear in order to arrive at the light, then so be it. It's up to us. We can still do it that way, but why bother?

A huge wave of cleansing energy has recently washed over us. Some bathed in it and handled many lifetimes worth of baggage. Others chose to cling like barnacles to their familiar 3D haunts. Lovely for them too. The next wave coming this fall, will be even more intense, and the barnacles will eventually lose their grip on 3D and wake up in the 4TH and 5TH density realms. (I am now actually splattered across all 3 dimensions but primarily in the 4th)

I'd never try to take away anothers choice on what path to follow, but I would suggest that since everything has changed recently, and since many new options are available to us, and that since the old 3D polarity game is all played out, that now might be a good time to examine how we "do business" in 3D.

Hope this translates into human

[Carrie1971]

Originally Posted by Neo

what was this thread about again

I am not kidding... When I say I cannot really GET what it started out as but since I seem to be posting at the last part of it hopefully it may die.


B&K are doing the job they are doing, as best as they can, and still be having some form of a "life".

The FEAR thing is something that THEY BOTH agree can and should be avoided. As I have stated again and again. If you "buy into" the whole idea that "THEY" and you can fill that (they) in with whom or whatever you want to are out to "get us" that we must buy gold, or stock up huge amounts of food or any other number of the things we are being told then "they win".

We each have a body (which you can make choices of what you will do with it or what you will let be put in it)... IT is YOUR body to feed food, bath and care for.

You have a mind which you make choices of what you are going to put in that, and what you will do with your body. ( take care of it or let it go to waste ) Your mind maybe hard to control but if you make the choice to control your mind and stay out of the fear state your body and mind will both be much better off.

This body and mind has a golden substance called soul.. YOUR own soul is what will learn or not here in this life time. Folks we are all here to learn some important things.. The very best thing I can say is I care about each of you enough to say Learn to LOVE. Each of us here on earth at this TIME is in the same boat. So grab ahold of the ore and help get this thing to the next wonderful place.

There maybe a "master plan" and a few people may think they "know" what that plan is. Each of us who say "NO" and do not even rent thinking space to some of these plans can make it so they never come to pass. Keep your mind free of the bad things and try hard to do the good things.

So may the force be with you. You have made it to the end of this post and I do forget... what was the question again??

[orthodoxymoron]

Some of the whistleblowers really blew it.

[Ravens and Doves]

Originally Posted by jaby

Woah.....harsh words. Remember the roots of this forum. Project Camelot.


We don't know what we might hear about next. And we'll hear nothing about
anything if we close off the channels. All we have to do is use personel judgement on all that we hear and see.

These matters aren't done and dusted. This is just the beginning.

Thank You.

This is the most senseless thread I've ever tried to understand on this forum. And speaking of this Forum and Project Cam - If you don't like it, why are you hanging around? Why not un-sub? Nobody's forcing anybody to read the forum or watch the videos. We are free to click away anytime we want.

Paul