Earth2 - The New Beginnings

[seircram]

According to Archangel Gabriel (Karen Cook @ benutoo.com: "Earth2"), the planet that NASA has seen and is keeping a lid on is "Earth2". Earth2 is where most of the population of the the current Earth ("Earth1") will be going, either by death, Ascension or reincarnation.

Earth2 is basically the "heaven" planet. There will be 5th+ dimensional, all silicon earthlings along with 12+ different species of alien races. There will also be a large number of "extinct" species living there (including dinosaurs) and some alien species. All will be vegetarians, all telepathic, no lies can be told, no money, government, etc.

According to Gabriel, there is a 70% chance that we will make "First Contact" by the November elections (however, I interpret his comments to believe that this will NOT be with the Niburu. I believe that this first contact will be by the Ashtar group).

My interpretations of his statements regarding this, is that "First Contact" with non-Niburus "is to teach them how to understand the earthlings"... basically, an introduction to humans before the alien species go face-to-face with us on Earth2.

On the down side, the Niburus will be returning to earth before 2012.

Jehova started the Illuminati.

However, the Niburu "bus" is not the one you want to get on. The return of Niburo equals the return of the fallen angel Jehova (aka Yahweh the Warlord) and his minions (big, ugly, mean "Giants").

Basically, believe it or not, ignoring them and/or unconditional loving them is going to be the only way to get rid of them (i.e., they feed off negative energy, fear and adoration).

According to Gabriel, the Russia - Georgia conflict was started by Jehova (being on Earth already in a non-visible form) and the next target is Poland.

[warngen]

Wow! This is very interesting information. But there are a few questions i would like to address before i take heed to the information. Where did you get your information? Is it credible? And; Who is this Archangel Gabriel? With what certainty do you have about this info not being misinformation. I'm not saying you're wrong. The fact is, it's hard to believe ANYTHING in this day and time.

Thanks for your time.

[Phoenix]

Interesting post but in my opinion just more ramblings from a New Age channel, (http://www.benutoo.com/) and should be taken as such, its up to the individual whether to believe or not.

She claims to channel an entity called Benu and also claims Benu is Archangel Gabriel.

According to Western Mystery Esotericism, Archangel Gabriel is of the first Quorum of Archangels (of which there are 12) and is the Angel of annunciation, resurrection, mercy and vengeance, ruling Prince of the First Heaven and chief of the Angelic guards over paradise, Archangel of the Moon, Yesod.
The femine counterpart is Liah. They teach according to the Law of Progression and fight evil on a one to one basis.

It is also taught that Archangels of the First Quorum cannot be channeled as their vibration is too high although their "office" can be channeled through others in their line. There are so many "channels" out there all with their messages for us although on closer inspection, these messages seem very generic and general.

False Prophet or message from an Angelic entity?

Who knows, you decide!

[seircram]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Interesting post but in my opinion just more ramblings from a New Age channel, (http://www.benutoo.com/) and should be taken as such, its up to the individual whether to believe or not.

She claims to channel an entity called Benu and also claims Benu is Archangel Gabriel.

It is also taught that Archangels of the First Quorum cannot be channeled as their vibration is too high although their "office" can be channeled through others in their line. There are so many "channels" out there all with their messages for us although on closer inspection, these messages seem very generic and general.

False Prophet or message from an Angelic entity?

Who knows, you decide!

For one thing, this is what is called a "full soul channel", so you are actually having Gabriel "step in" to Karen's body while she "steps out". If you are familiar with "Basher" (the alien channel) where the voice and body traits change, then this is the same. Full Soul Channels are said to be much more truthful since there is no personal EGO to get into the way.

I don't wish to get into it now, but I can say that I have some "personal" reasons to believe that Karen's channel is really Archangel Gabriel.

[Hint: And obviously, there is no way to "prove" this, but... And if you believe that there really are humans out there who can be defined as "Lightworkers"... then my research shows that these "Lightworkers" do not have run-of-the-mill guardian angels (no disrespect, Minions of God), they all have Archangels as their guardian angels. Of course, if you consider any of this BS, then nothing I could say would matter to you...]

I also personally know several people who have attended these channelings in person and that they "feel" that this channel is Archangel Gabriel.

The only gotcha is that the channeling sessions are only available for a cost (like many others - the downside of having to make a living doing channeling or a similar lifestyle).

[Bill Ryan]

Dear All:

I mean no-one here any personal disrespect when I offer my own (very strong and clear) opinion that the subject of this thread is nonsense.

It's the only word I can use. You have been grossly misinformed... in my opinion. Nothing like this is happening or will happen.

Very best wishes to all - Bill

[arcora]

I am always suspicious of 'channels'.

I am especially suspicious when they sell CD's of their 'channelings' that purport to hold the secret of how to obtain the benefits of the info 'channeled' to them.

How would you react if I told you that an angel told me the winning lotto numbers. You just need to give me $22 to have them.

[seircram]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Dear All:
I mean no-one here any personal disrespect when I offer my own (very strong and clear) opinion that the subject of this thread is nonsense.
It's the only word I can use. You have been grossly misinformed... in my opinion. Nothing like this is happening or will happen.
Very best wishes to all - Bill

No problem. The problem arises when people can not accept that they disagree, and then start wars over it

Though, we seem to be ragging on the validity of "channels", rather than the validity of the message.

Where does one start?

Do you believe in George Green's "channeled" books? Do you believe in reincarnation or heaven? Do you believe in ETs? Do you believe in Quantum Physics? Do you believe that the Illuminati/Rothchilds/NWO are dark forces at work? Do you believe in Spiritualism? Do you believe in Spirit Guides and/or Angels (or beings attributed to them)? Do you believe that some parts of the Bible (lost or found) are true? Do you believe that we are going to cross directly over the center of the Milky Way's black hole in winter 2012?

If you don't believe in any of these, then this thread probably is not believable.

If you do believe in (as least) some of these concepts, then how does one go about "proving" (or disproving) the concept of "Earth2".

David Wilcox talks about "ascending" in 2012 to a "higher vibrational" layer above earth. If one can believe that, then... who's to say what that "higher vibrational" state is going to take the form of?

Or do you just believe the planet is doomed and so are we?

[Phoenix]

Originally Posted by seircram

Though, we seem to be ragging on the validity of "channels", rather than the validity of the message.

Where does one start?

Simple, over the last few years in particular the internet has become flooded with these so called channels and from my observation, they all have generic messages that these entities feel we need to know. Yet there is never any real substance, messages are vague and general. But to your question, where does one start.

The first major key or component in any channeled info is validity. Can you give or quote ANY source where channeled info was validated? (shown to be correct) I don't just mean prediction, ANY form of validity for any channeled message? Even Mediums must have validation for their messages to show they are getting their info from "somewhere else"

Without it, it is just the ramblings of delusion, I would however like to be proved wrong!

[seircram]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

The first major key or component in any channeled info is validity. Can you give or quote ANY source where channeled info was validated? (shown to be correct)

The problem with this line of reasoning is that can you prove the channels ARE wrong?

This is like saying, "Can you prove that GOD exists?"

No, right now I can't -- if I could see him/her, talk to him/her, hear from him/her, and you could not, does that prove that GOD [fill in the blank] does not exist?

If I (or any channel, researcher, spiritualist, for that matter) say that in 2012 I/we/someone is going to "Ascend" to a new earth (earth2, an earth "2" vibrational levels above us, the same earth as now but in a "Golden Age", etc.), how can I prove I am "right" and how can someone else "prove" I am wrong?

Maybe we would both be right. There any many pointers that say, "We get what we believe in." In 2012, maybe what I believe is "true" will happen to me, and whatever you believe is true will happen to you.

There are better sources than I for arguing this point. I suggest a good recent book to read is "The Ark of Millions of Years - Vol. 3" (c2008) by Clark and Agnew.

Hey, even if I am wrong, big deal. I will either be dead (and know the truth) or be alive, and be feeling positive because I have followed a path of "Goodness" vs. non-goodness?... And, just in case, I have a big stash of supplies, enough land to grow crops on, precious metals, live in a nuclear free blast and fallout zone (but still have the Nuk masks, iodine and Geiger counter), and live on one of the few spots listed in most "Earth Change" maps as not being underwater.

[Kahunamahalo]

Poo

[seircram]

Originally Posted by Kahunamahalo

Poo

"Hubble Finds Unidentified Object in Space, Scientists Puzzled

This is exactly why we send astronauts to risk their life to service Hubble: in a paper published last week in the Astrophysical Journal, scientists detail the discovery of a new unidentified object in the middle of nowhere. I don't know about you, but when a research paper conclusion says "We suggest that the transient may be one of a new class" I get a chill of oooh-aaahness down my spine. Especially when after a hundred days of observation, it disappeared from the sky with no explanation. Get your tinfoil hats out, because it gets even weirder.

The object also appeared out of nowhere. It just wasn't there before. In fact, they don't even know where it is exactly located because it didn't behave like anything they know. Apparently, it can't be closer than 130 light-years but it can be as far as 11 billion light-years away. It's not in any known galaxy either. And they have ruled out a supernova too. It's something that they have never encountered before. In other words: they don't have a single clue about where or what the heck this thing is."

http://gizmodo.com/5049896/hubble-fi...bject-in-space

[sonique a. senshun]

Hey Nibiru was supposed to be coming in 2003... just as much stuff was on the net back then! Do you know what planet X is? A fear tactic. Makes you feel hopeless, powerless, desperate... feeding the negativity.
There are other sources of this "earth 2" theory, and they are to do with timelines... I believe, as proposed on camelot, that we are "off" the very negative path, and surfing the unknown... therefore creating it as we go. Let your higher self be your only guide and live in love every moment. That is the key.
Blessed be, *s*a*s*

[seircram]

Originally Posted by Bill Ryan

Dear All:

I mean no-one here any personal disrespect when I offer my own (very strong and clear) opinion that the subject of this thread is nonsense.

It's the only word I can use. You have been grossly misinformed... in my opinion. Nothing like this is happening or will happen.

Very best wishes to all - Bill

It's interesting that basically your most recent interview with Bob Dean reflects pretty much what I posted, some dates are different, body styles different, etc.

Which of the "several" planetary bodies that NASA and/or Black Ops don't tell us about are of "intelligent" design? Bob Dean mentions "terraforming" activities...

He mentions the idea of being a "higher dimensional" immortal being and meeting beings of MUCH higher dimensions... "Timeless Realms"... Reincarnations, "old souls", etc.

He ends by saying, "Get rid of the fear... you have nothing to fear, you are an immortal timeless being who has an infinite future... Don't be afraid for God sakes, gather around you those you love, spread that love around and go into tomorrow with courage because you have been through a hell of a lot worse before..."

Sound familiar:

1) The Anunaki/Nefilum are coming. You can deal with them via love (via unconditional love you are ready for Ascension) and courage (even if you die, you move on to the next great Spiritual Classroom).

2) Anunak/Nefilum are major players in what we term "New World Order" and all the fear/negativity that surrounds that agenda.

3) A key difference between Ascension and Soul/Spirit is whether you manifest (your current) a body as a Soul vessel or not. Does it matter where you Ascend to (it's got to be better than the current Earth1)? Even if you don't "Ascend" right now, or even soon, the next level STILL have to be better than the current Earth1.

So, best wishes to everyone and keep and OPEN mind. "Nonsense" is a very powerful, but useless energy.

[munkey]

Originally Posted by seircram

The only gotcha is that the channeling sessions are only available for a cost (like many others - the downside of having to make a living doing channeling or a similar lifestyle).

Ghandi worked for free to better his people.
mother teraza worked for free to help the unfortunate
Jesus never charged for a miracle.
Buddha gave up all to search for enlightenment

In fact those that are truley out to help mankind do it for nothing.
But everyone needs to make a living right?
well if you reach a higher level of conciousness, you understand that you don't need money.

If it is a true message it will be given to all for free, if it is meant to be out there, it will find a way to spread the good news.

I know of so many people who have been to psychics only to be told the same thing.
I have told a few people all about their life, even up to their favorite color.
(all for free)

I don't do it now because it scares the hell out of people and you find that you have no friends because there is something about you they can't understand.
even to this day I still consider myself a loner because I can't really relate to other people, My wife loves me, but doesn't understand me.

[Malletzky]

Originally Posted by munkey

Ghandi worked for free to better his people.
mother teraza worked for free to help the unfortunate
Jesus never charged for a miracle.
Buddha gave up all to search for enlightenment

In fact those that are truley out to help mankind do it for nothing.
But everyone needs to make a living right?
well if you reach a higher level of conciousness, you understand that you don't need money.

If it is a true message it will be given to all for free, if it is meant to be out there, it will find a way to spread the good news.

.

I agree with you. Especially the one among us, gifted with a "bit higher" consciousness that ours, should consider giving more then the value of what is given.

Their reward will come. Or say it with another words: The law of attraction.
Give to be given to you.

[Heretic]

There are hundreds, maybe even thousands of channelers presently disseminating information from "somewhere else"

There are not too many channeled bits of information that agree on the issues they are channeling about, most conflict grossly, in fact the galactic federation of light seems to be in first place for channeled messages matching each other

therefore, someone is lying in a bad way and confusing alot of people on our current times

now I am not trying to say your being lied to, but usually negative entities will lie to your face, claiming they are gods, god himself, aliens, angels, demons, dead people, dimensional beings, and anything that has some "clout" so they can gain trust

this is a good website to understand more about how this happens and how common it is

Discerning Alien Disinformation

I wont sit here and tell you that your being fooled, because I simply do not have the data to do so without doubt. Yet my intuition tells me that you should have your own doubts and should find a way to determine whether your not paying money to someone who is taking advantage of people or who is being taken advantage of themselves.

Not to mention that it doesn't match the characteristics that all we presently know about angels from the bible etc is that they make house calls to talk to people and have no need or limitations that requires them to possess others to talk

discernment is the key

[arcora]

Originally Posted by Heretic

...therefore, someone is lying in a bad way and confusing alot of people on our current times...

Finally...some truth!



Now ask yourself...why do they lie?

[mntruthseeker]

I dont believe that everyone chosen is rich so they will have to charge..........its at a time like this, they should be able to share to the less fortunate

[whitecrow]

Originally Posted by Phoenix

Interesting post but in my opinion just more ramblings from a New Age channel...

Agreed. And a serious distraction from business at hand. What if it is true? Does it mean we don't have to prepare to deal with bad money and no power? It'll be nice if it's true. It'd be even nicer to have a knight in shining spaceship on the way as we speak.

It could happen. Meanwhile I'm being proactive and hopefully sensible.

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I dont believe that everyone chosen is rich so they will have to charge..........its at a time like this, they should be able to share to the less fortunate

I totally agree

David Wilcock is a prime example, yet doesn't he charge for private viewings only?

as I see most of his important work is free and on line but for books, and DVDs and I imagine the movie Convergence will also cost money

yet the information inside the movie and the books is widely distributed free due to the importance of the message

If I were dirt poor, and living on the streets and some incredibly divine being came to me to give a message to the world, it would still be free of charge

my gift in return would simply be charity from those whom I touch with my message, and I have a feeling that would be abundant were it real

peace