Glenn Beck with sound words...but he's on Fox?!

[recallone]

Steve, the only problem with your 'Conservative vs the world' explanation is that there is no party system. The party system is just one more way to keep us distracted, not something that actually represents a working model of government. And it was pointed out that many of the FEMA camps were built during the Bush administration (although most of us know that those camps have been in the process of being built for more than 8 years), so the argument about his shows being nothing more than a voice of dissatisfaction doesn't carry much weight for me.

Pyrangello,

And if you don't like FOX hey there is always free will to turn the channel but for those of you who don't agree with FOX's direction I really have to wonder why your watching FOX enough to critique there programming , HMMM something to think about!

Really?! That's your best offering? I don't watch TV, superstar. I get my news from alternative news sources - NOT mainstream media. These were videos from youtube. I didn't record them and I'm not an avid follower of Glenn Beck. And I'm certainly not a follower of Bill "F@#k it, we'll do it live" O'Reilly. So if we could dispense with the intellectual posturing, I'd really appreciate it.

I assumed I didn't need to state the obvious as points to rule out in this matter. The political party argument is ridiculous because anyone who has done even a moderate amount of research concerning U.S. politics knows that we don't live in a democracy anymore. 'Turn the channel' isn't even remotely applicable guidance because I'm not trying to figure out what size Glenn Beck Show t-shirt I need to order, but how they're using these broadcasts to manipulate the minds of the masses.

If they're trying to bring attention to these things, the big question is WHY. Are they behind schedule? Are they trying to manufacture civil unrest? And if so, WHY are they pushing the timetable - IF that's what they're in fact doing. How much time is left before there is a run on the banks? We know they've been pushing the inevitable collapse of the dollar off by printing more money, but this formula won't work much longer. Meanwhile, they're trying to sneak through gun legislation that prohibits the carrying of firearms in State Parks. I saw three HumVs on a flat bed truck on Interstate 5 on my way to work this morning, all with gun turrets. The stock market has been in 'rally' mode the last few days, but lets not forget that the government has the authority to manipulate those numbers according to one of the executive orders (don't remember which one it is right now).

I brought up this topic not because I need to know if I can trust Glenn Beck, but to discuss what's happening in the propaganda-laden tool of control that is the media. I already know the economy is about to crash, and I know it's by design - what I'm interested in figuring out is how much time is left. Not whether or not I can trust Fox news or the words of my country's politicians. Anyone who believes either is a fool. This is a big, multidimensional puzzle - it must be looked at from all angles to ascertain what's going on, what the motivation is, and how best to keep yourself and your loved ones safe while it's playing itself out.

Arm-chair analysis and condescension is not what you actually think or feel about it, but what they've programmed you to recite about it.
Sorry if this is curt, but I really don't have time to mince words anymore.
Peace

[Steve_A]

Hi recallone,

I wasn't trying to put forward any 'Conservative vs the world' speech.

You asked why Glenn Beck was on Fox and I gave you my opinion. If the Republicans were in power Glenn Beck wouldn't have got a look in.

As for there being a no party system in politics, I thought that opinion was clear by what I had posted. I said that the President just manages the government. His selection of Secretaries, which by the way are bi-partisan are only administrators of their particular sector.

Really you must read more attently to what is posted in the forum before jumping to false conclusions.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by recallone

Steve, the only problem with your 'Conservative vs the world' explanation is that there is no party system. The party system is just one more way to keep us distracted, not something that actually represents a working model of government.

[recallone]

No, Steve. YOU need to read a little more closely.
I didn't ask WHY he was on Fox, but what the true agenda is. You're trying to offer the truth of what's going on by expounding on the very system that PROMOTES the deception. It's not about the conservatives, republicans, democrats or anything else. All of that is smoke and mirrors to keep the sheeple distracted and occupied. If we're focused on how this party is trying to smear the name of that party and how that party is wrong because of this and that then we're not only endorsing the illusion with our beliefs, but we're overlooking what's really going on.

As for your statement

I said that the President just manages the government. His selection of Secretaries, which by the way are bi-partisan are only administrators of their particular sector.

Do you REALLY believe that Obama is managing anything? Was Bush? They're all just puppets. How many NEW players did Obama appoint? Watch this interview with Gerald Celente. "By their deeds you shall know them".

You're trying to say that Glenn Beck is on Fox because its a Republican station and they want to lay the blame on Obama's Democratic doorstep for everything that's going wrong and is about to go even more wrong. Don't you see the shortcomings of that explanation? There is no democratic or republican parties - it's all a big puppet show to keep you, the average citizen watching the one hand, while the other hand - the real government, the ones who are really in control - is steadily raping us of our rights. Elected representatives were telling congress that their constituents were overwhelmingly opposed to the bailout...but it went through anyways. Is there a political party explanation for that, too? Or is the answer more obvious? I think there is. There is no democracy.

The idea that Fox is a "Republican" news channel implies that another news channel with different political affiliations is more trust worthy. Is there any news channel on television that actually reports what they want to report? Or are they handed the script same as every other news channel? Here's an interesting spotlight on Fox, in case you haven't seen it.

All of the news channels across the board allow the pertinent issues to fade away while we focus on Octomom or American Idol. They're ALL under the thumb of the PTB, keeping us focused on what they WANT us focused on. And disappointingly enough, it's working. Even in here.

In the past, Fox has been even more transparent than some of the other stations in their intent, so it's been easier for us to see how the opinions of their viewers are manipulated by the stories and commentaries. This is a new approach, however. I'm interested in what it really means, what they're trying to accomplish...without the employ of political rhetoric that's essentially empty to begin with as a means of discussing it.

[mu2143]

recallone you right on, what it looks like what the elite is doing. Is to try to steer the main stream media Robots in a direction of there control.

Forgot about the mainstream media your never going to find anything, but getting lost. Onless for those that start to think for them self wil look for the information them selfs ,but most people wil not try it anyway. They think there stil going to work in 2013/2014, but the old way will be totaly gone by that date.

2009 will be the year of change that the autobots did not vote for

[Steve_A]

Hi recallone,

With all due respect you asked two questions in your initial post.

"But he's on Fox!! WTF?!"

and

"Any thoughts?"

You said that you wondered what was the agenda by putting this man on the air.

If you asked, "Any thoughts?", the replies offered were what you asked for.

Trying to steam roller them won't change them.

I could try to argue with you that perhaps you are looking too much into it.

I am non-political, nor American, nor really interested in party politics, however to suggest that another channel is more trustworthy because it isn't Republican is relative to whom is watching. It is up to us to discern the information offered by these news channels (in the case of Fox not much) and arrive at our own conclusions.

Of course, in the case of channels like Sky that are owned by the Rudolf Murdochs, or Bishop Marcelos of this world, of course they are used to try and influence the way we think and to put out messages in favour of their owners, whom are mostly politicians, but then I go back to what I have already stated in the last paragraph.

The TV channels do what they want. What will be will be.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by recallone

No, Steve. YOU need to read a little more closely.
I didn't ask WHY he was on Fox, but what the true agenda is. You're trying to offer the truth of what's going on by expounding on the very system that PROMOTES the deception.

[Humble Janitor]

I avoid Fox News because the network is totally negative-orientated, right-wing biased propaganda. Their affiliates are just as bad and are a bunch of cheap bastards because they don't caption their broadcasts.

You better believe that they'd mix in lies with any amount of truth that they get. In the long run, they are just the same as the networks they claim are not fair and balanced. As long as Uncle Rupert is pulling the strings, the dummies will talk.

[recallone]

Originally Posted by Humble Janitor

I avoid Fox News because the network is totally negative-orientated, right-wing biased propaganda. Their affiliates are just as bad and are a bunch of cheap bastards because they don't caption their broadcasts.

You better believe that they'd mix in lies with any amount of truth that they get. In the long run, they are just the same as the networks they claim are not fair and balanced. As long as Uncle Rupert is pulling the strings, the dummies will talk.

RIGHT! Which makes Glenn Beck's recent contributions even more eye brow raising. Bringing to the mainstream media's attention - FEMA camps? He's sounding the alarm that very much needs to be sounded, but....he's on FOX! I'm trying to figure out if guys like Glenn Beck and Alex Jones are regular guys who happen to be in the right place to spread the word, or if they're just more pawns in the chess game, inserting the right amount of panic to tip the scales in the direction desired by the PTB.

The collecting of pictures from concerned Americans is one of a number of things that really grabbed my attention. I'm beginning to think that we're not as close to civil unrest as they'd like and so they're trying to stir things up with guys like Glenn Beck. But then, a part of me wants to believe that he's just a concerned citizen like so many of us.
Frustrating.

[Humble Janitor]

I still don't like Beck but you know, someone's gotta say it.

It's too bad that the 2012 stuff, microchipping stuff is usually tied to religious movements and easily and ignorantly dismissed by the mainstream.

[Steve_A]

Hi recallone,

If the PTB wanted to stir things up, every media outlet would have 'stir up' comments, "Raise up your arms".

Using that argument, if they wanted to carry that message, Fox would have EVERY Alex Jones type person in their programming, and not only on Fox, but on all of the channels within the company.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by recallone

I'm beginning to think that we're not as close to civil unrest as they'd like and so they're trying to stir things up with guys like Glenn Beck. But then, a part of me wants to believe that he's just a concerned citizen like so many of us.
Frustrating.

[recallone]

Originally Posted by Steve_A

Hi recallone,

If the PTB wanted to stir things up, every media outlet would have 'stir up' comments, "Raise up your arms".

Using that argument, if they wanted to carry that message, Fox would have EVERY Alex Jones type person in their programming, and not only on Fox, but on all of the channels within the company.

Best regards,

Steve

I'm sorry, Steve, but to expect the media to bombard us with panic inducing reports all at once is almost as (and please forgive the word) naive as when people we're trying to wake up ask "Well, why isn't anyone on the news reporting about it?" i.e. - illuminati, chem trails, alien agenda, bird flu, fluoride, etc. The legitimacy is questioned by the herd because they don't see it on the news or read about it in the paper. Are we to overlook this chess piece because the PTB isn't blasting us with it? Looking too far into it? I thought that's what we're all doing in here.

I'm more of the mind to give a nod to the effectiveness of the attitudes displayed by some of the morning show hosts as he lays out some of the info he's planning on sharing on his (then) upcoming show. Take a look at that morning show segment and see how they're pushing their (programmed) opinions onto the population. One guy is trying to confuse the issue by pointing out that FEMA is a FEDERAL agency and "what's that got to do with..." and then the other bubbly no-brain barbie throws in her comment about pot "Ten seconds to defend yourself". The sheeple know what they're opinions are about that nasty drug (exactly what they were TOLD to think about it!), so the mere mention of it will lessen the impact of what he's saying anyways. We've seen it before with UFO reports. You might see a very decent journalistic offering concerning the recent sighting, but then the anchor throws his little two cents in at the completion of the story by saying something dismissive like, "Well, I guess some people will believe anything" and the story is almost immediately dismissed in the minds of the masses. You see what I'm getting at?
It's a kind of damage control. Issue the opinions about the subject matter before all of the information has even been presented and the people know what stance they have on it if it's brought up in conversation. They don't do anything in an obvious way. They know the average person is pretty thick, but not that bad. It's up to us to see through their strategy and be one step ahead. That's my intention anyways.

Pyrangello, regarding the subject of religion and god. I don't dismiss the miracles and answered prayers that are so pivotal in various faiths. I do, however challenge who is getting the credit for them. People may pray to various saints and god, but the reason for their prayers being answered is because they believed they would be. They expected them to be. Law of attraction.

What I'm suggesting is not a pioneering idea in spirituality, but one that I believe is more accurate. The focus and belief that great things are possible through god is true, but it's a limited version of the truth - one that's been watered down to still maintain a degree of control. Great things are possible, but it doesn't have to do with a power that is outside of oneself. We have an inherent ability to create and manifest. The notion that our power is through another entity outside of us is the limiting factor.

Take, for instance a teenager and his/her parent. Teenager has a car, but can't drive it anywhere unless mom or dad gives them money for gas. The teenager's ability to go anywhere is therefore limited according to whether or not they're getting decent grades, doing their chores, whatever. That's a degree of control. But once the teenager figures out that he can actually do things for himself to make the money (job, whatever) for the gasoline, that control becomes illusory.

The same applies with our relationship to a higher being that's separate from us. We need a savior. We need guidance. We're not enough. The truth is that we are enough - the only reason why we're limited in our abilities is because we believe we are, and we therefore create our limitations. There is still a terrific amount of valuable information in these various religious texts, but one must understand the control that was employed in the writings and translations. Where several are gathered in my name... still holds truth, but if you substitute my name for a common goal the same results will present themselves. In fact, better than the same results because there is no unnecessary additive in the ingredients. There is a reason why the christian faith made blasphemy such a horrible sin. To keep you from the truth.

There is nothing you should feel bad about concerning your ability to create. You shouldn't have to feel guilty about employing your own divine connection to source energy to bring about the things you would otherwise be praying for, whether it be financial comfort, the healing of a loved one, or anything else. Even the term praying implies supplication. I bow to no man, because no man is greater than I. However, I willingly serve because I know I'm serving myself. Does that make sense? We really are all connected. All of us, to every thing.

peace
recallone

[Lorien]

Originally Posted by recallone

RIGHT! Which makes Glenn Beck's recent contributions even more eye brow raising. Bringing to the mainstream media's attention - FEMA camps? He's sounding the alarm that very much needs to be sounded, but....he's on FOX! I'm trying to figure out if guys like Glenn Beck and Alex Jones are regular guys who happen to be in the right place to spread the word........

.....But then, a part of me wants to believe that he's just a concerned citizen like so many of us.
Frustrating.

My heart wants to think this is true, but my gut tells me otherwise.

[pyrangello]

Recall 1 , I'm not a big reader of books but my girlfriend is a big time reader and always floors me with her knowledge of much of what we talk about here.
I was raised catholic, I don't go to church except for funerals and weddings, my parents were very pro-church. And I have visited the vatican which was very impressive. My believe is that I do believe their is a god. And just as strong of that believe are the saints , there is a capuchun priest here in detroit named fr. solanus who is deceased now. He is buried here in detroit at the church. Before Pope John Paul passed away he started the cannonization process on Fr. Solanus to become a saint. He is from what I understand the only priest in the states that this has ever happen too.

My dad met Fr. Solanus when he was a little kid and continued to support that mission until he died. Many , Many favors / prayers have been granted by asking Fr. Solanus for some assistance, thousands and some personally to me. My Dad one day was waling out of the church in the winter, he saw a man sleeping on the bench in the park, My dad went over to him and got him to come home with him , during the 15 years my father ended up taking care of this Man (Jim). My dad got Jim his social security, his teeth fixed, hearing aid, and his own mobile home. All because that was just my dad and who he was.

Remember when I said fr. solanus granted many favors/ prayers. Jim had a sister who was a nun at a nearby church , my dad tracked her down after he tried to find some of jim's relatives. She told my dad she had been praying and praying that someone would take care of her brother and asking fr. solanus to interceed. My dad told her he would make sure Jim would be taken care of . Jim's sister the nun realized her prayers had been answered and passed away 3 days later.

Thats one side of me, I'm always cautious when I speak about religion because it seems like most conflicts on this earth have been because of that.
The other side of me is the avalon side searching for more and the answers, I still remember reading somewhere on the camelot site where a long time ago, where a dying retired navy general stated that if we as individuals knew how much we are capable of , there would be no governments, no more wars, just life . So I am on the search for the answers which I have a funny suspicion are there right within me. So the search goes on.

And Brazil Steve, always like reading your stuff, it always makes myself think more in depth as you bring up great points just like the alex jones thing. Thers still alot of Good around. Gonna plan a bike trip this year to the edgar casey institute this year, I just feel I need to go there for some reason right now. Thats all for today , have to work .