Syphoning

[Antaletriangle]

Everything i've read here so far rings true to the best of my knowledge-sometimes though one has to tolerate negative energies to try and help the person who's emanating them-try and be unselfish and soak up a a little for a small amount of time at least and talk to them about this spiritual realm which most appear to be ignorant of in this electromagnetic soup we live in.The more that are aware of getting back to roots and nature the more momentum will be gained in the long term for a general positive shift.

[Czymra]

Let me rephrase.

How is it accomplished that energy is syphoned off events like group meditations or concerts?

[dayzero]

I'm not sure that it is as such.........

But watching Eastenders, for example, may well bring down the individual and collective vibrational index to lower than it might otherwise be.

[Czymra]

Okay, I will translate this article that I read regarding the topic. Sadly it breaks off before the actual explanation sets in and I hope this thread can gather up into more research along the same line.

Let me credit the article first of all:
It's from the German magazine ZeitenSchrift (similar to Nexus, it's swiss and the name is a pun on the German word for magazine, Zeitschrift.... in this pun it takes on the meaning of TimesWriting or Writing of the Times... possibly even Writing of the Tides....)

Link to the article excerpt indexed on their website:
http://www.zeitenschrift.com/george_bush.ihtml

Link to an online version that I can actually copy this from, luckily there is just about one:
http://www.das-gibts-doch-nicht.info/seite413.php

Here it goes:

All asleep, one awake
(Taken from the second line of "silent night" which in English is 'All is calm, all is bright'. This however is the proper translation)

How the group-consciousness can alter reality. Of interesting experiments and random generators.

Washington, 7th of October 2001. In a TV announcement, US President George W. Bush announces the beginning of air strikes against Afghanistan. For weeks, US Diplomats worldwide have exerted themselves to build a large anti-terror alliance and in fact: the world security council unanimously granted authorisation to the USA which was probably unique in the history of the united nations. In his announcement Bush formulated it like this: "We are being supported by the collective will of the world."
Has he affirmed the solidarity expressed worldwide again? No, he has expressed far more. It is in fact a matter of 'collective will', the group- or human-consciousness. This term is not overstated because, apart from a few states, all the world has declared its solidarity with the American people. This is about a completely different level of conflict which has nothing to do with bombs or cruise missiles - a conflict on mental/spiritual [German term can be misleading, direct translation is 'ghostly' which also refers to the intellect]. Modern science has just recently discovered these mechanisms. The Americans keep emphasising, and that probably with good right, that the war on terror can not be won with bombs and rockets alone. There must be a deciding change in the consciousness of the whole of mankind - the 'collective will'.
This sounds like highly developed consciousness, like a chance for world peace and evolution. However, there is a second side to this - it also requires a to pass a blank cheque to the leading instance - an unlimited trust (which was asked by all of us at this time). This is why heightened awareness is in order.
In our book "Networked Intelligence" (ZS-Book Market) we explained in much detail, what monstrous forces are unleashed by group-consciousness, according to the latest scientific insights. Forces which can alter reality. [I guess this is the often called 'window of opportunity']
For this to work, as mentioned in the book, there are a few requirements:
1. The group must be large enough to activate a group consciousness (in the case of the Afghanistan conflict it was thus extremely important to forge a global anti-terror coalition as otherwise the effectiveness would not be guaranteed) [that could coincide with the phi grid on a more local level]
2. The consciousness of the whole group must be directed toward a shared focus.
3. The group must furthermore be unaware of the actual intent in which these forces are actually used (to further minimise a risk of thwarting).
The principle is hence often called 'all asleep, one awake'.
Item 2 and 3 stand in a certain opposition to each other. To fulfil item 3 it was necessary to keep a large part of the public in the dark. Yet, without daily news from the setting of war, the mass of people would quickly have lost interest in the issue, and each would have returned to daily routine. That would in turn hinder the fulfilment of item number 2. The media policy of the USA thus found a compromise - information around the clock without actual informing.
Tapping in Consciousness Energy?
Now it also becomes clear why the president has not mentioned that some of the important plans will never become public, as he held his speech in front of the congress after the 11th of September. This is not only a matter of usual military secrecy but also a matter of the 'all asleep, one awake' principle. In this case then, the USA are the one that wake. How then can we control if the collective will of the world is put to right use by 'the one that wakes'? Not at all! And this is the danger in this widely unknown technique.

Why do these forces of group-consciousness only work when the group is unaware of the actual intent?
A simple example: Let's assume that a group of people wants to influence an object through mental concentration, possibly a lamp. They enter a state of concentration, possibly meditation. Each visualises the intended target - the lamp.
One of them will imagine a desk lamp, another a chandelier, a third possibly Alladin's flask [German: Lamp]. You already see where this leads: due to the differences in imagination of each participant the complete pictures becomes diffused, it spreads in various directions instead of being focused.
The principle of 'all sleep, one awake' illustrates how this is done properly. The concentration of the group is brought to a shared focus, as for example, the news about the war or the fear of new terror attacks. Other events are similarly appropriate: international football [soccer my American friends] matches, Techno-Gatherings like the Berlin Love Parade [Oh you know this article is German!], natural events like the solar eclipse of 12.8.1999, but most and foremost large mass meditations.

My dear friends. This is only the first part of the article, but as fate would have it, I forgot my laptop charger at work today and I've got 15 minutes of battery life left. I shall let that be a sign to now frolic in my own solitary meditation and will bring you the next part of this essay tomorrow. Meanwhile, discuss away!
(And to the American faction, please excuse that 'the American people' are used in this context. We're aware it's your government and not the whole of America, but Germany's articles sometimes are rather blatant in their argumentation and have bought into the hate-parade against America, as well. I'm aware that you're aware. Please don't take offence.)

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Let me rephrase.

How is it accomplished that energy is syphoned off events like group meditations or concerts?

By just being there

[cantaloupe]

My guess would be that many times what we take in and focus on is psychologically affective by the presence of subliminal or other cues so that the mind is split between what we are consciously witnessing and what our subconscious is doing at the very same time. I think this happens naturally as a function of how the human mind is generally acknowledged to function but the process can be commandeered to the ends of others. We participate energetically without even knowing it. The folks who produce this stuff are very good at it. Just think of advertising.
Also , it may be a matter of conditioning so that the content doesn't even have to operate subconsciously. I love love but, sadly , can watch a murder on screen and not really flinch much, because of my conditioning. I have to say though that lately my sensitivity to this type of content has been increasing a great deal.
I'm not sure of the veracity of this statement, but Super Bowl Sunday, I was told, is one of the biggest days of the year for incidences of domestic violence to occur.
Doesn't really seem like much of a stretch to me.
Cheers,
Cantaloupe

[solitaryman]

my humble opinion ;just like in the biologic world,you have the same relatioships in the world of souls and the world of spirits: parasitism.mutualism.commensalism,symbiosism and other intermediats "isms"

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Kathleen

That is THE question, isn't it? I would imagine it takes years and years of discipline, entrance/induction to a secret society of sorts to be able to accomplish it. If we had the answer to that question imagine the "power" WE would have....to harness the energy from a catholic mass, satanic mass, any celebration, fireworks display...anywhere where a group of people are gathered experiencing an emotion. It must take enormous wealth to set this up...and an entirely devious mind to accomplish it.

I deduce from the article you linked that you are referring to an event like 911 or an assasination or some such event that gets into the psyche of a people that can then be used for various assorted nefarious means....

(My question would then be; can it be thwarted by being aware of it?)

????

I personally don't intend to build such a system. I just want to recognise it. 777 over on the 'Breaking Codes' thread never accomplished to answer my questions regarding this either, yet he knows so many intricacies behind this system. It's still beyond me how a can with 7up written on it can actually influence me.

My threads always seem to drift on here. Are my questions off? Am I being manipulated? The Symbolism/Language/Focus thread is basically about the same.
Let me tell you one thing though, this time I'm going to nail it in, even if I have to discuss it with myself.

[777 The Great Work]

Its the secret of the black indestructuble box on the plane. There is no - thing in the box ,yet all things manifest from the box based on focused intention. The box is the womb of dark matter of the sacred feminine.This box does not judge you or operate based on duality of good and evil. Its aladin's lamp.Your wish is my command.The brotherhood knows this so they keep the masses focused on their intention of what they desire from the box. I'm not sure if you watched the tv show lost,but there was the black box on the island that would give you anything you ask.The eye land is the pineal gland sorounded by water.Its the G8 way or starg8 to infinity.

You see there are no things because if all matter is empty space so no thing can occu pi the space.All is conciousness,even the can of 7up.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by 777 The Great Work

Its the secret of the black indestructuble box on the plane. There is no - thing in the box ,yet all things manifest from the box based on focused intention. The box is the womb of dark matter of the sacred feminine.This box does not judge you or operate based on duality of good and evil. Its aladin's lamp.Your wish is my command.The brotherhood knows this so they keep the masses focused on their intention of what they desire from the box. I'm not sure if you watched the tv show lost,but there was the black box on the island that would give you anything you ask.The eye land is the pineal gland sorounded by water.Its the G8 way or starg8 to infinity.

You see there are no things because if all matter is empty space so no thing can occu pi the space.All is conciousness,even the can of 7up.

I somehow see where you are coming from but it is still highly abstract. Why then can I not conjure things out of the nothing?
In a sense you're also talking about schroedinger's cat, I think?

Thanks for joining the discussion, I follow your 'Breaking the Code' with excitement but at the same time it seems rather ludicrous to me!
(no offence)

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Czymra

I somehow see where you are coming from but it is still highly abstract. Why then can I not conjure things out of the nothing?
In a sense you're also talking about schroedinger's cat, I think?

Thanks for joining the discussion, I follow your 'Breaking the Code' with excitement but at the same time it seems rather ludicrous to me!
(no offence)

You are conjuring things out of Mt space all the time. You conjured this thread up out of Mt space. What i do is try to show that there is order in the Kaos, and that all things are connected and there are no random occurences. This is actually a self initiated process that has awakened me on a soul level and has taken away fear. Everything that we see is an archetype of some higher principle.

For xample,the computer is the archetype of collective conciousness that you can enter your desire ,and it will appear in some form or another by connecting cross time and space.But you can't get the message by pressing one key.In order to learn the language of music you must use all the keys and notes on the instrument.

The symbols cause you to play all the keys and overides the sound of one note. Thats just how i feel personally.I can only speak for what it has done for me. First we must become Mt of this and that,and then we can be filled.

[777 The Great Work]

I don't think you realize the power of words and speech.You can create a thread on this forum that will drag someone through the mud ,based on their level of conciousness.It can literally drain the energy from someone especially if they are drowning in emotions. I have been around such individuals that are energy vampires.You leave the conversation feeling depleted and they are skipping away because they have taken all your energy.

Create a thread and put emergency martial law and watch what happens. It will get 1000000000000000 hits because people are afraid of their circumstances changeing.But i bet you martial law has another meaning besides the one given to the masses.

There is a section on this forum called what does it mean.When you ask that question,it means you have to think.We suffer because we stop thinking and asking questions and gave a small group from the collective the power to think for the whole.

[judykott]

Is the root of your avatar to represent this principal. Czym ty jestes? - a question suggesting a derogatory answer. Are you telling me you have never had the experience of being around someone that drained your energy?

One does not need to harness something that has been given by docile masses, but the intent to use it can then be directed by the one who is awake. Energy is energy and the intent to direct it is enough. Also the observer has been shown to change an experiment in science so the observer wanting to can direct the energy of what they believe to be the outcome whither it be ritual, ceremony or science experiment. Your own postings seem to hold the question answered.


(I ask you for a cup. You give me the tea. Do you expect me to burn my hands?quote czymra) This seems a derogatory question to me. I gave you a cup I perceived as full of what you had asked for (my thoughts on the subject), you perceived it as I gave you tea. Maybe burning questions burns your hands?

[Czymra]

I don't think you realize the power of words and speech.You can create a thread on this forum that will drag someone through the mud ,based on their level of conciousness.It can literally drain the energy from someone especially if they are drowning in emotions. I have been around such individuals that are energy vampires.You leave the conversation feeling depleted and they are skipping away because they have taken all your energy.

Create a thread and put emergency martial law and watch what happens. It will get 1000000000000000 hits because people are afraid of their circumstances changeing.But i bet you martial law has another meaning besides the one given to the masses.

I am aware of energy vampirism. I see this is a part of the equation but not my original concern. When a person faces another, I know there a countless ways in which one can drain or energise the other.

What I'm trying to get at is through what means exactly, and moreover, how this is done on a scale as indirect as tapping into a mass meditation.
As I understand it, the mental force can open a window of opportunity, the stronger or larger the group (or individual) the stronger the effect. Now I can imagine that around such a window (focus) a net is spun that somehow diverts the energy to the true goal. I wonder how that diversion is achieved.

Is the root of your avatar to represent this principal. Czym ty jestes? - a question suggesting a derogatory answer. Are you telling me you have never had the experience of being around someone that drained your energy?

I'm not as skilled as you are in the art of dissecting. Please explain further as I'm not able to follow, however I'm curious as my nickname 'just came to me' and I have yet to find a deeper meaning in it.
I'd be surprised to find one I'm can be convinced of. The closest I found is Welsh in Welsh which is 'cymraeg'.

One does not need to harness something that has been given by docile masses, but the intent to use it can then be directed by the one who is awake. Energy is energy and the intent to direct it is enough. Also the observer has been shown to change an experiment in science so the observer wanting to can direct the energy of what they believe to be the outcome whither it be ritual, ceremony or science experiment. Your own postings seem to hold the question answered.

I think I see where you are coming from but how can you say that one does not need to harness it? I mean, 'where' or 'how' is this energy? Has somebody put it in a jar meanwhile? I doubt one can keep it stored, but then, as explained above, I'm curious as to the diversion. Can one re-intend the energy? If so, isn't Astralwalker's 'make sure you send the right intention with your love energy, marking it so it will reach Gaia and Gaia only' rather useless?
Again it seems according to these statements that one can do all sorts of things. That is wonderful, but my mind still doesn't know HOW. Is it intent? Is it emotion? Do thus, whenever there is a force to be captured and diverted, a bunch of occult priests sit in their cellar and conduct a ritual that somehow symbolises the diverting of that energy? Is it then symbols again that channel and lead this process? Can it be anything? Can I sit here and with enough intensity of meaning behind, words, intents and symbols make my own little powerful diversion? Is it just a matter of externalising and manifesting those intents I have in a physical manner?
And if so, why would I need to bring what is not of the third dimension into the third dimension?

I agree, somehow my own posting seems to answer the question, yet... not. I'm not sure how to put it. Maybe I'm just riding on semantics but as I said, I'd really like to get this nailed and any assistance is highly welcomed!

(I ask you for a cup. You give me the tea. Do you expect me to burn my hands?quote czymra) This seems a derogatory question to me. I gave you a cup I perceived as full of what you had asked for (my thoughts on the subject), you perceived it as I gave you tea. Maybe burning questions burns your hands?

I am deeply sorry if I offended you. I am aware that my blatancy seems cynic but it is not meant as such. I am merely trying to illustrate that I feel like I'm being given content without a form to hold it and it's flowing through my fingers faster than I can lick it from them.
I would understand to turn of my intellect here if it was a matter of meditation and stillness but this magick seems to be a play on the mind, so I'm keen to let my mind penetrate it.
(And yes, I'm sure I'm burning my own fingers playing with fire...)

Thats fine because it can stand on its own without any validation.I don;t post things to get validation.I just love to 5612945376394 i'm counting right now how many times you ask the same questions in different form.Thats the power of speech. 1348548394 I count every thing i'm still counting. I can't seem to stop I won't stop

What you and Judy are up to is way beyond me and impressive to say the least. You see what position I currently take and from there I'm not sure if I should even start to engage with it, but don't think I don't respect it. In fact you might see some things from my end sometime soon that I will be unable to explain to myself for similar reasons, I believe.
I know I'm asking the same question again in different ways but I'm sure you understand it's necessity at times.

Thanks for all the input so far!

[Czymra]

Just as an addendum to illustrate the concept described in the article I translated, this article discovers the same kind of focus on Obama:
http://www.davidicke.com/content/view/18281

[777 The Great Work]

Here is another response for you to consider.
Ritual works like this,create several places where people come together, and call these places atlantis,create a movie called atlantis,give a pop star the name atlantis,create a film production company called atlantis,make products labeled atlantis.

This all is focused into the black box.What ever we focus our attention on, is what we become concious of.

Another example,say or show the numbers 911 to someone in the corporate world, and you will get a response.Not because of sept 11,but because it had already been planted in the mass conciousness to mean emergency.Who new that emergency had a dual meaning of emerge and see from the illusion of duality..

Is the average person aware that every time they click on that red x in the corner of your monitor,that they are being trained to recieve the mark of the beast, and also pay no attention to the duality of things at the same time.X marks the spot.I've heard that since i was a kid and now i know what the intention is behind the phrase.Every time we click on that x it goes into the box.Xbox 360 or 666

Here is another ritual that took place with the space program. The shuttles went up like this.Endevour,Discovery,Atlantis and the Challenger was destroyed.Here is the message that went into the box.An endevour for the discovery of Atlantis and the Challenger will be destroyed. Ask any one in the world what happened to the shuttle Challenger? Think like Satan ,and then rise above the archetype. No one can control you when you know what they know.We are all seeking enlightenment and eternal life

[Czymra]

I'm not sure what to say, your info is highly valuable, but it's info. Nothing more.
I'll get back when I found another method of approaching this.

[futureyes]

oedilroad ... this resonates with me ... the syphoning of energy to be inclusive of the sexual component ... yes ... old school knowledge indeed ... where it stemmed from ...

i am not familiar with the knowledge in text although i know it in my own way ...

interesting ...

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by oedilroed

Syphoning (sexual) energy, storing that, and re - using or deploying that energy, is old knowledge.
That dates way back to Atlantis, and is of extraterestial (reptillian) origin.
Syphoning off energy is the basis of BDSM - although the great majority who practische this are unaware of this.
There exist machines to syphon off energy from individuals.
Wilhelm Reich was aware of this, and did develop his Orgone accumulator, and while his accumulator was intended to capture cosmic orgone, it could also be charged with one´s own (sexual) energy.
While this kind of knowledge is highly obscure here in the west, In the easteren countries ( India) there is a strong underground tradition in this - also today.

I have reasons to believe, that many who are adicted to BDSM activities in this life, have a history of past lives where they where energy slaves: forced to having their sexual energy syphoned off. ( or where masters who did "milk" the slaves)
Quit a lot of evil has been done in the past.
But possibly now is also the time to face this and integrate it.

This is a vast and deep subject, that is beyond the scope of this forum and that may well be inapropiate to deal with here.
" Go with that kind of talk to a BDSM site " may very well be a reaction, but believe me: those people do not know what the heck this subject is .

Also, I´am aware that this subject matter may be offensive to members here.
For that reason , I will not further elaborate on this, but those who feel inclined to do so, can always send me a PM.

Yes, I replied to another forum member here about exactly such issues on the "I want to make my attitude on alines very clear" (or so) thread by Egg. However, I did not connect the two issues yet, thanks a lot. This gives me new leads for sure.
It's interesting that victims even develop this addiction to abuse. One could almost wonder whether that emotional state was also invented to attach the slave to the master.
Luckily, I've just about figured that I shouldn't get into that sh*t when it was up to date.

On the syphoning end however, is there something like remote BDSM? Maybe one can view the whole of what 777 is talking about as a domination matter. I shall have to think on this.

Thanks a lot!

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by oedilroed

Yes, "addiction to abuse" does exist, and as any adiction has to do with neuroptides produced by the brain.

certain sensations (= the abuse ) are sought, because then the brain does produce the neuroptides, the sensation being only the trigger that does release the neuroptides.

Yes, " remote BDSM " does exist : syphoning, can be done by psychic link ( say in conjuction with a video call )

This sounds rather alarming, but there is also good news: there is no need to be a victim: You have the power to recall the energy you lost.
If you are aflicted with fantasies about having your energy syphoned of ( or have fantasies doing this to others )
It is possible to integrate those: They will not go away, but will cease to bother you.

Also, there is a light side to syphoning: it is a wonderful way to share in each energies: An awakened hart will dispel all dark shadows of guilt and shame

Furthermore, it is possible to take in cosmic energy while you are being syphoned, meaning you get energised while being syphoned off.

A path of experience exist to "walk through" this isue - to get released of any hold it may have on you.
BDSM can also be used as a healing experience: creating a safe environment to confront and live through parts of our shadowside: confronting the dark, without being its victim.
To do this, a deep bond of respect and confidence is needed between "top" and " bottom", they being united by hart energy.

Ah, truly enlightening. I can see that this CAN be another mode of catharsis due to facing one's own dark side. But the trust level can't be underestimated.
The question here is, how is a master/servant relationship built between the 'waker' and the 'sleeper'?

777 would say this is media, and I have to agree, but let's put that aside for a moment, could there be any other ways?

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by oedilroed

Trust is something that is build up.
How ? Start a conversation (using this tread, or by PM ) and share your story, while you also learn the story from the other side.
How do the answers feel ? how is the energy ?
Above all, how does it feel for You ?

No intelectual discussion is going to make any difference to your problem.
But understanding with experience wil.

I do not see myself as a "waker" who believes he must lead " sleepers"
Neither are you asleep - you only do not know how to handle a fascination.
a fascination that has a grip on you, and may tempt you to go into dangerous experiences. - especialy when doing this with the wrong people

I have the advantage of practical knowledge, - This includes, shamanism, past life readings, and among other things, being hooked up on a machine that syphones of sexual energy, also doing the same to other men - yet, going beyond being a victim or a perpetrator.
So, I know what I speak about.
Can you trust me ? Can I trust you ?

The only way to find out is by starting a dialogue and evaluate the answers you get - that is the way I do it when dealing with others.

I´am prepared to go with you in an open and candid conversation either here, or in private.
I only require the same openness and straightforwardness that I give you.

Well, out in the open it is stranger!
(You're a manipulative challenger already but hey, that's fine... so far.)
Yet I am already a little weary of your appearance on this forum because of the first post I've read of you. Furthermore I want to note that this 'intellectual discussion here' is so far not a fascination with evil and I don't think I am currently about to burn my fingers on anything as I've left abusive relationships way behind me. The purpose, so far, was to simply interrogate what's 'out there' and 'how' it's possible.

As for the 'sleepers' and 'wakers', I would strongly hope that none of this forum are either... but hey, if I learned something recently then it is that 'spiritually advanced' has nothing to do with how one treats other people, or at least some of them 'gurus' don't seem to have that part of it figured. Sad.

Nevertheless, I shall take your invitation by heart however, as I am well aware that many (if not most) things are well beyond intellectual discussions, or for that sake, words at all.
It's only a week since I asked "So how DO I ask a question with my body?" This was entirely in a martial arts manner, mind you (hello Kathleen, all clean here so far).

No matter, I'm most curious to your idea of bringing this, on a forum, from an intellectual discussion to an actual experience or are you about to pay me a flight to Belgium?
Bring it on!

[Czymra]

Okay, all well. So what's the game plan? Trust? Talking?

"Tell me of your mother."

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by oedilroed

Start with talking, there is realy no other way to start.
Without intimacy and trust we get nowhere.
And these must be build up.
We build that up by being vulnarable, and taking chanches with each other.

This is not about some weird "kick" or the satisfaction of intelectual curiosity.
This is about facing your own internal darkness, confronting the fears and guilt that linger there. To see those for what they realy are, for none of that can have any hold on you - but to know that, you must face them. And that requires courage - and a safe environment, in wich to have real intimacy

Without this, I would say; don´t bother.

I think we're talking past each other. What you say I live day by day. Not that I have perfected it but I've seldom seen someone so honest as me outside this board and I'm constantly working on my humility (I know, call me pretentious but I really do always try to recognise my failings).

When you cam in at first it seemed that you wanted to engage in that process of getting to know each other, now it seems as if we're back to the theory again.

If it's the theory we're on about, the only real question in my mind is: "When there is enough trust with a person, what then and what insights am I to look for in regards to this topic and how do I stay away from abuse?"

Admittedly, that's more then one question but the essence is the same.

Fill me in, I'm confused. (Or empty me? That might be more important when confused but I'd lose my focus.)

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by oedilroed

Yes, aparently we do not understand each other here.
Why not tell us, how you got involved with "syphoning" ?
And saying "NO" is a way to stay out of abuse.

This sounds like group therapy and I do hope you won't play the therapist all along here. Otherwise I'll have to consider the possibility that I move into an abusive relationship right now.
So I'll toss the ball on the end of this, get ready to catch. (Where's Josefine by the way?)

So, you've asked a simple question here, and as the beauty with simple questions and my rising awareness is that you've unlocked Pandora's box and I shall unleash the multitude of answers that can be given to this question, and this may indeed happen in the danger of losing all grammatical correctness and semantical properness. In fact, the more of this I pick up the more it feels that it's spinning out of control, this time however, maybe things are actually just spinning with a longer radius. Who knows.
Off we go.

How excellent that my fingers are used to typing English in a fast and non-controlled manner that all can flow from the 'it' without thinking so much.
This in fact brings up the memories of probably the only really deep abusive relationship I had but hey, let's open this fan wider before we go there:

When asked how I got involved with syphoning however, that doesn't imply that you actually want to hear about that.
Let's start with this thread.
I read the article I translated and it just appeared like a terribly interesting topic. I have yet to figure out why I find it so intriguing. As stated before it has little to nothing to do with empowering myself by using the tools that are being explored. In fact, I might have wanted pride myself with the idea of learning a protection against them and furthermore contribute to this topic on the Nexus thread, where I brought concerns among these lines up several times. It didn't seem like anyone was listening, so hey, maybe I'm just trying to prove them wrong. There are all kinds of inputs right?

You could of course also say that this is my pattern, that this is what I now figured is a part of my self-abusive tendency and it comes down the pipe without me really realising why I engage with it. Very possible, but as I am aware of that I'm thinking there has to be more to it.

I cannot say much about this 'other' curiosity. I suppose it's one of those matters of resolving karmic residue maybe even from past lives. That still sounds way beyond me though so any such suppositions seem utterly pretentious.

(You're picking up a pattern in my words I'm sure... )

I believe I'm mainly over the abusive situations in my life and in fact, I have yet to find another big karmic issue apart from learning to pay attention to detail and... I forgot the other one. I think it's motivation... and in fact if that is the case I'm resolving that right now.

Way to go!

To get at more detail however, I think if there is abusive stuff going on, it's probably more the helper syndrome.
Yes, I have learned to undermine domination abusers, I have learned to elegantly escape them with the right mixture of humility and 'no'. No worries there. The ultimate weapon indeed has become to have an utterly brutal honesty towards all. Not that I'm completely there, I was once, but that also is a form of self-torture unnecessary. It's now become a matter of balancing the 'pushing it' side with the 'don't waste your time' side. As you might realise this very act is such an act of pushing it with honesty. I'm sure there will be people that think I'm full of myself and others that love me for it. That situation, when taken rightly is a catharsis in itself and I can't imagine myself much more vulnerable than giving out all there is. Granted, it's easier on a forum than in real life... the problem in real life is simply that no one asks for it. In fact most people are scared by me offering so much. Maybe that's another tendency of self-torture, there is a pattern.

No matter, every time I do it I learn. Is this an addiction? Maybe it is but I find it a teaching experience that brings me ever further so I don't see anything wrong with it. It's not like being addicted to chocolate.


If in fact, if this is a matter of me still being in a kind of abusive relationship, and yes I think that may be so, then it is a matter of the helper-syndrome.
...and here my writing flow just dies away.
How is it that someone can make me dependant by depending on me? Why do I even buy into this? I did all I could this time to prevent it. Still, it didn't resolve. I fail at this point to come up with any justification for my actions nor for their absence. I know I don't need justification, in fact nothing really does. It's a misconception as far as I understand it. Yet, conscience, which so far was my term for 'higher self' as it lead and protected me in this rather wonderful life I lead, seems to suggest to hold on to this relationship.
No, there is no awareness of her abusing me in any way. I can not tell if she does it or not. I guess it's my pattern rather then hers. But who knows. Only further merciless self-examination will bring an answer.

To briefly account for the real abusive relationship that I got so hooked on when I was a teenager... how shall I express it. I never felt so dead as when trying to help someone live who already died inside. Rotting inside being alive is probably the best description. If it has taught me one thing it is that my problems are my problems, and other people's problems are theirs.
That does not exclude that I can change another by changing myself, for we are all one, but it means that I have to change my problems within me, not other people.
The hardest task is just to see the pale reflections in the mirror of life when there isn't some 'teacher' that smacks them in your face.

Last but not least, syphoning might also be interpreted as a matter of being economical with one's energy. There are all kinds of rules out there that suck the energy from one. Behavioural, conceptual, emotional... all rules that tell me not to feel comfortable this way, not to be fine with that attitude, not to accept this and let it go... is this syphoned energy? Is that energy I lose due to tension because I can't let things stream through me naturally, because of the rejection that's been beaten into me, really syphoned? It seems more like it turns stale in my 'body' until I can knock it out or transmute it again. Other times it's more like it deflagrates... vaporises... and floats around aimlessly, ready to chaotically jump on the next susceptible victim.

Is this the matrix of self-propagating fear demons? Is it a grand scheme? It seems more like self-fulfilling prophecy to me.




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Here comes the ball and forgive me for it being a little more offensive than a plain out question:

1. What's with the avatar picture?
2. What is the intention of interpreting the 'The Bull is Gone' post in such a sexual manner and attacking the poster for sexual frustrations. Is all your life's interpretation based on this sexual focus? Not that I can't see the subtext but what's the point of the attack?
3. Since you lead this discourse with me, what do you consider your calling?
4. Do you intend to have a distanced and authoritative wording? (Or is it just me again? Or is it a protection that you built up?)

Respectfully (your picture actually inspired me to take my musqueteer hat of and bow in elegant manner, but it's not supposed to be facetious, rather entertaining... but who knows...)
Czymra

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by oedilroed

Yes, "addiction to abuse" does exist, and as any adiction has to do with neuroptides produced by the brain.

certain sensations (= the abuse ) are sought, because then the brain does produce the neuroptides, the sensation being only the trigger that does release the neuroptides.

Yes, " remote BDSM " does exist : syphoning, can be done by psychic link ( say in conjuction with a video call )

This sounds rather alarming, but there is also good news: there is no need to be a victim: You have the power to recall the energy you lost.
If you are aflicted with fantasies about having your energy syphoned of ( or have fantasies doing this to others )
It is possible to integrate those: They will not go away, but will cease to bother you.

Also, there is a light side to syphoning: it is a wonderful way to share in each energies: An awakened hart will dispel all dark shadows of guilt and shame

Furthermore, it is possible to take in cosmic energy while you are being syphoned, meaning you get energised while being syphoned off.

A path of experience exist to "walk through" this isue - to get released of any hold it may have on you.
BDSM can also be used as a healing experience: creating a safe environment to confront and live through parts of our shadowside: confronting the dark, without being its victim.
To do this, a deep bond of respect and confidence is needed between "top" and " bottom", they being united by hart energy.

BDSM = Quipploth ,I'm leaving this thread alone.