Too many people don't give a damn if they are free or not

lock'N'load · 09-14-2008, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by steve_johnson#985907-1

i am different from most. i don't care if am not free, i live freely regardless. they can't stop me.

Freedom is just a state of mind. The prison bars are comprised of fear and ignorance, once one has lost all fear and realised his true potential as an infinite soul being he can never be imprisoned again.

We are the creaters of our own destiny, to give up this power is to imprison yourself.

steve_johnson#985907-1 · 09-14-2008, 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by lock'N'load

Freedom is just a state of mind. The prison bars are comprised of fear and ignorance, once one has lost all fear and realised his true potential as an infinite soul being he can never be imprisoned again.

We are the creaters of our own destiny, to give up this power is to imprison yourself.

that's my crass way of saying it. they want you to think your a helpless prisoner and i am no prisoner and i am sure as not helpless.

steve_johnson#985907-1 · 09-14-2008, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Patti

Oh I so much, SO MUCH agree with Avid.

I have figured out that, considering how many cctv cameras there are in my city, they can follow my every move. The first camera is monitoring my apartment block, then there's another one down the road, then when I turn left, and then on the bus there are plenty of cameras, and where I work, in a kind of business park, there is another one.

They probably know whenever I have my coffe and where, who I am meeting, and they know what I am watching on TV bc they monitor it with the chip that goes into my receiver.

Or let's say what my husband is watching. I don't really watch TV.

And this is just my example, I am sure all of you who live in cities have the same fate.

What they want is a controlled, dumbed-down, fat nation.

CCTV doesn't really lower crime rates. What a load of rubbish!

It is scary.

you live in a "greenzone" buddy.

I_Am · 09-14-2008, 03:44 PM

This was written in the 1920s by the Arabic author Khalil Gibrain:

On Freedom

At the city gate and by your fireside I have seen you prostrate yourself and worship your own freedom,
Even as slaves humble themselves before a tyrant and praise him though he slays them.
Ay, in the grove of the temple and in the shadow of the citadel I have seen the freest among you wear their freedom as a yoke and a handcuff.
And my heart bled within me; for you can only be free when even the desire of seeking freedom becomes a harness to you, and when you cease to speak of freedom as a goal and a fulfilment.

You shall be free indeed when your days are not without a care nor your nights without a want and a grief,
But rather when these things girdle your life and yet you rise above them naked and unbound.

And how shall you rise beyond your days and nights unless you break the chains which you at the dawn of your understanding have fastened around your noon hour?
In truth that which you call freedom is the strongest of these chains, though its links glitter in the sun and dazzle your eyes.

And what is it but fragments of your own self you would discard that you may become free?
If it is an unjust law you would abolish, that law was written with your own hand upon your own forehead.
You cannot erase it by burning your law books nor by washing the foreheads of your judges, though you pour the sea upon them.
And if it is a despot you would dethrone, see first that his throne erected within you is destroyed.
For how can a tyrant rule the free and the proud, but for a tyranny in their own freedom and a shame in their own pride?
And if it is a care you would cast off, that care has been chosen by you rather than imposed upon you.
And if it is a fear you would dispel, the seat of that fear is in your heart and not in the hand of the feared.

Verily all things move wrthin your being in constant half embrace, the desired and the dreaded, the repugnant and the cherished, the pursued and that which you would escape.
These things move within you as lights and shadows in pairs that cling.
And when the shadow fades and is no more, the light that lingers becomes a shadow to another light.
And thus your freedom when it loses its fetters becomes itself the fetter of a greater freedom.

09-14-2008, 03:44 PM	#4
I_Am Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 117	Re: Too many people don't give a damn if they are free or not This was written in the 1920s by the Arabic author Khalil Gibrain: On Freedom At the city gate and by your fireside I have seen you prostrate yourself and worship your own freedom, Even as slaves humble themselves before a tyrant and praise him though he slays them. Ay, in the grove of the temple and in the shadow of the citadel I have seen the freest among you wear their freedom as a yoke and a handcuff. And my heart bled within me; for you can only be free when even the desire of seeking freedom becomes a harness to you, and when you cease to speak of freedom as a goal and a fulfilment. You shall be free indeed when your days are not without a care nor your nights without a want and a grief, But rather when these things girdle your life and yet you rise above them naked and unbound. And how shall you rise beyond your days and nights unless you break the chains which you at the dawn of your understanding have fastened around your noon hour? In truth that which you call freedom is the strongest of these chains, though its links glitter in the sun and dazzle your eyes. And what is it but fragments of your own self you would discard that you may become free? If it is an unjust law you would abolish, that law was written with your own hand upon your own forehead. You cannot erase it by burning your law books nor by washing the foreheads of your judges, though you pour the sea upon them. And if it is a despot you would dethrone, see first that his throne erected within you is destroyed. For how can a tyrant rule the free and the proud, but for a tyranny in their own freedom and a shame in their own pride? And if it is a care you would cast off, that care has been chosen by you rather than imposed upon you. And if it is a fear you would dispel, the seat of that fear is in your heart and not in the hand of the feared. Verily all things move wrthin your being in constant half embrace, the desired and the dreaded, the repugnant and the cherished, the pursued and that which you would escape. These things move within you as lights and shadows in pairs that cling. And when the shadow fades and is no more, the light that lingers becomes a shadow to another light. And thus your freedom when it loses its fetters becomes itself the fetter of a greater freedom. Last edited by I_Am; 09-14-2008 at 03:58 PM.