On Emotion

[Czymra]

Okay, I may be going down the wrong route with building intellectual models about this, but if we say that fear pins us down and love overcomes it, how can love have no opposite? This is all just a matter of 'high vibration' and 'low vibration' isn't it?

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[tribe of light]

Originally Posted by Czymra

fear pins us down and love overcomes it, how can love have no opposite? This is all just a matter of 'high vibration' and 'low vibration' isn't it?

Love is called the Son to the Father-Mother principle of Creation because the derivative of Oneness is oneness expressed.

Expressed oneness on all levels regardless of vibratory frequency is what we call Love.

Fear is not the opposite of love. Fear does not exist. Fear is the derivative of expressed duality. Fear has its root in ignorance, which is the erroneous belief in self and other which has its root in the great illusion.

When one drops the duality, there are no aliens to abduct you nor psy-ops to mess with any emotion.


The closure of the human drama from the point of view of the soul is when the individual soul ceases to exist in the same manner a glass of water poured into the ocean ceases to be a separate watery essence. The will of the spiritual self is absorbed in the greater Will which is Love and the individual "astral/emotional body" is shattered and replaced by Love Unconditional...

In terms of frequencies or vibrations, this is when the individual transcends the level of mentality, even rarified abstract mentality and pierces the plane of Intuition or Buddhi, which is also the Cosmic counterpart to the individual's emotional body. The Cosmic "emotional body" is radiant Love.

Dualistic behavior is the portal through which an individual is accosted by creepy-crawlies. Remaining positive and not negative (and i mean this more than simple good/bad duality) is the great protector from being harassed on subtle levels.

When the arrows of darkness are shot at the aura of one who remains enveloped in the Great Intuition, the arrows touch the aura of the contemplative One and are transmuted into love for naught exists but It.

Om Namah Shivaya
See the Nataraja of Shiva upon Maya - the illusion.

In the Hindu trinity, Siva is the destroyer/transformer... Thus...
AUM, Adoration to the Will of God or as christians are apt to say Thy Will be done Lord. It is at this point the soul undergoes the great turning away and all karmic delusion ceases. The jiva becomes jivamukta and is thus sweetened by the taste of the funeral pyre. All delusion is burnt up in the Great Contemplation of Oneness... which is Love.

[tone3jaguar]

The concept of emotions are an artifact of our 3rd density society. They are a paradigm that our ego creates in order to save itself from its own demise.

The feelings of fear, lust, anxiety, stress, anger, and impathy are all results of our ego transforming low vibrations into different forms in an effort to externalize them.

The feelings of love, joy, happiness, and exstacy are also a result of our egos effort to externalize these emotions.

It is a natural part of our experience here in 3rd density to experience these emotions through the veils our egos throw up. It is part of our souls progression to learn that all of these emotions are illusions eminating from the ego. Once we have accepted this as our new learned paradigm then we can begin to move into a place where we only recognize these emotions as indicators that we still have work to do on our conscoiusness.

Once we have successfully passed this phase we are able to move into a place of only ever feeling the high vibrations of oneness with source energy. This is what the ascension process is all about.

The transformation from our 3rd density consiousness to 4th density consciousness is what I have described above. Individuals have in the past been able to achive this without the forced learning curve we are all experiencing now. The difference being that it usually takes these people multiple lifetimes to achive this. The end result of this scenario would be the reincarnated ascended masters of the different faiths from around the world.

Now instead of multiple lifetimes of learning, we are on an accelerated program. Rather than sorting through the subconscious core beliefs of our egos, these emotions are spontaniously being purged from our consciousness. This is a frightening and trying experience. Multiple lifetimes of learning squeezed into a small 4 year time frame. Its a bitch, but it has the reward of ascension at the end of it.

[Rareheart]

Awesome topic...emotions.
The questions asked here reveal much about the "askers".
To ponder emotions is to be truely 'alive'...I think.

As I have lived and learned, I have found that simply being aware of which emotions are 'motivating me' at any given moment empowers me.
It's an awareness that requires practice...like any skill...and can be "mastered" as such.

Each apparent answer begs new questions.

Excellent discussion folks.
I particularly like this statement:

The Love of the Creator is beyond all opposites. It includes all opposites. It is one.

very in-line with the Law of One and the Ra material...imho.

[futureyes]

hey cyzmra ... great topic ...

my input on emotions is rather simplistic ... from my experiences ... emotions only exist in 3d ... they are not of higher realms ... their ceiling is within this illusion ... they get checked at the door and remain where we maintain them ... here in this game ...

not a bad thing ... all part in parcel to this human experience we call life ...

rather than allowing emotions to enhance our lives ... what it seems is that we have given them permission to govern our experiences here ... we have forgotten we can create them and release them ... at will ... experience them for the moment which we desire them to be experienced ... then let them go ...

we've forgotten we have the ability and the power to do so ... even forgot how to do so ... sometimes the non-beneficial results to this is that we feel our emotions are the creators of our own selves ... but really ... we are the creators of our emotions ...

from my expriences ... emotions do not exist in higher realms ... not love and not fear ... it just is and we just are ...

neutral ... indifferent ...

it is our 3d "thinking" ... that we believe love and fear must exist ... for if it does not ... then who are we ... what will give us pleasure and what will warn us of danger ... how can our lives then be fulfilling ...

in higher dimensions ... fulfillment is the zero point of more and of less ... of good and of evil ... of love and of fear ...

fulfillment is indifference ... it is neutral ...

and our minds will ask ... but that's not enough ... i fear it cannot be enough to sustain me ... to fulfill me ... not in the ways i know of in this illusion ...

precisely ... fulfillment in higher realms is not fulfillment in this illusion ...

fulfillment in higher realms does not allow for logic in 3d and vice versa ... from within this illusion we cannot compute that this may be ... that emotions of love and fear are not beneficial in higher dimensions ...

experiencing life in higher dimensions ... looking into the illusion ... it cannot be felt why emotions exist ...

it makes no logic whatsoever from the perspective from higher realms that we allow such created states to prolong our experiences such as pain and suffering ... that we allow our selves to cycle in these states ... over and over ...

it just doesn't make sense ... very often it is so perplexing to me ... that when i am back in illusion ... i find myself so saddened momentarily ... how we have given our power of creativeness to emotions ... to be held by its grasp ... to have forgotten how to allow emotion ... as an enhancement to this experience ... to flow freely ...

there is fulfillment in just being ... no emotions ... no drama ... no excess and no absence ...

there is fulfillment in neutral ... there is unconditional love ... but this love is not as we know it to be in this illusion ...

this love is not love really ... not as we know it ... it is unconditional fulfillment ... it is infinite ... it allows us to create whatever we feel to create in the moment ... and release it as such as well ...

i have never experienced anything more profound as fulfillment in just being ... can't really explain it ... wish i could ... wish i could bottle it ... one bottle for every individual on this planet ... to just experience one taste of what is real ...

no drama ... no emotions ...

only fulfillment ... of being ...

[THE eXchanger]

http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/n...ote=1&p=111111

-- is on this thread

[BROOK]

I believe emotion is one of the things we came here to experience. Be it good or bad...the experience of emotion is essential to learning and creating.

[Czymra]

Okay, so we have a bunch of people here now that say "Hey it makes us what we are." and another group that says "Forget those puny feelings, they are of the lowly 3D world.'
Interesting.
Furthermore, I solemnly request this "Send Love" stuff to be renamed into 'be oneness', how else are people like me to figure what you actually mean? Okay fear is an illusion, I understand that, but if you call the oneness love, no wonder someone will mistake it for emotion inside the typical paradigm. Who thought this up?
I suppose that oneness is the same as emptiness then?

Furthermore, if I manage to tune into the singularity realm, what am I looking for? Everybody that returns from meditations or vision goes on about 'how they felt' and 'what they saw'.
How can you see or feel something 'up there' in 3D concepts that should be long since overcome by then? I don't get it.
What drives our essence to do what it does? What is the purpose? Until now I came to believe that I have desires that are of a higher standard than those that simply give me short-time satisfaction. I'm sure now those desires are easily categorised as 'lowly emotions' as well.
If so, do you oneness people just sit and be. Is that the core of Buddahood?

[Anchor]

Carmen already pointed out that Love (as in Love and Light) is not an emotion, so this post could be redundant, but I wanted to add some thoughts anyway.

When you think of love, don't think of romantic love which is definitely (at least to begin with) rooted within emotion - not that there is anything wrong with this form of love! Also, this Love is not the same as think of the love that a parent has for a child and vice-versa, which is more about unconditional acceptance, harmony and appreciation. In both these scenarios the Love (as in Love and Light) does however play its part owing to the dynamics of the relationships and exchange of energy and nurturing. A parent will send Love and Light to a child and a lover will do the same with their partner.

To find and grasp the concept of "Love" as meant in phrases like "Sending love and light", or "I greet you in the love and in the light of the one infinite creator", Think of the intent that impels creation, that unconditional force that creates and nurtures within the one.

Light to me, often appears as love made manifest at its highest order. Love and light go together as they are the "becoming" of the infinite intelligent energy of creation. So love accompanies creative intent, Light is the thing or mode of energy that becomes manifest according to intent. Infinite intelligent energy is the multi-dimensional substance that realizes/responds to the actions of love and light. This Love and Light are the two things which both convey intent and the means to create/manifest that intent out of the infinite energy of the one.

Therefore, Light is a thing more than love is, love is more of an intent, but they are both timeless and therefore hard to accurately express in 3D terms.

I hope this makes sense, it is barely making sense to me. I think I might have overstretched myself in trying to explain my idea, but lets see if this makes sense to anyone.

Here is a quote from the law of one series that seems massively relevant to me:

(27.14) Questioner: I will make a statement that I have extracted from the physics of Dewey Larson which may or may not be close to what we are trying to explain. Larson says that all is motion which we can take as vibration, and that vibration is pure vibration and is not physical in any way or in any form or density, and the first product of that vibration is what we call the photon or particle of light. I am trying to make an analogy between this physical solution and the concept of love and light. Is this close to the concept of Love creating light?

Ra: I am Ra. You are correct

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[some of this post has been written intuitively - usual warning and disclaimer applies - it could all be wrong!]

[Czymra]

See it's interesting to read this as I was well aware of the fact that the love that we talk about is unconditional, but NOT that it is outside of the spectrum of 'normal feelings' as a consequence of that. After all, I can also imagine unconditional hate.
The question is then only how unconditional anything can be attached to anybody/thing, as it would imply a condition.

On the risk of being facetious and ignorant, I do still think that 'love' is a wrongly applied word here. Even 'acceptance' would be closer, based on my current understanding.

But okay, this is probably an ever evolving concept that shouldn't even be defined by a word.

Excuse my being so blatant, but I'm trying to get this to the core here without having too much of a wish-wash argumentation.

[Carmen]

Its difficult to explain the taste of honey, one just has to experience it. No amount of intellect with explain the direct experience

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Carmen

Its difficult to explain the taste of honey, one just has to experience it. No amount of intellect with explain the direct experience

What a frustrating answer that is.

[Rareheart]

Hiya Czymra,
I think I understand your frustration.
You seem very analytical...like myself. "Understanding" has no grey areas...it's quite black and white.
The trouble here has already been stated by you:

But okay, this is probably an ever evolving concept that shouldn't even be defined by a word.

Words only begin our trouble here.
True understanding is only confused by words, because it only exists inside of you. When we 'try' to convey meaning to others, we are forced to use words...tools...tools that are deeply flawed. Feeble in fact...when attempts are made to use them to convey "true" meaning...imho.

That's probably even harder to understand, and I can only apologize.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Rareheart

Hiya Czymra,
I think I understand your frustration.
You seem very analytical...like myself. "Understanding" has no grey areas...it's quite black and white.
The trouble here has already been stated by you:

Words only begin our trouble here.
True understanding is only confused by words, because it only exists inside of you. When we 'try' to convey meaning to others, we are forced to use words...tools...tools that are deeply flawed. Feeble in fact...when attempts are made to use them to convey "true" meaning...imho.

That's probably even harder to understand, and I can only apologize.

I knew all my life that words are so shallow, and I hate to think that I am 'analytical'.... but as you say, this is how we communicate... so far. At least it's good to know that I might have been on the wrong road.
Thanks everybody.

It still doesn't explain why meditators describe 3D things, why we dream 3D things... is that the only way we can make sense of it?

[Rareheart]

there is no wrong road....each path leads you to now.

[Carmen]

i know, I know Czymra, I ran out of words. If you storm the heavens for long enough you'll get all of the answers to your questions. Heavens, at 23, I couldn't even form the questions!! Its just that some things have to be experienced, and its very difficult to find words to describe some experiences. There is a sense of 'mystery' surrounding spiritual learning. One has to sort of qualify first, to access the learning. I will write more on this at another time.

[futureyes]

Originally Posted by Czymra

I knew all my life that words are so shallow, and I hate to think that I am 'analytical'.... but as you say, this is how we communicate... so far. At least it's good to know that I might have been on the wrong road.
Thanks everybody.

It still doesn't explain why meditators describe 3D things, why we dream 3D things... is that the only way we can make sense of it?

i have asked this over and over cyzmra ... same answer always comes to me ... yes ... that we are initially taught via of what we know in 3d because it can effortlessly be incorporated to our truth ... beneficial in the process of triggering our re-membering ...

as we begin knowing and living our truth more ... this will mutate ... less of the 3d teachings as we'll have the ability then to grasp meanings without the veil of illusion ...

and then that too becomes less as we will come to live our truth in all ways ... living whole and living fulfilled ... anything 3d will just fade ...

[Carmen]

Thanks futureyes, I knew someone would have the words and explainations better than I do.

[Rareheart]

Each of us spent months/years acclimating to 3D existance...learning first how to use our eyes (if so granted) to percieve depth, then learning we have a voice (again, if granted). Our initiation into 3D took a long time...we've all been 'programmed' by words since we first began to hear...overcoming this programing takes time too.
Our "higher learning" now consists of asking the questions we ask here.

[futureyes]

Originally Posted by Carmen

Thanks futureyes, I knew someone would have the words and explainations better than I do.

thanks carmen ... i may beg to differ though ...

at times i believe i win the prize for the most confusing explanations ... cross my fingers and hope my meaning will somehow get unravelled ...

your words are always of clarity ... your truth always resonates within me ...

[judykott]

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[Czymra]

Originally Posted by futureyes

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i have asked this over and over cyzmra ... same answer always comes to me ... yes ... that we are initially taught via of what we know in 3d because it can effortlessly be incorporated to our truth ... beneficial in the process of triggering our re-membering ...

as we begin knowing and living our truth more ... this will mutate ... less of the 3d teachings as we'll have the ability then to grasp meanings without the veil of illusion ...

and then that too becomes less as we will come to live our truth in all ways ... living whole and living fulfilled ... anything 3d will just fade ...

That kind of makes sense. Curiously since I try to pay more attention to my dreams they gain more specificity and people actually exist and speak.
This sucks. o_o I preferred the 'knowing and feeling' from before.

Aaaanyway, let me not bother you any longer. Thanks for all the answers and let it be mentioned that I will have to make it clear in the future that these are answer I am looking for. I've been warned about playing too much mediator and I think it's true. One can't assume that others go through the same pitfalls and thus accuse the 'wrong teachings'.

Aum Nama Sivaya

[futureyes]

Originally Posted by Rareheart

Hiya Czymra,
I think I understand your frustration.
You seem very analytical...like myself. "Understanding" has no grey areas...it's quite black and white.
The trouble here has already been stated by you:

Words only begin our trouble here.
True understanding is only confused by words, because it only exists inside of you. When we 'try' to convey meaning to others, we are forced to use words...tools...tools that are deeply flawed. Feeble in fact...when attempts are made to use them to convey "true" meaning...imho.That's probably even harder to understand, and I can only apologize.

rareheart ... your words uplifted my heart beat ...

true understanding IS only confused by words ...

true resonance is felt of the heart ... it just IS ...

"trying" understanding is of the mind ... of words that cannot contain the similar meaning resonated as truth of the heart ... like apples and oranges ...

i believe i've confused even more ...

i get excited with the simplest things ... usually having to do with truth ...

[rhythm]

Wow YOU LOT ...

what can i add to eny of that ....


the e motiom im feeling


is brilliant brilliant ...


im feeling a mass of love and respect ,

for yur!alll!!! Great thread Cymra ...thanks !!

[RedeZra]

Oneness is the One Being Aware in Bliss

Like the clear blue sky a witness to the clouds passing by
It will pass
Cling to it if you want or let it go
It will not last

Emotions whirl up like leaves on the wind
Hunting butterflies
Will you follow wherever they blow
Motion to Me and see where they lay to rest

All is a ripple on the Blue
I Am Aware of you