Symbolism/Language/Focus

[Czymra]

Ah, this sounds like we're getting somewhere. Are you in the opinion of the base layer to be something like a general truth? That's where I just can't find peace. Is there something like a natural original state? Is the base layer the real thing or is is just the Urgedanke?

Conspiracy theorists would say that the layers are there to obscure the true meaning and syphon the energy through the symbol like that (however that works outside social dynamics) while the 'all is fine' folk would say that each layer adds to the meaning of the symbol and is equally important as the symbol expands into infinity, or some such.

Neither really rings true and I wonder if there is a paradoxical balance to be found here.

[EarthBowl]

Originally Posted by Czymra

Are you in the opinion of the base layer to be something like a general truth? That's where I just can't find peace.

I took a basic philosophy class once. It was Plato, I think, who believed in universal truth, universal beauty etc. Something all other truth, beauty etc. was based on - independent of us or our judgements.

I could go both ways here. First Source could be the source of the universals, but if I thought that was true- wouldnt I again be trying to put the Source of All, in my little box.

...a Wingmaker quote I have on my wall;

"The fundamental frequency of expression that issues from First Source- is appreciation of life in all its forms with a love that is absent of condition or judgment."

LOTS is happening now... frequencies, energy; my understandiings are changing every day. I don't know whats true or even who I am.
But I LOVE IT!

[Dakini]

One thing that just came to mind...and those with a physical science mind would explain it better than me...

Close to the basic 'building' blocks of physical life are geometric patterns. Our DNA is apparently crystalline, so from there, physical structures are built. Less tangible are the waves, the alchemists views of the prima materia, the formless base of matter. Particles, waves...wouldn't it seem that symbols then emerged and have evolved ever since?

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Dakini

One thing that just came to mind...and those with a physical science mind would explain it better than me...

Close to the basic 'building' blocks of physical life are geometric patterns. Our DNA is apparently crystalline, so from there, physical structures are built. Less tangible are the waves, the alchemists views of the prima materia, the formless base of matter. Particles, waves...wouldn't it seem that symbols then emerged and have evolved ever since?

Good point, I never heard that DNA is crystalline but that the evolution of shapes that are basic to life is a great argument, one that is more convincing than the repeating of 'images are universal'. Thanks.

I'll look differently on the symbols around me and hope that the biological models I have been taught are correct.

[Dakini]

Another idea that just came in...
images can come from nature...so think about the shapes that have been on earth, as well as other planets and star systems...

I think all this is very interesting. Thanks for stimulating us all, Czymra.

[Czymra]

Originally Posted by Dakini

Another idea that just came in...
images can come from nature...so think about the shapes that have been on earth, as well as other planets and star systems...

I think all this is very interesting. Thanks for stimulating us all, Czymra.

Yes, that reminds me of that film about the electronic sun, in which they connected all the ancient symbols and identified them as cosmic constellations, the centre of the galaxy or electric filaments.

Quite interesting to uncover some of these origins. I wonder how many modern symbols one could map like that. I imagine quite many. Maybe I'll have a go.