Zacharia sitchin is not legitimate

[nibiru]

Greetings :
Before anything, I honor the freedom of thought that every human being posseses. I will share with you all some data:
1) Sitchin is a scholar...Nevertheless that the whole system attacks him AND his theories,he belongs to the few that knows dead languages such as old summerian.
2) the u.s. Government has indeed sewed sitchin...they want to confiscate all his knowledge and thus preventing his words to be propagated. Does that fact tell you anything?
3) I have done my homework and investigated the data for years(15). What is of my knowledge is that he is 90% correct. He misses the fact that the lulu were created not only to serve as a working slave, but that this is part of a galactic plan to provide flesh in which divine sparks can incarnate in this planetary school of total free will.
4) Nibiru is a brown dwarf,hollowed and used as a galactic federation starship to seed worlds. Its orbit is not necessarily of a 3,600 years cycle.
5)sitchin, according to a top general in the mexican intelligence path, assured to me that the data provided was acurate,according to israeli,french canadian and chinese intelligence services surveys of the data.
6)the new southpole telescope observatory was built indeed,to track nibiru´s passage through our solar system....
And there is more....

[Shellie]

Beanny, that wasn't directed specifically to you.

I am just saying that his scholarship is incredibly sloppy, and that it was a turn-off. Of all the Sumerian scholars (and there is plenty of them at universities like Chicago and all over the Middle East), why is he the only one to translate all of the material he uses? I used to study classical Arabic and found a lot of his explanation of Semitic roots dubious, if not completely contradictory to what I was getting from my peers in the Hebrew department. Now, interpretations of things (like what anthropologists study) can swing in any direction and I understand his questioning of the conventional understanding of Sumerian culture and archaeology- there is plenty of "conspiracy" material in that alone- but languages just aren't as fuzzy as that. This is almost like the one man in China who claims to have "translated" the Dropa stones... C'mon! Based on what?

The only think that DOES give Sitchin any credibility is that the government is so interested in him, and that there are some things in astronomy that are explained if you use the "Planet X" model. But that doesn't make the model itself correct. What if he is completely wrong about Planet X, but the government wants him to do research because they are interested in something else? Maybe he is being used to interpret other things, and by picking him instead of another scholar it keeps the "fringe conspiracy nut-jobs" busy running in circles are Nibiru and not looking at what they really are studying.

Another thing bothers me, and that is his logic. Too much is based on "ifs"... If this is true then that is true... and if it is true then this... than this... All you have to do is prove one "if" wrong early on, and the entire structure collapses.

[Doom]

I have to agree with shellie. I have not personally studied the language myself for the same reason that there are so many flaws in his logic based on what I have read of his resaerch compared to what I have read from other scholars. though I would still like to learn it for myself eventually when the time grants itself. There's just too many ifs though based on what I have researched, too much possibility think that ignores reality. Many other legit genuine scholars who researched the same sumarian language and tablets all come to the same real tranlsations which don't match Sitchin's at all (Alan Watt has done this himself as well). Sitchin already had his conclusion before researching the information, and tried to spin everything to fit his pre-decided conclusion. There are obvious translations that all other researchers reach, while sitchin literally pulls meanings out of hats to make up his own that works for him and fit. Sitchin's translations not only have been basically completely disproven, but his entire education and scholary career is subject to suspicion as well - Please check out the links I have given through this thread.

When people donot understand something, they will critize and discredit you!. Case and example with ZSitchin. With all information, you have to research and check it for yourself. I believe in what Sitchin is saying. Now i have a question for you!. Is there any other researchers prior to Sitchin with the same research, insight and info?

[Brinty]

Originally Posted by Nebula

When people donot understand something, they will critize and discredit you!. Case and example with ZSitchin. With all information, you have to research and check it for yourself. I believe in what Sitchin is saying. Now i have a question for you!. Is there any other researchers prior to Sitchin with the same research, insight and info?

On a somewhat different, but still earth shattering topic, may I put forward the name of the man who's books opened my eyes in the 1950s to a whole new way of looking at myths and legends. I speak of two of Imanuel Velikovski's books, "Worlds in Collision" and "Earth in Upheaval". The amount of research this guy did was mind blowing.

The first book is based on mythological tales and when it was published, he was of course ridiculed by the scientific community. This community forced his publishers to cease publication of Velikovski's book by threatening to take their (the scientist's) books and pamphlets, to another publisher.

As his first book had been criticised by science because it was based on "fairy tales", he chose to write his second book, "Earth in Upheaval", using irrefutable geological evidence of disasters having swept the earth. He brings in the concept of pole shift that also explains some of the "impossible" events reported in the Bible.

All in all, I think these two books of Velikovski's would be a worthwhile addition to any "truth seeker's" library.

[capreycorn]

sitchin`s ideas are great. but the books don`t "resonate" for me just as the "new testament" won`t.
to me this always means, that it is not what the author wanted to publish - it couldn`t be published without "changes".
.censorship is everywhere.

[Doom]

I'll second Worlds in Collision by Immanuel Velikovsky.

But Sitchin is still a phony and his information is still false, and as fictional as it gets.

Lots of us have researched it for ourself, and we don't all come to the same conclusions. We must respect other's opinions, not poo-poo them because we don't agree.

I understand and respect the position that Sitchin's data is true, I once studied it and believed it. But I also learnt to understand that part of the solution to the mess we are in, is to seperate fact from fiction. Seperate Information from Dis-information. When one seeks the truth, they subejct themselves to all forms of psyhcological warefare and counter-intelligece that are set up to project the real truth, and very few make it through mentally intact. And through my continued research I have identified Sitchin as a psyops.

Originally Posted by Nebula

When people donot understand something, they will critize and discredit you!. Case and example with ZSitchin. With all information, you have to research and check it for yourself. I believe in what Sitchin is saying. Now i have a question for you!.

Well that is fine... but may I suggest that you ACTUALLY research what Sitcins DOES SAY?


I shall Quote Sitchin....


Nibiru settled into a clockwise orbit (equal to 3,600 orbits of Earth
around the Sun). Nibiru stabilized into a clockwise orbit, equal to
3,600 orbits of Earth around the Sun until 10, 900 B.C.E., when
Nibiru arrived earlier, due to increasing drift from Solaris of
Uranus. Uranus' gravity sped Nibiru's orbit. As a result of this
close encounter between Nibiru and Uranus, one of Nibiru's moons,
Miranda, was captured by and became a moon of Uranus as Nibiru and
Uranus pulled at each other. From 10,000B.C.E. on, Nibiru's
revolution sped to 3.450 Earth years; which makes Nibiru's next
return 2900A.D. rather than 2012 as predicated on the earlier 3600-
year orbit

Sitchin, Z., 2007, The End of Days, pages 315 - 317


Now if Bob Dean believes Sitchin and qoutes Sitchin... why does he say 2017ish when Sitchin says 2900 AD?

As you say RESEARCH... something I do well....

Is there any other researchers prior to Sitchin with the same research, insight and info?

On Nibiru? No...

On Sumerian? Yes...

Mike Hieser says Nibiru means crossing point or gateway...

Perhaps indeed the Sumerians had access to a Stargate...

Now Sitchin based Nibiru on one cylinder seal..

Well I have several that show they had a stargate...

And there is no misinterpretation that it represents a gate...

Ea stands in his watery home the Apsu


Enki walks out of the watery gateway to the land.


Their is a good possibility that the Abyss in Revelations is indeed this same gateway...

Abydos
also known as Abtu or Abdju
Abzu
Sumerian name for the Abyss...
Abyss
Biblical watery gateway...

Abyss = Abzu = Abtu = Abdju = Abydos

From an excavation in Abydos


So there are other possible interpretations

But Sitchin sells books and has now a cult following...

Believe as you wish... but personally I 'favor' the Stargate concept...


And so does Giovanni di Paolo, a painter from 1445,
"Creation of the World & Expulsion from Paradise"

[Doom]

REgarding that painting from the 1500's, Even back then they were into puting out media to control the minds of the public, plays that were mandatory to attent, and lots and lots of art from painting to sculptures, they of course loved to scare the public with lots of gargoles. They have been creating myths of things that come from the skies for many ages. Though I can't say for sure about that particular painting, it's meanings etc., but I would have to suggest that does not have to do with a stargate.

If we read the Sumerian tablets, it’s no different from ancient India or Ra of Egypt where the God inseminates himself and all the rest of it, etc.. He has sex with the spirit of the air. It’s all to do with spirits, you understand, not people. There are no references to "stargates" in my opinion.

the engraving of the 'helicopter' and other 'craft' is acutally a picture that is a composite of two quite ordinary hieroglyphic texts laid over each other. The appearance of the helicopter on the artefact was actually an artefact itself, and was formed from two separate hieroglyphs.

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by doom

dis-info won't wake anyone up, sorry I cannot agree that it can wake someone up.
Well...the only way it can wake someone up, is if it makes someone aware there's something going on, and then they look into it for themselves.

From this I believe we think alike and we just mis-communicated because this is all I meant.


I am about to do some heavy research on all this myself because I have pretty much discounted Nibiru as garbage and Dean's testimony is urging me to look into it further.

didn't Burish discuss a stargate in Iraq? Same one maybe?

hmmm

My stance on all this? - undecided and seeking answers

just another paradigm to add to my collection

HAH!

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Heretic

From this I believe we think alike and we just mis-communicated because this is all I meant.

Agreed, my point is just that, more often than not, dis-info won't get the person to look more into whats behind everything, but will just get them looking deeper into the dis-info. But yes, it does happen that some people start with dis-info, but then with the relization that such deception is out there, will question the dis-info, and eventually actually wake up.

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by Doom

Agreed, my point is just that, more often than not, dis-info won't get the person to look more into whats behind everything, but will just get them looking deeper into the dis-info. But yes, it does happen that some people start with dis-info, but then with the relization that such deception is out there, will question the dis-info, and eventually actually wake up.

agreed

it greatly depends on the person and their thirst for knowledge, and how easily satisfied they are, I am never satisfied and perhaps I just couldn't see beyond that


peace

[Connecting with Sauce]

Is it possible that with time travelling UFO's some of these stone carving's could actually be sent back in time to be disinfo?

Just throwing in a curve ball there to this discussion.

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by Connecting with Sauce

Is it possible that with time travelling UFO's some of these stone carving's could actually be sent back in time to be disinfo?

Just throwing in a curve ball there to this discussion.

I have heard it said that a group did just that.

set our past up to support their benevolent presence so we would see them in the light they wish

I have heard alot of things though, and many of them conflict

interesting times eh?

[Doom]

Originally Posted by Connecting with Sauce

Is it possible that with time travelling UFO's some of these stone carving's could actually be sent back in time to be disinfo?

Just throwing in a curve ball there to this discussion.

I'm going to have to say no, because there are no time travelling UFOs.

If you look back to some of the links I gave, it explains in one particular instance how erich von daniken(author of Chariots of the Gods) paid some mexican children to do some of the "ancient astronaut" stone carvings etc. that he used as evidence.

[Heretic]

Originally Posted by Doom

I'm going to have to say no, because there are no time travelling UFOs.

have to differ with you there, and I am hoping you can change my mind. if you even believe in "infinity" then you have declared that all things exist, this means 2000 years ago, as well as 2000 years from now exists, right now. Instead of being there, you are here instead.

There is no time, just as when you look outside the window of a car, things seem to move, but it is only you and your perception that move. We are merely moving along an infinite tapestry and our choice determine where on this tapestry we decide to go next. The only "time" that exists is now.

Even though it is hidden from your view, it is also 2000 years ago right now. Just as it is 2000 in the future, right now. Your now just happens to be here instead of there, because you lack the technology to make it otherwise (accept for memory).

check out Wilcock's work on the relationship between space/time and time/space. Not to hard to wrap your mind around the basics. Time...is spatially related.

Originally Posted by Visvasa144

FOR THE RECORD. Nibiru is a real. The ANNUNAKI do exist.

Judging by your "conviction" I assume you have more evidence than has been presented so far. I want to believe too, please help me with some more data found elsewhere beyond Sitchen and Dean if you have it. I really want to know!

Thanks

[Antonia]

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Perhaps indeed the Sumerians had access to a Stargate...

Now Sitchin based Nibiru on one cylinder seal..

Well I have several that show they had a stargate...

And there is no misinterpretation that it represents a gate...

I found this post not so long ago on www.ashtarcommand.net search Secrets of Amenti it is very ineresting and talks of a very sepecial stargate that has been much fought over and is about to be opened again....


Blog post link:
“Secrets of Amenti” evolution with the ET s , i would recomend to print it out! it long!

[ChristinCP]

Originally Posted by nibiru

Greetings :
Before anything, I honor the freedom of thought that every human being posseses. I will share with you all some data:
1) Sitchin is a scholar...Nevertheless that the whole system attacks him AND his theories,he belongs to the few that knows dead languages such as old summerian.
2) the u.s. Government has indeed sewed sitchin...they want to confiscate all his knowledge and thus preventing his words to be propagated. Does that fact tell you anything?
3) I have done my homework and investigated the data for years(15). What is of my knowledge is that he is 90% correct. He misses the fact that the lulu were created not only to serve as a working slave, but that this is part of a galactic plan to provide flesh in which divine sparks can incarnate in this planetary school of total free will.
4) Nibiru is a brown dwarf,hollowed and used as a galactic federation starship to seed worlds. Its orbit is not necessarily of a 3,600 years cycle.
5)sitchin, according to a top general in the mexican intelligence path, assured to me that the data provided was acurate,according to israeli,french canadian and chinese intelligence services surveys of the data.
6)the new southpole telescope observatory was built indeed,to track nibiru´s passage through our solar system....
And there is more....

I want to hear more!

[QUOTE=beanny;60553]elka....y dont you each spend 30 years studying the hebrew language and text as did sitchin, of whom it was already his native tongue...b4 you are eligilble to critisize his interpretation?
what was the hebrew background of this other guys that discredit sitchin,?
could you have read 2 words from hebrew text and write an entire page on its meaning?...well in hebrew you can...
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very true,but even when hebrew is your first language, it does not make you an expert on its meaning.

while Nassim has touched something what both miss is knowledge of the first language ,if the first language is known then the structure upon which the letters are placed and spell out the text would be known , and it reveals the laws both of the uni-verse and of man.

one more thing that blocks them to find it, is that they all seek conditionally,they are not open enough, the ecept and reject according their own theories. what they should do is to look at other reseach and see what connects instead of seeing what does not.

[mr.komie]

when watchin david ickes Revelations Of A Mother Goddess, sitchins name came up a few times as an illuminati member quite high up. this was before i had heard of him thru the nibiru thing. i wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire....

he could be telling the truth or telling lies.... whose to know. i personally think nibiru is real and they are probably the blue coloured beings as depicted in indian tales as 'biru' means 'blue' in some s.e.asian languages. just try to find other sources of info rather than that iffy molester of kids!

peace KE

[elirien]

Originally Posted by mr.komie

when watchin david ickes Revelations Of A Mother Goddess, sitchins name came up a few times as an illuminati member quite high up. this was before i had heard of him thru the nibiru thing. i wouldn't pee on him if he was on fire....

he could be telling the truth or telling lies.... whose to know. i personally think nibiru is real and they are probably the blue coloured beings as depicted in indian tales as 'biru' means 'blue' in some s.e.asian languages. just try to find other sources of info rather than that iffy molester of kids!

peace KE

This will sound like throwing **** at something but be careful when it comes to Arizona Wilder.

Have a look at this:
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=54

[Visvasa144]

Please see this video part1 and 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1wsLOJ7Tvw

please realize that most or all the information that your using to rebuke his claims or facts are based on others information that most likely is a disinformation smear campaign to steer everyone away from the truth of who we and how we came to be as human beings. i've heard tons of things said about sitchin being illuminati and meeting with the vatican. im not saying 100% everything is true but FOR THE RECORD. Nibiru is a real. The ANNUNAKI do exist.
They created what is now called the cadueces or entwined serpents ans much much more.

you dont have to like sitchin. it doesnt matter. dont sell yourselves short in not believing that the ANNUNAKI exist. who do you think are our archangels? everyone of them are ANNUNAKI. is that a shocker too? what about JESUS? everyone wants proof. mostly everyone is searching outside themselves for the answers when all along all the answers have been inside all of us. its in our consciousness. its all up to yourselves to find it. but looking on a computer and doing "years" of "research" makes you question sitchin? question your own techniques and tools. the truth will always be.

Bob Dean said that he was informed that Nibiru's atmosphere is orange/yellow. thats true.


seeds of devotion and enlightenment,
elias.