Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects

Seashore · 11-22-2009, 10:26 AM

This thread is an off-shoot of the thread "Camelot Clay and Shawn Pickering Audio Interview."

Regarding the topic of removing implants, maybe Dr. Roger Leir could be of assistance. Here is a quote from his website:

"He and his surgical team have performed fifteen surgeries on alleged alien abductees. This resulted in the removal of sixteen separate and distinct objects suspected of being alien implants."

Here is the link:

http://www.alienscalpel.com/aboutus.html

Seashore · 11-29-2009, 03:29 PM

Project Camelot has announced an MKULTRA conference:

_______________________________________________

State of the Planet
The Project Camelot Blog
________________

28 November 2009 - update

• We are proud to announce the MKUltra Mind Control Conference in Boston, MA coming this February... Register now for this fascinating event.

Confirmed speakers:

Duncan O'Finioan, Rebecca Jernigan, Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot and Stewart Swerdlow.

_______________________________________________

I believe more information about this will follow...

eleni · 12-02-2009, 02:48 AM

Yes, thanks for this.

Has anyone listened to the new interview with K&B and James Martinez?

I think it's excellent.

Luminari · 12-02-2009, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni

Yes, thanks for this.

Has anyone listened to the new interview with K&B and James Martinez?

I think it's excellent.

Thanks for the heads up, listening now.

AscendingStarseed · 12-02-2009, 09:22 AM

Fascinating material! Still amazes me at how controlled society is, the depths of the infiltration and how long it's been going on. The evil and corruption so pervasive in our society that most people are oblivious too is simply mind boggling sometimes

Seashore · 12-02-2009, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni

Has anyone listened to the new interview with K&B and James Martinez?

I think it's excellent.

I love what is said in the Project Camelot blurb about the interview. The human spirit.

______________________________________________

What's New on our site
____________________

1 December 2009

• Click here for the new audio interview (see 30 November opposite) with James Martinez, colleague and close confidant of Walter Bowart, the author of the seminal and definitive 1978 book Operation Mind Control who died two years ago. We recommend this interview very highly - inspiring, enlightening, and above all about the human spirit.

Seashore · 12-02-2009, 12:13 PM

I'm about a third of the way through the interview.

I put it on pause because I was struck by something that was just said. The discussion at this point is about the rich/Illuminati and the practice of Satanism as it relates to our culture today as brought about by TV and computer games - our digital environment "feeding the beast."

The point was just made that the Illuminati are disconnected from normal human emotions because of what they have experienced themselves.

This makes me think of what I've heard Stewart Swerdlow say: the Illuminati are 100% mind controlled. I have assumed that this means by each other. But I'm not sure about that; I don't know by whom or what they are mind controlled.

Halvor · 12-02-2009, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seashore

I'm about a third of the way through the interview.

This makes me think of what I've heard Stewart Swerdlow say: the Illuminati are 100% mind controlled. I have assumed that this means by each other. But I'm not sure about that; I don't know by whom or what they are mind controlled.

I think that is the core of the(ir) problem. They are controlling each other, and they are superbly unqualified for the task. The esoteric elites have above them spiritual entities or egregores which they themselves have created, and they use ritual invocations and evocations to "control" and command these entities to perform powerful feats on the material realm as well as spiritual down through etheric. Now these esoteric elites (and I mean their highest most secluded and protected echelons) are intermingled or entangled with other esoteric elites with whom their subordinate echelons have conflicting or at least competitive relationships.

If you would listen to the first of Troy Space's series of interviews with Leo Zagami you get an impression of the dilemma, but you have to keep in mind that all of these edifices which are delineated are populated by people who are dualists in their core being, even such sublime and "most worshipful" cadre of the Martinists' Elected of Cohen ('Elohi cohen').

For the record, the above is my analysis, so I cannot point you to any more authoritative sources on it.

Jacqui D · 12-02-2009, 04:26 PM

Just listened to whole interview it has revealed mostly what we know but it is interesting to get this prospective in a way that tells you this is the absolute truth!
As so many have stated here on this forum many are under control and have been since children i fell for those who have lost their lives in such terrible circumstances and those who are still under this sleeping, comatosed state of existence.
What is so unbelievable is how the manipulation is done through money/ tv/gaming school systems/health all the things we have been brought up to believe is okay technology is okay and should be but it has been used in this negativity to hold each and everyone of us in this amnesic state of affairs.
Walter being in there so to speak opens up many questions for me watching this and deciding to make this public and the fact that his family have felt the powers who have had a hand in all of this just makes me so upset.
Everyday people are put under such mind control it is heart wrenching, here on avalon we have such people stating such atrocities, james casbolt comes to mind also.
What needs to be done by listening to this lengthy interview is to re connect we must all connect back to each other the power is within us not these few which run the whole show but i am frightened if the populace does not wake up soon we could be over run with things far worse than just our spirituality taken from us the technology that these PTB have alongside these negative ET's who have been instigators in this may just pull off what they intend to do and that is a complete slave race they are already nearly there it is up to us now to take back what is ours and put this into motion. Do you want to become part of the drone race i don't think so the answer here is how to make others see sense, wow! we have known this for at least a year when avalon and camelot opened it's door to these whistle blowers it is past my perception of what can be done apart from the highly evolved ones spiritually aiding and benevolent ET's assisting i only hope this is the answer i really do because there are so many more out there still sleeping.

Halvor · 12-02-2009, 04:29 PM

It doesn't seem Martinez' website was presented on the Project Camelot page featuring the interview. I found the website Cash Flow! with James Martinez, and I also found the link to the TV show he says he is currently involved with, http://imaginethistv.com/.

Seashore · 12-02-2009, 04:53 PM

What a post!! Thank you.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halvor

If you would listen to the first of Troy Space's series of interviews with Leo Zagami

Thank you for this.

Additionally, there is Project Camelot's interviews of Leo:

http://www.projectcamelot.org/leo_zagami.html

For people like me who have trouble understanding Leo's accent, here are links from Project Camelot's page to letters Leo has written to others about his situation:

http://www.projectcamelot.org/zagami_szymanski.html

http://www.projectcamelot.org/zagami_makow.html

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halvor

keep in mind that all of these edifices which are delineated are populated by people who are dualists in their core being, even such sublime and "most worshipful" cadre of the Martinists' Elected of Cohen ('Elohi cohen').

What is the Martinists' Elected of Cohen or Elohi cohen?

Seashore · 12-02-2009, 05:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jacqui D

What needs to be done by listening to this lengthy interview is to re connect we must all connect back to each other the power is within us not these few which run the whole show

When I read this I was reminded of something I heard Freeman say during an interview, "People need to spend more time with each other doing things like having dinner together."

Halvor · 12-02-2009, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seashore

What is the Martinists' Elected of Cohen or Elohi cohen?

They are used as an example by Leo Zagami of an elite spiritual hierarchy within the Illuminati which is generally revered for their purity and advanced spirituality. Take a look at the Zagami link I gave you as it's a transcirpt so you can do a word search and see the context there. Search for the term "Elect of Cohen".

Seashore · 12-02-2009, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halvor

It doesn't seem Martinez' website was presented on the Project Camelot page featuring the interview. I found the website Cash Flow! with James Martinez, and I also found the link to the TV show he says he is currently involved with, http://imaginethistv.com/.

Thank you for this.

I have bookmarked these...

eleni · 12-02-2009, 05:20 PM

Remote influencing- not touched on too much in the interview but......
it is real, it's simply unbelievable at times when as someone like myself who was raised in it can look back and see how events were orchestrated under the influence of remote influencing.

After my father died , I had the same dream every night. I knew he was trying to contact me via the dream state and it took me until this year to figure out the meaning of the dream. In the dream he was always sitting in a chair shackled. At the time when I was having the dreams I thought he was just caught on the astral plane since most of these Illume initiates/ characters are so tied to 3d they can't let it go.

Instead what he was trying to convey was that he was shackled and had no say because he had given himself over to that world. Maybe it was his way of apologizing to me?

In an case, I found the reference Martinez made of ayahausca to be of interest. After my first aya session some 3 years ago I came to a greater understanding and forgiveness even though there are times when I discover more/regain more memory and I break down. Happened yesterday but I then remember the larger picture at hand - they have created something very negative for themselves and have used various good souls as victims.

On a higher level I do agree that we agreed to it. I do believe they will reap what they have sown and it may appear unjust at 3d level but theirs is coming.

The interview was 100% accurate- everything he stated was truth. There's not a lot of material out there about this subject that hasn't been prone to some disinfo- but I can say that from my experience, what he said was 100% accurate.

I'm glad he touched on the ET issue.

Here's some good news for the day......today I spoke to a family member- I was told that some *people* are bankrupt.

Of course that's a relative term for us regular people as these people still have loads of $$$, but some at the top have had to put plans on hold (whether it real estate development, shipping, arms dealers, etc) for the time being.

They do think they are above everyone and do operate in a different reality which I thought was due to the amount of $$$$/influence they have over society.

The higher up in the hierarchy one goes, the more disconnected they are even if they have less $$$$ than someone in the lower ranks.

Seashore · 12-02-2009, 05:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni

Here's some good news for the day......today I spoke to a family member- I was told that some *people* are bankrupt.

Halvor · 12-02-2009, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni

Remote influencing- not touched on too much in the interview but......
In an case, I found the reference Martinez made of ayahausca to be of interest. After my first aya session some 3 years ago I came to a greater understanding and forgiveness even though there are times when I discover more/regain more memory and I break down. Happened yesterday but I then remember the larger picture at hand - they have created something very negative for themselves and have used various good souls as victims.

Now I remember what I wanted to post here about in the first place. I wanted to interject a heads-up about ibogaine which is a very powerful hallucinogenic compound, just like ayahuasca. I'm not skeptical of ayahuasca per se, but from my perspective these substances must have a spiritual source, and although they seem very benign I think they are part of an agenda on a higher level than we are presently able to gain much insights on. Therefore promoting more than just this one also promotes diversification. And I do have the impression that ibogaine could also be a very beneficient instrument for the kinds of processes we are here discussing.

Ibogaine is the alkaloid extracted from the Central African shrub Tabernanthe iboga. It is used locally in initiatic ceremonies in the Bwiti religion. In the West it has been known since the late 60s as a one-stop cure for heroin addiction and more recently as a drug that effects very much the same as what ayahuasca is promoted for in the present context.

Seashore · 12-02-2009, 06:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halvor

They are used as an example by Leo Zagami of an elite spiritual hierarchy within the Illuminati which is generally revered for their purity and advanced spirituality. Take a look at the Zagami link I gave you as it's a transcirpt so you can do a word search and see the context there. Search for the term "Elect of Cohen".

It is? Cool!!

Thanks so much.

eleni · 12-02-2009, 06:43 PM

Halvor- from my understanding iboga (and it's derived form of ibogaine) is more useful in treating drug and alcohol addiction. Aya is different from what I have read. Iboga sounds scary to me- not sure I would ever use it unless I was an addict of some sort.
Have you read accounts of people attempting traditional iboga ceremony in Africa? Sounded scary/very sketchy to me.
Of course now there's a whole tourist industry set up in places like the Amazon for aya ceremony and one has to be very careful what *shaman* they choose. There are less than reputable one's now just looking to cash in.

As far as higher agendas go, well some group must have placed these plants on the planet to begin with. Some would say god, my thinking is otherwise.

The combo of plants used in aya drink have a consciousness of their own- quite amazing that shamanic plants are a stargate unto themselves, allowing one to access other dimensions, affect DNA etc;

Halvor · 12-02-2009, 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni

The combo of plants used in aya drink have a consciousness of their own- quite amazing that shamanic plants are a stargate unto themselves, allowing one to access other dimensions, affect DNA etc;

Indeed. I still see very little to elucidate this arena, which is why I feel some caution may be prudent. Not only for the 'bad trip' potential.

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni

Halvor- from my understanding iboga (and it's derived form of ibogaine) is more useful in treating drug and alcohol addiction. Aya is different from what I have read. Iboga sounds scary to me- not sure I would ever use it unless I was an addict of some sort.
Have you read accounts of people attempting traditional iboga ceremony in Africa? Sounded scary/very sketchy to me.

I think your impression is lacking. Iboga is much used for spiritual work quite independent of the use as a deeply psychological anti-addiction cure. I tried a batch in my home about 2001-2002 for that purpose, and although my trip was atypical (in that it wasn't really a "trip" at all), I do wonder to what extent it has still advanced my spiritual development in the years since. That development certainly has been big.

From the iboga trip reports I have read I get the impression that it has a very intelligent, caring and protecting effect on the subject. In descriptions of the hallucinogenic phase I have read that it can play back pivotal scenes and experiences from the subject's life such that the implicit context becomes explicit. I have also read experiences where lifetime after lifetime was lived to the fullest experience of the duration of time, which is the most mind-boggling to me personally. One testimony in particular also compared it to cleaning up a computer hard disk where the re-ordering of folders was based on a new, coherent and logical hierarchy structure and was done visually just like one would do in Windows Explorer. Another issue is that the trip is longer than with any other psychedelic I am aware of. I think the hallucinatory stage alone can last 18 hours or more.

In any case, a psychedelic experience is very often a life-changing event and should be approached and prepared correspondingly I think that someone beginning to get a yearning for such a catalytic event will appreciate this information and research it along with available information about other drugs and modalities which is out there.

eleni · 12-02-2009, 09:20 PM

I think your impression is lacking. Iboga is much used for spiritual work quite independent of the use as a deeply psychological anti-addiction cure. I tried a batch in my home about 2001-2002 for that purpose, and although my trip was atypical (in that it wasn't really a "trip" at all), I do wonder to what extent it has still advanced my spiritual development in the years since. That development certainly has been big.

From the iboga trip reports I have read I get the impression that it has a very intelligent, caring and protecting effect on the subject. In descriptions of the hallucinogenic phase I have read that it can play back pivotal scenes and experiences from the subject's life such that the implicit context becomes explicit. I have also read experiences where lifetime after lifetime was lived to the fullest experience of the duration of time, which is the most mind-boggling to me personally. One testimony in particular also compared it to cleaning up a computer hard disk where the re-ordering of folders was based on a new, coherent and logical hierarchy structure and was done visually just like one would do in Windows Explorer. Another issue is that the trip is longer than with any other psychedelic I am aware of. I think the hallucinatory stage alone can last 18 hours or more.

Yes, it is lacking- no direct experience- I've only read Pinckbeck's account, Hancock's and one book on Iboga. Sounds too scary for me but then again aya is scary for others. Aya seems gentler (although that can be very rough, especially for first timers) and does similar.

I was aware it can be even longer and there have been a few bad accounts (death) from what I remember reading.

Agree that shamanic plants should not be taken lightly.

You are very brave to have done that yourself. Many see their death in this lifetime- did you see that?

Edited to add- I see Jeremy Narby is coming out with a new book on Iboga and Aya- I really enjoyed reading Cosmic Serpent years before I had aya experiences.

"
Iboga Root Bark, Ibogaine, Tabernanthe iboga

The Bwiti cult and other secret cults from West Africa use Iboga to communicate to their dead ancestors. In many ways its effects and use are similar to the better known Ayahuasca from South America but the effects of the Iboga can be stronger and last much longer.

It is the yellowish root that contains the active alkaloids; the root bark is shaved and eaten directly or as a powder drank in an infusion. Cult Shamans use the Iboga Root Bark to seek information from the spiritual world and they may consume this for a full day before asking advice from the ancestors.

Much research has been done with using Ibogaine (The active alkaloid in Iboga) for drug addiction therapy. The results have been spectacular with about a 90% success rate when taken in one high dose by an opiate or even alcohol addict it drastically reduces the withdrawal symptoms and gives the patent an insight with clear visions into his or her own life, revealing the personal cause of the addiction. This in turn enables the patient to go for months without a relapse."

"
A direct experiential comparison of Iboga and Ayahuasca is impossible: they are both teachers of the highest order. Only the rituals can be compared. A Bwiti ceremony is a week long procedure, and that is when rushed for Europeans. Two days cleansing (internal/external), imbibing and then one to two days other side, then three to more days needed for rest and recuperation. The process is understood as being first day dying, second day death, third day onwards rebirth. This is a SERIOUS plant. With ayahuasca there are often people in Peru, and other places, who conduct less than sacred rituals - I know I experienced that once. You would never find that here, the people regard this as the ultimate sacrament, when discussing it, it is never 'Iboga' it is always 'l'iboga sacre' (sacred iboga) or 'l'boue sacre' (sacred drink) . The ritual is not conducted by a single shaman. The entire village takes part, each individual having a specific role to play, instrument to play, part to sing, and they know the ceremony intimately. Having an entire village dedicate two solid days or more to helping you clearly see through the fabric of this reality in the most profound manner by singing, chanting, dancing is an incomparable experience that even now moves me deeply. There is such love emanating from these people. And it isn't your normal African percussive trance inducing music ceremony - the chief instrument is the eight string harp of David, the drums are brought out for only a couple minutes in the whole ceremony, there are so many instruments played, all of them having spiritual significance. I think the drums are used as a last resort, used for those who have 'blockages' as they referred to them. For those who need a real atom-smasher. The music is of a light and angelic nature as opposed to a heavy trancelike beat. Trying to use words to describe the effect of the music is impossible. It was too beautiful for thoughts, let alone words. The fact that it is a combined effort by the whole village, and that you are the centre of focus, you are the 'Banzie', the neophyte, initiate, makes this a very powerful experience indeed. I won't go into detail on the actual experience - it is the method that the experience is served to you that is so impressive, profound and overwhelming."

Halvor · 12-02-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni

You are very brave to have done that yourself. Many see their death in this lifetime- did you see that?

No, from the immediate impression my experience was botched. I had no psychedelic experience and remained conscious. For five hours I was immobile, only able to roll over to vomit in a bucket, which I did about every ten mintes for that entire time period. I had asked a friend to sit with me, but he had taken some recreational drugs and soon fell asleep. No help there.

What I think happened reflecting on the experience since was that every time an issue was about to surface I instead of drifting into a vision became nauseous and thus retained consciousness. Why this happened I don't know but it could be a protective device due to the nature or context of my memories. It could also be that the alkaloids had gone bad due to too long storage time, because I read that later about the batch from which my bark powder had originated.

I think the excerpt you provided was highly informative. It was much there I wasn't aware of.

Seashore · 12-02-2009, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eleni

I think your impression is lacking...

From the iboga ... just like one ...

eleni,

I think it would be helpful to people if you edit your post to show that you're quoting Halvor in the above two paragraphs...

(I think using the tags to create the special box for the quote is good. Just my preference...)

Jacqui D · 12-03-2009, 03:05 PM

Re connection seashore would be a little more than just having dinner!!
We have all lost how to connect with each other, telepathically/socially/connecting back to the heart so to speak. Whilst yes having dinner socialising with others would be a start.
WE have become more and more individually minded, perhaps the computer/gaming side of things have done that but the the whole issue here is we are all one not individual beings and the ultimate end will be to connect back to the original source the creator.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seashore

When I read this I was reminded of something I heard Freeman say during an interview, "People need to spend more time with each other doing things like having dinner together."

Jacqui D · 12-03-2009, 03:07 PM

Re connection seashore would be a little more than just having dinner!!
We have all lost how to connect with each other, telepathically/socially/connecting back to the heart so to speak. Whilst yes having dinner socialising with others would be a start.
WE have become more and more individually minded, perhaps the computer/gaming side of things have done that but the the whole issue here is we are all one not individual beings and the ultimate end will be to connect back to the original source the creator.

11-22-2009, 10:26 AM	#1
Seashore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,564	Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects This thread is an off-shoot of the thread "Camelot Clay and Shawn Pickering Audio Interview." Regarding the topic of removing implants, maybe Dr. Roger Leir could be of assistance. Here is a quote from his website: "He and his surgical team have performed fifteen surgeries on alleged alien abductees. This resulted in the removal of sixteen separate and distinct objects suspected of being alien implants." Here is the link: http://www.alienscalpel.com/aboutus.html

11-29-2009, 03:29 PM	#2
Seashore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,564	Re: Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects Project Camelot has announced an MKULTRA conference: _______________________________________________ State of the Planet The Project Camelot Blog ________________ 28 November 2009 - update • We are proud to announce the MKUltra Mind Control Conference in Boston, MA coming this February... Register now for this fascinating event. Confirmed speakers: Duncan O'Finioan, Rebecca Jernigan, Kerry Cassidy from Project Camelot and Stewart Swerdlow. _______________________________________________ I believe more information about this will follow...

12-02-2009, 02:48 AM	#3
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects Yes, thanks for this. Has anyone listened to the new interview with K&B and James Martinez? I think it's excellent.

12-02-2009, 09:22 AM	#5
AscendingStarseed Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 355	Re: Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects Fascinating material! Still amazes me at how controlled society is, the depths of the infiltration and how long it's been going on. The evil and corruption so pervasive in our society that most people are oblivious too is simply mind boggling sometimes

12-02-2009, 12:13 PM	#7
Seashore Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,564	Re: Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects I'm about a third of the way through the interview. I put it on pause because I was struck by something that was just said. The discussion at this point is about the rich/Illuminati and the practice of Satanism as it relates to our culture today as brought about by TV and computer games - our digital environment "feeding the beast." The point was just made that the Illuminati are disconnected from normal human emotions because of what they have experienced themselves. This makes me think of what I've heard Stewart Swerdlow say: the Illuminati are 100% mind controlled. I have assumed that this means by each other. But I'm not sure about that; I don't know by whom or what they are mind controlled.

12-02-2009, 04:26 PM	#9
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects Just listened to whole interview it has revealed mostly what we know but it is interesting to get this prospective in a way that tells you this is the absolute truth! As so many have stated here on this forum many are under control and have been since children i fell for those who have lost their lives in such terrible circumstances and those who are still under this sleeping, comatosed state of existence. What is so unbelievable is how the manipulation is done through money/ tv/gaming school systems/health all the things we have been brought up to believe is okay technology is okay and should be but it has been used in this negativity to hold each and everyone of us in this amnesic state of affairs. Walter being in there so to speak opens up many questions for me watching this and deciding to make this public and the fact that his family have felt the powers who have had a hand in all of this just makes me so upset. Everyday people are put under such mind control it is heart wrenching, here on avalon we have such people stating such atrocities, james casbolt comes to mind also. What needs to be done by listening to this lengthy interview is to re connect we must all connect back to each other the power is within us not these few which run the whole show but i am frightened if the populace does not wake up soon we could be over run with things far worse than just our spirituality taken from us the technology that these PTB have alongside these negative ET's who have been instigators in this may just pull off what they intend to do and that is a complete slave race they are already nearly there it is up to us now to take back what is ours and put this into motion. Do you want to become part of the drone race i don't think so the answer here is how to make others see sense, wow! we have known this for at least a year when avalon and camelot opened it's door to these whistle blowers it is past my perception of what can be done apart from the highly evolved ones spiritually aiding and benevolent ET's assisting i only hope this is the answer i really do because there are so many more out there still sleeping.

12-02-2009, 04:29 PM	#10
Halvor Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Oslo, Norway Posts: 33	Re: Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects It doesn't seem Martinez' website was presented on the Project Camelot page featuring the interview. I found the website Cash Flow! with James Martinez, and I also found the link to the TV show he says he is currently involved with, http://imaginethistv.com/.

12-02-2009, 05:20 PM	#15
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects Remote influencing- not touched on too much in the interview but...... it is real, it's simply unbelievable at times when as someone like myself who was raised in it can look back and see how events were orchestrated under the influence of remote influencing. After my father died , I had the same dream every night. I knew he was trying to contact me via the dream state and it took me until this year to figure out the meaning of the dream. In the dream he was always sitting in a chair shackled. At the time when I was having the dreams I thought he was just caught on the astral plane since most of these Illume initiates/ characters are so tied to 3d they can't let it go. Instead what he was trying to convey was that he was shackled and had no say because he had given himself over to that world. Maybe it was his way of apologizing to me? In an case, I found the reference Martinez made of ayahausca to be of interest. After my first aya session some 3 years ago I came to a greater understanding and forgiveness even though there are times when I discover more/regain more memory and I break down. Happened yesterday but I then remember the larger picture at hand - they have created something very negative for themselves and have used various good souls as victims. On a higher level I do agree that we agreed to it. I do believe they will reap what they have sown and it may appear unjust at 3d level but theirs is coming. The interview was 100% accurate- everything he stated was truth. There's not a lot of material out there about this subject that hasn't been prone to some disinfo- but I can say that from my experience, what he said was 100% accurate. I'm glad he touched on the ET issue. Here's some good news for the day......today I spoke to a family member- I was told that some people are bankrupt. Of course that's a relative term for us regular people as these people still have loads of $$$, but some at the top have had to put plans on hold (whether it real estate development, shipping, arms dealers, etc) for the time being. They do think they are above everyone and do operate in a different reality which I thought was due to the amount of $$$$/influence they have over society. The higher up in the hierarchy one goes, the more disconnected they are even if they have less $$$$ than someone in the lower ranks. Last edited by eleni; 12-02-2009 at 05:25 PM.

12-02-2009, 06:43 PM	#19
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects Halvor- from my understanding iboga (and it's derived form of ibogaine) is more useful in treating drug and alcohol addiction. Aya is different from what I have read. Iboga sounds scary to me- not sure I would ever use it unless I was an addict of some sort. Have you read accounts of people attempting traditional iboga ceremony in Africa? Sounded scary/very sketchy to me. Of course now there's a whole tourist industry set up in places like the Amazon for aya ceremony and one has to be very careful what shaman they choose. There are less than reputable one's now just looking to cash in. As far as higher agendas go, well some group must have placed these plants on the planet to begin with. Some would say god, my thinking is otherwise. The combo of plants used in aya drink have a consciousness of their own- quite amazing that shamanic plants are a stargate unto themselves, allowing one to access other dimensions, affect DNA etc;

12-02-2009, 09:20 PM	#21
eleni Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 865	Re: Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects I think your impression is lacking. Iboga is much used for spiritual work quite independent of the use as a deeply psychological anti-addiction cure. I tried a batch in my home about 2001-2002 for that purpose, and although my trip was atypical (in that it wasn't really a "trip" at all), I do wonder to what extent it has still advanced my spiritual development in the years since. That development certainly has been big. From the iboga trip reports I have read I get the impression that it has a very intelligent, caring and protecting effect on the subject. In descriptions of the hallucinogenic phase I have read that it can play back pivotal scenes and experiences from the subject's life such that the implicit context becomes explicit. I have also read experiences where lifetime after lifetime was lived to the fullest experience of the duration of time, which is the most mind-boggling to me personally. One testimony in particular also compared it to cleaning up a computer hard disk where the re-ordering of folders was based on a new, coherent and logical hierarchy structure and was done visually just like one would do in Windows Explorer. Another issue is that the trip is longer than with any other psychedelic I am aware of. I think the hallucinatory stage alone can last 18 hours or more. Yes, it is lacking- no direct experience- I've only read Pinckbeck's account, Hancock's and one book on Iboga. Sounds too scary for me but then again aya is scary for others. Aya seems gentler (although that can be very rough, especially for first timers) and does similar. I was aware it can be even longer and there have been a few bad accounts (death) from what I remember reading. Agree that shamanic plants should not be taken lightly. You are very brave to have done that yourself. Many see their death in this lifetime- did you see that? Edited to add- I see Jeremy Narby is coming out with a new book on Iboga and Aya- I really enjoyed reading Cosmic Serpent years before I had aya experiences. " Iboga Root Bark, Ibogaine, Tabernanthe iboga The Bwiti cult and other secret cults from West Africa use Iboga to communicate to their dead ancestors. In many ways its effects and use are similar to the better known Ayahuasca from South America but the effects of the Iboga can be stronger and last much longer. It is the yellowish root that contains the active alkaloids; the root bark is shaved and eaten directly or as a powder drank in an infusion. Cult Shamans use the Iboga Root Bark to seek information from the spiritual world and they may consume this for a full day before asking advice from the ancestors. Much research has been done with using Ibogaine (The active alkaloid in Iboga) for drug addiction therapy. The results have been spectacular with about a 90% success rate when taken in one high dose by an opiate or even alcohol addict it drastically reduces the withdrawal symptoms and gives the patent an insight with clear visions into his or her own life, revealing the personal cause of the addiction. This in turn enables the patient to go for months without a relapse." " A direct experiential comparison of Iboga and Ayahuasca is impossible: they are both teachers of the highest order. Only the rituals can be compared. A Bwiti ceremony is a week long procedure, and that is when rushed for Europeans. Two days cleansing (internal/external), imbibing and then one to two days other side, then three to more days needed for rest and recuperation. The process is understood as being first day dying, second day death, third day onwards rebirth. This is a SERIOUS plant. With ayahuasca there are often people in Peru, and other places, who conduct less than sacred rituals - I know I experienced that once. You would never find that here, the people regard this as the ultimate sacrament, when discussing it, it is never 'Iboga' it is always 'l'iboga sacre' (sacred iboga) or 'l'boue sacre' (sacred drink) . The ritual is not conducted by a single shaman. The entire village takes part, each individual having a specific role to play, instrument to play, part to sing, and they know the ceremony intimately. Having an entire village dedicate two solid days or more to helping you clearly see through the fabric of this reality in the most profound manner by singing, chanting, dancing is an incomparable experience that even now moves me deeply. There is such love emanating from these people. And it isn't your normal African percussive trance inducing music ceremony - the chief instrument is the eight string harp of David, the drums are brought out for only a couple minutes in the whole ceremony, there are so many instruments played, all of them having spiritual significance. I think the drums are used as a last resort, used for those who have 'blockages' as they referred to them. For those who need a real atom-smasher. The music is of a light and angelic nature as opposed to a heavy trancelike beat. Trying to use words to describe the effect of the music is impossible. It was too beautiful for thoughts, let alone words. The fact that it is a combined effort by the whole village, and that you are the centre of focus, you are the 'Banzie', the neophyte, initiate, makes this a very powerful experience indeed. I won't go into detail on the actual experience - it is the method that the experience is served to you that is so impressive, profound and overwhelming." 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12-03-2009, 03:07 PM	#25
Jacqui D Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Kent,England Posts: 1,267	Re: Support for Victims of MKULTRA Projects Re connection seashore would be a little more than just having dinner!! We have all lost how to connect with each other, telepathically/socially/connecting back to the heart so to speak. Whilst yes having dinner socialising with others would be a start. WE have become more and more individually minded, perhaps the computer/gaming side of things have done that but the the whole issue here is we are all one not individual beings and the ultimate end will be to connect back to the original source the creator.