To Anchor: The Crumblng Foundation

[chelmostef]

Originally Posted by Northern Boy

A ship with out a captain is comparable to a row Boat with out Oars.

I really enjoy reading your input NB.. As do a lot of others im sure.. You are one of the oars in my opinion..

I my not know what im typing about but dont be pushed out and dont let the dark forces at work divide and conquer... Follow your heart in what you think is right.. Thats all I have to say on the matter.. We need the oars or we will be rowing in cicles... your input is invaluable..

Stef

[Lightpotential]

It is always sad when somebody says they are leaving a forum. I myself made a similar announcement in another forum (Graham Hancock) almost a year ago. I did not state that I would never post again, only that I was going to take a break for a while, due to the fact that there were 2 particular ‘characters’ on the forum that were very abusive and obnoxious. In fact, one of them got banned. The other took a break and went to another forum (Unexplained mysteries), and after annoying everybody there got himself banned.

I would like to in view of this matter, reproduce my final message from the Graham Hancock forum to this thread, which marked out the beginning of a 6 month absence or so, from the GH forum. It sparked quite a number of replies. Here is what I wrote:


“A certain point has been made recently, by what may be one of the sharpest members currently posting on this board. It was decisive and well worth adding to. But yet, in doing so I cannot help but judge the tone of the way in which it was delivered, to say something more general about this whole board.

Most people who post on Graham’s site are not specialists formally qualified up to doctorate level in the diverse fields of such as astronomy, geology, anthropology or ancient history. And so, surprise surprise; they do not consult masses of technical research papers from all the top journals before daring to post anything of interest at this site. Instead they – shock horror – read books that have been published by people who have attempted to review some of the more technical papers from diverse fields, and to summarise the findings and present them in a way that builds up a big picture, that no research paper was ever really intended to convey, nor could it. (It requires guts and a vision to write these sorts of books I might add).

But the thing is; the people who do write such books can get caught out occasionally. Even with the best of intentions they can present research in summary that may be in error. And thus, the people that read their books may also, in mentioning certain studies, be wrong also. It happens. And yet, that specialists may come along and point out what they think are errors is not in and of itself wrong. In fact it is something that they should do.

That being said however; and now I have in mind certain very specific people on this board; when you do present information that conflicts with something somebody else has put forward – implying that they are wrong – you do not need to imply also that they are an idiot. You do not need to insult them.

There are certain people on this board who need a heavy dose of humility. They cannot seem to help themselves. They get involved in practically every thread, always with something to say. They appear to like arguing for its own sake and take pleasure in pulling people down. Especially with choice comments that usually are along the following lines:

“Oh, that’s just wishful thinking on your part…” “Oh if only you had taken the time to do some proper research before posting…” And then there are those that cite a dozen research papers and provide a ‘helpful’ reading list of 5 or 6 books and say to the effect, “Well, if you read all this you will know what you are talking about...” (This latter one I personally consider to be a real p**s take).

Truly it is ironic that what appear to be some of the smartest and most intelligent people on this board are also some of the most obnoxious and overbearing with their comments. Of course I could name names here. But there is no need. These smart people know who they are. And I know how they would respond. They would either deny their poor character outright, or indeed – and I would not put it past them – be so bold as to say that it is irrelevant. Either way, they would no doubt reply with such as, “I am just stating the facts and not fiction…Blah Blah Blah.” And, “If you cannot handle the truth that’s you problem…Blah Blah Blah.” I do not think anybody here would disagree with this assessment.

And now, in bringing this post to a close, as those who would view my profile will know, there are only just over 200 posts to my name. And this has been over the course of a few years. I do not, like some, get involved in practically every thread, and do indeed take occasional absences from this board for a few months at a time. And this is exactly what I intend to do right now. Just at this moment in time I am feeling life is a bit too short to be here on this board right now. I will return sometime later on after a break.

And so to all, I say goodbye for now.”


After a while I did return to the forum and do post occasionally - and still do so even today. But not all the time in any regular way. Much like here.

LP

[Carol]

Hmmm. I'm not here much myself these days for a number of reasons. Primarily my priorities shifted. This past 24 months I put a lot of energy into helping others.. now my energy is focused on working toward self-sufficiency, improving health, working on my scifi book.

This site was a lot of fun and also filled with a lot headaches a year ago. There were numerous folks joining in and we were all excited. Then the egos came into play and a number of those particular folks got verra, verra nasty and I was verra, verra glad to see them go.

Personally, I like the quality of this forum now. It doesn't need a leader as this is not what this site is about. Rather it is about us nurturing the leader within us. How do we do that? By living our life by example. People need to keep sharing what they are doing to become self-sufficient, building their ground crew where possible and share their experiences.

For myself, I do pop in and read what's up every few days, post rarely because my time is expended doing other things then being on the computer. Being outside and working the land is time consuming... researching is time consuming... raising a family is time consuming. In fact I'm attending a worm workshop tomorrow and attended a bee keeping class this past week. There just isn't that much time to hang out on the net. When I do sit down I'm reading or researching. When I am on the net I'm watching all the youtube gardening videos. Let's get real here. Just how many on this forum can get by one week without having to go to market?

Well... I still have problems with that last question myself. I am trying to retrain myself from being a consumer to being a contributer. It is a completely different mindset and it takes a lot of energy.

As for the crumbling foundation... that happened in full last December when this site went subscription. It's over, get over it. What is left are those who choose to share themselves with others and keep on learning what we can, while we can and while the internet is still viable.

I've always said I was here for the long haul and I meant it.

[bushycat]

Great, Carol. You seem to be enjoying your evolved roll here.
I agree forum doesn't need a leader. "We're the ones we've been
waiting for".

Love Always,
Bushycat

[Carol]

Originally Posted by bushycat

Great, Carol. You seem to be enjoying your evolved roll here.
I agree forum doesn't need a leader. "We're the ones we've been
waiting for".

Love Always,
Bushycat

Hi Miss Kitty. I'm relieved to have been relieved. Less is more. More free time, more interest pursued elsewhere, more fun.

Love U too QTPI,

carol

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by Carol

As for the crumbling foundation... that happened in full last December when this site went subscription. It's over, get over it. What is left are those who choose to share themselves with others and keep on learning what we can, while we can and while the internet is still viable.

For some time, the average members accessing Avalon has been 25-30. The viability of this forum has hit bottom.

Without the involvement of hundreds of more individuals, this forum will die.

The only way to turn it around is to abolish the subscriptions.

There are other good forums one can join and participate in without paying. Funding for B & K will just have to occur some other way... like advertising.

[Carol]

KathyT... many have expressed your sentiments which are now being expressed to the choir who continue to remain and post. Unfortunately, the choir director could care less and is tone deaf.

[FIIISH]

For some time, the average members accessing Avalon has been 25-30. The viability of this forum has hit bottom.

This is how many are on Avalon at this time:

Currently Active Users: 220 (30 members and 190 guests)

For comparisons sake, this is how many are on Divine Cosmos right now:

Currently Active Users: 66 (9 members and 57 guests)

I guess Divine Cosmos is no longer viable?

[mudra]

Originally Posted by KathyT

For some time, the average members accessing Avalon has been 25-30. The viability of this forum has hit bottom.

Without the involvement of hundreds of more individuals, this forum will die.

The only way to turn it around is to abolish the subscriptions.

There are other good forums one can join and participate in without paying. Funding for B & K will just have to occur some other way... like advertising.

I don't know if the forum will die but I do agree with you Kathy that paid subscriptions should be lifted .Funding for B&K is a necessity that I am sure would meet wider success by the installation of a paypal button and free donations and why not as you say advertising. Free access to this forum would create the abundance that would fullfill the expectations of many . We could all profit from this Bill&Kerry included.

Love always
mudra

[Anchor]

Originally Posted by mudra

I don't know if the forum will die but I do agree with you Kathy that paid subscriptions should be lifted .Funding for B&K is a necessity that I am sure would meet wider success by the installation of a paypal button and free donations and why not as you say advertising. Free access to this forum would create the abundance that would fullfill the expectations of many . We could all profit from this Bill&Kerry included.

Love always
mudra

The character of the forum would change back - back to the pre-sub chaos. You will need a very high moderator to poster ratio - perhaps as high as 1 in 15!

There was a huge thread that ran the cyclic arguments around a few times when the announcement was made that it would go subscription.

A..

[Karen]

Originally Posted by KathyT

For some time, the average members accessing Avalon has been 25-30. The viability of this forum has hit bottom.

Without the involvement of hundreds of more individuals, this forum will die.

The only way to turn it around is to abolish the subscriptions.

There are other good forums one can join and participate in without paying. Funding for B & K will just have to occur some other way... like advertising.

I have spoken to Kerry on the phone about getting rid of the subscriptions - it's NOT going to happen. Bill and Kerry are adamantly opposed to any kind of advertising. So yes, let's all get over trying to tell Bill and Kerry how to run THEIR projects. They have heard all these suggestions 1000 times over. If a person does not stand firm in their own personal integrity then what do they have?

The donate button has always been there, but did not bring in enough income. I tried suggesting and really getting behind an all out fund-raiser effort like commercial-free NPR (National Public Radio) runs. That was the first time I spoke with Kerry on the phone, and it got an emphatic and repeated veto until I changed the subject to other business to be covered.

I don't agree with all the doomsaying that this forum is going to die, and I very much object. I've watched the numbers go up and down and right now participation is increasing. No doubt winter in the Northern Hemisphere will bring more people indoors and to the computer. Anyone who asks for a free subscription can have one. karen@projectavalon.net.

Here's some stats on new registrations.
September 2008 -----3643
October 2008----------1424
November 2008---------557
December 2008---------432
January 2009-------------341
February 2009------------275
March 2009----------------371
April 2009------------------332
May 2009-------------------273
June 2009------------------235
July 2009 ------------------ 252
August 2009---------------223
September 2009 ---------325

[mudra]

Originally Posted by Anchor

The character of the forum would change back - back to the pre-sub chaos. You will need a very high moderator to poster ratio - perhaps as high as 1 in 15!


A..

Anchor I was now going to wish that the massive cue that is waiting outside Avalon's gate would throw away their reluctance to pay for their subscription and join straight away .
Do I have to hold back from this ?

Love always
mudra

[mudra]

Originally Posted by Karen

I don't agree with all the doomsaying that this forum is going to die, and I very much object.

Be reassured Karen,

This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
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LOve Always
mudra

[bushycat]

Originally Posted by mudra

Be reassured Karen,

This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
This forum is never going to die !
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LOve Always
mudra

Ditto Ditto Ditto Ditto, etc, etc., etc.


Love Always from me, too,
Bushycat

[Kulapops]

Good luck NB if you leave, good luck if you don't! I've read a few of your posts, don't remember them explicitly, but I know you like to speak your mind and have good strong views. I'm all for doers. If doing is leaving the forum, great. If doing is coming back, what the harm?

Either way of course, it's pretty difficult to have an impact on the fate of the forum or subscribers in any other way than posting.

As Jester says,

"We are the Ground Crew"

That will always be true, whether you are here or not, you will still be one of the ground crew.

I left for a while, when the subscriptions went to pay (I was one that didn't agree with paying... but it was probably more like sourgrapes at paying paypal (!) ). But I did tune in occasionally (like Carol is doing now it seems - way to go girl!) . I can't recommend it enough. When this Swineflu raised it's head, I just had to subscribe to say my piece. I wasn't going to let $5 or Paypal get in my way...

Since then I've enjoyed a few posits on different topics.

My view on subscription then is that - Crikey anyone who 'can't afford' $5 is not being honest with themselves. Especially when you see how much these topics mean to them. I mean, are we talking five large mars bars here versus the state of the world and the universe and everything as we know it !

I decided not to pay... not because I didn't think Avalon was run right (like I could do better ? hee hee) but because there's only sooooo much time you can spend talking about this stuff... then I have to get off my butt and dooo something.

(like hoover the house and do the dishes piling up.....)

I wish you well on your journey NB... but like The Eagles sang.

You can check out any time you like.... but you can never leave

cue guitar

K

[mudra]

I will miss you Northern Boy .
I liked your soul signature .. strong and sturdy..
I wish we would have had more time to become friends.
Next time round we will..

Be well on your journey .
until we meet again

Love always
mudra

[Lionhawk]

Sorry to see you go to Northern Boy. Forgive me for being way late on that as I just found this thread just now. It's a rookie thing. But I am paying my respects since you did visit my profile page. Thanks for the visit. Hopefully you will reconsider as many here really do share a great concern here as to your leaving. I wish I got to know you after seeing a lot of the positives said on your behalf.

That being said, I also noticed that this forum is still very young. It's not like an old mountain, where everyone seems to own a piece of it. For me it is a cool place with a bunch of cool people who share themselves with each other. The difficulty is the impersonal thing in communication where you are just reading someone's take on a screen. That can be very limiting. I am sure if we were to gather in person as in the physical, we would probably get along much better as the interaction would then be on a level playing field.

Detachment is a very healthy way of not getting stressed out over these kinds of platforms.

I also do agree that there is no conspiracy behind the scenes here. If you do a reading, you'll come up empty. But there is a rogue element interfering with this forum, from the outside of it. I have gotten area 51 energies coming through here bombarding the site. High tech stuff. It is also not just here but would seem to be everywhere they can run the interference. Especially in the last 3 months. Many people are being attacked as I have witnessed this first hand. I can't keep up on it.

If any of you haven't run a website, let me just tell you it isn't a picnic. There are costs involved. Even separate costs to have a forum. Now do all that by yourself and then you will have a better understanding and you won't have any real complaints. You'll appreciate quality over quantity any day of the week. Less issues to deal with. What I like about here is that you can realize your own potential and share it with everyone else. Like stepping up to the plate and hitting your own home run. You don't need a leader to tell you to do that. Also not to blow smoke but I think the mods here are very dedicated to what they do. I don't know if they get paid to do this but I would hope they got something for all the hours they have spent reading all of our take on things. I think a subscription makes good sense and it is cheap and going to a great cause. It's a lot cheaper than paying for your own website by the month. Or a forum service. Don't forget the costs for a domain name. Also to have a chance of being on a forum like this if your luck is down, just shows you the character of the people running this outfit.

Didn't mean to go off on a tangent. So stick around will ya? It is just a choice.

Namaste'

[Dantheman62]

[BROOK]

OMG ...it's Dantheman....what's up Watson?

We need you back! Missing your research and I need a good Laugh!

Hay Dan...I took your advise..I'm in a hotel right now...relaxing...ahhh
Silly me...I brought my lap top.

[JesterTerrestrial]

The word on the street is that Northern Boy is busy in action and doing super awesome. The word around the forum is that Avalon will never die!

There are so many things to talk about and share I just know it! As long as it can evolve with the times and reinvent itself for the times ahead. lets get momo in here...he'll help flip this place inside out An upgraded interface with graphics and perhaps another overhaul to the fourm sections. If I could I would! Pick a topic and write about it...the best way to learn is to teach and if you make some posts you might just learn something! The foundation will never crumble. Im serious when I say that Project Avalon has saved my life and I know that it has opened the doors for truth. Real truth seekers and sayers meeting in a public fourm right before the eyes of the very same people who have caused all the problems and events of extra-terrestrial cover ups, insane lies and an out right evil spirtual war against an entire planetary population. This site and many others of similar nature have exposed many of the lies as to how completly horrific and barbaric that the crimes against humanity have been from countless false wars and murderous thugish games to keep the power and food and wealth in the hands of a few and their entire pyramid scam that almost worked but as we know the fatal impact Project Avalon has had the only foundation that I see crumbling is the old world order and the amazing dream of killing six billion people through some insane chemical enginered virus sort of like aids and sars or forced drugging or whatever these one eyed MIS - leaders can think of in their private jets and sky scrappers and under ground bunkers.

We know whats going on and I can not think of a better place to share information related to the original goals of avalon that set the mission in action. It may have to evolve as it already is.

The rise of AVALON!!! WILL NEVER DIE!!! KEEP SHARING THE LOVE! and

have a nice day.

JT

[lucrum]

Northern Boy, I've been seeing you around this forum quite some time now and I have found many of your posts reflective and informative.
However, I'll call this a well earned break on your behalf.

Come back live'n'kicking soon!

As for Avalon, I'm sensing a shift. Tends to be more touchy-feely these days and a few seems to gather frustration in their search for getting told what to do with everything.

It's a buttload of information to read/watch on this forum, too much to grasp it all if you haven't been here for the ride since early beginning.
I'm not here to get told what to do or how to solve problems. I'm here to stay in the know, and lately I've been here to try keep things somewhat leveled.
I may be wrong about this, but lately I've seen too many "holyer than thou" responses around here, with clear tendencies of annoyance over questions raised around what they typed themselves.
Everyone is entitled their view and everyone is asked to tolerate this! If you feel distrusted, unappreciated or the likes, you may be trying to hard and should level your own expectations.

Do not expect that everyone here thinks the same, even though we work towards a common goal. Do not expect that everyone is at the same level of understanding and act accordingly. It's ok to question what you don't find true in your heart, without going close to the edge of flaming or accusations.

I ask everyone that contribute to this community to at least try to remember these differences when we discuss or present material on this forum.

[Humble Janitor]

I feel like I am floating in a boat in the middle of the water right now. No money, no unemployment and no real propects. Yet, it feels very peaceful, very calm and not as hectic sometimes. Where are the angry demands from the landlord for back rent? Where are the bills that should have come pouring in? The bills did pour in but I have been here before. This is nothing new. The last time I was in this boat, it signaled a change in my way of thinking and how I conducted myself.

This is a learning experience. I am meant to be going through this. Since 1999, my life could be divided into 5 year cycles: 1999, 2004 and now 2009. Now is a chance to re-invent myself and the lessons I need to learn from those other cycles is to be aware, control myself and use the experiences as something positive.

Thank you for your post, NB. You got me thinking about the awareness part when I was focusing too much on the positivity, new paradigm stuff.

Am I worried that I'll be homeless? Definitely. I worry about becoming disconnected from a world that I am used to being a part of. The internet has given me many tools to express myself and communicate in a way that I otherwise would be unable to do. It has introduced many concepts to me and I have used what I've read to change my life and to help me to better understand others, which is one of my weakenesses.

[orthodoxymoron]

We could tell people that if they join Avalon...they will be saved and go to heaven. We could tell people that if they leave Avalon...they will fall off the edge of the world...and go straight to hell. We could have people tithe 10% of their income to Avalon. All of the above has worked for a lot of churches for a long, long time. Sorry...I just couldn't resist. I tried. I really tried. I'm out of control.