2 misconceptions

[arcora]

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[burgundia]

it looks like your truth is my truth. this is exactly how i feel about God and myself. And subconsciously I have always known about those 2 misconsceptions you have described here. I always send love directly to God, I am so greatful to him that I exist abd I know that all power that I have comes from Him.

[taomation]

Ego, is thinking that you alone have all the answers to spirituality and that everyone else is wrong.

[arcora]

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[ghglenn]

Arcora this is the best post I have read on this forum...Thanks for that.
I too feel the same about my path.
Don't worry about the negative posts that may come from sharing this, the result will just prove your point.

[Trishsgate]

Arcora, I am not wishing to argue with you. I do see a few things different or maybe misconceptions on my part, they are still my views until shown differentially.

Spirituality yes religion no and I will tell my beliefs on that one. Too many wars\deaths have been attributed to religious beliefs, the old "my god is better than your god" aspect has ruined it for many as far as religion goes. Another is money how much is given to religious organizations in the name of god when that money should be in teaching about the word and redistributing to the needy instead how much of this lines the pockets of these religious leaders\organizations instead of it's true purpose? Lastly the control\boundaries that religion's place on society if it were to teach morality and integrity it has failed poorly in many circumstances.

Love most do not understand the true word "love" or agape. There again how many have been killed in the name of 'love" by someone without any understanding of the word. Love is a selfless expression not about you but another. I agree with you about how love should be shown it is in deed not anything to do with self at all, you should love yourself but not be in love with self.

This second misconception you speak of I have difficulties with when you say one does not create their own path which is the reality they live in now. Being a "god" has nothing to do with creating your own path. If you make certain choices in life that lead to cra* or contentment whichever be the case are you not creating that reality in and of itself which can be changed by additional choices should you wish to change them. Are not people's choices they make sometimes a necessary evil to teach or guide them on their path? Could these choices that were seen as hardships now be used later in life as a necessary tool, again one's perceptions of what is needed in life. If enough people choose poorly is that in and of itself feasible proof that we have chosen poor decisions and poor leadership\guidance.

One example here. Say a young wealthy teen chooses to go against her families wishes and marry outside the "class" instead she chooses to abandon the structure she had been reared in. She finds many struggles in life but also finds contentment within her own life. Now she not only changed or created a new path but also altered her parents\workers path's as well see how it works. One person's choices sometimes affect many other's. Could go into great detail on this but I will not you get the jest of it.

When our government makes choices are they not steering a course that is either beneficial or non-beneficial for it's people and the people have to adjust to or reject and alter what has just happened. Cause and effect usually are long range effects that appear down the road and many times are not immediately seen nor felt.

As far as war, strife, famine, and misery may be because of the choices of some the people or government. War IMO is started over religion\culture differences in many cases and the rest are to help economies and the wealthy corporations {sic}. Strife there again differences of cultures\views and in many cases someone's making is it not? Famine could be eliminated by people's choices, educating people on personal responsibility and with the religious organizations\government aid to help wipe it out. One question to you and others if I chose to have 15 children is it fair for me to ask you to assist me in rearing them? BTW I do help all I can and will continue to do so until I cannot, which is another question as the belt tightens how many can help other's with their choices in life? Until such time that people take personal responsibility for one's own action's they will never have control over their own lives someone else will decide for them, I prefer to make and guide my own. This prison I agree is temporary. A narrow gate perhaps but there are many ways\lessons to learn to get there.

Peace & Love to you
Trish

[arcora]

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[Connecting with Sauce]

An excellent thread... I have one correction/observation to your comments

Originally Posted by arcora

I have said repeatedly "I know what I know and I know what I don't know".

I would say that you don't know what you don't know... but that is nit picking. Or a 3rd option obviously because we could know about something but not yet know it ie not studied it yet but be aware of it.

I think it is a time of doing rather than talking about it... Which I'm starting to realise... My issue is what do you do... I have a multi-fork in my path and I just know the road I'm on now is not the right direction.

I feel the healing road is calling... I'm choosing to delay for some reason. Maybe the next few weeks will add clarity for us all.

[Peer]

Quote:
Originally Posted by taomation
Ego, is thinking that you alone have all the answers to spirituality and that everyone else is wrong.

Arcora answered:

For the record, I have never claimed to have all the answers - quite the opposite. I have said repeatedly "I know what I know and I know what I don't know".

I knew that creating this thread would generate a negative response from certain members and I resisted creating it because I would prefer to avoid comments like yours and others that are sure to follow.

I was asked to do it and I complied. Accept it or reject it - it's up to you.

Don't shoot the messenger.


I don't see where you are attacked here so why answer in such a defensive tone?
I think you made a great post and think taomation made a complementary remark.
That's how I see it.

[sunny D]

Originally Posted by taomation

Ego, is thinking that you alone have all the answers to spirituality and that everyone else is wrong.

.........So true....Namaste

[arcora]

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[GregorArturo]

Thank you everyone who responded. I really hope I got my point across.

Originally Posted by arcora

If knowledge is infinite then there's always an infinite number of truths and knowledge that we don't possess. Sounds like another reason to be humble.

Actually, it is the exact opposite. One being humble implies that you are less than say the creator, which again furthers separation.

Back to the math board. First, take in consideration on my piece with the Law of One earlier with irrational numbers, in that you yourself are your own infinity, within an infinity. Infinity will always equal infinity, nothing more, nothing less. Let's say the creator is the entire number line, infinity, while you are the number six. You are implying that because we are only a piece of this infinity, that we must be humble, in giving it respect as we cannot amount to its infinite greatness.

Well, this time let's have your soul be a rational number, ie 6, to make this easier to explain. With your rational (not the number, ie ideology), that would imply you are less significant than the creator. If that is the case that means it wouldn't be a problem if say you disappeared out of the equation as you are of less importance.

Now let's set you aside, the number six, and pull you out of the number line. Well, looks like 3 + 3 doesn't work anymore. No carbon based lifeforms anymore (carbon is defined by six protons). New Agers can say good bye to their lovely quartz crystals due to their hexagonal structure. Christians need a new triple number for evil. Oh wait, mathematics is no longer a perfect functioning system, and oh wait, the universe no longer ceases to exist! I hope I made my point.

Thank you Arcora for your place It is of grave and EQUAL importance. Feel free to ask any other questions. I hope I am not offending you, I just take a firm position against anything that puts forth a separation mentality as it is inherently harmful to ones being. I hope you understand that.

[Harper]

Gregor, let me congratulate you on your passion! Fantastic & inspiring- I know that you were blown away on the other thread about proportions and clues left by the designers of the anti-gravity machine, I was too as I have heard that how the pyramids were built, but that's not important now anyway. I wish I had your aptitude for maths, lucky fella. .........So as there are a lot of very interesting posts here one can only assume that you are all bright sparks. So this story has haunted me since I heard it and I will be very brief but if anyone had time to offer their opinion I would indeed be grateful - even if I disagree :-)

This maybe a herman hesse or primo levi story but can't recall exactly right now.

A worker of some sort in a concentration camp in germany during WWII, risked his life everyday to bring food to one of the men detained in the camp and essentially saved this man's life. The man survived and many years later returned from the US to Germany to find his saviour to thank him, he found him. The man old by now had practically no memory of what he had done, or if he did he had no interest at all and was not one bit impressed in the former detainee's gratitude. The former camp victim was left cold and disappointed by the experience.
So if lets say the saviour in this story just by rote did the right thing everyday by bringing him food, but essentially did not care about this man at all BUT did save his life, what kind of an act is this? You could not call it love in action or could you? Could it be an inate ability to know what is the is right thing to do, whilst perhaps hating this jewish man in the camp-- I mean he was working there but may not have had a choice in the manner.

Anyway I wonder what you all think?

Thank you arcora for begining this post and I do appreciate what you say even if I do not agree with every little aspect, I do not agree principally as I am in a state of huge confusion at the moment and do not want to appropriate any new "beliefs" till I know where I am.

Thanking you
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[Trishsgate]

Harper, I am not the OP here but will respond with my thoughts.
With all due respect for the man we are speaking of since I am not the man nor can I speak for him nor would I wish to judge.

Just my thoughts perhaps if it were me in a situation like this I would hopefully have resigned but should I stay out of necessity or to help in a bad case scenario I would have felt some guilt by working at the camp, and repaid in kind by offering some relief to the man hoping to help at least one life, the recipient very grateful probably should have taken into consideration the age and health of the giver it could be dementia or alzheimer's or simply I wished not to be reminded of a past I did not like. I rarely find a person who truly hates someone helping them out love\hate relationship possibly.

Right thing to do is all I can say, doing the right thing in what I felt was a bad situation for the man and myself IMHO.

While I have helped people all throughout my life with many returning or calling to say thank you it really was not a necessary thing to do, it was freely given, no strings attached which include's a thank you. While I acknowledge the thank you the best thing IMO could have been to see that it made a difference for them in their lives this IMO is the best thank you and what I enjoy hearing. No guilt here with me just a concern for that individual at that particular point in time.


Love & Peace
Trish

[sfth13]

Originally Posted by arcora

The inmate thinks about why he's in prison, what he's done in prison to show he's rehabilitated and approaches the judge with absolute humility and asks for mercy and kindness. He tells the judge that he's sorry, he's learned his lesson and he'll never do it again. Then, if the judge has reason to believe that prisoner is sincere and has truly changed his ways he may grant release.

There is a spiritual war happening right now - everywhere around you. It is a war for your soul. Those that want to keep you imprisoned will lie to you. They'll give you a lot of truth to establish their credibility with you. But then, they'll mix in a few insidious lies which they know you'll believe because they sound good, make you feel good and you have begun to trust your captors. Those little lies are devastating. Be careful what you believe because there aren't many parole hearings left to be had.

After many changes in my life the past few years (some changes I can't explain why they happened) this pretty much sums up what i've been feeling and thinking. like i'm preparing for judgement day.

Out of the blue 2 years ago I got a telescope and have been looking into the heavens ever since, seeing some of the most spectacular eye openeing things. other galaxies, nebuli star clusters and I've always thanked the creator for this incredible view.

[arcora]

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[norman]

Originally Posted by arcora

Sending 'love vibrations' into the cosmos is nothing more than emitting energy. Energy is energy -

It isn't even that.



Don't worry about the negative posts that may come from sharing this, the result will just prove your point.


OK I'm Mr negative. Your 'LOVE' is genuine. I don't doubt that. Your expression of 'LOVE' is only going to be 'genuine' if it has the equivalent of 'having it's priorities in the correct order'.

The 'correct order' 's that billions of humans express are only subjective and add-up to what we 'see' here in this world right now. Cooking 'brownies' for the kids is NOT an expression of your love. ( it COULD be killing them ). 'GIVING' to 'unfortunate' people is NOT an expression of your love. These things are only your 'spiritual' 'ego' playing games.

As is very apparent by the number of people using forums like this one, THERE IS 'SOMETHING' 'HAPPENING' TO THIS 'WORLD' right now and NONE of us 'know' what it is.

What we see amongst the population are a myriad of 'reactions' to this realisation. The spiritual 'ego's are 'sending love'. The dark 'elite' are 'tunnelling away'. The TV fans are burying their heads. These reactions are only 'symptoms' of a realisation of some sort of change in our human condition. None of us know what it is and, in my opinion, what's happening is outside of our control. You can express what you think is love, but, your spiritual ego's surrender to 'WHAT's HAPPENING' is what you ( and I ) must face.

I know that sounds very 'bossy'. For what it's worth at this time, I'm sorry about that. My symptoms are showing. So are yours and everyones. Hold tight, this is going to be a very . . . . . . . . . . . .


norman.

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[Allie]

Interesting thread, Acora

Now I know what you mean about the 'fuzzy warm' feeling you've mentioned before. It's all beginning to make sense....

I do think you make a good point about 'love' being a verb. Unfortunately, 'love' is a very misused word. From personal experience, I came to think of it as a strange form of currency....I will pay you with 'x' amount of 'love' if you play ball according to my rules. Unfortunately, I have a sister who loves me to bits and tells me frequently - providing I think and act as she does. Any deviation from this 'norm' is liable to result in words that I don't think could be described as 'loving'

I have also heard your theory in respect of sending out energy before. Many times, in fact - and I, along with many others, was very dubious about the 'Fire the Grid' experiment in 2007. Something didn't quite sit right for me in terms of some of the promises on that website.

With regard to the 'creating your own reality', I do see your point and accept it. However, I think we could take it to a microcosmic level rather than a worldy one

Take my abovementioned sister (please!!). She is highly negative, full of self-pity and convinced she is a) the only person that sufferers and b) the only person worth talking about. Consequently, people tend to avoid her - which creates the self-fulfilling prophecy that she 'suffers'. Now, if she opened her eyes to the lives that other people live, realised that most people have pain in their lives at some time, and focused just a little on how those people were or tried to really help and support them, her reality would change dramatically. People wouldn't avoid her - they might even seek her out, which in turn, would make her happier.

This is my understanding of creating my own reality.

I have known people who, when they approach a matter with confidence and positivity, can make things happen. Similarly, those whose approach is lacking in confidence and full of negativity tend to receive the thin end of the wedge.

I was also interested in experiments such as the phantom DNA. The results did tend to indicate that our thoughts and feelings interacted with the DNA, which, like all else in the Universe is simply particles and therefore, energy. And the double-slit experiments seem to indicate that matter is affected when we turn our attention onto it

[arcora]

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[arcora]

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[Rareheart]

First. Reality check. If you create your own reality - Why is there war, strife, famine and misery throughout the world? Even if you are co-creators I submit that you're doing a (p)iss-poor job.

Negativity rules because most people are negative...when that changes, everything else will change too. All of our thoughts and intentions are like votes...in a way. The majority of these "votes" dictate reality.
This is what is meant by co-creation...in my opinion.
If everyone on the planet began to send out thoughts and intentions of Love...do you think we would have any more war?
I don't.

arcora...the spiritual war you mentioned takes place within every living soul. It is the battle between the head and heart. The heart seeks harmony, while the head seeks mastery...the two can not co-exist...thus we have imbalance.

Reality exists in one place only...everything you have ever sensed (seen, felt, tasted, touched) exists because your mind/body took in sensations and through electro-chemical reactions, interpreted these inputs as being 'things' that are 'real'. I contend that without your thoughts, nothing would exist.

Try it at home...go to sleep...while your asleep, what exists? (except your dream world)