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To the agents working the PC & PA Sites..... And, this thread....
How many hours of flight; DO YOU HAVE as PIC... Have You flown the route that You are spinning yor yarn...? Such a weapon shows No Light or shaft of light... No Fire... 'The Target will turn to dust...' So, you people are informed... A " Black Box " is really Brite, Brite Orange, further has a beacon sending a signal which would last a long time... FYI, I waited to post this info. To see how far the B.S. would go... NTSB people already know this... Aviators know this... 40,000 Ft., that's over storm tops... Other Aircraft reports would be nice, if truthful... Becareful what you listen to... Trooly, Tango |
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Search for Air France Flight 447 Reveals Astonishing Pollution of World's Oceans
by Mike Adams, the Health Ranger, NaturalNews Editor (NaturalNews) The most alarming piece of news this week emerged when investigators of the doomed Air France flight 447 announced they had found "floating debris" from the plane crash, but it turned out to be only floating trash in the ocean. This is, all by itself, a disturbing commentary on the pollution of the world's oceans: When investigators can't find a plane crash in the ocean because there's already too much trash floating on the surface, we have a problem with pollution. It's as if they went out to find a plane crash, but ended up discovering that our oceans look like a train wreck. Had they peeked under the surface of the water, they might have found untreated dry cleaning chemicals from a cruise ship, raw feces from a military vessel and tiny bits of plastic that pose an extreme risk to marine life. With this, air travel investigators learned an important lesson: Just because debris is floating in the ocean doesn't mean a plane crashed there. It could just mean humans are destroying the planet. While 228 passengers sadly died in a tragic air travel accident, we might all die if we don't stop polluting our fragile ecosystems with endless trash. (If investigators followed the line of debris, of course, it would lead them straight to the nearest port where ocean liners and military ships would be found several thousand pounds lighter due to all the garbage and sewage they dumped in the ocean before anchoring. The U.S. military, in particular, treats the world's oceans like a giant toilet, dumping trash, sewage and dangerous chemicals directly into the waters.) What's really crashing is much bigger than one plane Getting back to flight 447, investigators first announced they had "without a doubt" found wreckage from the flight. And what, exactly, had they spotted? A wooden pallet! Did they think flight 447 was a Wright Brothers airplane? Who spots an intact wooden pallet and concludes they're looking at the wreckage of a modern-day airplane? Did they really think an entire plane (made out of metal) was destroyed, but a fragile wooden pallet somehow emerged from the crash unscathed? An oil slick was also spotted near the area where the plane went missing, and investigators initially thought that was from the downed Air France flight. But it turns out it was just another random petrochemical slick from a passing ship that dumps toxic liquids into the ocean. Nothing to see here, move along... move along. Several French submarines are apparently en route to the suspected crash site, where they hope to explore the depths of the ocean floor, looking for clues. While they might not find clues, I can tell you a few things they will find: Old decomposing Coca-Cola cans swaying with the current along the ocean floor, plastic bottle caps bobbing in the water, and ghost town dead zones where there used to be thriving marine ecosystems. This, of course, will be of no interest to them, because these investigators are out to determine what happened to 228 people, not to investigate a crash in marine biodiversity. Yes, it's important to know what happened to flight 447. The world wants to know whether it was bombed, or shot down, or destroyed by lightning. But while we're looking around the oceans, didn't anybody happen to notice all the floating trash there? And why isn't the mainstream media wondering why our oceans are now so polluted that investigators can't sort out plane crash debris from all the other junk floating on the ocean? The big story here, folks, is not the crash of flight 447. The real story is the presence of so much trash floating in the ocean that it confuses investigators. And if this pollution continues, future plane crashes may be utterly indistinguishable from all the garbage out there already. I can see the future headlines already: "Air Passengers Saved by Emergency Landing on Island of Debris in the South Pacific." |
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Hi judykott,
Part of your post is inaccurate. Although it is true that the oceans are dirty, we can understand how this happens, we need only to look in the streets and see people throw litter. Mindless morons. People like this are all over the world, even going up Mount Everest! But getting back to the Air France disappearance. The only debris brought on board of a Brazilian Navy vessel was done so on Thursday, found 200km north of Fernando de Noronha and it is this debris, which was thought to be from the aircraft but confirmed not, which they are talking about. The other debris (passenger seat, buoy and seven meter piece of debris) which was spotted on the Tuesday 620km northeast of Fernando de Noronha has still to be brought aboard for inspection. of course if this is found also not to be from the aeroplane, we can only come to two conclusions. The plane really disappeared and the state of the oceans is getting worse, sufficiently to lead the Brazilian Navy on a wild goose chase. But with all said and done I think it was interesting that the reporter looked at the story from another angle. Best regards, Steve Quote:
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Bodies "found" from missing airplane:
Two bodies and debris have been found from the Air France plane which went missing over the Atlantic last Monday, the Brazilian air force has said. The remains were taken from the water early on Saturday morning, said spokesman Jorge Amaral. Experts on human remains are on their way to examine the find. All 228 passengers and crew on board AF 447 are believed to have been killed when the plane disappeared during its flight from Rio de Janeiro to Paris. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8087303.stm Kindness mudra |
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For French air accident investigators, trying to extract meaning from the shreds of information about the last minutes of Flight AF 447 must be excruciating.
They have neither the flight data recorder nor the cockpit voice recorder. Both are thousands of metres below the surface of the Atlantic. Instead they have a series of messages sent out over a satellite network called ACARS. The ACARS messages themselves have not been released but an unverified list has been leaked. The BBC cannot vouch for its accuracy. ... What is clear is that the crew, who should have been able to see some of these warnings on their cockpit displays, would have been assailed by demands for action from the aircraft's systems. ... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8086111.stm Kindness mudra |
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Ian & Tango...found this in my inbox this morning...maybe the dead fish are starting to stink enough to make some heads turn...
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This story just wreaks. Maybe it's now my nature to distrust disasters now, but it's amazing how there are all these catastrophic failures, no debris really, and now we have 2 bodies, poor souls. I do lift them up and their families. We have subs that can retrieve the "black" boxes so let them get around that. Oh, and watch them not release the data either.
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He is Right abt 587 the rudder was slammed full L & R; it was said by witnesses before it went flying off... Tail wagging... Time to get rid of the 'flight managment 'puters w/remote.....' They take control VIA remote systems... The actual A/C controls become useless... 187 by remote... Do they have " voice recordings of pilots...?" I never liked 'fly by wire' was always concerned about this... Just think, som cold hearted SOB sat @ a terminal and did this. Very Sad. I'll keep my cool... [locked, loaded, cocked, Ready to Rock N' Roll]... back to wearing the vest; I really hate wearing the damn thing... So much for travel... So much for aviation... All, for the greed of a few. Sadly, this feels all too TRUE. [looking down; shaking head] Tango |
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But how do they get control via remote system ? I guess these A/C controls must be designed to have some backdoors hardware (chip)/software so that can be easily controlled remotely. |
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It was a "remote controlled" death....
Interesting article attached from the excellent fourwinds10 website, which suggests, as in the past, that the airbus was "remotely controlled" to crash, as has happened in the past, as the airbus is perfect for remote control as it is fully computer controlled. Only question is, who did they want dead so much that they killed 227 others? I guess its best to stick to Boeing aircraft..... http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1244235892 you cover your tracks by directing the craft into the "anvil" of the ITCZ (the inter tropical convergence zone - glad you don't fly through that zone!), so everyone thinks it broke up through turbulence rather than the "remote controller", then crash the plane in a way whereby the black box can never be recovered...luckily the passengers would have likely had a peaceful death because break up would have caused immediate loss of consciousness and deep coma.... http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6446268.ece |
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Field McConnell and David Hawkins over at Hawks CAFE concur, and they link AF447 to the same crew that allegedly perpetrated 9/11! Here is an excerpt from their post, dated 3 Jun 09 to Jack Stockwell, host of the Jack Stockwell radio program:
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there seems to be a LOT of plane crashes lately.
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One will think twice now before deciding to go by air....
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1. Check the passenger list and the background of some "high" targets 2. Check plane model and type (fly-wire, no fly-wire, twin engines / four-engines) 3. Travel by other means (ship, astral ) 4. Build your own anti-gravity aircraft 5. Wait for our "brothers and sisters" to give us a lift 6. Wait for John Lear and fly with his Cesena plane (actually he's broke ) 7. 777 can give us a hint |
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Hi viking,
Let's not let our imagination run away with us. Eventually the black boxes will be found and everything will be revealed. There are one or two points about the crash which to me don't really make sense. Firstly the authorities exclude the possibility of a bomb, even though they admit the aeroplane broke up mid air, this being proven by the scattering of the debris. The thing is the authorities don't know what brought down the plane, so how can they rule out a bomb? If they know what it isn't, then they must know what it is. Right? Secondly they speak about the 20 messages in four minutes prior to the plane going off the radar. They do not say that for a plane to hit the water, it would take at least two minutes to fall from the sky as we're talking high altitude here. Most of those messages could have been sent on the planes descent, switching off the automatic pilot could have been done by the pilot as the plane becomes out of control, faliure of this and that as it was going down and the cabin was eventually depressurized and invaded by the elements of -55C. The radar contact would have been lost on impact and anyway the flight was in 'no mans' land' where it leaves one radar juristinction (Brazil) to another (Senegal) so the flight really was lost when it didn't report to the second radar area so the actual oment of loss of contact is only an estimate. They say that the pilot tried to fly the plane over or through a storm. There are radar devices in the plane which monitor where the storms are and it's normal for pilots, even the more experienced ones, to skirt round the 'eye' of the storm instead of trying to go directly through. The good thing, if you like, is that more bodies and debris are turning up so the Brazilian navy together with the French sub can get a relatively better chance of finding the carcass of the plane and consequently the outstanding corpses and eventually the black boxes. As for the NASA video taken before the crash happened, possibly days before as the cloud cover is sparse, it was raining heavily the night of the accident yet land forms can be seen from the satelite image. With that said and done it would be interesting to know what those images are on the video. It really is suprising that Google has a camera that can see a car on the ground. Imagine NASA. When will it learn to take sharp pictures? Also I'm not too keen on dramatic music to try and make a sinister point. It just doesn't wash with me. Best regards, Steve Quote:
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http://www.sundayherald.com/internat...512885.0.0.php
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thank the universe for the internet. How easily this all would have evaporated 20 years ago.....
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Hi Avid,
Good find! Although it's too early in the game to really seriously think of a bomb, at least we have (at least) one motive. There are, of course, others. There was also a Foreign Relations director from Petrobrás on board. For those who don't know, Petrobrás is a Brazilian partially state run oil company that is under investigation for corruption and trafficking of influences. The authorities have stated that with the finding of the tail section of the aircraft, it might be easier to locate the black boxes as they are situated near to the tail of the plane (I used to think they were in the cockpit until that note came out). They also are still trying to justify the 'no bomb' theory stating that none of the 24 bodies recovered so far had burn marks. In response to that I would say that the bomb, if there was one, didn't need to be placed in the passenger area of the aeroplane. It could have been planted in the hold. The fact that the 24 bodies didn't have burn marks is not revealing a great deal as they have not been identified and so the authorities don't know where they were sitting during the flight. They could all have been First Class and seperate from Economy. It seems that just as the Air France pilots are jumping to conclusions about the Pitot, as are the authorities about the 'no bomb' aspect, as are theorists about Alien abduction and vectors..... I beleive that the Brazilian Navy is doing an excellent job and reckon that before long, who knows even by the end of next week, the black boxes will be found and the truth, as much as can be gleened, will be known. Best regards, Steve [QUOTE=Avid;143625 The plot thickens.... (apols if this has been noticed before).[/QUOTE] |
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*** * The capability to "take control" of ANY aircraft, in flight or otherwise, has been installed on ALL major airplanes since the Mid-1970s. ...: "In the mid-seventies America faced a new and escalating crisis, with US commercial jets being hijacked for geopolitical purposes. Determined to gain the upper hand in this new form of aerial warfare, two American multinationals collaborated with the Defense Advanced Projects Agency (DARPA) on a project designed to facilitate the remote recovery of hijacked American aircraft. "Brilliant both in concept and operation, “Home Run” [not its real code name] allowed specialist ground controllers to listen in to cockpit conversations on the target aircraft, then take absolute control of its computerized flight control system by remote means. "From that point onwards, regardless of the wishes of the hijackers or flight deck crew, the hijacked aircraft could be recovered and landed automatically at an airport of choice, with no more difficulty than flying a radio-controlled model plane. The engineers had no idea that almost thirty years after its initial design, Home Run’s top secret computer codes would be broken... "When the multinationals and DARPA finally came on the scene in the mid-seventies, aircraft systems were even more advanced, with computers controlling onboard autopilots, which in turn were capable of controlling all of the onboard hydraulics. In combination these multiple different functions were now known as the “Flight Control System” or FCS... "In order to make Home Run truly effective, it had to be completely integrated with all onboard systems, and this could only be accomplished with a new aircraft design, several of which were on the drawing boards at that time. Under cover of extreme secrecy, the multinationals and DARPA went ahead on this basis and built “back doors” into the new computer designs. "There were two very obvious hard requirements at this stage, the first a primary control channel for use in taking over the flight control system and flying the aircraft back to an airfield of choice, and secondly a covert audio channel for monitoring flight deck conversations. Once the primary channel was activated, all aircraft functions came under direct ground control, permanently removing the hijackers and pilots from the control loop. "Remember here, this was not a system designed to “undermine” the authority of the flight crews, but was put in place as a “doomsday” device in the event the hijackers started to shoot passengers or crew members, possibly including the pilots. ..." http://www.geocities.com/mknemesis/homerun.html Once SomeOne, ANYONE, has access to the codes, all bets are off whether any particular flight will make it to it's destination. * *** ******* |
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