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Old 11-10-2008, 07:37 AM   #26
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I actually think this housecleaning is a great idea as I tend to spend more time at the Camelot part of the forums, since I really don't know what I can offer Avalon in terms of ground crew organization, etc.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:57 AM   #27
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Thank you Carol for your initiative. I support 100% this much needed clean-up.
I did not want to suggest something like this myself as the peoples not following the guideline would have flame me but I was hoping it would happen. The forum is infested with a few members, who are actively posting and always it has nothing to do with the safe places, preparation and communities. For them Avalon is just a cool place to hang out. Well like you said, there are many others cool places to hang out. Here Avalon have a purpose and let's defend it so it fulfill it's purpose. Move things as you wish, ban those who make the users waste their time. Hopefully they will learn something.
Stick to the guideline, I love & support this project, the mods, the administration. Do as you feel is for the benefit of the silent majority who seeks help, advices, food for toughs and positives actions and models.

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Old 11-10-2008, 10:38 AM   #28
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CLEAN UP IS FINE

just don`t throw away all the INFO.
best would be to sort things out.
throw away the "flaming" and keep "information".

the "HEADS UP!!!" thread (started by Wes White Wolf) had lots of flaming and lots of information..
i would like to see the information again..

your cleanup came without correct forewarning.

the welcome notice is quite old. it still mentions miriam delicado but doesn`t show any cleanup date.

otherwise i would have downloaded the information i thought important with the help of some webstripper onto my harddrive before you started "spring cleaning". (probably would have downloaded the whole site anyway... for all the good info it had)

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Old 11-10-2008, 11:19 AM   #29
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this can`t be it...

information which could be vital for "ground crews" is still gone...
downloading the site would have been good for offline reading in the first place and also would have enabled a retroactive sorting out of the info for those who plan to eventually have ground crews that are well informed/prepared.

the stuff to be "dumped" should be kept accessible on some sort of "project avalon forum junk yard"

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Old 11-10-2008, 01:16 PM   #30
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is the cleanup over?
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Old 11-10-2008, 01:38 PM   #31
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Hi CapreyCorn,

For now the clean up is over.
Carol is in charge of that.

All info is in review and nothing is lost.
It is a hell of a job to clean threads and keep the good Info intact and make it available once more.

I hope we get to do that asap.

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Old 11-10-2008, 01:48 PM   #32
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Thank you Carol for your initiative. I support 100% this much needed clean-up........

........... Move things as you wish, ban those who make the users waste their time. Hopefully they will learn something.
Stick to the guideline, I love & support this project, the mods, the administration. Do as you feel is for the benefit of the silent majority who seeks help, advices, food for thoughts and positives actions and models.

Cheers!

LaRosa, I agree.

I don't think I saw "food for thoughts" listed in the Avalon 'brief'. That troubles me slightly.

Also, IMO the "NEW POSTS" button is as much a curse as a blessing for this forum. It's a valuable tool that I wouldn't want to remove but it has a strong propensity to obliterate all distinctions between forums and threads. Although, officially, this is Project Camelot and Project Avalon, it is effectively "Project NEW POSTS" and has manifested as such.

I'd like to suggest that, if it is possible, there be multiple 'new posts' buttons.

The idea of a fixed charter for this project gives me negative vibrations. I fully appreciate the current initiative to clean this place up and in a week or so we will know better what that looks like. Hard research is in the charter. It should be. Hard analysis is not in the charter. It's a grey area. Many people here probably don't even believe in analysis but are willing to be subjective in their own terms never the less. It's a conundrum and is very difficult to manage as a large disparate 'community' without having pillow fights breaking out.

If I'm not first banned, the one thing above all else that will decide whether I stay active here or not, will be whether or not I feel safe here. Mary Lou's outburst gave me a paranoid view of this forum for a few hours but what will really drive me away, should it happen, will be an intellectual "Mission Accomplished" speech from the flight deck of this great ship.

* ( I know Avalon doesn't really have a charter. I just borrowed the term to clarify my thinking. )



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Old 11-10-2008, 02:57 PM   #33
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Hi CapreyCorn,

For now the clean up is over.
Carol is in charge of that.

All info is in review and nothing is lost.
It is a hell of a job to clean threads and keep the good Info intact and make it available once more.

I hope we get to do that asap.

Jenny
thank you for the feedback.

seems that most is back. still haven`t found the info i was looking for in the "HEADS UP!!!......." thread by "Wes_Whitewolf" (couldn`t find the thread)
..I`ll keep looking later again..

thanks again & cheers
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Old 11-10-2008, 04:24 PM   #34
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Aloha,

Our researchers have stepped into help sort the threads that need cleaning up and where they will be going. The mods will then clear out the negative content, leaving the info and sort the threads into their appropriate sub forums.

There were approximate 512 threads that were moved yesterday. It is no wonder that Avalon was dragging down to a slow halt.

As to Mary Lou, her information was incorrect with some respects. The HD info had been out in the open for months. She just found out about it and acted on her own without consulting any of us. If she had taken the time to talk to us we could have prevented the fallout.

As to the whole notion of psychic attacks.. all of the symptoms these folks had could have easily been the result of EMF (electro magnetic frequency) exposure from spending way too many hours in front of the computer and being bone tired. Some mods put in 20-hour days here. What does that tell you? They were covering and pouring their hearts out to keep this place going. Meanwhile, that type of dedication resulted in extreme fatigue.

Most folks realize that fatigue can play tricks with the mind and also lends itself to paranoia. This appears to be what happened. We had good people who were just way overworked keeping this forum opened and protecting it from spammers.

Hopefully a lesson has been learned from all of this. We have new mods coming on today and will be having more of the members joining us as mods later this week.

I want to thank everyone for their support while we get these threads sorted out for you. Just remember... when they are put back you can find them if you posted on the thread, or you remember who posted on the thread, by going to the statistics area in the bio pages of the members and clicking. It will show all posts and threads started by that member, or yourself, and you can direct link into the thread you're interested in from there.

For further understanding and clarification, below is the point system used by the mods for infractions. Our software system has been set up to automatically suspend someone once they reach the alloted points for a suspension. As this was just set up yesterday.. there may still be a software glitch or two also needing sorting out. Please be patient with us while we work on this and feel free to contact us if you notice something not right with it as well. I just want to add that usually someone has to have 3 infractions before being suspended. Suspensions can range from 24 hours onward depending upon what the infraction is for. Personally, I don't yet understand this new software program so until it's sorted out at this end there will likely be some problems with this for a few days. Thank you again for your patience.


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Inappropriate Language 1 10 Day(s)
Signature Rule Violation 1 10 Day(s)
Spammed Advertisements 1 10 Day(s)
Insulted Other Member(s) 2 30 Day(s)
Spreading Negativity 3 30 Day(s)
Pornography 100 Never

See here for further clarification http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...3&postcount=60
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Old 11-10-2008, 04:31 PM   #35
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Additional;

The infractionpoints given are in the end a mod decision.

Suspensions and how long a suspension is given is ultimately a mod decision.

The software vBulletin gives us a guideline which we use.
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Old 11-10-2008, 05:49 PM   #36
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Thank you, Thank you!!!
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Old 11-10-2008, 06:54 PM   #37
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i feel some positive rise here now....
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:24 PM   #38
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Aloha, ...

I just want to add that usually someone has to have 3 infractions before being suspended. Suspensions can range from 24 hours onward depending upon what the infraction is for. Personally, I don't yet understand this new software program so until it's sorted out at this end there will likely be some problems with this for a few days. Thank you again for your patience.


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Inappropriate Language 1 10 Day(s)
Signature Rule Violation 1 10 Day(s)
Spammed Advertisements 1 10 Day(s)
Insulted Other Member(s) 2 30 Day(s)
Spreading Negativity 3 30 Day(s)
Pornography 100 Never
So "spreading negativity" will result in an instant (minimum) 30 day ban!? On Avalon!!!?? The home of the coming apocalypse!!??

You just couldn't make this stuff up! Doesn't anyone else spot the contradiction? Or has everyone been so terrified by the shock and awe tactics that you daren't say anything any more?

Edit: I agree with the cleanup, it certainly needs it, but talk about overkill.
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Old 11-10-2008, 07:28 PM   #39
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Additional;

The infractionpoints given are in the end a mod decision.

Suspensions and how long a suspension is given is ultimately a mod decision.

The software vBulletin gives us a guideline which we use.
As guideline.


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Moderators can change the amount of time, days or months, whatever.

It is a guideline Sunrunner, to be adjusted as we see fit and agree upon.
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:00 PM   #40
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Very good Carol.

You have got my support 100% in what you are doing.

And those who are playing the 'hitler' card are some of those who are obviously trying to cause friction. Such statements as "Ohh a ban.. scary, you know what that means" or "Ohh look at all the restrictions" are hallmarks of those who are trying to cause trouble and this kind of thing should not be tolerated.

A forum such as this needs to be controled to a very large extent. And the reason being is that it is far too easy for negativly orientated people to divert its course under the guise of 'free speach'

I have full trust in the owners and the moderators of this forum to control it in a just fair manner. We are not at the point where such things can be run freely by the people just yet for the obvious reason of sabeutars but we could not have better moderators to do this job.

Good call Carol, Take no ***** and dont be discouraged by the people who are branding the forum owners the same as our own political leaders because i know in my heart and soul that if the intention is good then the result will follow.
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:00 PM   #41
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Who decides what is a disparaging or negative post? Negative as compared to what?

I disagree with a fair few of the views on various threads, does that make me negative?
gulp think im in trouble lol.. ive prob offended.. i agree tho avalon needs to get back on track.. to the pure reason for its start up
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:04 PM   #42
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So "spreading negativity" will result in an instant (minimum) 30 day ban!? On Avalon!!!?? The home of the coming apocalypse!!??

You just couldn't make this stuff up! Doesn't anyone else spot the contradiction? Or has everyone been so terrified by the shock and awe tactics that you daren't say anything any more?

Edit: I agree with the cleanup, it certainly needs it, but talk about overkill.
may i ask if you think nothing is coming why ARE YOU HERE???
any threads that deal with topics that are to your distaste can easily be avoided.. i hardly look in the spirituality section, that is my choice. i agree with the tightening up of the ship so to speak
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Old 11-10-2008, 08:18 PM   #43
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On Avalon!!!?? The home of the coming apocalypse!!??

JUST SINCE "apocalypse" was brought up...

Apocalypse is defined as "revelation" (Greek: ποκάλυψις -translit. Apokalypsis), literally it means "the lifting of the veil". This is a term applied to the disclosure to certain privileged persons of something hidden from the mass of humankind.
- Neil Kramer, 2012 Rebooting the Planet

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Old 11-10-2008, 10:54 PM   #44
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Go for it, it's about time

Ring out the old, ring in the new

p.s. try a Q-link for computer fatigue, seems to work!
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Old 11-10-2008, 11:27 PM   #45
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You are doing the right thing here! Keep focusing on the vision and mission of the forum and lose the rest. Perhaps there will be time and opportunity for real ground crew to get to work here once the noisemakers go find other sites.
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Old 11-10-2008, 11:54 PM   #46
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Woohoo

Now I look less of a bitch for telling folk they shouldnt post here
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Old 11-11-2008, 12:55 AM   #47
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So "spreading negativity" will result in an instant (minimum) 30 day ban!? On Avalon!!!?? The home of the coming apocalypse!!??
Well, I think the point is although the outlook of the subject matter may be negative - e.g. "banks close for a week starting December 1, cities will grind to a halt and there may be chaos for those not prepared", I think the manner in which, an albeit dubious, fact such as this is reported or discussed can be in a positive or negative manner depending on the poster, or the poster's attitude.

I do remember one thread beginning '2 billion people are gonna die !'. I think there were more capitals than I've represented here...

If one thinks about the ultimate intention of the poster, then you can look for spreading negativity. Of course if it ends up that 90% of all material on Avalon were to be about such doom and gloom, then I think you'd be right in saying it was the forum that was encouraging negativity. I don't believe that is the owner's intention. If I thought it was, then yes...I would not be here either !

peace n love... and congratulations on your Moderatorship Sunrunner...and good luck for what seems to be a very challenging yet worthwhile role.

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Old 11-11-2008, 12:55 AM   #48
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I have just read the last six posts on this thread and I am a bit confused about the ban concerning posting negative comments. This needs to be clarified somewhat as "posting negative comments" is a bit subjective I think. Do you negative comments to another poster, negative comments about certain people, viz-a-viz whistleblowers, posting negative comments re negative news concerning reports one has found for information of forum members.

I presuming it has to do with negative comments about other posters, individual members or whistleblowers but clarification might be prudent.
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Old 11-11-2008, 01:06 AM   #49
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I have just read the last six posts on this thread and I am a bit confused about the ban concerning posting negative comments. This needs to be clarified somewhat as "posting negative comments" is a bit subjective I think. Do you negative comments to another poster, negative comments about certain people, viz-a-viz whistleblowers, posting negative comments re negative news concerning reports one has found for information of forum members.

I presuming it has to do with negative comments about other posters, individual members or whistleblowers but clarification might be prudent.
Actually, thinking about it, I think you're more on-track Tuza. No one could be blamed for posting about something negative, even if they felt negative about it (that's not exactly fair). But spreading a feeling of negativity towards other posters would surely be a no-no...

Though I still think if someone just comes to avalon to spread one negative story after another, surely that's not on? Maybe it is. What do I know...I'm not a moderator! I'll leave the answer to those that know...
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Old 11-11-2008, 04:10 AM   #50
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Hey all,

Seems to me all boards tri-in nonsense from Members but the Moderators have the tuff work in being Judge & Jury to negative events and sometimes negative members beyond posts.

But seems to me what we have here are level-minded Moderators keeping this site, a rather big site, balanced.
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