Do you believe the Billy Meier Case ?

[Reuters]

Hi Fellow Avalonian's,


I was just wondering how many people here believe the Billy Meier Case >?< Cast your Vote & Posts !

[Midnight Oil]

I believe the case is for real, but it has been colored by the PTB so much that now it is unbelivable for the first time researcher.

[Anticomuna]

I want to believe just like the next guy. But there are many strange things about it. First, why do the aliens communicate only with Billy himself? They shouldn't go around talking with everybody, but at least with the members of the group he has formed they should.

This story wouldn't be controversial if the ETs just showed up for the press and let them know that Billy is legitimate. Why don't they do it?

I don't see why we should "believe" in something like that. Either you know or you don't.

Billy Meier provided more evidence than any other contactee, so if he is false then all others are likely to be even more false. But I just can't accept all the secrecy and self-aggrandizement around it.

I was wondering if Billy's ETs were really Nazis pretending to be ETs.

[Sarahmay]

He's got pictures and videos of the crafts. They are extremely high quality, and a farmer in Switzerland would not have the technology in the 1970's to fake them.

But, I don't believe Meier's predictions that were given to him by the Plejarans...they just don't ring true.

So, I believe the pictures are real, but some of the info provided is suspect.

[utopiated]

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Belief is the wrong term!

You cannot look at the B.E.A.M. case on a true/false basis as old-time U-Fool-Ogy likes to do.

It's the ultimate UFO case in my opinion - it takes months of research to get what's going on not just 5 mins online looking at pretty UFO images and laser guns.

The Meier case contains the prime example of layered, covert and prank-Star[sic] like disinformation and most of all PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY. These layers have been added by both the human-like ETs and the intelligence agencies.

Anyone who spends time on the case will see how the various agencies [acting from London in the 70s/80s] were far more scared of this case than the likes of Roswell because it was pretty hard to penetrate and due to the quality of the images and video.

Also you can tell the case has merit - The Paracast boys and pseudo "image ANALyst" Jeff Ritzman have been trying to debunk the case for over a year and failed dismally. They now try to not bring it up at all - how can a hoax generate so much tension for 2 decades??

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[RaKaR]

Quoting Member Utopiated:
"It's the ultimate UFO case in my opinion - it takes months of research to get what's going on not just 5 mins online looking at pretty UFO images and laser guns."

Indeed, it would take several Life Times to explore the Depth and the Extent of the Information being provided by Mr Meier.
I also think that it would be fair to say that only a Person armed with Open Mind and Reason could get to the Bottom of the so-called 'Meier Case'.

I, for one, am rationality and definitely convinced it is the Big One.


Knowledge and Wisdom.

RaKaR
www.futureofmankind.co.uk

[J_rod7]

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The 'Case' of the Billy Eduard Albert Meier Contacts IS Incontrovertibly Genuine, the most well Documented, and Studied of all Known.

Other 'Cases' which are also Genuine, such as the Crashes at Roswell, N.M., the Betty and Barney Hill Contact in N.H., and a small handful of Others, Pale in comparison. They have produced nowhere NEAR the Evidence, the HUGE Volumes of InterActive Discussions between Billy and the ETs - of which Billy has produced Copious recorded Notes. The Spiritual Teachings given to Us from the Pleiades (Who call themselves Plejarens), Will Literally take a LifeTime to Learn.

Do You Wonder WHY the Black-Ops People of so Many Governments have tried EVERY Dis-Information Trick in the Book, attempting to cast Doubt on this Case? It is Precisely because those same governments and their Agents KNOW the Billy Meier 'Case' IS TRUE, REAL, and GENUINE CONTACT

To Examine for Yourself, click onto the website at:
http://www.theyfly.com/

There, You will find an ABUNDANCE of Contact Notes, Bulletins, Spiritual Teachings of Creation, and much More. As was said by Member RaKaR, it will a LOT more than 5-Minutes to properly Assimilate the Knowledge You will find at this Site. Also, for those who want to dig even Deeper, There is a Good Selection of Books and DVDs available for sale from the same Site. I Highly recommend the DVD titled: The Silent Revolution of Truth.

Happy Sailing

In Peace
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[efields]

As one who spent time reading the large format Gennisis Books and having read the The Ten Bids and much of his material.. This has to be the mother of all UFO cases. I think 90% of the info is spot on. Some of the info Billy might have colored. or he may have been suplied erroneous info from his contacts..WHATEVER, WHEN YOU READ THE SCALE OF THE INFO, AS WITH THE LAW OF ONE, YOU GET A HIT THAT THIS IS NOT MADE UP BOLDERDASH but most definitely off world information IMHO. And my God those Photos...

[franciejones]

I have watched many of his interviews
Bought the DVD
What threw me was when he said that the aliens have 4 wives.....sounds like people to me. If they were advanced and so concerned about population control why in the world would they need 4 wives? Plus the pictures of those "ray guns" were just ridiculous. lol
He could be telling the truth, but if so, I am certain some of his own "spin" or additions to the truth were thrown in the mix. Just my opinion of course though.

[Joseph]

Originally Posted by efields

As one who spent time reading the large format Gennisis Books and having read the The Ten Bids and much of his material.. This has to be the mother of all UFO cases. I think 90% of the info is spot on. Some of the info Billy might have colored. or he may have been suplied erroneous info from his contacts..WHATEVER, WHEN YOU READ THE SCALE OF THE INFO, AS WITH THE LAW OF ONE, YOU GET A HIT THAT THIS IS NOT MADE UP BOLDERDASH but most definitely off world information IMHO. And my God those Photos...

This is also how I feel but I believe that the "cult" that has sprung up around Billy has in many instances been responsible for the muddying of the waters in this case.

[NXS]

It is my belief that the Billy Meier case, is indeed, very true. That being said, I do believe there is quite a bit of dis/mis-information surrounding the details, as is with any valid extra-terrestrial claim.... but at the heart of the story, the facts remain.... and that's all that matters.

[trainedobserver]

He has some remarkable photographs. However, the "wedding cake" photo is an apparent fake. There are a couple of good write-ups on the problems with that picture that can't be ignored. Sadly ... the "wedding cake UFO" is a real problem.

Lets stay real, all his videos are faked, he made those "ET crafts", they are attached to a string. Just observe how the wind make it move laterally

Watch those videos and tell me you still think it's not fake :

http://www.steelmarkonline.com/video_and_8mm.htm

cheers

[trainedobserver]

Originally Posted by astronaute

Lets stay real, all his videos are faked, he made those "ET crafts", they are attached to a string. Just observe how the wind make it move laterally

Watch those videos and tell me you still think it's not fake :

http://www.steelmarkonline.com/video_and_8mm.htm

cheers

I agree, the motion of the craft says "Suspended from a string." Much like the motion of all "UFO Fleet" videos which tell us they are "balloons".

[Bodhran]

Originally Posted by trainedobserver

I agree, the motion of the craft says "Suspended from a string." Much like the motion of all "UFO Fleet" videos which tell us they are "balloons".

I see, and in one of the videos how does he blow over the top of the tree when the ufo passes over it, with some giant invisible hairdryer I presume....
The main detractors of the photos and videos arguements are "well that dosent look like the way a ufo should fly" or that space weapon looks like a toy", or even better "thats a ridiculous looking ufo". What extraterrestrial UFO or weapon currently in our possession are we comparing this to?
The fact of the matter is that no one and I do mean no one has recreated Meiers photo's and movies under the same circumstances that they were taken 30 years ago and they have had 30 years to try. The public has been misinformed from a very early time on the meier case largely due to tampering with evidence and fabricated nonsence coming from the likes of Kal Korff and others. Korff is a confirmed nutcase (google kal korff is an idiot for details) but did great damage to Meiers credibility through his book debunking the case which was written with malicious intent in the first place. There are questionable parts of the case but none of it is more fantastic than the fact that anything occurred in the first place. I for one believe that ET contact or not the message he has been trying to get out to the public for so long is the most important one ever given to humanity. Don't believe the **** put out by anyone read it for yourself then decide. Plenty of websites out there on it, the figu usa site is great (http://us.figu.org), thefutureofmankind.co.uk is good so is michael horns (theyfly.com) site.
I'm glad to see the majority of the posts so far are at least open minded.

Happy reading.

[Arcana]

I believe that Billy Meier has been infiltrated by people or beings who have their own agenda. I am sorry but whenever I hear about "Population Control" I think about Iron Mountain, Agenda 21 and the Georgia Guidestones and they all say that we need to reduce the worlds population by up to 80%.
Please be aware to anyone reading this that this includes YOU and YOUR loved ones too!


Do I believe Billy Meier? I believe that he believes. I feel that certain beings are using him and playing on his ego. I know about his prophesies and some have come true. Maybe, people in the know gave him these prophesies. Who knew where the world was heading as they were in control of it.
However, anyone who claims they are the only one to be contacted as Billy has claimed stinks of arrogance.
I believe that a large number of people who claim that they have been contacted are telling the truth.
We ALL have at least ONE piece of a Massive Jigsaw puzzle. We just need to come together and put the pieces in the right place. So that between us we can get a clearer picture.

[Luminari]

Get 24 hours of The Contact Notes read by Randolf Winters here:

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/2...es?tab=summary

Then make up your mind.

[371]

Originally Posted by Luminari

Get 24 hours of The Contact Notes read by Randolf Winters here:

http://isohunt.com/torrent_details/2...es?tab=summary

Then make up your mind.

Yeah that's the thing about this case that gets me.

MANY of the photos and video are suspect. Many of the craft depicted, including the 'wedding cake' and 'i want to believe' craft are bent. They are lower on one side than the other.

Maybe a one armed man would have a little bit of a hard time getting it straight by hand?

But the contact notes- I've listened to them, all 26 hours. I gotta say, either its just all a ongoing science fiction story, he's insane, or it's true. I tend to think it's a little bit of each.

IMO, I think the biggest dilution of the case came when his 'cult' or whatever you want to call it- 'group' came about. He became their spiritual leader and was forced to fill in the gaps of what he knew with what he thought. Then the followers make a whole belief system of of it. And as time goes on he is forced to make up more stuff to keep the followers satistied- "Ufo disease".

[Magamud]

Howdy,
I got a response from Michael Horn to post this response to the allegations that he provided false information to the Meier case.

Hi Eric,

Feel free to share and post the response below. And I ask you, and all interested parties, to let rense. com know that YOU have seen this response, the one they have so far failed to post. Through a little pressure for truth-telling people can have ALL the information necessary to make up their own minds:


To Rense. com and all concerned,

Regarding the claims in the PR posted here by Derek Bartholomaus and IIG that I "admitted to posting these false and misleading articles on his website in order to try and support the claims of Billy Meier," nothing could be further from the truth.

The actual, true facts of the matter are easily established, as they exist in an email record between Bartholomaus/IIG and me, which I'm glad to share. I should add that I had offered Mr. Bartholomaus numerous opportunities to gracefully retreat from his own erroneous - and unbelievably incompetent - claims against the Meier case and me. The actual history of CFI-West/IIG's failed attempts to debunk the Meier case go back almost eight years (see: http://theyfly. com/newsflash5/tree. htm)

To begin, Bartholomaus is apparently still smarting from several things, including his having to retract his foundational argument, as presented in The Silent Revolution of Truth (www. theyfly. com), that Meier used model trees and model UFOs to "hoax" his photo and film evidence. Here is the article:

http://theyfly. com/newsflash91/Top_Skeptic_Fixed. htm

Likewise, he was further humiliated that his attempts to get Uncharted Territory, the Academy Award-winning special effects company (Independence Day) to say that Meier used models as well. Unfortunately for Bartholomaus, UC's response included this death blow to his desperate efforts to salvage some credibility for himself:

""But, to reflect on the statement that's in the film, I also remember seeing a shot on the Super8 reel that showed a UFO circling around a fairly tall tree. According to that shot, we said that we can't conclusively say whether it's real or not, but it seemed impossible to stage that kind of a shot with a miniature (it would have to be hanging on a very tall crane, with wires - but even then the movements would be hard to achieve.) So, yes, in regards to that shot, we mentioned that we could definitely do it today with CG, but at the time these were supposedly shot - it would have been very hard, probably even impossible, to fake this kind of shot." (See: http://www. theyfly. com/photos/photos. htm#movie)"
(See: http://theyfly. com/newsflash92/Academy_%20Award_Fx. htm)

Further evidence of Meier's authenticity and scientifically accurate information, published decades in advance of "official" discovery (http://theyfly. com/newsflash94/UFO_Skeptics_Throw_in_the_Towel. htm) was obviously also too much for Bartholomaus - he complained to PRWeb that the article was somehow unfair to him and his organization, causing it to be withdrawn from their site...but not mine. (I guess I should have thanked Bartholomaus, as PRWeb gave me a free release in its place.)

Pertaining to the claims in the IIG PR, when one goes to the page where Bartholomaus/IIG claim my email indicts me for posting "false, misleading, or fraudulent articles" one sees that Bartholomaus deliberately deleted the entire body of the email, as:

"Hi Derek,

Yes, thanks for taking the hook on that one too! Of course that's where you found it but...don't you remember my suggesting - several times - that you view the videotape of Vogel's analysis or that you read it in the Investigation Report, along with info about the other parties that also analyzed the metal? Hmmmm?

We left that one there but put the correct info, for all the world to see at http://theyfly. com/PDF/Scientific%20Experts. PDF where it's been for several years...including since when you agreed to do the interview.

And do note that I pointed you towards all of the material in the investigation, at least 1,300 pages, many, many times. But instead of actually investigating you copied and based your bravdo-cloaked presentation on only what I'd written in that one version of the information.

Now, since the actual video and written record of what Vogel actually did say has been widely available, just how brilliant are you, having done no real homework? This was also evident in your, now retracted, inane comments about "same trees equals model trees". It's also evident in your refusal to support your claims about a model in the film.

So, now when I put you on the hot seat, you go back to my site to find out where you picked up the incorrect info but, naturally, neglect to notice the right one. Now how on earth could I have known that you were just a pseudo-investigator and that you'd not do your own due diligence, that you wouldn't go to the source material itself?

Hey, could I be...psychic?

Surprised?

MH
www. theyfly. com"

Further, in a personal meeting at a social event on October 11, 2008, Bartholomaus made six additional, specific, inaccurate claims against the Meier case...which I responded to the next day, with corrections, and concluded my email to him with:

"Respectfully, since the information you stated to me last night was inaccurate, as I demonstrate above, don't you also think that it's reasonable to request that you demonstrate the accuracy of your theories, some of which you may have also based on inaccuracies or misinterpretations of the facts?

I really and truly would like us to elevate this discussion, this search for truth, as it appears that Kal Korff and I may be able to also do (miracle of miracles). The truth will produce no losers in this matter, whatever it turns out to be."

Now, obviously these poor fellows are rather clueless, completely incapable of either admitting their errors or accepting some genuine good will in terms of searching for the truth. I have extended a friendly hand to them on a number of occasions but they seem quite determined to plunge ahead, with the highly inept Bartholomaus leading their already demolished charge. Of course, as far as helping further the exposure of the Meier case, Bartholomaus in his blundering is truly the gift that keeps on giving.

Obviously, I am more than willing to provide abundant documentation of the complete and unedited correspondence between me and Bartholomaus/IIG to anyone who's interested.

It should be obvious to any rational, logical, thinking person that the Meier UFO case, ongoing for over 66 years, is authentic. But the know-it-alls and skeptics have already made their minds up and have no interest in being inconvenienced by a nasty little thing called...the truth.

The real question here, however, is if this response sees the light of day on rense. com, which has consistently refused to post any positive Meier-related material for some time, or simply among the people to whom I send it.

As I say in the PR that caused such discomfort for Bartholomaus and IIG, "The fact is that while being exposed to the truth can be quite devastating for some people…it doesn't change the truth."

Michael Horn
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
www. theyfly. com
Producer/Writer
The Silent Revolution of Truth
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MH

[lennonmccartney]

I truly believe he has been in in contact physically..etc but I question whether he really continues to be in contact, and if he has changed many things they have told him and put his version of it.I have read much of talmud of immanuel which was quite interesting but some things I'm very skeptical about.The extraterrestrial information i believe and have received differs in many things with billys claims.

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by 371

Yeah that's the thing about this case that gets me.

MANY of the photos and video are suspect. Many of the craft depicted, including the 'wedding cake' and 'i want to believe' craft are bent. They are lower on one side than the other.

Maybe a one armed man would have a little bit of a hard time getting it straight by hand?

Show me a link to one single photo from Billy Meier where one side of the craft is lower than the other!

Its interesting you have chosen David Duchovny as your avatar.. you must resonate with his ignorance and skepticism.. he has publicly said he doesnt believe in UFO's. If the man had done 5 minutes of honest research or had any spiritual integrity whatsoever he would support the truth.. but chooses greed and debauchery instead and upholding the morally corrupt status quo.

A dispicable human being in my view.

[371]

Originally Posted by Luminari

Show me a link to one single photo from Billy Meier where one side of the craft is lower than the other!

Its interesting you have chosen David Duchovny as your avatar.. you must resonate with his ignorance and skepticism.. he has publicly said he doesnt believe in UFO's. If the man had done 5 minutes of honest research or had any spiritual integrity whatsoever he would support the truth.. but chooses greed and debauchery instead and upholding the morally corrupt status quo.

A dispicable human being in my view.

Hey relax guy!

Just look at the famous 'i want to believe' pic, someone on here has it as their avatar. Some of the other pics appear to have a little bit of a bend in them too, some more than others depending on the angle.

But it doesn't really matter. It looks like you've made your mind up and that's fine- I've already stated my opinion in previous a previous post (not the last one).

Everyone's gotta come to their own conclusion- and yours is as good as mine though we disagree.

I'm not busting balls, just take a breath...

[Luminari]

Originally Posted by 371

Hey relax guy!

Just look at the famous 'i want to believe' pic, someone on here has it as their avatar. Some of the other pics appear to have a little bit of a bend in them too, some more than others depending on the angle.

But it doesn't really matter. It looks like you've made your mind up and that's fine- I've already stated my opinion in previous a previous post (not the last one).

Everyone's gotta come to their own conclusion- and yours is as good as mine though we disagree.

I'm not busting balls, just take a breath...

Ok I guess I am maybe too 'passionate' about this topic

I don't like personally upsetting anyone. But you were attacking a one armed man of great intelligence and value who is worthy alot more respect than what I am seeing reflected by alot of the people here.

The 'I want to believe' TV culture UFO image you are referring to has absolutely nothing to do with the Meier case.. it is not/was not/will never be an authentic picture of a Plejaren beamship and is a fake image altogether.

Yes I too have seen allegedly real UFO pics that have the properties/dimensions where one side is 'bent'. But not any in relation to this thread about the Meier case which I have investigated extensively for years.

[KathyT]

It took me some time to listen to the 12 part series by Randy Winters onYou Tube (Randy talked to Billy in 1986) titled “The Pleiadian Mission - Billy Meier UFO Case “, and the 10 part movie documentary that were filmed in 1978 titled “Contact: Extraterrestrial Experiences of Billy Meier”. I even took the time to listen to the Kal Korff opposing story to give myself both sides of the story.

I have since found this site which has done some excellent analysis of debunking the Meier photos:
http://thebiggestsecret.online.fr/uf...moking_gun.htm

The core of the message is we are all responsible for our selfs in thoughts and actions and as well as the earth and everything in it. So start caring more and take more responsibility in all you do.