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Old 02-01-2010, 08:17 AM   #1
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Some personal insight:

Jesus the Son of Man merged with Christ Consciousness (The Son of God) at the river Jordan after his baptism from his cousin John. He came to show us the way the truth and the light. He came to show that we could do all that he did and more by following the will of God the Father. He came to show that what we do to others is reflected back at us, that the world outside of us is a mirror of the world inside of us. That we should seek first the kingdom of heaven and all other things will be given to us. That the kingdom of heaven can not be found anywhere outside of us but dwells inside of us. When he died on the cross he left the gift of the Holy Spirit to Humanity, the great councillor within. By considering our choices in life by consulting the Holy Spirit that dwells in our hearts we can make the right choices and follow the will of God. When we have the Kingdom of Heaven in our hearts then indeed the Kingdom of Heaven will be on earth. We can find the Kingdom of Heaven within by being still and one with God. Take time every day to listen to what God is speaking to us through our hearts and the Holy Spirit. Yes we should ask and it will be given. Yes if we seek we will find and the door will be opened. Meditation is as valuable in our daily lives as Prayer.

Hymn singing is a valuable form of meditation. The patterns of breathing that it brings allow us to open our heart and mind to the Holy Spirit. We also need to take it further every day and have one on one with the divine councillor through private meditation. This is how we learn to think with our heart and feel with our mind. We can’t truly bring the Kingdom of Heaven to earth without first immersing our body, heart and soul in the Holy Spirit. Now is the time, more than ever before, that we can walk the walk and talk the talk.

Perhaps the veil is being lifted

take a look at this:
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In December 1945 an Arab peasant made an astonishing archeological discovery
in Upper Egypt. Rumors obscured the circumstances of this find--perhaps
because the discovery was accidental, and its sale on the black market illegal. For
years even the identity of the discoverer remained unknown. One rumor held that
he was a blood avenger; another, that he had made the find near the town of Naj
'Hammádì at the Jabal al-Tárif, a mountain honeycombed with more than 150
caves. Originally natural, some of these caves were cut and painted and used as
grave sites as early as the sixth dynasty, some 4,300 years ago.

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http://www.religionandpluralism.org/...ustoChrist.pdf
From my heart to yours

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Old 02-01-2010, 03:37 PM   #2
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Truly inspired insight. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 02-01-2010, 05:44 PM   #3
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Thankyou sunflower.

This morning I received the following via email from a random source. i.e. it could have been junk mail.

La sabiduría de la Cabalá no tiene nada que ver con la religión. La Cabalá no es una religión.

La Cabalá es una ciencia que trata sobre el reino escondido a nuestros cinco sentidos. Sólo opera con las nociones espirituales, con cosas que pasan más allá de nuestra percepción, en el Mundo Superior.

La Cabalá trata la pregunta sobre el propósito de la vida. Hombres muy jóvenes se hacen esta pregunta, pero luego la olvidan por el resto de sus vidas.

La respuesta sólo puede encontrarse en una fuente - la Sabiduría de la Cabalá - que sólo estuvo disponible a algunos escogidos a lo largo de los siglos. Las generaciones fueron y vinieron pero sólo los representantes de las últimas generaciones pueden recibir la contestación a la pregunta más importante.

La ciencia de la Cabalá no habla acerca de nuestro mundo, y por lo tanto, su esencia escapa al entendimiento de la gente. Es imposible comprender lo invisible, lo imperceptible y todo aquello que no se ha experimentado.

Esta sabiduría es una secuencia de raíces, las cuales penden por la causa y efecto en reglas fijas y determinadas, entrelazándose en un único y elevado fin que se describe como "la revelación de Su Divinidad a Sus criaturas en este mundo".

Existe una fuerza superior o Creador, desde ésta hay fuerzas gobernantes que bajan a nuestro mundo. No tenemos conocimiento de la cantidad de fuerzas que hay, pero de hecho, esto no tiene importancia. Nosotros existimos en este nuestro mundo. Somos creados por cierta fuerza superior a la que llamamos "el Creador". Estamos familiarizados con las diversas fuerzas en nuestro mundo, tales como la gravedad, el electromagnetismo y el poder del pensamiento. Sin embargo, tenemos fuerzas de mayor magnitud que actúan, aunque permanezcan ocultas de nosotros.
A la fuerza suprema, absoluta, la llamamos "el Creador". El Creador es la suma de todas las fuerzas en este mundo y el nivel más elevado en la línea de las fuerzas gobernantes.

La ciencia de la Cabalá no estudia nuestro mundo ni a los seres vivos en él, como lo hacen las ciencias tradicionales. La Cabalá investiga todo lo que existe arriba del Majsom(barrera).

La ciencia de la Cabalá es única en el sentido de que habla sobre tú y yo, sobre todos nosotros. No trata de nada abstracto, únicamente nos ensea la forma en que fuimos creados y cómo funcionamos en niveles más elevados de existencia.

El individuo no podrá abandonar este mundo hasta que revele totalmente esta fuerza, hasta que conozca todos los mundos por los que tiene que ascender, obedeciendo las mismas leyes de las fuerzas descendentes, y hasta que logre llegar al mundo del Infinito. Qué quiere decir "no podrá abandonar"? La persona va a renacer continuamente en nuestro mundo, evolucionando de una vida a otra hasta que logre el estado en el que surja el deseo por alcanzar la fuerza superior.

La ciencia de la Cabalá nos dice que sólo hay una razón de todo el dolor, para que nos preguntemos cuál es su significado. Podemos utilizar estas interrogantes para elevarnos de nuestro nivel de existencia terrenal, donde se encuentran escondidas las causas, hasta un nivel de existencia superior, donde la razón del sufrimiento es revelada.

La ciencia de la Cabalá nos otorga la oportunidad de descubrir que existe una fuente de vida: la Luz Superior, el Creador, y lograr la adhesión con esta fuente. Tales preguntas acerca del origen del dolor, el propósito del sufrimiento y el sentido de la vida conducen a una persona a la Cabalá.

ESTA FUERA DE LA COMPRENSIÓN HUMANA ENTENDER LA ESENCIA DE CUALIDADES ESPIRITUALES COMO EL ALTRUISMO Y EL AMOR TOTAL. ESTO ES ASI POR LA SENCILLA RAZÓN QUE LOS SERES HUMANOS NO PUEDEN DISCERNIR CÓMO ES QUE EXISTEN TALES SENTIMIENTOS. PARECIERA QUE CADA UNO NECESITA UN INCENTIVO PARA REALIZAR CUALQUIER ACTO; SIN ALGUNA FORMA DE BENEFICIO PERSONAL, LA GENTE NO ESTÁ PREPARADA PARA HACER UN GRAN ESFUERZO. POR ESO ES QUE UNA CUALIDAD COMO EL ALTRUISMO PUEDE SER SOLAMENTE IMPARTIDA A NOSOTROS DESDE LO ALTO, Y SÓLO AQUELLOS QUE LA HAN EXPERIMENTADO LA PUEDEN ENTENDER.


I passed it through bable fish as I can't read Spanish. but it is in this language. here is the result:

The wisdom of the Cabalá does not have anything to do with the religion. The Cabalá is not a religion. The Cabalá is a science that tries on the kingdom hidden to our five senses. It only operates with the spiritual slight knowledge, with things that happen beyond our perception, in the World Superior. The Cabalá deals with the question on the intention the life. Very young men become this question, but they forget soon it by the rest its lives. The answer only can be in a source - the Wisdom of the Cabalá - that was only available to some selected throughout the centuries. The generations were and came but only the representatives of the last generations can receive the answer to the most important question. The science of the Cabalá does not speak about our world, and therefore, its essence escapes to the understanding of people. It is impossible to include the hair net, imperceptible and the everything what it has not been experienced. This wisdom is a sequence by roots, which hang by the cause and effect in fixed and determined rules, interlacing itself in a unique one and elevated aim that is described like " the revelation of Its Divinity to Its creatures in this mundo". A superior force exists or Creator, from this one are governing forces that lower to our world. We do not have knowledge of the amount of forces that there are, but in fact, this does not have importance. We existed in this our world. We are created by certain superior force to which we called " the Creador". We are familiarized with the diverse forces in our world, such as the gravity, the electromagnetism and the power of the thought. Nevertheless, we have forces of greater magnitude than they act, although they remain hidden of us. To the supreme force, absolute, we called " the Creador". The Creator is the sum of all the forces in this world and the elevated level more in the line of the governing forces. The science of the Cabalá does not study our world nor to the alive beings in him, since they make sciences traditional. The Cabalá investigates everything what exists above of the Majsom (barrier). The science of the Cabalá is unique in the sense that you and I speak on, on all we. It does not treat abstract, us don't mention it solely ensea the form in which we were created and how we worked in higher levels of existence. The individual will not be able to leave this world until it reveals totally this force, until it knows all the worlds by which it must ascend, obeying the same laws of the descendent forces, and until manages to arrive at the world of the Infinite. What means " will not be able abandonar"? The person is going to appear again continuously in our world, evolving from a life to another one until she obtains the state in which desire arises to reach the superior force. The science of the Cabalá says to us that only there is a reason of all the pain, so that we ask ourselves which is its meaning. We can use these questions to rise of our level of earthly existence, where they are hidden the causes, until an existence level superior, where the reason of the suffering is revealed. The science of the Cabalá grants the opportunity to us to discover that a life source exists: the Light Superior, the Creator, and to obtain the adhesion with this source. Such questions about the origin of the pain, the intention of the suffering and the sense of the life lead to a person to the Cabalá. THIS OUTSIDE THE HUMAN UNDERSTANDING TO UNDERSTAND THE ESSENCE OF SPIRITUAL QUALITIES LIKE THE ALTRUISM AND THE TOTAL LOVE. THIS IS THUS FOR THE SIMPLE REASON THAT THE HUMAN BEINGS CANNOT DISCERN HOW HE IS THAT SUCH FEELINGS EXIST. IT WOULD SEEM THAT EACH NEEDS AN INCENTIVE TO REALISE ANY ACT; WITHOUT SOME FORM OF PERSONAL BENEFIT, PEOPLE ARE NOT PREPARED TO DELIVER A GREAT ATTACK. FOR THAT REASON IT IS THAT A QUALITY LIKE THE ALTRUISM ONLY CAN BE DISTRIBUTED FROM THE STOP, AND ONLY THOSE THAT HAVE EXPERIENCED IT CAN UNDERSTAND.

This relates to the topic so I find this truely amazing. Off to researth the "The science of the Cabalá"

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Old 02-01-2010, 06:35 PM   #4
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Here we go. happy learning:

Kabbalah: A Basic Overview

Lesson 1 of 5

http://video.google.com/googleplayer...&hl=en&fs=true

What is in this lesson?
  • 3 reasons why Kabbalah is called “the hidden science.”
    1. Purposeful concealment of the science by Kabbalists themselves.
    2. Kabbalists wrote all their texts in a special language: “the language of branches.”
    3. Kabbalah studies what is hidden from our inborn perception.
  • The 11 most popular misrepresentations of Kabbalah, and why Kabbalah is not any of these:
    • Jewish Mysticism
    • Religion
    • Mysticism
    • Magic
    • That you have to be Jewish to study Kabbalah
    • That you have to had mastered preliminary wisdom before studying Kabbalah
    • Holy water
    • Amulets
    • Red strings
    • A means for protection
    • The same as Eastern teachings
  • The only requirement for studying Kabbalah is a sincere desire to discover the meaning of life.
  • Kabbalah studies how our life and our world has been created, and how to achieve connection with our life’s source, the totality of reality.
Note: When you finish this entire "Your First Course in Kabbalah" series, you can continue these video lessons at Kabbalah TV, by going to the category on the right side of the page titled "Kabbalah Revealed - Full" - and starting from #6, "The Screen."

http://www.kabbalah.info/engkab/lear...se-in-kabbalah

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I just read the Apocrypha of John. Some gnostic teaching blend in very well with some buddhist teachings.
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Excellent reading. From my knowledge, and from the knowledge that i continue to attain, I have the greater feeling that our history has been taught falsely in "mainstream" ideas to us all.


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Conflicting stories from the gods, the good god and the bad god. Or is it the other way around?
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Conflicting stories from the gods, the good god and the bad god. Or is it the other way around?
I don't see a conflict do you? Perhaps you might like to elaborate?
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I don't see a conflict do you? Perhaps you might like to elaborate?
If you read the book of truth you will see that the god in this book tells us that the god in the bible is not the god you think he is. He also tells us that what Moses has told us is not what actually took place in reality. The book of truth is told from the perspective of the serpent. So, the question is who is telling the truth, who is the good god and who is the bad god?
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If you read the book of truth you will see that the god in this book tells us that the god in the bible is not the god you think he is. He also tells us that what Moses has told us is not what actually took place in reality. The book of truth is told from the perspective of the serpent. So, the question is who is telling the truth, who is the good god and who is the bad god?
Dropping all reference to external sources, take time to stop and listen to what your heart is saying. I want to know what "You" personally think? My heart tells me that good and bad are concepts relative to our own ego. What may be bad for us may be good for another. It is a judgement we place on creation. Take the tsunami that occurred in Indonesia a few years back. 400,000 people died. For those 400,000 people and their families it was very bad. For the construction companies that had to rebuild the hotels business was booming. Should they feel bad because their gain was another’s loss? Or should we just take it that this is the path that is put before us and part of creation. Those who died suffered yes but life is about balance and their soul journeys on while their form withers on this plane. I am sure most of us alive today have suffered such loss through our soul journey.

If you take the situation of one person murdering another, the murderer will ultimately pay a karmic price through perhaps many lives of hardship and the murdered will perhaps have a life of abundance at some stage in its soul’s journey. My heart tells me this is the way the universe balances itself. In the moment these things seem bad but in the Now it is all part of the plan. The ultimate goal is to experience all aspects of creation until at some point we can look in the mirror and see ourselves resembling the creator and eventually become a creator.
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Dropping all reference to external sources
This is difficult concept, or perhaps an "impossible" concept is a more appropiate word. It is external sources that has formed our train of thought, it has become our foundation. And as you say what is good for some people is the result of bad that has happened to another. What we perceive as good and evil is a result of our foundation, but I do believe you are right and that this is our ego. Whether or not the ego manifests as benevolent or malevolent is a result of external sources. Alot of people say that they are filled with light and love, but is this just not the ego, manifested differently, but is it not still just the ego. I do not think we can escape the ego, it is always with us.
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This is difficult concept, or perhaps an "impossible" concept is a more appropiate word. It is external sources that has formed our train of thought, it has become our foundation. And as you say what is good for some people is the result of bad that has happened to another. What we perceive as good and evil is a result of our foundation, but I do believe you are right and that this is our ego. Whether or not the ego manifests as benevolent or malevolent is a result of external sources. Alot of people say that they are filled with light and love, but is this just not the ego, manifested differently, but is it not still just the ego. I do not think we can escape the ego, it is always with us.
You answered the question with your own reflection and It rings true. I agree that filling oneself with love and light and then using this to distinquish oneself from those that arn't filled with love and light is creating a distinction or a seperation from the rest of creation. We are creating a judgement that we cannot validate as we are not that which we are judging. Through respecting each individuals relationship (or lack of) with the creator as their own responsibility and not our own and the level of light shining inside us as a relationship to the degree of closeness or seperation we have with the creator then we do indeed see that we are all one in our individuality and that is what it is all about.
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You answered the question with your own reflection and It rings true.
The most difficult thing I have in accepting that the light of love within us is the answer is that it just does not feel right to be "the" answer. There is something going on with this planet, and it is at a planetary scale. Because of this intuition, this guiding, I cannot stop at having empathy for my fellow humans. It is going too take more than this to correct was has and is transpiring. This is indeed my reflection, but I am following my destiny. This is something that I can say for the first time, my destiny, not the destiny that society wants me to follow, my destiny. I am not at all certain what this destiny is, nor what it will entail, but as my gnosis increases so does my understanding. It is quite invigorating and at the same time despairing. I am not liking what I am finding out, but at the same time I...wonder.
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As I have begun to study the wisdom of kabbalah, more and more this wisdom seems to be that same wisdom inherent in the message that Jesus and his disciples attempted to deliver 2000 years ago. So much so that I searched for a link between them. I believe Jesus came to show us a true way to relate to the creator. Religion at the time sought to oppress and control. Religion at the time sought to get us to bribe the creator by doing certain things externally to "make things right". Kabbalah teaches that the Light from source is a constant. It shines equally on people who are like the creator and people who are not like the creator in their attributes. The quality of bestowal from the Creator is a constant never ending force on intention. If we want to change our relationship with the creator it is we who need to change our attitude and not the creator who changes it's attitude towards us.

http://www.articlealley.com/article_30837_51.html

What kind of religious philosophy were Jesus and his disciples studying from 29 CE � 33 CE? They couldn't have been studying Christianity because The New Testament wasn't completed until 325 CE (almost 300 years after the crucifixion). They surely weren't studying Buddhism or Hinduism, so this leaves just one possibility � they must have been studying the timeless, ancient wisdom of Jewish mysticism known as Kabbalah (which was very popular in Israel during this time).

Jesus veiled many Kabbalistic truths when he spoke to the masses (Matthew 13:34). "All these things Jesus spoke unto the multitudes in parables; and without a parable he spake not unto them" (KJV). Especially, when Jesus referred to the innermost power of the soul, he spoke in metaphors. An example of such a metaphor, is when Jesus refers to the "God-within" or illuminated soul: "The Kingdom of Heaven is within you..." (Luke 17:20-21, KJV).

He also refers to "The Father in secret": "...pray to thy Father which is in secret..." (Matthew 6:18, KJV). This is another Kabbalistic reference to the eternal spark known as "neshamah" or the God-like quality of each individual soul.

When Jesus refers to himself as the "Son of Man" (Mark 10:45, KJV), he is using a Kabbalistic phrase that was also used by Ezekiel and Daniel in The Jewish Bible, "Son of man, speak to the children of thy people" (Ezek. 33:2, JPS), "there came with the clouds of heaven one like unto a son of man" (Dan. 7:13, JPS). In Kabbalah, the term "Son of Man" describes the soul's downward refection of the original man "created" on the sixth day (Gen. 1:27, JPS). This original man is known in Kabbalah as "The Adam Kadmon" (the first and last Adam).

Paul refers to Jesus as the "the last Adam": 1 Corinthians 15:45, "The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit" (KJV). This title of A-dam Kad-mon is defined as, "the one and only (or only begotten) 'Over Soul' of all humanity." According to Kabbalah,, the first Adam breaks apart (or is crucified) into trillions of "little souls". Each descending soul becomes a "Son of Man" that is striving to reach spiritual perfection. When these trillions of souls have achieved "messianic consciousness", they will reunite to form "the last Adam". This "resurrection" of the last Adam Kadmon will come at "the end of times", or the end of the physical Universe (that gave its life for the sake of all mankind; Einstein's Big Crunch). At this final stage in matter, all souls will experience an "ascension" back to pure Spirit, or the One Divine Source.

When examining the sayings of Jesus, it becomes apparent that he was familiar with the ancient wisdom teachings of Kabbalah and the messianic power of each individual soul. His intended message came straight from the heart of Kabbalistic philosophy: "the soul enters into this Universe by immaculate conception (as spirit falls into matter), and then exits when the Universe comes to an end (as matter ascends back into spirit)."

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What kind of religious philosophy were Jesus and his disciples studying from 29 CE � 33 CE? They couldn't have been studying Christianity because The New Testament wasn't completed until 325 CE (almost 300 years after the crucifixion). They surely weren't studying Buddhism or Hinduism, so this leaves just one possibility � they must have been studying the timeless, ancient wisdom of Jewish mysticism known as Kabbalah (which was very popular in Israel during this time).

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Thank you for that data. I honestly never thought about it before. Largely because I see much of Buddha's earlier teachings in Jesus' teachings. Not all, but much. The ability for people to travel was not as limited as one might imagine.

Jesus certainly did manage to plow Rome under, over time.

Is it not true that the Vedas are the oldest spiritual guidance texts commonly known?

Are there any earlier discovered spiritual texts?
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If you read the book of truth you will see that the god in this book tells us that the god in the bible is not the god you think he is. He also tells us that what Moses has told us is not what actually took place in reality. The book of truth is told from the perspective of the serpent. So, the question is who is telling the truth, who is the good god and who is the bad god?
Would it be a higher truth to know YOU are the good and sovereign god? And so is each one of us?

My personal quest is "how did I bring myself to this condition, this state of creation/mis-creation?" My quest is to rise and contact once again my highest attitude and once again know myself as Source/No Source, even further back -- before charged thought and charged polarities.

When I was simple and right, before I perceived the apparency of a problem or a wrong? Before I created more problems and more wrongs?

I can read endlessly and become quite enmeshed in constructs instead of in the Creator(s). Intellectualizing and hoping the intellect can ascend. What about the "me"?

I have a long history as a being and almost zero recollection above the surface. I have a cloud of negative charge (an actual mass) that I add to and carry with me from lifetime to lifetime, ready to activate. Like a virtual film archive, and when I glance over it it zaps me once again. Close that door, don't go there, it's too painful to stir up again. Must stir it up though to help me "survive", but keep it below the surface. It's the "Good Cop/Bad Cop" that runs me (I created it too, when my mere thoughts ruled).


This too is all "Construct" and I'm only three inches or so away from rising up out of it, like a cat pulling its head out of a paper bag. I only think I am in a trap. The attitude is the trap.

In my sessions there were times when I eagerly approached what seemed the Static, the nasis of my birth as an individuated being. Only to find that it was a faux birthing set up by a GameLord, or the Hyperversals, another strategy I played on myself and others.

But I am taking first steps to come out of the jungle of energized constructs, and the air and light does get finer and finer. There is a sweet meadow above all this, and it is once again there for me because I determined to go beyond my intellect and logic and the ever-created below-the-surface mind barriers.

When that day comes I can once again unlock my primal polarities, change my Thought(s), change my creations, AND as a wiser one.

It is the same for all of us because I have given two others sessions who were arrived at that pre-individuation state in their history as a being.

Intellect cannot encompass it totally, but can attempt to translate, but only for the purpose of motivating others to take the same journey, beyond the intellect.

Thus, I write with the same urge as the ones who went before me wrote about it

May the highest truth be your truth, and when you get there please come back and string up some beacon lights

sincerely,
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I understand what you are saying, but you are concentrating on one thing at the peril of another.

The Art Of War

It is said that if you know your enemies and know yourself, you will not be imperiled in a hundred battles; if you do not know your enemies but do know yourself, you will win one and lose one; if you do not know your enemies nor yourself, you will be imperiled in every single battle.

There is a war going on, and it is taking place inside of you. By focusing on only the positive you are ignoring the negative, and the negative is always there, attacking, trying to stop you. Gnosis(knowledge) is the key ingredient to ascension. But this is something that you must choose to acquire, it cannot be dropped in your lap, you will not understand its meaning if it is obtained in this manner. So we must try and understand the forces that are behind negativity, we must learn about the enemy. When you do this, you will make a great leap forward, because you will understand yourself, and you will regain some control. There are dark forces at work on this planet, forces that feed from the negative energy that we produce. We are their source of food, and they do not want us to be freed from this cycle. They want us to willingly choose to be their food source. They cannot take away your freewill, but they can manipulate it so that you will make bad choices, even though you think these choices are good choices. But if these choices stop you from knowing the truth, then their will has been imposed over your freewill, and they will win everytime. Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer.
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Old 02-07-2010, 08:24 PM   #18
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By focusing on only the positive you are ignoring the negative, and the negative is always there, attacking, trying to stop you. Gnosis(knowledge) is the key ingredient to ascension.
Who decides what is positive and negative? These are perspectives relative to the EGO. From this perspective it is seen that the creators perspective is that there is only good. It is the EGO that decides it to be positive or negative as to what is in it for me. When the "I" individual can perceive the thought of the creator behind a given situation and see that it is a pathway in its return to source then it can transend the EGO and make itself like the creator in its choices. That is, either we are taught by the school of hard knocks or we are taught by the creator by direct intention to learn from every experience we are given regardless of the perception of it being good or bad for us at the time. This is how we can progress in one life time and avoid repeating this grade through successive incarnations.

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Who decides what is positive and negative? These are perspectives relative to the EGO. From this perspective it is seen that the creators perspective is that there is only good. It is the EGO that decides it to be positive or negative as to what is in it for me. When the "I" individual can perceive the thought of the creator behind a given situation and see that it is a pathway in its return to source then it can transend the EGO and make itself like the creator in its choices. That is, either we are taught by the school of hard knocks or we are taught by the creator by direct intention to learn from every experience we are given regardless of the perception of it being good or bad for us at the time. This is how we can progress in one life time and avoid repeating this grade through successive incarnations.
I see you are stating a higher truth, from the viewpoint of zero fixed polarities. That is one part.

I see Ojibway is stating some apparent and practical truths, and from the perspective that beings do tend to fix on either the positive or negative side of a goal or polarity. That is another part.

There can be a game of saying who has the highest truths, or feelings of discomfort with another level of truth. Everyone is "right" in whatever parts or wholes they perceive.

One of my favorite mantras is from an attitude of faith: all things work together for good. Loosely translated. Please don't tear apart the meanings of each word, thank you :-)
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Please don't tear apart the meanings of each word, thank you :-)
I would hope that I haven't been tearing apart words. If I have please forgive me. My intention is just to note thoughts that come about from this discussion and I see this as a united attempt at realising all-that-is. The fundemental distinctions here are the Gnostic teaching from the controlling religious perspective. I think we all percieve this distinction and the flaw in puting all our trust and faith in an enitity that is anything other than all-that-is. Whilst these paths may lead us higher they may also lead us down a dead end ally way. Our goal is to find our way back to all-that-is. It is our free will to decide what path we take to get there and how long it takes. I have made a choice to build a one on one relationship with the creator and these understandings have presented themselves. I may be way off base but I trust that this is the path of learning I have been given. Any path that leads me off target can induce a potential corrrection to lead me back to the target. All that is needed is the intention.

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I would hope that I haven't been tearing apart words. If I have please forgive me. My intention is just to note thoughts that come about from this discussion and I see this as a united attempt at realising all-that-is. The fundemental distinctions here are the Gnostic teaching from the controlling religious perspective. I think we all percieve this distinction and the flaw in puting all our trust and faith in an enitity that is anything other than all-that-is. Whilst these paths may lead us higher they may also lead us down a dead end ally way. Our goal is to find our way back to all-that-is. It is our free will to decide what path we take to get there and how long it takes. I have made a choice to build a one on one relationship with the creator and these understandings have presented themselves. I may be way off base but I trust that this is the path of learning I have been given. Any path that leads me off target can induce a potential corrrection to lead me back to the target. All that is needed is the intention.
I am curious, how do you go about building a one-on-one relationship with the creator? Specifically, in your everyday goings on, how do you do that?

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I am curious, how do you go about building a one-on-one relationship with the creator? Specifically, in your everyday goings on, how do you do that?

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I said to the creator in Prayer:

Dear Father,

The only way that I can truely make an informed descision and make the correct choices that are in allignment with your will is to know you as a friend. To close the gap of seperation by redemption of what I can immediately perceive that needs correction and to then be guided by you towards this level of communication. I must never stop talking to you because when I look back over my life I can see that you have never stopped talking to me and guiding me. It is just I wasn't always paying attention. Now I choose to pay attention and move back into closeness with you.

Amen


Then things just happen. I get a random email that steers me on one path of knowledge from someone I don't know. I get a book given to me to read called "The Shack" ISBN-10 0-9647292-3-7 the day after I ask the question "How can you as the conductor of all that is allow people to do bad things like blow them selves up and kill others?" The book is fiction but explores where God is in a world of Pain.

This has happened for some time now. When I ask I receive. When I go looking I find. I am very thankful.
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I said to the creator in Prayer:

Dear Father,

The only way that I can truely make an informed descision and make the correct choices that are in allignment with your will is to know you as a friend. To close the gap of seperation by redemption of what I can immediately perceive that needs correction and to then be guided by you towards this level of communication. I must never stop talking to you because when I look back over my life I can see that you have never stopped talking to me and guiding me. It is just I wasn't always paying attention. Now I choose to pay attention and move back into closeness with you.

Amen


Then things just happen. I get a random email that steers me on one path of knowledge from someone I don't know. I get a book given to me to read called "The Shack" ISBN-10 0-9647292-3-7 the day after I ask the question "How can you as the conductor of all that is allow people to do bad things like blow them selves up and kill others?" The book is fiction but explores where God is in a world of Pain.

This has happened for some time now. When I ask I receive. When I go looking I find. I am very thankful.
Thank you, and I will follow your example tonight :-) Myself, I would feel safer saying "Dear All-that-is", or Dear "Higher Self". Also, the "...I must never stop talking to you..." I would change to a positive statement, remove the "must never".

I have a backoff on saying "Amen" too. I'd probably say, "It is said and it is done" or some english language positive affirmation. The universe seems to be quite legalistic when it comes to what words are used, and has its own rules.

Then, as you do, I would remain watchful and mindful, knowing the communication was received.

Also, I am training myself not to use the "Why?" word, although I will ask for clarification.

I love the simplicity and heartfulness of your prayer, thank you for sharing.

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I've thought about the use of Father / Mother and He/She etc a lot. I reason that if we take it that the Mother is the creation itself and the Father is the intention behind the creation and that coupled with the statement "In the Beginning there was the Word." To speak a word is to form an intent. So therefore Father God is the source of all that is. Mother God is to be respected just as any other part of creation should be respected as no part of creation is above any other part of creation. Many disciplines have labeled the intention behind the creation as the Father. It is that which I address and mean no disrepect to the Creation herself. I usually finish with "Thank you". "Amen" is an old habit. I was trying to share the heart of the message and translate what I was communicating from the heart.

"Think with your Heart". "Feel with your mind"
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No, no, no, that did not bother me at all. What I had a personal concern about is that the 4D is fairly tricky and there might be all kinds of "Fathers", so that is why I say "All the is", and I do have a tendency to be too microscopic, and this may be one of those occasions :-)

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