I would like to issue a challenge

11-18-2008, 07:47 AM

I will give to all who want proof of God the creator or to any that want proof of Lucifer a challenge. If you truly seek Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding then I encourage you to get on your face to the Great Creator with true earnestness and ask him to give it to you. But first you must be honest with Him and yourself. You must ask forgiveness for Sin(literally sin means falling short of his purpose for you) and iniquities that exist in all of us mankind.
If you seek him with and open, honest heart I guarantee you you will not be let down. It may not be an earth shattering experience but if you give Him and yourself time and seek him day and evening with your face to the ground in true reverence I can assure you he will lead you to truth and true inner love. Just ask him to show you truth and start searching. look to Enoch, Torah, ancient writings of all kinds and ask Him to guide you and give you revelation if you are steadfast it will come. Ask him to give you discernment of what is truth and what is BS. If you are just a lazy ass smart alec you wont find squat but, if like I said, you are truly honest about your your flesh and realize theres nothing about you he doesn't see or know and confess it then the transformation will begin and it will be more powerful than any black majik or so called enlightenment you can get from the Great lier. I know I did a couple years ago and my journey has been the most exciting and truly remarkable one I have ever had.
The thing is you have to really be ready and Honest. My Spirit has been awakened to truth and love as never before. I am now an Immortal spirit being and creation of the most high in a container not a container that thinks she is God. It took me 48 years to get to the place where I quit playing games and thinking I was OK because I believe but never really sought with a contrite and open heart as a child that knows nothing before the Great PAPA before I really found Him. I was religious and looked to leader figures in religion and was just lukewarm as is the whole Idea of religion. It keeps you lukewarm and unpalatable to the Heavenly PAPA. OK so there go, you can go on thinking you know it all and have all the truth you need and can get what you need on your own but I guarantee you that until you start to believe you are just a child compared to the Creator and know nothing you can't gain any real wisdom. Be reverent, be real, be open and humble and see what happens. His love is for everyone. Even the most decrepit evil persons in the world. God's richest Blessings ~~

RedeZra · 11-18-2008, 08:47 AM

Yes take 1 step towards God and He will take 10 steps towards you...

There is a path from each heart to God...Everyone dabbles along this path in his own manner and in his own good time he will reach there...

God doesnt burst into ones life and demands surrender and worship...He comes gently as a breeze gently tapping at the door waiting for the invitation...and often find His loved ones preoccupied with His Creation...they say we dont have time for You now besides Your Light is to Strong...and God says OK Ill wait...

God has the Heart of a Thousand Mothers...

God is Everything Everywhere Ever!

A man died and came to Heaven and met God...
"Aha so you do exist...?!"
"Yes and I always been with you!"
God showed him a vision of a beach with 2 pairs of footsteps...and the man followed the steps with his eyes til he came to a desperate point in his life and there at that point were only 1 pair of steps...
"But why did you leave me there where i thought i just couldnt go on...?"
"There I carried you on My back!"

In this day and age of rampant materialism and moral decline...Remembrance of the Name of God is the lantern that will guide you through the wordly wilderness...

Choose any Name of God you want you feel most comfortable with you cherish the most...They All are Ablaze with Divinity and will Take you All The Way!

Dedicate each Act to God and act as best you can and let God worry about the process and the result...throw the burden of Karma on God...Surly He can carry it!

God wil conform to the image you have of Him and Act accordingly!

Prayer is Communion with God and He responds in accordance to the depth and intensity of the Prayer!

TranceAm · 11-18-2008, 10:27 AM

Sorry, BUT is this the same as posting Porn on the forum?

What is the difference?

Anchor · 11-18-2008, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by TranceAm

What is the difference?

Porn is harder to ignore.

A..

TranceAm · 11-18-2008, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

Porn is harder to ignore.

A..

Point for you. :-)

Harper · 11-18-2008, 11:15 AM

Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you.

George Carlin

hehehehehehe................

11-18-2008, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Harper

Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you.

George Carlin

hehehehehehe................

Again nothing of value. Just dribble.

Average Joe · 11-18-2008, 11:44 AM

I think there is value there.

God appears to hold grudges and punish people.

11-18-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Average Joe

I think there is value there.

God appears to hold grudges and punish people.

So many read the bible and think that God is punishing people in general but if in fact it is the Fallen Sons of God that are the ones he is punishing. In the times of the OT there were these fallen ones that came and took physical form and taught mankind the ways of war, money, etc. They enter bred and created a giant race of man called the nephilim and ther rephaim that were bastards and a desoloation of his purpose for you his greatest creation. His rath was and is still burning against those ones and those that follow them. It's a simple choice really, chose to be a part of the creator and his purpose or the creation that has fallen, been judged and hates you with every fiber of thier being and will do everything in thier power to mislead you and destroy you and the immortal soul that dwells within you. God does love you but you must first show him that you want his love.

dayzero · 11-18-2008, 05:42 PM

_Immanetises Eschaton by mistake_

damn.

11-18-2008, 05:46 PM

Many post about religion. You should take time to really look up the word and what it means. I don't propose religion here. I propose a relationship with your creator if you do not wish to do that I respect that and no one says you have to. If you are offended by that then you should probably check yourself as to why you can live in a so called free country and allow others the right to believe as they may and express their beliefs without attacking in such limited and narrow terms. When you do it truly shows your ignorance. What I have proposed sets aside any religious practice accept to approach the great Spirit Creator or God if you will and see if you don't have an awakening. Of course there is going to be those that are so full of themselves and their self worth and ideas, and , ideas of the ages that have been planted by the masters of religion. The Fallen sons of God. Trust me, how you treat others will carry on when times are tuff and if, and how you fair in a community should you survive the troubling times to come will depend on how you treat others with different views. You can be offended and show offense or say simply, this is not for me. But to try and be offensive shows your maturity and spiritual maturity.

11-19-2008, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooby

So many read the bible and think that God is punishing people in general but if in fact it is the Fallen Sons of God that are the ones he is punishing. In the times of the OT there were these fallen ones that came and took physical form and taught mankind the ways of war, money, etc. They enter bred and created a giant race of man called the nephilim and ther rephaim that were bastards and a desoloation of his purpose for you his greatest creation. His rath was and is still burning against those ones and those that follow them. It's a simple choice really, chose to be a part of the creator and his purpose or the creation that has fallen, been judged and hates you with every fiber of thier being and will do everything in thier power to mislead you and destroy you and the immortal soul that dwells within you. God does love you but you must first show him that you want his love.

Have you ever read the book of Job? This throws the theory of punishing only the bad guys out the window. Job was considered, by God, to be the most loyal follower of God. He did everything he was told. Look what happened to him. God and Satan went out to lunch and made some bets. God let Job suffer to win a bet. Hello.

Please rethink your statements and investigate what it is your selling.

Alexandra

RedeZra · 11-20-2008, 02:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Alexandra

Have you ever read the book of Job? This throws the theory of punishing only the bad guys out the window. Job was considered, by God, to be the most loyal follower of God. He did everything he was told. Look what happened to him. God and Satan went out to lunch and made some bets. God let Job suffer to win a bet. Hello.

Please rethink your statements and investigate what it is your selling.

Alexandra

Hello ...why not also tell how this story ends lol but first...

God allowed Satan to destroy but the life of Job!

Why did God not do this dirty work Himself...? -if not for God does not destroy the pious and righteous...!

why did Satan need permission from God to ruin Job...? -if not for Job was considered pious and righteous in the Eyes of God...!

why did God allow Satan to destroy a pious and righteous Job...? -if not for God was confident about Jobs unyielding piousness in the wake of disaster...!

And Job did not curse slip nor offend God in his the Dark Night of the Soul...!
God did speak to Job and affirmed Jobs pious and righteous attitude also in his midst of misery -and this incident aking to a Blessing in Disguise restored Jobs material world pluss won him direct communication and confirmation from God that he Job did well...!

Which stories and drama are the most fascinating and awe inspiring...?
Is it not the ones which include severe struggle and hardships but where still spiritual values like character honor and integrity perseveres against all odds...?
I think so : )

franciejones · 11-20-2008, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Anchor

Porn is harder to ignore.

A..

LMAO! You made me laugh so hard with that one...love it!

11-18-2008, 11:15 AM

[QUOTE=TranceAm;82225]Sorry, BUT is this the same as posting Porn on the forum?

What is the difference?[/QUOTE
Vague and ambiguos at least. Sorry but I don't get your statement. Perhaps you could elaborate. If you don't agree or believe in a God than why try and ***** in the thread with dribble? Does the concept threaten you? If you don't believe than why are even in the spirituality Forum? If you don't have any self respect than possibly you could at least try to pretend to have some for others.

TranceAm · 11-18-2008, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Scooby

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Originally Posted by TranceAm

Sorry, BUT is this the same as posting Porn on the forum?

What is the difference?

Vague and ambiguos at least. Sorry but I don't get your statement. Perhaps you could elaborate. If you don't agree or believe in a God than why try and ***** in the thread with dribble? Does the concept threaten you? If you don't believe than why are even in the spirituality Forum? If you don't have any self respect than possibly you could at least try to pretend to have some for others.

Oh, But it was dribble in all respect <due>,
And the same respect would be given when someone would post porn for the people who are searching for porn. However, for everyone else, it is nothing else then playing missionary that tries to sell a product.. In this case the price is total obedience, and the product sold is god...

And no, I don't have to pretend here.. Here is what you see is what you get.

Lets see your challenge again:

"If you truly seek Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding then I encourage you to get on your face to the Great Creator with true earnestness and ask him to give it to you."

I think, (But some in the know and more erudite), can confirm that God didn't want that, because the moment the apple from the tree of knowledge/wisdom was eaten we were supposedly thrown out of Eden for disobeying that !order! .

So In all honesty, did ?he? change his mind?
Why? Was ?he? unjust while judging curiosity?
Why do we get this offer, but no one in the 2000 year before us?
How did God tell you this?

Now, I would or better I could accept god as an equal, and his purpose for mankind to create equals to spend eternity with....

But kneel for him, or put my face for in the dirt? That all by itself gives a dirty taste in my mouth that would last an eternity to get rid of...

I hope you don't take this as an insult, and I am very convinced that you will use the knowledge of understanding and wisdom as given to you (You DID already GET THEM REWARDS YES??????), to interprete and judge this reply to your so urgent request.

Any more questions, that weren't answered yet by the wisdom, knowledge and understanding as given to you..

Just shoot, and I will try to plug the holes.

With all respect Due

TranceAm.

Edit.. Since I got some time, and am bored as hell, I will answer the rest of your second post also.

"If you don't agree or believe in a God than why try and ***** in the thread with dribble?"

If you would have advertised IN the subject that this challenge was about GOD, I wouldn't have been here, only the people that ALREAYD believe in GOD.
so false advertising, and wasting precious lifetime..

"Does the concept threaten you?"

Far from, I don't believe in Boogie men or Santa Claus... As always, The offer still stands, If boogie men, just send them to me....

"If you don't believe than why are even in the spirituality Forum?"

I think Spirituality doesn't nesessary have to be found in where you "claim" you found it. (And I personally doubt it..... And I will show you why.)

"If you don't have any self respect"

I think, I have the HIGHEST self respect from the 2 of us, since I don't try to find it somewhere else, by BEGGING for it.

"than possibly you could at least try to pretend to have some for others."

Say what now?
You tell me in front of an audience to "lie" by "pretending?
Halleluya, we have a wittness.

NOW THAT all by and in itself WOULD BE A CHALLENGE I gladly FAIL..

Now wanna stand in front of "gods" judgement?
I can handle it with open mind and eyes and without fear... Can you?
I guess, that is called Knowledge by Understanding based on wisdom.

RedeZra · 11-19-2008, 02:50 AM

Lol people who dont believe in God

How come this Universe to be?
A chance freak of accident devoid of Intelligence...?
Something came from Nothing...?
Surly it most be a Deliberate Creation or a Projection by Someone or Something...!

Now the Nature and Concept of God can be discussed and experienced...

No wonder the utter confusion among Man when not even the Basic of Basics are agreed upon...!
Truth is Truth no matter who and how many denies It...!

God is God and the same God in every language and culture of the Earth
Man adorn Him with different Names

So He has His Ministry His Spiritual Departments a Spiritual Hierarchy
And on the Top the Ancient the Most High spinning His web of Creation or is it Projection ...like a spider and her web...

Modern Man have for some mysterious reason an inflated ego...so big one would think there were room for a concept of God...but noo many are to big for God!
Modern Man are to proud to bend or surrender to Will of God...to proud to acknowledge and accept a Force more powerful then themselves...
Simple reason for this is that those men do not know have no experience nor have been in the aware proximity of God...!

Orion11 · 11-19-2008, 04:50 AM

buenas noches.

11-19-2008, 05:01 AM

No God of mine wants to see me face down in the dirt, groveling like dog for scraps.

If that is the God you worship, you can keep him.

RedeZra · 11-19-2008, 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by historycircus

No God of mine wants to see me face down in the dirt, groveling like dog for scraps.

If that is the God you worship, you can keep him.

Are you not exaggerating a tiny tad lil bit here...?
ok here we go about the concept of surrender...it means to dedicate the fruits and results of your actions to God which in the 1st place is rightfully His as All is His but your act of conscious surrender and dedication to Him frees you from any karmic consequences of your actions...its more about a mental manner then literally falling on your knees worshipping...though the latter would also be a good exercise for proud and vain men lol

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Originally Posted by SuperManny

...Of course I feel like a god! And why shouldn't I? The bible says I am one!!

"Ye are gods! Sons and Daughters of the Most High"
Psalms 82; 6
John 10; 34

Yes true but there is this definite difference between intellectual concept feeling of grandeur and actual God realization : )

raulduke · 11-19-2008, 09:41 AM

Hi Scooby,

Interesting challenge. If I read you correctly, then your challenge is to submit to a higher power in order to attain "Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding."

I've done this in my own way, but the only understanding I have ever truly asked of "God" is why does innocent suffering exist? That's the brick wall I ran into years ago, and I'm still not through it.

I was raised Roman Catholic w/ very religious parents, and I have had around 13 years of private catholic schooling (4 years at a jesuit high school), so I've had ample time to consider this problem.

The biggest problem I have w/ the idea of an omnipotent/omnipresent God is that, if he/she/it is an all powerful force, than why the **** is there innocent suffering present in the world. Why are villiages in the Congo and Darfur and all over the third world, being massacred and herded into refugee camps. What did they do that they deserve such an awful experience to be forced upon them. If God controls all and is everywhere then, what the **** is he doing. I feel almost guilty for having had such an easy life (comparatively) so far. Why do I deserve a free pass because of my birth parents?
Now, people will say that suffering is a result of the devil's influence pulling people away from God (sin). Sinners through their actions, can inflict suffering upon themselves or others unfortunately. So if God is omnipotent, wtf, why not just get rid of the friggin devil? Because we need suffering to learn?

Well I'm sorry but if that is the system, then it's ****** up, and I want no part in perpetuating the idea that God is omnipotent, it simply doesn't make sense, to me anyway. He may be omnipresent, but if he is omnipotent then he's a dick.

I can see that you're adamant in your belief that we are not given everything we need inside of us, and that understanding must come from outside. I disagree for now and oddly enough I wrote what might be considered this threads antithesis just before you wrote this one. I've gained more knowledge/wisdom/understanding from my own experiences (and those of my peers/fellow humans) than I have from any books religious or otherwise. Third hand knowledge in iself is not necessarily bad, but imho it should be taken w/ a large grain of salt.

To these poeple who tell me they know the consequences of my earthly actions and that they know they'll result in eternity in a heaven or hell, I ask:

"Have you ever died before?"
"No, o.k, then you've spoken w/ someone who has?"
"No, o.k. well you've read a book about it then?"

The problem I've always had w/ people who tell me that I need to devote my life to God is this:

If this is the same God who made me in his image then I'm confused. Of course since they told me that, I thought God must be like me. I wondered how I would handle the role of God.
Well for one, I wouldn't be so needy.
He's a deity, why does he need all the hype from people?

If I had created life (as God), I certainly wouldn't make that life bow down to me, I would ask nothing in return other than for all life to have respect (and hopefully love) for all other life.
I really don't see why we need to focus so intently on a higher power. If it's out there then we'll find it in due time or it will make itself present when necessary.

If God needs attention, this way of going about getting it is childish imho, basicly a guilt trip from what I can see.

The Jesus story works the same as a guilt trip for some. "Devote your life to God, because he sent his only son to save your otherwise doomed lives." I can't jump on w/ that. First, because while I think that the idea of what Jesus accepted was the noblest thing any human could possibly do, I submit that given the same chance, the majority of people would do the same. Think about it. You can save all human life from certain doom by you allowing yourself to be brutally murdered after being tortured for hours. I would like to think that others are of the same mind here when I say that, i would certainly choose the redemption of all souls over my bodily wellbeing.
And oh yeah to sweeten the deal, if saving all of humanity ain't enough for ya, then we've got eternal paradise and unending fame on tap after it's over. Even if people would choose bodily self preservation over the redemption all human souls, I'm pretty sure they would jump at the chance for the sweetner bit.

And secondly, seeking God in order to save one's self is imo counterproductive to (what I think is) the message of God.

I always wonder when I see those WWJD bracelets. Really, do they need to stop and think about what Jesus would do in order to act kindly/respectfully.

So I have to refute all of the official the ideas that have been presented as to the nature of God.
My interperatation of "God" now is a single consciousness. That consciousness is in all of us I think, (so I don't think I am God, but rather a part of God) and we can tap into the unfiltered source at times when we're detatched from "self". As a result of this God can only be tuned into by those devoted to unity rather than self.
I certainly don't claim this to be truth, it's just my logical conclusions up to now.

So if the God you speak of is this omnipotent/omnipresent one, then I fully accepted your challenge long ago, and the understanding has still not come, so I had to reason for myself.

Corky · 11-19-2008, 11:18 AM

"You must ask forgiveness for Sin(literally sin means falling short of his purpose for you)
It took me 48 years to get to the place where I quit playing games and thinking I was OK because I believe but never really sought with a contrite and open heart as a child that knows nothing before the Great PAPA before I really found Him."

Hi Scooby

Ok, let's use your analogy of God as parent. As a parent myself, I expect my children to stumble and learn from their mistakes but I would not require them to grovel for my forgiveness because that has already been granted through my unconditional love for them.

I think the only challenge we face is to accept

the unconditional love of our creator and let it flow through us like an endless fountain.

"If you are just a lazy ass smart alec you wont find squat"

The very act of "searching" gives testament to the separation that makes us feel we have look outside of our own hearts to find God.

eaglespirit · 11-19-2008, 01:15 PM

Love is NOT a challenge...but a personal decision!

Sin is an illusion created to control through fear.

We are here to learn lessons of unconditional love!

YOU are the One YOU have been waiting for!

Thought I'd share a channel of mine from a couple days ago,
seems appropriate here:

Once you help those in front of you bring the noise level down so that they may listen to their very own urges in the calmness and stillness and re-connect to their own Higher Guidance everything changes and the possibility of people "catching up" in the now to what is really going on will increase tenfold in the moment. There are people in front of you experiencing personal changes that are making them stand up and look square in the eye what is really creating all of the mayhem and that they can decide to not be a part of it any longer and not be in fear of taking self-responsibility and doing their very own good in front of them to be a part of the turnaround.

They are understanding, more and more, that each of them are a beautiful and powerful part of the whole...each of their soul signatures matters profoundly to these changes coming forth so that this may happen beautifully with their own added intent of love. Continue to let them know just how much each and every one of them matters and that the more they pursue knowing the truth for themselves and acting upon it themselves the more loving truth there will be, exponentially. Help those that are ready to quiet the noise level in their lives and consciously take hold of their own turnaround.

Most people simply need to feel and see your own connection to Higher Spirit in action and what loving confidence with humility and gratitude really means because they will see and feel what it really means right there with you. You can show them how VERY important each and every one of them actually is and how their own energy is meant to be an integral part of this beautiful turnaround and makes it that much more powerful because they decide to step into the beauty adding their unique unconditional loving energy without ANY fear of being pointed at and ridiculed by others because half of those 'others' have had experiences in their lives that they have hidden away and yet are simply just waiting for others to come forth with loving confidence so that they too can help change things right now without fear.

Help reawaken the personal Higher Knowing that has been kept under wraps for fear of ridicule and banishment...the energy of Higher Protection is becoming so strong and evident now that more of you are stepping forward... new people that are wavering will know that it is time to be ALL they can be by you being all you can be.

Each of US changes the world right in front of Us and right now, separately/together...by a simple decision of self-responsibility to express the Higher Love/God we already have within Us through every thought and feeling and word and action!

If You feel You have done some wrong things...just stop doing them, simple!

Corky · 11-19-2008, 01:48 PM

Hi Eaglespirit

Great Post!

Some may find the "decision" of unconditional love a challenge if they feel the need to grovel for forgiveness before being deemed worthy of it.

One question

if "YOU are the One YOU have been waiting for!"

Who is your "Channelled" source?

eaglespirit · 11-19-2008, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Corky

Hi Eaglespirit

Great Post!

Some may find the "decision" of unconditional love a challenge if they feel the need to grovel for forgiveness before being deemed worthy of it.

One question

if "YOU are the One YOU have been waiting for!"

Who is your "Channeled" source?

Hi Corky...Wishing You Well!

Who is your "Channeled" source?

In a way...My HIGHER Me!

We all have access to that "Source" for channeling, our Higher Selves!
Anyone can simply start talking to the Higher Realm of Love by asking
"What is it I need to know?" from a quiet place and then listening.
The communication will come for each and everyone that asks and listens. When you get a response, write it down if you feel you want to remember and want to connect stronger. And keep asking and keep writing and all the doubt of connecting to Your Own Higher Realm will dissipate...
and You WILL Connect!

To be more specific, I channel through the Council of Light which is simply my connection for channeling which in turn connects me to the Higher Spirit/Creator which in turn connects me to the Creator which in turn connects me to the Creator within my very own being!
And Co-Creation becomes a way of being in every moment!
And all we have to do is forgive ourselves and stop doing things we would not want done to us.
And anyone can do it by a decision and action : )

But you already knew this! : ) : ) : )

11-18-2008, 07:47 AM	#1
Scooby Guest Posts: n/a	I would like to issue a challenge I will give to all who want proof of God the creator or to any that want proof of Lucifer a challenge. If you truly seek Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding then I encourage you to get on your face to the Great Creator with true earnestness and ask him to give it to you. But first you must be honest with Him and yourself. You must ask forgiveness for Sin(literally sin means falling short of his purpose for you) and iniquities that exist in all of us mankind. If you seek him with and open, honest heart I guarantee you you will not be let down. It may not be an earth shattering experience but if you give Him and yourself time and seek him day and evening with your face to the ground in true reverence I can assure you he will lead you to truth and true inner love. Just ask him to show you truth and start searching. look to Enoch, Torah, ancient writings of all kinds and ask Him to guide you and give you revelation if you are steadfast it will come. Ask him to give you discernment of what is truth and what is BS. If you are just a lazy ass smart alec you wont find squat but, if like I said, you are truly honest about your your flesh and realize theres nothing about you he doesn't see or know and confess it then the transformation will begin and it will be more powerful than any black majik or so called enlightenment you can get from the Great lier. I know I did a couple years ago and my journey has been the most exciting and truly remarkable one I have ever had. The thing is you have to really be ready and Honest. My Spirit has been awakened to truth and love as never before. I am now an Immortal spirit being and creation of the most high in a container not a container that thinks she is God. It took me 48 years to get to the place where I quit playing games and thinking I was OK because I believe but never really sought with a contrite and open heart as a child that knows nothing before the Great PAPA before I really found Him. I was religious and looked to leader figures in religion and was just lukewarm as is the whole Idea of religion. It keeps you lukewarm and unpalatable to the Heavenly PAPA. OK so there go, you can go on thinking you know it all and have all the truth you need and can get what you need on your own but I guarantee you that until you start to believe you are just a child compared to the Creator and know nothing you can't gain any real wisdom. Be reverent, be real, be open and humble and see what happens. His love is for everyone. Even the most decrepit evil persons in the world. God's richest Blessings ~~

11-18-2008, 08:47 AM	#2
RedeZra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 539	Re: I would like to issue a challenge Yes take 1 step towards God and He will take 10 steps towards you... There is a path from each heart to God...Everyone dabbles along this path in his own manner and in his own good time he will reach there... God doesnt burst into ones life and demands surrender and worship...He comes gently as a breeze gently tapping at the door waiting for the invitation...and often find His loved ones preoccupied with His Creation...they say we dont have time for You now besides Your Light is to Strong...and God says OK Ill wait... God has the Heart of a Thousand Mothers... God is Everything Everywhere Ever! A man died and came to Heaven and met God... "Aha so you do exist...?!" "Yes and I always been with you!" God showed him a vision of a beach with 2 pairs of footsteps...and the man followed the steps with his eyes til he came to a desperate point in his life and there at that point were only 1 pair of steps... "But why did you leave me there where i thought i just couldnt go on...?" "There I carried you on My back!" In this day and age of rampant materialism and moral decline...Remembrance of the Name of God is the lantern that will guide you through the wordly wilderness... Choose any Name of God you want you feel most comfortable with you cherish the most...They All are Ablaze with Divinity and will Take you All The Way! Dedicate each Act to God and act as best you can and let God worry about the process and the result...throw the burden of Karma on God...Surly He can carry it! God wil conform to the image you have of Him and Act accordingly! Prayer is Communion with God and He responds in accordance to the depth and intensity of the Prayer! Last edited by RedeZra; 11-18-2008 at 09:16 AM.

11-18-2008, 10:27 AM	#3
TranceAm Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: South Carolina USA Posts: 368	Re: I would like to issue a challenge Sorry, BUT is this the same as posting Porn on the forum? What is the difference?

11-18-2008, 11:15 AM	#6
Harper Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Paris Posts: 467	Re: I would like to issue a challenge Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time! But He loves you. George Carlin hehehehehehe................

11-18-2008, 11:44 AM	#8
Average Joe Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: UK Posts: 377	Re: I would like to issue a challenge I think there is value there. God appears to hold grudges and punish people.

11-18-2008, 05:42 PM	#10
dayzero Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Southern England Posts: 458	Re: I would like to issue a challenge _Immanetises Eschaton by mistake_ damn. Last edited by dayzero; 11-18-2008 at 05:46 PM.

11-18-2008, 05:46 PM	#11
Scooby Guest Posts: n/a	Re: I would like to issue a challenge Many post about religion. You should take time to really look up the word and what it means. I don't propose religion here. I propose a relationship with your creator if you do not wish to do that I respect that and no one says you have to. If you are offended by that then you should probably check yourself as to why you can live in a so called free country and allow others the right to believe as they may and express their beliefs without attacking in such limited and narrow terms. When you do it truly shows your ignorance. What I have proposed sets aside any religious practice accept to approach the great Spirit Creator or God if you will and see if you don't have an awakening. Of course there is going to be those that are so full of themselves and their self worth and ideas, and , ideas of the ages that have been planted by the masters of religion. The Fallen sons of God. Trust me, how you treat others will carry on when times are tuff and if, and how you fair in a community should you survive the troubling times to come will depend on how you treat others with different views. You can be offended and show offense or say simply, this is not for me. But to try and be offensive shows your maturity and spiritual maturity.

11-19-2008, 02:50 AM	#17
RedeZra Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 539	Re: I would like to issue a challenge Lol people who dont believe in God How come this Universe to be? A chance freak of accident devoid of Intelligence...? Something came from Nothing...? Surly it most be a Deliberate Creation or a Projection by Someone or Something...! Now the Nature and Concept of God can be discussed and experienced... No wonder the utter confusion among Man when not even the Basic of Basics are agreed upon...! Truth is Truth no matter who and how many denies It...! God is God and the same God in every language and culture of the Earth Man adorn Him with different Names So He has His Ministry His Spiritual Departments a Spiritual Hierarchy And on the Top the Ancient the Most High spinning His web of Creation or is it Projection ...like a spider and her web... Modern Man have for some mysterious reason an inflated ego...so big one would think there were room for a concept of God...but noo many are to big for God! Modern Man are to proud to bend or surrender to Will of God...to proud to acknowledge and accept a Force more powerful then themselves... Simple reason for this is that those men do not know have no experience nor have been in the aware proximity of God...! Last edited by RedeZra; 11-19-2008 at 03:14 AM.

11-19-2008, 04:50 AM	#18
Orion11 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 1,098	Re: I would like to issue a challenge buenas noches.

11-19-2008, 05:01 AM	#19
historycircus Guest Posts: n/a	Re: I would like to issue a challenge No God of mine wants to see me face down in the dirt, groveling like dog for scraps. If that is the God you worship, you can keep him.

11-19-2008, 09:41 AM	#21
raulduke Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 454	Hi Scooby, Interesting challenge. If I read you correctly, then your challenge is to submit to a higher power in order to attain "Wisdom, Knowledge, Understanding." I've done this in my own way, but the only understanding I have ever truly asked of "God" is why does innocent suffering exist? That's the brick wall I ran into years ago, and I'm still not through it. I was raised Roman Catholic w/ very religious parents, and I have had around 13 years of private catholic schooling (4 years at a jesuit high school), so I've had ample time to consider this problem. The biggest problem I have w/ the idea of an omnipotent/omnipresent God is that, if he/she/it is an all powerful force, than why the ** is there innocent suffering present in the world. Why are villiages in the Congo and Darfur and all over the third world, being massacred and herded into refugee camps. What did they do that they deserve such an awful experience to be forced upon them. If God controls all and is everywhere then, what the is he doing. I feel almost guilty for having had such an easy life (comparatively) so far. Why do I deserve a free pass because of my birth parents? Now, people will say that suffering is a result of the devil's influence pulling people away from God (sin). Sinners through their actions, can inflict suffering upon themselves or others unfortunately. So if God is omnipotent, wtf, why not just get rid of the friggin devil? Because we need suffering to learn? Well I'm sorry but if that is the system, then it's **** up, and I want no part in perpetuating the idea that God is omnipotent, it simply doesn't make sense, to me anyway. He may be omnipresent, but if he is omnipotent then he's a dick. I can see that you're adamant in your belief that we are not given everything we need inside of us, and that understanding must come from outside. I disagree for now and oddly enough I wrote what might be considered this threads antithesis just before you wrote this one. I've gained more knowledge/wisdom/understanding from my own experiences (and those of my peers/fellow humans) than I have from any books religious or otherwise. Third hand knowledge in iself is not necessarily bad, but imho it should be taken w/ a large grain of salt. To these poeple who tell me they know the consequences of my earthly actions and that they know they'll result in eternity in a heaven or hell, I ask: "Have you ever died before?" "No, o.k, then you've spoken w/ someone who has?" "No, o.k. well you've read a book about it then?" The problem I've always had w/ people who tell me that I need to devote my life to God is this: If this is the same God who made me in his image then I'm confused. Of course since they told me that, I thought God must be like me. I wondered how I would handle the role of God. Well for one, I wouldn't be so needy. He's a deity, why does he need all the hype from people? If I had created life (as God), I certainly wouldn't make that life bow down to me, I would ask nothing in return other than for all life to have respect (and hopefully love) for all other life. I really don't see why we need to focus so intently on a higher power. If it's out there then we'll find it in due time or it will make itself present when necessary. If God needs attention, this way of going about getting it is childish imho, basicly a guilt trip from what I can see. The Jesus story works the same as a guilt trip for some. "Devote your life to God, because he sent his only son to save your otherwise doomed lives." I can't jump on w/ that. First, because while I think that the idea of what Jesus accepted was the noblest thing any human could possibly do, I submit that given the same chance, the majority of people would do the same. Think about it. You can save all human life from certain doom by you allowing yourself to be brutally murdered after being tortured for hours. I would like to think that others are of the same mind here when I say that, i would certainly choose the redemption of all souls over my bodily wellbeing. And oh yeah to sweeten the deal, if saving all of humanity ain't enough for ya, then we've got eternal paradise and unending fame on tap after it's over. Even if people would choose bodily self preservation over the redemption all human souls, I'm pretty sure they would jump at the chance for the sweetner bit. And secondly, seeking God in order to save one's self is imo counterproductive to (what I think is) the message of God. I always wonder when I see those WWJD bracelets. Really, do they need to stop and think about what Jesus would do in order to act kindly/respectfully. So I have to refute all of the official the ideas that have been presented as to the nature of God. My interperatation of "God" now is a single consciousness. That consciousness is in all of us I think, (so I don't think I am God, but rather a part of God) and we can tap into the unfiltered source at times when we're detatched from "self". As a result of this God can only be tuned into by those devoted to unity rather than self. I certainly don't claim this to be truth, it's just my logical conclusions up to now. So if the God you speak of is this omnipotent/omnipresent one, then I fully accepted your challenge long ago, and the understanding has still not come, so I had to reason for myself.

11-19-2008, 11:18 AM	#22
Corky Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 26	Re: I would like to issue a challenge "You must ask forgiveness for Sin(literally sin means falling short of his purpose for you) It took me 48 years to get to the place where I quit playing games and thinking I was OK because I believe but never really sought with a contrite and open heart as a child that knows nothing before the Great PAPA before I really found Him." Hi Scooby Ok, let's use your analogy of God as parent. As a parent myself, I expect my children to stumble and learn from their mistakes but I would not require them to grovel for my forgiveness because that has already been granted through my unconditional love for them. I think the only challenge we face is to accept the unconditional love of our creator and let it flow through us like an endless fountain. "If you are just a lazy ass smart alec you wont find squat" The very act of "searching" gives testament to the separation that makes us feel we have look outside of our own hearts to find God.

11-19-2008, 01:15 PM	#23
eaglespirit Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: CT, MA, RI Posts: 127	Re: I would like to issue a challenge Love is NOT a challenge...but a personal decision! Sin is an illusion created to control through fear. We are here to learn lessons of unconditional love! YOU are the One YOU have been waiting for! Thought I'd share a channel of mine from a couple days ago, seems appropriate here: Once you help those in front of you bring the noise level down so that they may listen to their very own urges in the calmness and stillness and re-connect to their own Higher Guidance everything changes and the possibility of people "catching up" in the now to what is really going on will increase tenfold in the moment. There are people in front of you experiencing personal changes that are making them stand up and look square in the eye what is really creating all of the mayhem and that they can decide to not be a part of it any longer and not be in fear of taking self-responsibility and doing their very own good in front of them to be a part of the turnaround. They are understanding, more and more, that each of them are a beautiful and powerful part of the whole...each of their soul signatures matters profoundly to these changes coming forth so that this may happen beautifully with their own added intent of love. Continue to let them know just how much each and every one of them matters and that the more they pursue knowing the truth for themselves and acting upon it themselves the more loving truth there will be, exponentially. Help those that are ready to quiet the noise level in their lives and consciously take hold of their own turnaround. Most people simply need to feel and see your own connection to Higher Spirit in action and what loving confidence with humility and gratitude really means because they will see and feel what it really means right there with you. You can show them how VERY important each and every one of them actually is and how their own energy is meant to be an integral part of this beautiful turnaround and makes it that much more powerful because they decide to step into the beauty adding their unique unconditional loving energy without ANY fear of being pointed at and ridiculed by others because half of those 'others' have had experiences in their lives that they have hidden away and yet are simply just waiting for others to come forth with loving confidence so that they too can help change things right now without fear. Help reawaken the personal Higher Knowing that has been kept under wraps for fear of ridicule and banishment...the energy of Higher Protection is becoming so strong and evident now that more of you are stepping forward... new people that are wavering will know that it is time to be ALL they can be by you being all you can be. Each of US changes the world right in front of Us and right now, separately/together...by a simple decision of self-responsibility to express the Higher Love/God we already have within Us through every thought and feeling and word and action! If You feel You have done some wrong things...just stop doing them, simple!

11-19-2008, 01:48 PM	#24
Corky Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: UK Posts: 26	Re: I would like to issue a challenge Hi Eaglespirit Great Post! Some may find the "decision" of unconditional love a challenge if they feel the need to grovel for forgiveness before being deemed worthy of it. One question if "YOU are the One YOU have been waiting for!" Who is your "Channelled" source?