Obama - allegations of past behaviour

[oldpaganfreak]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I'm sick of listening to you crying over Obama too, he is not who you think he is, he is a murderer of his 3 gay lovers and a crack addict. He is not a citizen and does not deserve to be in power as he is evil. He is trying to destroy our world with the rest of the evilness that have been our past presidents. Some day you will grow up and see this for yourself.

i realize that this is off topic, but this floored me.
where is your proof for this statement?

[It was utterly off topic So my friend I have moved you and the resulting posts to a new thread, I hope you dont mind - Anchor.. ]

[metaw3]

Originally Posted by Tango

They, were just pushing buttons... For the reaction. Attention...

Actually it's a true story that Obama is being accused of this. Donald Young, choir master at Obama's church, was murdered. Someone named Larry Sinclair is blowing the whistle about it:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...ald+you&aqi=g2
Interview with Rense:
http://rense.gsradio.net:8080/rense/...lair040408.mp3

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by oldpaganfreak

i realize that this is off topic, but this floored me.
where is your proof for this statement?

text removed to fix context

I will give my answers


Someone suggested that they knew me, I was the one that had put up the rainbow video..............NO, that is not me. I have been a member with this name since the beginning. I vauguely recall seeing a rainbow video about a year ago but it wasn't on this site. It had to do with "the Palestines taking back Israel" and all surgeries were done with a pill you swallowed. It was a chilling video that I can still hear the little girl speak. I know where I can find this video but I didnt post it here

Yes, I should not have posted that here regarding my remarks on Obama but I was pretty upset . I was expressing how I feel and I didn't think it was really a crime, nor was I trying to call attention to myself. I actually only remarked on it as I was trying to explain why I got so upset over how the human beings in the world could overlook the things MJ has done and our courts let him take three children in his home knowing he was a drug addict and a child molester. It totally freaks me out

OK, back to your question Old Pagan........When the election was going on, I was just starting to wake up. I was studying everything I could on this world that had just been shown to me as nothing I had ever imagine.

I studied Hillary Clinton and seen how there were over 25 deaths /murders/convient suicides during Bills run and presidency. I was shocked.............I then directed my studies on the Kennedy's and was once again shocked as hell. Then I studied Barack Obama.

When I did my studies, I didn't just go on the internet and read the blogs..........I actually went to their towns and read newspapers articles. I followed several publishers and based my opinions there.

I loved Obama and wanted more than anything for him to be the one until some of my friends told me to "open my eyes wider" and I did. I seen how he was forbidden to go to Hawaaii during the run and I search on the reasons. I read about the trial in Chicago.............I looked up on all his affiliations which during his run, he denied knowing these people. I read his book and found out about Frank Marshall. I knew who he was so I went further and studied Bill Ayers. I thought Bill Ayers knew what it was really all about. I personally fell in love with Rev Wright after hating him for his "words" about the chickens coming home to roost and world war II. I listened to him about Aids and I researched all of it. That is when I discovered that Rev Wright was worth listening to. He had it right.

I seen two birth certificates for Obama. One on his site "fight the smears" had one bd date and on another site was another date. The reason it stuck in my mind was one was Aug 4th and the other Aug 3rd, which was my grandmothers BD so it stuck in my mind. I knew that his mother had him in Kenyon as his own grandmother said it on the news. LOL she was told to be quiet, but too late. When his mother was going in to labor they would not let her travel to Hawaaii, but she did so the next day and they showed him born on the 4th per their records. He was not a citizen as she was not married and she was under the age of 21. His father from all I seen is Frank Marshall who was already married, actually so was barrack obama.

In the Chicago papers, I went to look up websites to see what people in Chicago were saying and I was especially interested in the murder of 3 gay men within a very short period. One the one I followed the most was on Christmas Eve. The choir singer at the church Obama attended.

I seen many implications that these 3 men all had affairs with Obama and used crack cocaine. I never talked in those sites as I didnt here as I didnt feel the need to because I was just researching.

I followed the stories on the hospital job that Mischelle obama went from 1 milliions a year to 3 million in one year. She sat on the board. The same board as many of the people in Chicago that were taking bribes and now in jail or prisons. A board that met once or twice a month. WOW

I followed the case on the "live birth abortions"

So I did do my homework and wonder if you want any more info to do your own. I have alot to back up what I say. I am not at all mentally retarded.

I was just tired of certain people deciding on who or what you talked on in this forumn.

Am I out of line? Probally but I paid for my subscription here since the beginning and got frustrated with watching a hand full determine who could speak and about what. They are not moderators. They pushed alot of people out of these rooms, some were moderators.

I believe that if you have a lesson to learn you should learn it. I never meant to hurt anybody's feelings and can see that I did.

So I am only going to be able to post up until July 15th as I stopped my funding with paypal. Let me know what you want to see and I will be happy to send what I can

I lost my old computer system, no joke, but I know many many people online where I can dig up anything to verify what I have written.

What I have put down here, is just a start. My mind is very sharp and sometimes my tongue too, which I do apologize to all

My heart does go out to MJ's family as its never easy to lose somebody but excuse me if I will not mourn. My heart goes out to the children that he hurt via their heartless parents that took payoffs. My heart aches for them more so because the world has forgotten their pain at those times. It was not as important as MJ's songs.

[Humble Janitor]

No offense, MNTruthSeeker, but a lot of that stuff you read about Obama has no basis in truth. It's all speculation drummed up by people with a motive of discrediting Obama/destroying his presidency.

The Ayers trash-bashing fails to take into account that he has changed since the incident(s) that he was involved in. Apparently, some people cannot accept that others change over time and wish to pin something on Obama that happened long before he was even born.

I don't buy any of it from either side.

Obama is not perfect but he's not the anti-christ either. The TRUTH lies in the middle and anyone SEEKING it should be able to notice this by now.

[metaw3]

Originally Posted by Anchor

How about I split this thread? We can peel off the Obama stuff into a new thread if you want (or merge it with one of the other ones that are around on this forum).

A..

I second both the split and merge.

[Anchor]

You guys are keeping me busy Too busy to do a merge at this stage, maybe in a few days.

All done now, these posts came from one of the news threads

A..

[metaw3]

I think Obama looks more like Frank Marshall than his alleged father.

http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008...avis-fbi-file/


and this article from the Telegraph is much interesting:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ack-Obama.html

Although identified only as Frank in Mr Obama’s memoir Dreams from My Father, it has now been established that he was Frank Marshall Davis, a radical activist and journalist who had been suspected of being a member of the Communist Party in the 1950s.

[...]

In his memoir, Mr Obama recounts how he visited Mr Davis on several occasions, apparently at junctures when he was grappling with racial issues, to seek his counsel.

[...]

It has also been established that Mr Davis, who divorced in 1970, was the author of a hard-core pornographic autobiography published in San Diego in 1968 by Greenleaf Classics under the pseudonym Bob Greene.

In a surviving portion of an autobiographical manuscript, Mr Davis confirms that he was the author of Sex Rebel: Black after a reader had noticed the “similarities in style and phraseology” between the pornographic work and his poetry.

[...]

One chapter concerns the seduction by Mr Davis and his first wife of a 13-year-old girl called Anne. Mr Davis wrote that it was the girl who had suggested he had sex with her. “I’m not one to go in for Lolitas. Usually I’d rather not bed a babe under 20.

[...]

On other occasions, Mr Davis would cruise in Hawaii parks looking for couples or female tourists to have sex with. He derived sexual gratification from bondage, simulated rape and being flogged and urinated on.

So the man described above, if not Obama's real father, was at least a mentor... That fits with the other allegation of murders from Obama's church:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...urch_kill.html
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...cal&id=5854125
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...cal&id=5771099
http://www.rense.com/general82/cdet.htm

The connection to Obama's church is not confirmed for Bland. And Spencer seems to have died from illness, not murdered:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2098548/posts
http://themitchandnanshow.wordpress....-long-illness/
Still, Donald Young's murder is suspicious.

[metaw3]

And this was talked here before:
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/s...lair#post87293

[mntruthseeker]

Originally Posted by metaw3

I think Obama looks more like Frank Marshall than his alleged father.

http://brianakira.wordpress.com/2008...avis-fbi-file/


and this article from the Telegraph is much interesting:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...ack-Obama.html



So the man described above, if not Obama's real father, was at least a mentor... That fits with the other allegation of murders from Obama's church:
http://www.americanfreepress.net/htm...urch_kill.html
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...cal&id=5854125
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?sec...cal&id=5771099
http://www.rense.com/general82/cdet.htm

The connection to Obama's church is not confirmed for Bland. And Spencer seems to have died from illness, not murdered:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2098548/posts
http://themitchandnanshow.wordpress....-long-illness/
Still, Donald Young's murder is suspicious.

I see you have been to some of the same sites I have

I know in my heart that much of it is true and I didn't learn it all on sites that were against Obama

I went to gay rights blogs after I seen that the people in these groups were outraged by the murders of these 3 men. They have blogs and I listened to them go on and on about things that never hit the news !

My heart goes out for Donald Youngs family as they have no closure and know that its a big cover-up same as all the other political assasinations in the world.

WAIT ...............I am being negative with my thoughts but yet, it is ok that we post that MJ was "mind control" he s/b forgiven, he knew not what he was doing? He had a kind soul................ Please...........pay attention to what you are saying and if anything give someone else the right to speak out

I read Andy Martins articles and that man is a genius. He maybe a Republican but he does know what he is talking about. He has verification of all that he talks about and when he puts his story out there............I followed his leads and seen the original paperwork..........Authentic and sealed

As I found when on Camelot. When I listen to an interview.............I found that I had to go and research on the things that were discussed. Fema Camps are something that I found maps to each location that was completed. I'm sure there are more. CERN I went and researched and got all the information I could and followed up.

So you are way off to say that I am repeating things at other sites.

I chatted with people all over the world that spoke my language and although some might find them untrustworthy, I listened.

So just as I found my life turned around with many things I would rather shut out, I continue. I am not perfect but I try to perfect my knowledge. When I found out that my life was a lie, I decided to never be fooled again. So I keep looking until my heart finally agrees on the findings.

I come to this site as I found a group of people that were intelligent and had information I wanted to know. I felt it was important and it is. But I feel that we all should be able to say what we wanted without having someone complaint about it being unfair or prejudicial. That word is in itself U.G.L.Y.

How else do we really know both sides and what is real?

I thank Camelot for opening my eyes as much as I do all the sites that take that extra step. You do need to weed it out and push out the negativity


No offense taken Humnble but how do you know if you refuse to take the extra step and move forward? I'm not putting you down, I am saying you by your own words repeatly said you didn't want these type of things on this form

I disagree with it all being speculation. When I see documents that have the original seals on them, I know it is real. When I talk to people on Church sites that went on Retreats with Obama when he was rounding up support for the gays, I felt like I was reading a novel. You wouldnt believe how hard he had to win them over. They are now saying "they have been stabbed in the back" Why should they feel any different?

The citizenship issue is still ongoing. But I dont hold my breath on that one. I can't see anybody else being POTUS not following the path that Obama is. Its a one way street no room for turns. But I do see things changing by us the human beings of the world as many are waking up.

So be it, Obama doesn't need to be a citizen to run the office, afterall he is doing a good job. When I hear that I cringe because it is like being back in school. Someone trying to pacify an issue.

My head spins and I try to figure out why I care but it doesnt stop.

I feel my whole life was based on misinformed information. The church I attended, the schools where I was educated, the physicians that treated me. I am proud to say that I broke away and woke up, isnt that we are suppose to do? Why then would I stop now? I am obsessed with knowing everything. I drove people away but now, the ones that are the most important to me are saying. "you're right" help me prepare. So you see, I will not stop and if I step on toes, I will apologize and move on.

I have been shy all of my life but suddendly I am not.

If someone disagrees with me that is fine, but I do hear what is being said and I will check it out. I do not want to be fooled again.


Here is one of the sites that I frequent. This man has authentic files and has been in a neverending fight for our freedom for years. He has opened my eyes. I am only putting his link here because he has downloadable files to prove his points.

Cliff Kincaid is a man that I find very creditable.

This site has much to offer and I will probally not completely leave as I can go back to observing, that will probally save even me alot of pain.

I appreciate all the information that I find on this site and understand that it does no good to argue and "feed the evil" wih negativity

Metaw3 has information that I myself have discovered out there. I got mine off Larry Sinclairs site, who I might say is quite the character and I am anxiously awaiting his first book. Larry put alot of time and effort into proving his points. I followed up so much that he had to offer including the people in his blog. Brilliant people that I found had much to tell.

I do not know if Frank Marshall was nothing more than a mentor. I have no proof........purely speculation.

The web of deceit had already started before Obama's birth. So yes, I wanted to know, who is this man. Show me proof that I am wrong?

Or is this the end now? Close the books and continue to profess our love for someone we only care about because of what we have been told? Trusting all without knowing if we are back in that web again.

I can not see me doing that again, ever. I want to know the truth and will admit I am wrong but before I do, you bet I will be certain about that.

mntruthseeker,

You are very passionate about your research when something is bothering you and I admire that. You have given me something to think about, I've seen most of these sights and allegations but at the time so much mud was being slug around in all directions I didn't pay much attention to it.

You've opened my eyes to dig a little deeper into these stories.

Thank you
SNM

[Seashore]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

...I want to know the truth...

Me too. When I see your user id on a post I'll be sure to read it.

[metaw3]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

I am only putting his link here because he has downloadable files to prove his points.

You forgot the link.

Obama has been chosen by the elite as their PR guy for one of the most critical presidential term ever. They are perverted demented criminals. Why would they take a chance by picking someone who has not proven to be as evil as they know they'll need him to be? The elite doesn't go by chance.

[mntruthseeker]

First of all Thanks to those of you that did not judge me and see where I am coming from


I never said that Obama was the anti-christ................I do not believe he is.........my heart tells me that prince phillip is but I will not proclaim to know this for a fact as it can be many.

Bill Ayers, I was proud of the things he did because I tend to agree with them. If I could, I might do some of the very same things he has done. I even identified with the Black Panthers back then. Today, I believe they are all part of the big picture. I believe there were infiltrators of the CIA right in these groups to stir up trouble. No proof just a gut feeling I have now. How about that Jimmi Hendrix? He was brilliant and was killed for what he knew.

Rev Wright has turned my head and it's funny but when he mentioned the Aids epidemic, I knew first hand someone involved with all that. My own step brother who lived in SF at the time. I didn't believe his story but after I heard Rev Wright, after calling him a fruitcake, I checked into the story. Now I know my step brother knew what he was talking about way back when I called him crazy. That was when my thoughts turn to admiration for this man that stood before the world and told his feelings about what our government did to so many blacks. I also understand why he had to hire protection and go into hiding.

here is Cliff site

http://www.usasurvival.org/latest_news.html


If someone can prove to me that this man is wrong, I would be interested in digging into it just sent my your source

[Barron]

The best biography you can buy at the moment is by by Webster Griffin Tarpley (Author)

Barack H. Obama: The Unauthorized Biography


Written by the author of the legendary 1992 expose of Bush the elder, this book works from a New Deal point of view. Obama is exposed as a foundation operative and agent of Wall Street finance capital, controlled by Zbigniew Brzezinski, George Soros, and Goldman Sachs. Obama's mother was an official of the Ford Foundation, the World Bank, and US AID. By all indications, Obama was identified for future political use by Brzezinski at Columbia in 1981-1983, during Obama's secret lost years. Obama has worked for the Gamaliel Foundation, the Joyce Foundation, the Woods Fund, and the Annenberg Foundation. A community organizer is a poverty pimp, a cynical opportunist who uses suffering people as a political commodity. The foundation strategy is divide and conquer, pitting blacks and against whites against Hispanics against Asians - to prevent any challenge to Wall Street. Racist provocateurs like Wright and Pfleger, along with Weatherman terrorist bombers Ayers and Dohrn - Obama's best friends - are cast in this mold. Rezko, Auchi, and Al-Sammarae represent the cesspool of Chicago graft and corruption in which Obama cavorts. Schooled in Nietzsche and Fanon, Obama qualifies as a postmodern fascist. An Obama administration would strive for brutal economic sacrifice and austerity to finance Wall Street bailouts, and for imperialist confrontation with Russia and China.

There is much more to him than 99.9% of people realise - i'd really encourage you to read this book

[Northern Boy]

I don`t know where people get the idea that he is anything but what he shows to be there is no proof from his past that would show otherwise . To me he speaks and mesmerizes with words of change, how he is against the war spouts off about transparency and people fall for it .

Then we see the legislation he signs and allows to become law Like the Climate Change Bill just passed where by 300 pages are added to a bill at 3:00 am on the day of the vote. The members were not even given time to read it. Now we find out an EPA report that was commissioned by the EPA. Its author is Alin Carlin his report differs totally with the position the EPA Put forth so they decided to leave his report out of their presentation . The vote was close 8 votes were needed to pass this so Pelosi used her influence to get the needed votes. Would she have got those votes if the report was viewed at the hearing ? Maybe not and now there is an investigation into why that report was not submitted .


Next up is health care reform . Pelosi has already stated that there is no time to debate this bill they wanted a week to read it , she said no . One only needs to wonder at the hidden gems that will be in that bill as it gets rushed through . lets just hope some thing like what is in this video below is not put into it . Congress if they were smart would stand up and all vote no. It seems as though the only thing that gets to be debated is the things they don`t want

[metaw3]

Originally Posted by Barron

i'd really encourage you to read this book

Buy the book if you like it:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/4391...ized_Biography

INTRODUCTION: OBAMA FROM THE FORD FOUNDATION TO THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION............4
CHAPTER I: OBAMA’S ROOTS IN POLYGAMY AND THE FORD FOUNDATION........................12
CHAPTER II: COLUMBIA UNIVERSITY AND RECRUITMENT BY ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI .............37
CHAPTER III: FOUNDATION-FUNDED RACISM IN CHICAGO: JEREMIAH WRIGHT AND MICHELLE .....91
CHAPTER IV: APPRENTICESHIP WITH FOUNDATION-FUNDED TERRORISTS: AYERS AND DOHRN......134
CHAPTER V: OBAMA’S HEART OF DARKNESS: REZKO, AUCHI, ALSAMMARAE, AND CHICAGO GRAFT..182
CHAPTER VI: GRABBING A SENATE SEAT WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM HIS TRILATERAL FRIENDS..215
CHAPTER VII: THE HOPE POPE AND HIS TRILATERAL MONEY MACHINE........................265
CHAPTER VIII: “OUR SOULS ARE BROKEN” – “FEEL, DON’T THINK! BE VISCERAL!” 
	– MICHELLE OBAMA, POSTMODERN FASCIST IDEOLOGUE..............................287
CHAPTER IX: OBAMA’S TRIUMPH OF THE WILL: THE 2008 PRIMARIES .......................309
CHAPTER X: OBAMA: A LOOMING WORLD TRAGEDY .........................................369
CHAPTER XI: OBAMA AS SOCIAL FASCIST................................................393
APPENDICES ........................................................................415
NOTES .............................................................................426

[Northern Boy]

If i`m not mistaken the Pirate Bay site was sold shortly after the court case was convened . It is supposed to be converting to a pay site I would suggest not downloading from that site Use btjunkie instead
http://btjunkie.org/search?q=Barack+...ized+Biography