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Old 10-06-2008, 08:48 AM   #51
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I am wondering when people will start THINKING!?

I will try to explain in easy words so everyone be able to UNDERSTAND!

There are too much prophecies and vision for mas destruction.
Good, if so, do you really think you will use the escape paths?
Do you really think your provisions will be enough?
How much water and food you can prepare?
How long you will be able to survive in a time of total destruction?

I will tell you. 1-2-3 max 5 days.
Then what?
Go to the hills ?
and die month after without more water or food.
Or believe some magic beings will undo the destruction

Besides,
All this visionaries are telling US:
Do not fear!
But at the same time unleash huge amount of doomsday fears!

I am not telling that there will be no doomsday, as a matter of fact people really deserve it, but i do not think most of them really understands why.

Do you really think that for several days souls can evolve?
Do you really think that if you start "loving" all destruction events will be reversed or stopped or whatever?
Ok so now start thinking.
Cause the major human problem is that HUMAN is not THINKING, unfortunately almost all people use their head just to balance their bodies and not fall on the ground

There was a post here, to listen your inner self.
So start doing this.
Do not follow someone else's path, follow your own.
I will say again, whatever change is coming it is just a tiny part of our life.
So stop preparing for earth destruction cause this will not help.
Start thinking
Start following your own agenda

Finally i am wondering why i am writing all this, when no one will pay any attention.
Poor me
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Old 10-06-2008, 02:44 PM   #52
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The ET's populated the planet with all of the various races. They have been watching very closely to insure that the egos and agendas of a few do not screw up the whole experience for the rest of us. They are not going to watch the whole thing play out over the last 13,000 years since the last pole shift only to watch it go up in flames right before transformation to 4th density has occured.

The best thing anyone can do is just follow thier own intuition. If your intuition is being filtered through a fear based consciousness, then you have to get over it already in order to see what you should be doing.

If it helps you feel less fear to have emergency supplies around then get them. So what If you never need them. We get them here in Florida every Hurricane season. We have not needed them in 2 years, but having them is peace of mind.
On Monday, Sept 22, the star people contacted me and were very excited. After 200 years of debate, they finally got majority consensus to actively assist us. They will not save us. They will help us. It is up to us to save ourselves. They are going to assist in getting some major threats out of the way so that we can save ourselves. You are correct in your summation Jaguar. They are tired of seeing this planet crash and burn every so often. They want us to get through this one so that we can join the neighborhood and do business with them. They are tired of having to sneak around, get shot at, and screamed at, by Terrans. They want us to know who they are and bring us up to galactic speed. To hold us back, holds them back. This is a win/win for the galaxy. Peace.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:02 PM   #53
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A 200 year debate? Thats one long debate.
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:37 PM   #54
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I am wondering when people will start THINKING!?

I will try to explain in easy words so everyone be able to UNDERSTAND!
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I started typing a response but it wasnt going well.

all i will say is, youre spilling your own lack of planning onto everyone else. do what you feel is righty and quit whining on about how everyone will die within a month if they go to the hills. Why not just stay at home?
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:43 PM   #55
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On Monday, Sept 22, the star people contacted me and were very excited. After 200 years of debate, they finally got majority consensus to actively assist us. They will not save us. They will help us. It is up to us to save ourselves. They are going to assist in getting some major threats out of the way so that we can save ourselves.
Greg
That's only half the quote i know (I'm being environmentally friendly) and excuse me for being a little facetious but if stopping such things as pestilence and nuclear war or other major threats isn't 'INTERVENING' - then what is?

Sounds like we are being helped in a big way to me
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Old 10-06-2008, 03:44 PM   #56
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I have not read all of the posts here but, this is my answer....In the form of a question.

Bill Deagle vs David Wilcock NOW WHAT?

What does your Heart Tell YOU?
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Old 10-06-2008, 04:27 PM   #57
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Yeah well when you're shopping for survival food don't just go for nutritional value. After last apocalyptic warning they had me eating bloody beans for months. I think I'm personally responsible for most of the methane gas released to the atmosphere at that time.

Anyone have any good bean recipes?
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Old 10-06-2008, 04:46 PM   #58
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Bill Deagle, along with HALF PAST HUMAN, point to a beginning of Illuminati-based planned catastrophe on Oct. 7. David Wilcock says NO. NOW WHAT?
Do we just 'wait and see'? Me thinketh it is wise to plan for the worst, even though we hope for the best. Get your emergency supplies now, particularly water, hunker down, and await our fate, while intending for the best.
Of course, the 'sky guys', via the many channelers, have promised no nuclear detonation, no biological releases and other man-made catastrophes will not be allowed via direct intervention from the Galactic Federation... which I certainly hope they can deliver on. It's PUSH COMING TO SHOVE time.
Any comments? Any facts or claims out there to help out?

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I had the feeling that Deagle's probably seen how seriously Project Camelot has taken the WebBot reports about Oct 7th and then had some 'inspired' visions to match...

Wilcock takes his time getting back around to his point but eventually makes a better case. Although when it comes to ET's preventing nuclear bombs, etc, I think that would probably only apply to something like a world wide nuclear war.

ET's didn't stop Hiroshima or Nagasaki,
or the Asian Tsunami, or two World Wars, etc.
A few nukes going off in major cities would seem to be beneath them.

On a human level, nukes simultaneously going off in major cities (as is the 'alQaeda' trademark) may be the trigger/'permission' for a strike on Iran...

However Benjamin Fulford suggests that if anyone nukes Iran then Israel would be nuked by Russia - but that it would go no further, ie. the US and the rest of the world would not go past that brink.

That's about as much as I can hope for at the moment - although I must learn to transcend fear and hope...
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:20 PM   #59
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Hi Greg222,

I think you're right on your strategy. If you're planning a holiday abroad around this time, change your destiny to South America where you get more bang for your buck (but change your money fast!) and take it relatively easy for a few weeks, as I reckon it will be one of the safest places on Earth, after all, Bush has bought a farm in Paraguay, George Greene seems to be high tailing it to Equador and where I am (Brazil) the sun is still shining, in spite of the BOVESPA falling over 16% - but I don't have heavy investments anyway.

of all of the information flying around, the ot zones seem to be the US, Europe, Asia and the 'Third World' countries of Africa.

One thing for sure, either Bill Deagle or David Wilcock will wake up feeling pretty darn stupid on Wednesday morning.

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Bill Deagle, along with HALF PAST HUMAN, point to a beginning of Illuminati-based planned catastrophe on Oct. 7. David Wilcock says NO. NOW WHAT?
Do we just 'wait and see'? Me thinketh it is wise to plan for the worst, even though we hope for the best.
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:28 PM   #60
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There is no "Bill Deagle vs David Wilcock." If you think there is, you're standing too close. Seriously.

Both guys are presenting info they have in the best way they can. You may disagree with their info or their way of presenting it, fine. But there's no need to condemn either of them or accuse them of various stuff just because you don't believe [one of] them.

All these Camelot witnesses are presenting information for you to consider. Use it any way you want. And if you disagree, maybe instead of saying "he's a fraud" or "he's full of sh*t" you could just leave them be and tell us what you believe. There is too much focus on the people instead of on the information.
I dissagree. It is equally important to focus on the people as it is their claimed sources and messages. We will never properly grasp the big picture of the modus operandi of the manipulators without a critical analysis of both the message and the messenger. Note i have said a "critical analysis" and that involves allowing a certain amount of latitude for individual creativity and the mild expression of frustration by posters who dissagree with the style and substance of certain whistleblowers. The original poster was rather hastilly banned from where i stand but i'm only up to post number 35... maybe he posted something worse later.
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:50 PM   #61
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Below is a link to a whole page full of good little videos on how to focus your mind on (therefore create) what you want vs. what you don't want--and I'm fairly sure most here do not want the worse of Deagle's vision, which I'm guessing he is picking up on a tidal wave of fear near him. Also, my 'updated' education clearly indicates we as a group focusing on the same productive desires can in fact overcome minds focused on fear and destruction, because those desires are more in alignment with creation, therefore have more power and support.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RihMs...eature=related

I'm going to re-post the videos on how to relax your mind and body someone here posted elsewhere--because they are REALLY helpful and do put you in a relaxed, peaceful, unworried frame, before you even start the above. The exercise is a great foundation for meditation and is simple and uncomplicated to do. It's six parts (8 min each). Skip to part 6 as it is the complete run through, if you have really limited time:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RihMs...eature=related

A lot of challenges have already been set in motion, true--but we are only limited by our imaginations in how these challenges can be transformed into that which serves us all. And this is a good forum for hammering that out.
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:01 PM   #62
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With all the wonderful things David had to say about Ron Paul I am surprised he didn't mention a possible write-in. Although Ron Paul has said that he was not so sure a write-in would be good and has recently said he supports Chuck Baldwin from the Constitution Party. Baldwin08.com
Hi peaceandlove... What's a 'write in'?

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He has also asked people to not vote the duopoly since he continues to say there is no difference between Obama or McCain and has suggested everyone vote Third Party, thereby sending the message that we are not happy with either the Democrats or the Republicans.

Even if a Third Party doesn't make it in and since it doesn't matter whether it takes away from Obama or McCain, it becomes a statement that 'We the People' want a real choice.

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I agree. The power elite are clearly contemptuous of a voting citizenry who continues to split their votes overwhelmingly between Republicans and Democrats. That's obvious because their agenda roles on regardless of which party gets a turn in office.

At election times, the ONLY way to send a message that you're awake to their scam is to NOT vote for EITHER of the two major parties. Vote EVERY incumbent out of office (except for a tiny few who've proven their credentials) and that will send the message that you are not asleep at the wheel. Even when there is no worthy third choice vote the incumbent out (unless they have a track record of opposing 'business as usual')
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:14 PM   #63
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A 200 year debate? Thats one long debate.
I had a debate with my boss last month (a meeting of such) which lasted 4 hours and about 45 mins in I was begging for Armageddon.

On a more in line with the thread sort of note, I'm not totally convinced by either of those guys. I've watched the available footage a few times over and sorry but both come across as not being with it. Both come across as arrogant and aloof. Mr Deagle comes agross as rather condescending at times. It may just be me as I tend to watch all footage with some apprehension. I try to remain detached and give everyone a full hearing.
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:16 PM   #64
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Re: 'transcending fear and hope' --after thinking about that phrase for a bit, and watching a few 'mind control' lessons based on latest physics breakthroughs, I am translating 'transcending hope' as meaning:
'hoping' indicates your abdication your own power and responsibility and leaving it to some 'outside' force (whether it is God, ET's, or--gasp, some ambitious politician) to change things, which is a big waste of time/energy, and/or leaves you vulnerable to others' less balanced or palatable 'solutions'. Picking up the reins of power and responsibility and working towards the reality which you wish to experience is far more productive and enlightened. That's my 2c, anyway...
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:27 PM   #65
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I agree with going within. The only way OUT is IN....

I was guided to meditate several times a day (6 to be exact) in a heart centered, listening state of being-not asking questions, but listening, which is RECEIVING. That way I can be "downloaded" and access info that I need. That makes sense. I'm doing it...I am going to offer to host a meditation group locally for this purpose as well. What else CAN we do, really, anyway? This is it.

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Old 10-06-2008, 06:31 PM   #66
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[QUOTE=When K does get a word in, Dave gets very grumpy.[/QUOTE]

no, david gets frusterated when kerry tries to put words into his mouth, just as many others put words into david's mouth that he never said. for isntance, too many people feel david supports obama. david has never said he supports obama. he realizes that mccain is a much worse choice than obama. therefore, it's best to pick the lesser of two evils. of course, it would be best to have an honest, sincere candidate. but since this is america, that's obviously not an option
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:39 PM   #67
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Greetings
Please use Your discernment/intuition reading this post.
Total destruction of this planet with nuclear weapons, will not be allowed. The Confederation of Free Planets, The Ashtar Command and others in 5th dimension and above have said that they are going to stop the forces of darkness if they try to destroy this planet.
I`m not trying to be a fear monger here, thou there is going to be much negative stuff happening on this planet in the time to come.
But, they (darkness) will not rule forever, they will loose,. and this planet is going to be free. There will be heaven on Earth (5th dimension)
Regarding 4th dimension and federation, they belong to the darkness. The 4th dimension is a place between Earth (third dimension) and the 5th dimension. This is the place where negative spirits and other negative beings "is doing jail time".
The federation of darkness, the Draco`s, the Grey`s and other negative beings, is going to be expelled from this part of the Universe.
So in a pretty near future, we finally are going to get real peace and freedom.
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:46 PM   #68
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David's right, Deagle's wrong, I'm basing that on my own "intuition" if you will as well as my own strategical assessment. It just wouldn't make sense, only people who want complete destruction are the true believers in this whole "holy war" thing...

Dr. Deagle just blew his proverbial fear-wad. I commend David on him opening up and showing a humble side of himself in relation to how he succumbed as well as over came his own fears in a similar situation in the past.

Panic, Fear, and Confusion. find the source of those and reconcile them & you'll find your peace
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Old 10-06-2008, 08:43 PM   #69
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That's only half the quote i know (I'm being environmentally friendly) and excuse me for being a little facetious but if stopping such things as pestilence and nuclear war or other major threats isn't 'INTERVENING' - then what is?

Sounds like we are being helped in a big way to me
Hello Wellerite. Yes. In a big way that will probably be obvious at times. There was a major faction of the star people who said that because we do not care for ourselves or the planet why care about whether we make it or not. My sense is that in the last 60 years in particular, because there has been so much contact with us, they understand that we are people just like them who have been messed with to the extreme. So they are giving us the benefit of the doubt. Just my take on the situation. Peace.
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Old 10-06-2008, 09:55 PM   #70
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Promise & Good News in Times of Confusion.

There "seem" to be some conflicting reports of future vision, which have been published on the Camelot site - the debate of what is said on Camelot has spread to other large sites on the internet. I would like to offer a positive perspective about what "appears" to be conflicting future visuals, impressions, etc.

My purpose is to encourage those who may be having doubts about any of the current issues at hand.
If you don't have time to read this entire post - please go to the end of this post and read the part which starts with ***.


There are currently - on the planet - common prophecies, future event dreams and visions which are being received by thousands of people. These prophecies, dreams, visions, and insights are occurring in both religious and secular segments of the population. They occur in the midst of those who have been long time "believers" in such things, and they occur in the midst of people who have never as much as "given thought" to such things. These visuals of the future are often completely spontaneous and do not occur during times of meditation or prayer or readings.

When the "cumulative" information - which has been delivered over the last decade - is put together a Long Range Big Picture becomes clear. There is simply no going around it.

Besides the precognition and prophetic insights of these thousands of people - as regards events known publicly and which have already occurred such as the space shuttle, tsunami, twin towers, earthquakes, etc. -- thousands of these same people are also receiving a foretelling that there will be a build up of tension and fear, terrible staged economic failures both in the USA and globally, frightening hardship for the USA and elsewhere, instigated racial uprisings in various parts of the world in which people have seen parts of cities burning an/or closed off, as well as being shown that large populations of people will "groan" in sorrow and agony. In addition, the information indicates famines, fuel shortages, regress of western standard of living, earthquakes where there were no earthquakes anticipated, terrible earthquakes in regions where earthquakes were expected, and upheaval of underwater mountain ranges and plates which will cause inland flooding and extreme changes in land masses.

Looks like a bad picture. BUT -- simultaneously other messages are being delivered and received by these same people as well as thousands of other people - that despite these events which will occur - there will also be a period after some of these events -- of peace within the USA, an improved economy, a period of stability, and a time when jobs will return to the USA and the economy will be strong.

One would ask "How can both of these be accurate? Someone must be off!" "Someone is Deceived."
The answer is actually pretty clear and simple. They are both accurate.

It is like this - when you look at a Very Large Painting - and you look at it
"really close up" you only get to see or focus in on one part of that painting. In that moment of focus you see and experience what is right before you.

This same picture (information) when viewed through the prism of the
Bigger Picture - stepping away from the near site of the canvas - allows us to see that the art work or picture is actually made up of many smaller pictures within that big picture. It is not unlike a monthly calendar put up on a wall where you see only January or February - a few months at a time - and later when you step further away you see that an entire Year - and you see beyond the cold of January and February - you see the full spectrum of spring, summer and beauty of fall.

When all the small vignettes and portions of that picture are viewed together - we see suddenly a very clear and definite whole of the painting.

Often the painting was not at all in its whole what we thought it was in its partial view.

The picture itself - Is Not Dependant on - "who" you are. Nor is it dependant on "what" you believe beforehand. It is about The Picture. It is also about the "portion" of the canvass you were intentionally shown at that moment - for a specific Purpose - Specific To You.

In stepping away even further from the canvas we get to see that what appeared to be a large canvas, was really in itself also a smaller part of even a larger whole. We begin to understand that though the smaller picture was painful - and not happy or comfortable - it actually leads to a positive end in the canvass which is even larger.

I realize that people reading this may well say, "How can massive death be a good thing?" "How can orchestrated financial ruin be a good thing?" "How can instigated racial uprising be good?" "How can earthquakes and volcanoes going off be good?"

Step away from the small picture and you will see it.
These events - just like many events on this planet in prior years, and in prior cycles of times - happened for a reason.

As I write this, there are people who are in the process of coming to terms with the reality of truth given them to speak. Some of these people sit on the sidelines waiting for specific global events to take place before they can speak clearly and concisely a real message of hope and understanding of the events currently at play. They will speak with the point of delivering spiritual truths to help all of us -- so that we may clearly choose whether we want to go the distance spiritually speaking -- or not. There are people waiting for events to occur so that -- we -- can be Ready to hear and be ready to come to a banquet table where those who are starved can come and fill themselves with real food -- if they so Choose.

There is currently a global war going on - whether or not you know it or see it is irrelevant. The war is real and is no different than a gang turf war. The casualty of this turf war -- for a season -- will be the masses and their families, and their finances, and their real estate, and their assets. These are of little consequence to those who play this game and are at war with one another. We would be naive to believe that those who state they will bring "order out of chaos" would not destroy our property. They don't care what happens on the other guy's turf. It does not fit the pattern of their history, but mostly it is naive to believe that "real estate" is more important to them than the Real End Game Goal.

Their end game goal is about something much deeper than something that you can see with your naked eye. Their end game goal is about much more than you can touch with your physical hand.

And so you ask - why aren't people who might speak and bring clarity on the matter not speaking now when it seems that crisis is at the door?

And why does it appear that Dr. Deagle's accurate vision may "seem" wrong?

Why do David and others believe there is another track?

It is clear and simple really. I'm going to give you a few short reasons.


1. Individuals, like Dr. Deagle, who have genuine and authentic concern for people - people they don't even know personally - when seeing what is to come in the future and receive visions and information regarding the future -- also get to "feel" what you who will be effected by these events - Will Feel. They have compassion and sorrow for those they see effected by what is to come. They are touched to the core by the emotion and sorrow of the future, and are shaken in behalf of those, who will experience these events.

Consequently, these people want to warn those who will be affected. It is their job to warn you. They may not have all the words, may not have access to the entire big picture in that moment, but they feel the urgency and need - for you - to know.

Additionally - and sometimes simultaneously - they receive fragments of many other events occurring around the core of original events shown. Sometimes along with seeing what "will be" they also are privy to the "plots that are in play" or soon will "be in play" by those who are at war with one another.

It is sometimes easy to confuse the "time" of the manifestation of the specific events because the "plots in play" concerning these events are real as well.

Additionally, there are events which have been delayed from their "premature manifestation" because prophets spoke out about them in advance, and warned the people about the plots in play.

These people want to warn you out of their compassion for you.
They want to prepare people to be ready - so they are not caught completely unaware.
In their deepest recesses they are thinking, "People will die! There is no getting around this! I will warn everyone and those who need to hear will hear and be spared."
They have hope - that some help may be offered to even a "few" of you - by this information.

And this is "why" some people suddenly get an urge to move, to relocate, and to quit their job.
It is why others suddenly feel the need to get "Mormon like with the pantry" and stock up on food.

Those who need to hear "these specific warnings" will hear them -- and when that specific time event is to take place - these who "heard" will have taken heed and fulfilled their lives in the path that they were to take.

It may be something as simple as hearing that there will be a fuel shortage months ago - and stocking up on some gasoline in the garage - because it "was right for you" - only later to experience the temporary fuel shortages in the south. It may be what seems like a baby step for you. However, it may also be a Large Life Changing - heeding of a warning.

Some people are here to warn us.
We cannot preclude them from doing their job and fulfilling their purpose.
If you are a person who needs to hear the warning - these words by Dr. Deagle will "speak" to your spirit and to your soul."

If they are not for you -- they Will Not resonate within you.

It is not a debate about whether these events will occur or not.
The big picture clearly indicated long ago that these events Will come to fruition - in their time - no differently than a baby is born in its specific manifested time.
Child labor may be delayed - but it cannot be stopped indefinitely.



2. It is a sad fact that many people who are all ears and "curious" about spiritual truths, don't really want to "partake" of these spiritual truths. These people are like teenagers in high school who want to be "in" on some "cool information".

Reality however is that - this is not how matters of truth and spirit law work.
What is coming requires a stance of "all in". However, today, there are many shoppers and lookers.
There are many who view things stated on this site and globally as a joke.

The masses are currently in a place of chosen disbelief, programming, some are boxed in with religious dogma which distracts from spiritual truth.

If those waiting on the sidelines came forward and spoke in public today about what is Really going on around us, beneath us and above us, and by this I mean much more than just Plaidians, and/or government/ET phenomena/reality which scientists and others speak of publicly -- if they spoke about the bigger big picture - and not just portions of the canvas -- most people today would simply not believe it. They would ridicule and mock truth. Others in panic and ignorance or naiveté would have heart attacks and die.

Difficult times, events, and hardships, which are coming are much like when a nut is first cracked.
It takes force to crack a nut. From first appearance it may seem that it is a devastating event.
But when that nut is cracked - the masses who would not have believed - and who would not have chosen to see - will be forced into a place where they can finally put aside their childish immature toys of Ego, Greed, Envy, Ignorance, and Disbelief and be prepared to "hear and receive the truth" which will help them to understand their own real purpose for being here on the planet in the first place.

We cannot and will not come into integration with our Real Endowments until truth and the fullness of truth - which we need to know and absorb -- and must come on an individual basis - is allowed to be freely spoken. Today if someone stood before you and really told you what has been going on, what is coming, and how it will progress - while you are still looking at the tiniest picture possible - the part only having to do with your personal little selfish goals and purposes - you would say, "No Way can This be True."

Truth is not squandered on us - when we can't - or don't have the wherewithal to respect it.

Memory of pre-existent events, knowledge, understanding, integration - Will Occur - from these difficult events of duress and horrors coming. The Real You gets to finally surface out of the confines of your currently -- not all with it -- Mind -- and for some Fractured Soul.



3. There are public voices who speak today for various reasons - these individuals need to have their time. And while not all of them are really about people or helping the masses with ushering in the good things coming - they still are given their "time". Consequently their egos have put them into a sort of unfaithful place which works against the purposes of spiritual truths actually being released at this time. You know it, you feel it. You can't explain the "why" you feel the way you do, but it is why you are drawn to listen to some, and only listen politely to others.

Additionally, there has been little talk and/or recognition of the fact that we are beings with various differing Spirit DNA, yet we are all on the planet together at this time. We don't all originate from the same places. It does not make it a bad thing. It makes it a bit of a different thing. That is why it is a little aggrandized to say that something would not happen without a specific individual knowing about a specific coming event - first.

We are not all privy -- to all of the information -- at all times. This is really a good thing. This serves a purpose. There are various messages that various beings are receiving - because of their specific origins - and the current confusion that we are all to believe that we originate from one place - and that we should all accept as the "only option" of what one group knows to be "their truth" when you may feel that it is not "your truth" -- must be addressed without negativity -- so that the Big Picture can truly be viewed.

It is no different than when many families from various countries in Europe came to the United States of America. It is important to understand this fact - as in understanding the scope and breadth of this - it will help us to work together and come into a greater understanding of how we all fit together in purpose.



4. We just have to speak about things that are - address them - and then move on and leave them behind. This is a biggie so let's not ignore it. There are public voices today who have placed themselves at the head of the "ascension train", and who are actually in competition of all kinds with others who are in their same "field" and are themselves trying to be ahead of the "ascension train".

The truth about all of this is this. Your real teachers will not withhold from you. They will not speak in Spaghetti in ways mysterious to you if you are not on "their level". They will not speak in words which are not understood if you are not in their shoes. Truth is clear. It integrates you with who you are. Real teachers will speak to you clearly, not in shrouded mystery, they will speak to under gird you from beneath you - no differently than one holds a bird in the palm of their hands - and will help give you that boost up into the air so that you can fly on your own. So that you can see on your own. So that you can reintegrate with the fullness of who and what you really are. So that you will finally Know why you came, what you are capable of, and how you can grow Beyond what you were before you came here and went into your current coma. They will not "compete in knowledge and experience" with you or other teachers. They will rejoice in your individual progress. They will not feel threatened. Not everyone is your teacher. Not everyone will feel "akin" to you because of our varying spirit DNA, but this is Not a bad thing.



And so for those who may be feeling sad or confused about all the conflicting statements you have heard in recent days - I would really encourage you to take what applies to you and leave the rest on the table. The rest will come to fruition in its own time. It may also come to fruition outside of your immediate circle of knowledge.

An example of misunderstanding events -- is one very public event which "seemed" to not manifest - but very truly did manifest on the very date it was prophesied and foretold. This is an event that occurred in the 90's. What happened was that churches throughout the United States and elsewhere had received credible prophecy via credible and proven prophets that a huge event was going to take place on June 9th. It was talked about everywhere - this was to be a huge planet changing event. If I remember correctly some respected people gave their own spin on what this event would be. It was spoken of on TV, radio and pulpits.

June 9th came. Nothing massively "seen" happened. Churches and TV speakers were left without explanation of why such an event, with a stated specific date, was spoken of in so many places, by so many people who did not know each other - and yet it seemed that nothing happened on that day.

But it did. In a small village in a country outside of the United States on June 9th, a Huge Event did manifest. It was planet altering. But there were few who actually witnessed it. Again, it was a Huge Spiritual Event which did occur; it was not seen by the masses, nor even by those who prophesied it.
Yet, we have all benefited, and continue to benefit from the events of that day. Unseen to the physical eye it had a huge and significant impact on all of us.



*** October 7th may well be another one of these types of events. A day on which event(s) occur, but which we may not publicly know about in mass - for some time.

One thing we all know - even those who speak publicly of only sunny days ahead - is that absolutely yes there are some bad times coming. Sad times are coming - but there will also be a time of reprieve - and there will also be a time of real solid release of truth which is scheduled for release. These truths will empower us. The release is coming. It is a positive release of truth. I encourage you - do not panic. Know that bad events will happen. Know that we are in the crossfire of a war that has been staged between powers who have controlled the earth for a very long time. These powers are fighting for dominance. The masses, their real estate, property, assets, families, are simply the toys on the board on which they play.

At some point - if not this week - it will happen in another week, month or year - people will die. There is no getting around that. Yet today you have hope, and you have joy - why? Those whom you love those who are important to you - are here today. If you need to make things right with family members, friends, and others - these are things that need to be done now - while you have the opportunity to do so.

The hope is that you do these things now so that you live your day - today and tomorrow - without regret without barriers between you and those you love - so that if you are one who is untouched in days ahead - you may say that all is well within you. And if you are one who will be touched by events in days ahead and the warning Dr. Deagle received is for you or those you love - you will not later sorrow and say, "How I wish I had said how sorry I was." or "How I wish I had made clear my love for him/her." "How I wished I had spent more time loving my child/spouse."

You see it is pointless to worry about the timing of coming events and calamities - as well as the good things to come - when we omit the most important facet of our life - Our Personal Behavior & Personal Responsibility toward those who walk along side of us.

I encourage all of you - if what Dr. Deagle has to say speaks to you - then it is for you - and you will know what to do -- because it is all already within you. He is a trigger for you to open the knowledge you have within you. The timing of these events does not have to be understood publicly. You will understand them within -- and you will act upon them as is appropriate and right -- for you.

If the message and warning was not for you - then you will know it -- and you will go forward and walk with joy in the things that are hand -- for you.

Most importantly let's not get into any debates about whether something is real or true or not because one specific individual did not receive that information. Perhaps it was not for him to receive.
Perhaps his work at hand - is on a completely different route for now.

So let's be encouraged that there is a Power that cares enough about all of us to forewarn, to give foreknowledge and foresight - and let's walk together - in the peace and joy of this knowledge and truth.

Vera Lokteff
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Old 10-06-2008, 10:50 PM   #71
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no, david gets frusterated when kerry tries to put words into his mouth, just as many others put words into david's mouth that he never said. for isntance, too many people feel david supports obama. david has never said he supports obama. he realizes that mccain is a much worse choice than obama. therefore, it's best to pick the lesser of two evils. of course, it would be best to have an honest, sincere candidate. but since this is america, that's obviously not an option
Also (now watch me take hits for saying this) Kerry Interrupts people she is interviewing way too much.
There is no commercial break coming up and it is not a HeadLine News Break so let people TALK....err...Please!

Watch the first set of Bob Dean videos and you will see Bob Dean getting a bit frustrated at this.
He barely had time to finish his point or even to make his point.
He was a gentleman about though.
I like to finish hearing someone's point and not hear it get interrupted then that point was never finished.

There is no rush. Simply allow people to finish what their 'Train of Thought' is and THEN ask the next set of questions.
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Also (now watch me take hits for saying this) Kerry Interrupts people she is interviewing way too much.
There is no commercial break coming up and it is not a HeadLine News Break so let people TALK....err...Please!

Watch the first set of Bob Dean videos and you will see Bob Dean getting a bit frustrated at this.
He barely had time to finish his point or even to make his point.
He was a gentleman about though.
I like to finish hearing someone's point and not hear it get interrupted then that point was never finished.

There is no rush. Simply allow people to finish what their 'Train of Thought' is and THEN ask the next set of questions.

I agree about Kerry interrupting. She also has a tone about her, while doing it that would make some people wanna smack her. You can definitely tell when Kerry has her "favorites". I'm sure Bill was in a state that day, but when I first started watching the Project Camelot videos (and I've watched them all), I was suprised at how clueless and ditzy Kerry seemed. Was almost like "are you kidding me? This cow is interviewing these people?" This of course has changed after she's learned much over the course of her interviews.

I like Kerry, and I'm not trying to badmouth her. These are just previous observations of mine. She should try to remain a little more detached, and not contaminate current interviews w/ so much subject-material from other interviews. Let the interview happen organically, and if there are correlations, so be it. I think she must mention Dan Burisch in every interview conducted.

Let's keep in mind here that while much of what Dan Burish talks about is extremely valuable, he is also part of that compartmentalization of knowledge that these Black Ops people put into practice. He knows what he needs to know, but by no means does he know the big picture, or even how many of the pieces fit together. That's what we're here to do. Observe the information given, and come to our own conclusions.
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I agree ChristineCP. I am also not bad mouthing her either.
She at least is DOING SOMETHING on a grander scale. That is more then I can say about myself.

I am just giving feedback that I believe will help out in the long run.

As you said it best: 'Let the interview happen organically'
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Old 10-08-2008, 05:56 PM   #74
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On the one hand, people bitch about the banksters being bailed out, and on the other hand they pray to be bailed out of the consequences of their mindset by 'benevolent' forces.

Benevolent forces are more intelligent than that. They know that if he who prays to be bailed out was bailed out, he would never change.

Matter of fact, asking to be bailed out is hoping that we can stay as we are but get the benefits of being at another level.

That does not work. Surely you see why.

If humanity was allowed to escape its karmic debt, both personal and global, it would be impeached from moving on.

Humanity wants to be honored for staying stupid or what? Humanity believes something is owed to them, other than the fruit of what they sowed?

The psychic territory will have to be cleansed of anti-humanity before the individual can claim a ticket.

Positive and negative thinking are of no importance if there is no fundamental change in the mind. Hoping the environment will change to fit our desires is just the continued cop out attitude of psychology. Hoping that those forces responsible for the very establishment of karmic laws will suddenly wave them because the ego does not want to play according to the rules, because he does not like the outcome of his apathy, is a great spiritual illusion.

For 'heaven' to help the individual, he must have helped himself first. Wishing that things get changed for us is certainly not helping oneself. And what can be changed is not the others or the environment but the fundamental relationship between the mind and the principles of anti-humanity.

Anti-humanity is any energy that dwells within and that seeks to either create pain to others or to oneself.

So, check what thoughts come to you and you will see that there is much anti-humanity in man. Because if he can think those thoughts, it is because this is the way he vibrates his condition.

Be wary of astral masters.
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Old 10-11-2008, 10:00 AM   #75
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Everyone should photocopy Richard T's post ^^^ and paste it to the refrigerator.

There is a deception in the wind.

Unlike the false hierarchy, the true spiritual brotherhood are not confined to the astral plane and they are not here in an armada of 'UFO's'. They're free in all octaves of reality and they are distinguishable to the discerning mind from their astral imposters.

These spiritual beings can give us the benefit of the subtle influence of their spiritualised mind which they have power to project at will. But they do not promise to whisk us away while the earth is cleansed or to physically restrain the expression of freewill on this planet.

Look upon those who make such promises with the suspicion they deserve.

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