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Old 10-08-2008, 10:53 PM   #351
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Fortunately, for me, I listened to David Wilcock's 10/04 recording ahead of the other 10/04 recordings. But eventually did wind up becoming upset although it may b something physical that I am going through. The font onscreen is so small it is difficult to read but I am very grateful to Vera Lotkoff and dolphin for the encouraging words. Ypur writing is beautiful. I encourage everyone who is upset to read either post on page 13 of this thread.
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Old 10-08-2008, 11:07 PM   #352
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I have to shake my head at those who would place such significance on the dreams, visions, or hallucinations of anyone including there own. Children are frightened by dreams. Obviously the world is in a crisis (some would argue it has always been in a constant state of crisis), however are we to run to dreams and visions for explainations? We might as well be looking at tea leaves, runes, or the entrails of a cat for insight and guidance!
Thats pretty much exactly my point. Why spend so much energy attacking someone for being honest about their visions. I dont look for peoples visions for insight but its all part of this experience. If I disagree i certainly wouldnt express myself in the way that some have done.
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Old 10-08-2008, 11:11 PM   #353
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Kerry and I have received a number of e-mails from people reporting similar visions. One of them was from a military serviceman who wrote his message to us while in tears. He had seen exactly the same thing. Kerry had seen something similar, also - a number of weeks ago.

There seems to be something happening here. There looks to be a very impactful and vivid event - which may or may not transpire [note the implicit paradox] - and which is capturing many people's attention.

With very best wishes,

Bill
Yes, and I have had the same from a future angle. I'd like to share it with you.

I was making my way along a familiar old route near Pittsburgh, along Rt. 65 carrying a long wooden pole to search underwater for holes & obstructions as I waded in thigh-deep murky waters. I remember hearing what sounded like a loud incoming turbine whoosh up in the sky and turning to look, i vividly remember seeing 2 helicopters and an f-18 jet tumbling in unison as if an invisible force-field held the group together as they flew ballistically, with no lift, just falling from the sky. The rotor blades from the blackhawk-type helo were also tumbling apparently blown off from a hit. The other helo was actually upside-down and debris from a larger unidentifiable aircraft was mixed in with the other aircraft. There were smoke streamers from a section of fuselage and from the shattered helo but the whole mess continued still invisibly linked together as they fell out of sight beyond the far bank of the Ohio river.

I remembered thinking that advanced weapons (alien?) had control over the whole mess and a few other exhausted, starving people near me were in shock and amazed. I consoled them by saying that "they" weren't after us as we were unarmed and on foot. I continued along the river looking for certain machine parts for a generator and was approaching my destination only to find the 6-story building mostly destroyed and still smouldering. After climbing to the top remaining floor, some other survivors were camped up there and they offered me some food and water and some conversation. I hadn't seen any kids under about 10 years old all day but here was a sanctuary of sorts and several healthy looking kids were playing and running around in ragged dirty clothes playing tag.

An old man with a large dirty beard grinned at me and I sat down to converse. At this time being invited somewhere was not the usual result of meeting strangers so I was encouraged to find a little civility in this after-war era. "you from the suburbs?" the man asked. "Yes", I responded taking a seat at his fire. "Looking for parts, eh?" he asked. Again I responded in the affirmative. "What do you have?" he asked. I pulled from my ragged raincoat a rare bottle of white wine and began to fish out the cork with my pocketknife. "Ahh, take anything you can carry, this is my place and now it is your place too."

I gave him the first swig on the bottle and asked him if these were his kids and he said they were all a family who lived in this building but were not related except for the need to have a home. "They didn't get this far eh?" I asked indicating the green camo uniform an older boy was wearing. "No, they stopped at the bridge and turned around" he replied, speaking of the loose contingent of soldiers that remained in the area. He tried to convince me to stay by telling me that I wouldn't make it back to where I came from and that they could use the help as there were still raiders in the night from the next building down the road.

I thanked him for the warmth of his fire and the pleasure of his company but explained that I had to find the parts for the generator and return to the north suburbs. He immediately called the older boys over to escort me up to the flooded part of 65 where "you are on your own from there" he warned. I rose to resume my journey over to the next warehouse down the road in this formerly industrial district. At the water's edge the boys were telling of the "unseen forces" that control the skies and that already myths & superstitions had proved more reliable than the societal controls that used to exist.

I remembered that there were no bridges to speak of, and that the inner city of Pittsburgh was burned and destroyed and there was no reason to think of going there. I was approaching 15 miles from home and I promised our survival group that I wouldn't venture any further even if I couldn't find the parts we needed. The next building was my last attempt to find the ignition parts and I waded into chest-deep water passing a mostly submerged car, feeling my way along with the pole. I turned to look back at the survivors numbering about 20 who had annexed the old building and they waved goodbye.

The dream repeated in parts for the next few days allowing me to see and remember some interesting things about this time. There were only a few cars littering the interstate, indicating that nukes had been detonated during a time of light traffic, probably late at night. The hillsides were covered in lush greenery which provided good cover that I used well to travel. Moving slowly was key - if some scared people saw anyone running they would shoot you. I traveled without a firearm but with several edged weapons that were concealed in my clothes. My appearance was designed to be non-threatening and my clothes were configured for sleeping in. The older people I saw had burn wounds on their faces and hands that had not yet healed. Cordiality and modesty was the best defense against assault but I wasn't afraid of anyone at this point.

Except the soldiers. They weren't Americans anymore. They may have been born there, but they considered us survivors as defiant non-serving ghosts who were good for target practice, information, and occasionally tobacco. No gunshots were heard - this would give away the position of an armed person and they would be targeted by nearly everyone in the area. Only a rich fool would advertise in this way! A man's honor & dedication to their group was the only currency in that world. I remember being praised by the old man on the building for taking such a large risk when there wasn't even any gasoline to run the generator even if I found the parts we needed. Of course, I didn't correct him.

Hoarding and not advertising was the smart play. I encountered several more teenagers in the woods who exhibited respect but like lions on the plain watched me very carefully as I feigned a limp and a persistent cough even when I wasn't feeling like I was being watched. The entirety of humanity had been pushed back to the beginning of the Iron Age with hulking silhouettes of shattered buildings everywhere. There were few people and even fewer women that were visible, having taken shelter to avoid desecration, rape, and being robbed. There was no electricity, no running water, no commerce, no vehicles. The only activity was people walking dazed and starving, searching for whatever they could eat. It was so bad that they didn't even beg for food. Except for the military aircraft falling from the sky on the first day of my journey, there was no working technology anywhere and therefore, no class to envy.

The hidden slavery of our race was abolished through attrition and individuals worked not for themselves but for their group and for higher purposes. There was, however, a pervasive feeling that humans were not alone and that we would survive with a powerful lesson learned that needed to be passed on through the succeeding generations forever. Sadness was both pervasive and hidden when new people were met.

This dream I believed was a possible future and one that wasn't all that bad. Once the rulers were taken away, a purpose for life became something important and without the former distractions of our current lifestyles, was religion unto itself.
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:02 AM   #354
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Truth is truth. Lies are lies. Deagles's dream was just a dream. Dan B. is a proven fraud which requires no great intuitive talent to discover. We shouldn't think with our guts or feelings we should think with our brains.
Show me Dan B. is a fraud.
I'll await your response.

My gut feeling is you are short sighted on this one.

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Old 10-09-2008, 12:06 AM   #355
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(My guess is that you did not read this before making your snap judgement. Please let me know if I am wrong.)
Respectfully, I'm sorry but you are wrong. I have read, watched, and listened to much of what there is to be found (to my knowledge) on Dan B. My opinion of him differs from yours for reasons more than just the UFO Magazine articles or their mention on that website however damning those might be.
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:10 AM   #356
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Respectfully, I'm sorry but you are wrong. I have read, watched, and listened to much of what there is to be found (to my knowledge) on Dan B. My opinion of him differs from yours for reasons more than just the UFO Magazine articles or their mention on that website however damning those might be.
I am extremely well versed on these subjects here as well.
And I see no proof he is a fraud. Actually, I don't see anything close him being a fraud. So unless you have a logical explanation behind your accusation there is no reason for you saying that about him.

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Old 10-09-2008, 12:27 AM   #357
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There are no skeptics on here.

There are people who will believe every single thing, and people that step back and think about it....perhaps just requiring a shred of evidence from time to time.

I've made my feelings on Deagle clear, my "inner truth" tells me to steer clear.

Does that make me a skeptic? I don't think it does.

I just don't believe everything that I read and hear.
I was thinking maybe your "inner truth" is right. I think what may be happening here is, Dan is telling the truth as he knows it on his level of the pyramid. Your "inner truth" may be telling you that not all of what he says is correct but its what Dan believes to be true. Same with every whistleblower.


"If anyone knew the WHOLE truth they would be in a straight jacket in a padded room somewhere".
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:40 AM   #358
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Show me Dan B. is a fraud.
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A George Knapp and UFO Magazine investigation did that several years ago. Both are referenced in the following links:

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/burischdirtbag.html
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jrod.html
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:47 AM   #359
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Why spend so much energy attacking someone for being honest about their visions.
Well there is the problem of people yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater. I'd say the world situation equates to a oversold theater. I just question the wisdom of taking such things (dreams, visions, night-terrors) too seriously or encouraging anyone else to do so.

The world needs voices of reason and calm right now. We need visions of hope and peace.
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Old 10-09-2008, 02:28 AM   #360
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Well there is the problem of people yelling "Fire" in a crowded theater.
I'd say the world situation equates to a oversold theater.

The world needs voices of reason and calm right now. We need visions of hope and peace.
If that is your "vision", feel free to it.

Mine is to scream on the top of my lungs:

!!!!!!!! FIRE !!!!!!!!

In the <much> bigger picture (Visions and stuff combined with infinity.), I will have peace on the long term, once I get out of this local and contemporary lunatic asylum where the violent insane have incited the non-violent to do the crimes by making all think that they have no other choice (Besides that one is not on the "team" and thus belonging to the opposite team.) then to save the honor and the glory of the ward/floor they are institutionalized in...

.(Still haven't heard that phone call, I guess I can forget hearing it. Thanks for posting it on rapidshare.)
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Old 10-09-2008, 03:16 AM   #361
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A George Knapp and UFO Magazine investigation did that several years ago. Both are referenced in the following links:

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/burischdirtbag.html
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jrod.html
That may be proof for you. Not for me.
Thanks for posting that though.
I do appreciate perspective.

Peace'
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Old 10-09-2008, 12:49 PM   #362
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That may be proof for you. Not for me.
I have no reason to doubt the credibility of the UFO Magazine and George Knapp investigations and findings. If you have good reasons for doing so I'd like to see them.

In the consideration of these matters probability has to be taken into account. While all things are possible not all things are probable. Occam's Razor says the more prosaic explanation of Dan B. is the most likely of the two.
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