IMPORTANT: Phone Call from Bill Deagle

[THE PEACEFUL WARRIOR]

Originally Posted by Carol

Love your post. Thank you

Hi Carol,
My absolute pleasure and thankyou for your kind words...

Hope you and all are having a lovely, peaceful and happy day.

If your in comms with Bill and Kerry please, please give them my best and tell them that they are doing a grand job.

As an Avalon Moddy do you have any news on the upcoming posting of the interview with Bob Dean?

Also have Bill and Kerry managed to contact George Green or others like Benjamin Fulford for their feedback about Dr Deagle?

By the way exactly where are Fulford and his 10,000 Ninjas when you need em eh?

Big Love to all Avalonians

Word Up - PEACE OUT

[Ampgod]

Originally Posted by bill

DJIA is now down over 500 points


Deagle said the events would be triggered by financial crisis

you can watch the free fall here


http://www.kitco.com/


bottom right of page

We didn't need Dr.Deagle to tell us this was happening.
We already knew this.
We also have free will and can change our future at any moment.
So, I doubt he sees the future with any certainty whatsoever.


Peace,
Ampgod

[THE PEACEFUL WARRIOR]

The question surely is...when they write the history books on these times...will they call this, the day the markets began their mega plunge "THE DEAGLE DROP"!

Haha lol, just saw PA member Steve post on another thread that the markets could be "doing a Deagle".

Ohhhh guy's and gal's U gotta laugh and giggle coz we gotta keep the humour ratcheted up on here!

PEACE OUT ...And I Smile x

Promise & Good News in Times of Confusion.

There "seem" to be some conflicting reports of future vision, which have been published on the Camelot site - the debate of what is said on Camelot has spread to other large sites on the internet. I would like to offer a positive perspective about what "appears" to be conflicting future visuals, impressions, etc.

My purpose is to encourage those who may be having doubts about any of the current issues at hand.
If you don't have time to read this entire post - please go to the end of this post and read the part which starts with ***.


There are currently - on the planet - common prophecies, future event dreams and visions which are being received by thousands of people. These prophecies, dreams, visions, and insights are occurring in both religious and secular segments of the population. They occur in the midst of those who have been long time "believers" in such things, and they occur in the midst of people who have never as much as "given thought" to such things. These visuals of the future are often completely spontaneous and do not occur during times of meditation or prayer or readings.

When the "cumulative" information - which has been delivered over the last decade - is put together a Long Range Big Picture becomes clear. There is simply no going around it.

Besides the precognition and prophetic insights of these thousands of people - as regards events known publicly and which have already occurred such as the space shuttle, tsunami, twin towers, earthquakes, etc. -- thousands of these same people are also receiving a foretelling that there will be a build up of tension and fear, terrible staged economic failures both in the USA and globally, frightening hardship for the USA and elsewhere, instigated racial uprisings in various parts of the world in which people have seen parts of cities burning an/or closed off, as well as being shown that large populations of people will "groan" in sorrow and agony. In addition, the information indicates famines, fuel shortages, regress of western standard of living, earthquakes where there were no earthquakes anticipated, terrible earthquakes in regions where earthquakes were expected, and upheaval of underwater mountain ranges and plates which will cause inland flooding and extreme changes in land masses.

Looks like a bad picture. BUT -- simultaneously other messages are being delivered and received by these same people as well as thousands of other people - that despite these events which will occur - there will also be a period after some of these events -- of peace within the USA, an improved economy, a period of stability, and a time when jobs will return to the USA and the economy will be strong.

One would ask "How can both of these be accurate? Someone must be off!" "Someone is Deceived."
The answer is actually pretty clear and simple. They are both accurate.

It is like this - when you look at a Very Large Painting - and you look at it
"really close up" you only get to see or focus in on one part of that painting. In that moment of focus you see and experience what is right before you.

This same picture (information) when viewed through the prism of the
Bigger Picture - stepping away from the near site of the canvas - allows us to see that the art work or picture is actually made up of many smaller pictures within that big picture. It is not unlike a monthly calendar put up on a wall where you see only January or February - a few months at a time - and later when you step further away you see that an entire Year - and you see beyond the cold of January and February - you see the full spectrum of spring, summer and beauty of fall.

When all the small vignettes and portions of that picture are viewed together - we see suddenly a very clear and definite whole of the painting.

Often the painting was not at all in its whole what we thought it was in its partial view.

The picture itself - Is Not Dependant on - "who" you are. Nor is it dependant on "what" you believe beforehand. It is about The Picture. It is also about the "portion" of the canvass you were intentionally shown at that moment - for a specific Purpose - Specific To You.

In stepping away even further from the canvas we get to see that what appeared to be a large canvas, was really in itself also a smaller part of even a larger whole. We begin to understand that though the smaller picture was painful - and not happy or comfortable - it actually leads to a positive end in the canvass which is even larger.

I realize that people reading this may well say, "How can massive death be a good thing?" "How can orchestrated financial ruin be a good thing?" "How can instigated racial uprising be good?" "How can earthquakes and volcanoes going off be good?"

Step away from the small picture and you will see it.
These events - just like many events on this planet in prior years, and in prior cycles of times - happened for a reason.

As I write this, there are people who are in the process of coming to terms with the reality of truth given them to speak. Some of these people sit on the sidelines waiting for specific global events to take place before they can speak clearly and concisely a real message of hope and understanding of the events currently at play. They will speak with the point of delivering spiritual truths to help all of us -- so that we may clearly choose whether we want to go the distance spiritually speaking -- or not. There are people waiting for events to occur so that -- we -- can be Ready to hear and be ready to come to a banquet table where those who are starved can come and fill themselves with real food -- if they so Choose.

There is currently a global war going on - whether or not you know it or see it is irrelevant. The war is real and is no different than a gang turf war. The casualty of this turf war -- for a season -- will be the masses and their families, and their finances, and their real estate, and their assets. These are of little consequence to those who play this game and are at war with one another. We would be naive to believe that those who state they will bring "order out of chaos" would not destroy our property. They don't care what happens on the other guy's turf. It does not fit the pattern of their history, but mostly it is naive to believe that "real estate" is more important to them than the Real End Game Goal.

Their end game goal is about something much deeper than something that you can see with your naked eye. Their end game goal is about much more than you can touch with your physical hand.

And so you ask - why aren't people who might speak and bring clarity on the matter not speaking now when it seems that crisis is at the door?

And why does it appear that Dr. Deagle's accurate vision may "seem" wrong?

Why do David and others believe there is another track?

It is clear and simple really. I'm going to give you a few short reasons.


1. Individuals, like Dr. Deagle, who have genuine and authentic concern for people - people they don't even know personally - when seeing what is to come in the future and receive visions and information regarding the future -- also get to "feel" what you who will be effected by these events - Will Feel. They have compassion and sorrow for those they see effected by what is to come. They are touched to the core by the emotion and sorrow of the future, and are shaken in behalf of those, who will experience these events.

Consequently, these people want to warn those who will be affected. It is their job to warn you. They may not have all the words, may not have access to the entire big picture in that moment, but they feel the urgency and need - for you - to know.

Additionally - and sometimes simultaneously - they receive fragments of many other events occurring around the core of original events shown. Sometimes along with seeing what "will be" they also are privy to the "plots that are in play" or soon will "be in play" by those who are at war with one another.

It is sometimes easy to confuse the "time" of the manifestation of the specific events because the "plots in play" concerning these events are real as well.

Additionally, there are events which have been delayed from their "premature manifestation" because prophets spoke out about them in advance, and warned the people about the plots in play.

These people want to warn you out of their compassion for you.
They want to prepare people to be ready - so they are not caught completely unaware.
In their deepest recesses they are thinking, "People will die! There is no getting around this! I will warn everyone and those who need to hear will hear and be spared."
They have hope - that some help may be offered to even a "few" of you - by this information.

And this is "why" some people suddenly get an urge to move, to relocate, and to quit their job.
It is why others suddenly feel the need to get "Mormon like with the pantry" and stock up on food.

Those who need to hear "these specific warnings" will hear them -- and when that specific time event is to take place - these who "heard" will have taken heed and fulfilled their lives in the path that they were to take.

It may be something as simple as hearing that there will be a fuel shortage months ago - and stocking up on some gasoline in the garage - because it "was right for you" - only later to experience the temporary fuel shortages in the south. It may be what seems like a baby step for you. However, it may also be a Large Life Changing - heeding of a warning.

Some people are here to warn us.
We cannot preclude them from doing their job and fulfilling their purpose.
If you are a person who needs to hear the warning - these words by Dr. Deagle will "speak" to your spirit and to your soul."

If they are not for you -- they Will Not resonate within you.

It is not a debate about whether these events will occur or not.
The big picture clearly indicated long ago that these events Will come to fruition - in their time - no differently than a baby is born in its specific manifested time.
Child labor may be delayed - but it cannot be stopped indefinitely.



2. It is a sad fact that many people who are all ears and "curious" about spiritual truths, don't really want to "partake" of these spiritual truths. These people are like teenagers in high school who want to be "in" on some "cool information".

Reality however is that - this is not how matters of truth and spirit law work.
What is coming requires a stance of "all in". However, today, there are many shoppers and lookers.
There are many who view things stated on this site and globally as a joke.

The masses are currently in a place of chosen disbelief, programming, some are boxed in with religious dogma which distracts from spiritual truth.

If those waiting on the sidelines came forward and spoke in public today about what is Really going on around us, beneath us and above us, and by this I mean much more than just Plaidians, and/or government/ET phenomena/reality which scientists and others speak of publicly -- if they spoke about the bigger big picture - and not just portions of the canvas -- most people today would simply not believe it. They would ridicule and mock truth. Others in panic and ignorance or naiveté would have heart attacks and die.

Difficult times, events, and hardships, which are coming are much like when a nut is first cracked.
It takes force to crack a nut. From first appearance it may seem that it is a devastating event.
But when that nut is cracked - the masses who would not have believed - and who would not have chosen to see - will be forced into a place where they can finally put aside their childish immature toys of Ego, Greed, Envy, Ignorance, and Disbelief and be prepared to "hear and receive the truth" which will help them to understand their own real purpose for being here on the planet in the first place.

We cannot and will not come into integration with our Real Endowments until truth and the fullness of truth - which we need to know and absorb -- and must come on an individual basis - is allowed to be freely spoken. Today if someone stood before you and really told you what has been going on, what is coming, and how it will progress - while you are still looking at the tiniest picture possible - the part only having to do with your personal little selfish goals and purposes - you would say, "No Way can This be True."

Truth is not squandered on us - when we can't - or don't have the wherewithal to respect it.

Memory of pre-existent events, knowledge, understanding, integration - Will Occur - from these difficult events of duress and horrors coming. The Real You gets to finally surface out of the confines of your currently -- not all with it -- Mind -- and for some Fractured Soul.



3. There are public voices who speak today for various reasons - these individuals need to have their time. And while not all of them are really about people or helping the masses with ushering in the good things coming - they still are given their "time". Consequently their egos have put them into a sort of unfaithful place which works against the purposes of spiritual truths actually being released at this time. You know it, you feel it. You can't explain the "why" you feel the way you do, but it is why you are drawn to listen to some, and only listen politely to others.

Additionally, there has been little talk and/or recognition of the fact that we are beings with various differing Spirit DNA, yet we are all on the planet together at this time. We don't all originate from the same places. It does not make it a bad thing. It makes it a bit of a different thing. That is why it is a little aggrandized to say that something would not happen without a specific individual knowing about a specific coming event - first.

We are not all privy -- to all of the information -- at all times. This is really a good thing. This serves a purpose. There are various messages that various beings are receiving - because of their specific origins - and the current confusion that we are all to believe that we originate from one place - and that we should all accept as the "only option" of what one group knows to be "their truth" when you may feel that it is not "your truth" -- must be addressed without negativity -- so that the Big Picture can truly be viewed.

It is no different than when many families from various countries in Europe came to the United States of America. It is important to understand this fact - as in understanding the scope and breadth of this - it will help us to work together and come into a greater understanding of how we all fit together in purpose.



4. We just have to speak about things that are - address them - and then move on and leave them behind. This is a biggie so let's not ignore it. There are public voices today who have placed themselves at the head of the "ascension train", and who are actually in competition of all kinds with others who are in their same "field" and are themselves trying to be ahead of the "ascension train".

The truth about all of this is this. Your real teachers will not withhold from you. They will not speak in Spaghetti in ways mysterious to you if you are not on "their level". They will not speak in words which are not understood if you are not in their shoes. Truth is clear. It integrates you with who you are. Real teachers will speak to you clearly, not in shrouded mystery, they will speak to under gird you from beneath you - no differently than one holds a bird in the palm of their hands - and will help give you that boost up into the air so that you can fly on your own. So that you can see on your own. So that you can reintegrate with the fullness of who and what you really are. So that you will finally Know why you came, what you are capable of, and how you can grow Beyond what you were before you came here and went into your current coma. They will not "compete in knowledge and experience" with you or other teachers. They will rejoice in your individual progress. They will not feel threatened. Not everyone is your teacher. Not everyone will feel "akin" to you because of our varying spirit DNA, but this is Not a bad thing.



And so for those who may be feeling sad or confused about all the conflicting statements you have heard in recent days - I would really encourage you to take what applies to you and leave the rest on the table. The rest will come to fruition in its own time. It may also come to fruition outside of your immediate circle of knowledge.

An example of misunderstanding events -- is one very public event which "seemed" to not manifest - but very truly did manifest on the very date it was prophesied and foretold. This is an event that occurred in the 90's. What happened was that churches throughout the United States and elsewhere had received credible prophecy via credible and proven prophets that a huge event was going to take place on June 9th. It was talked about everywhere - this was to be a huge planet changing event. If I remember correctly some respected people gave their own spin on what this event would be. It was spoken of on TV, radio and pulpits.

June 9th came. Nothing massively "seen" happened. Churches and TV speakers were left without explanation of why such an event, with a stated specific date, was spoken of in so many places, by so many people who did not know each other - and yet it seemed that nothing happened on that day.

But it did. In a small village in a country outside of the United States on June 9th, a Huge Event did manifest. It was planet altering. But there were few who actually witnessed it. Again, it was a Huge Spiritual Event which did occur; it was not seen by the masses, nor even by those who prophesied it.
Yet, we have all benefited, and continue to benefit from the events of that day. Unseen to the physical eye it had a huge and significant impact on all of us.



*** October 7th may well be another one of these types of events. A day on which event(s) occur, but which we may not publicly know about in mass - for some time.

One thing we all know - even those who speak publicly of only sunny days ahead - is that absolutely yes there are some bad times coming. Sad times are coming - but there will also be a time of reprieve - and there will also be a time of real solid release of truth which is scheduled for release. These truths will empower us. The release is coming. It is a positive release of truth. I encourage you - do not panic. Know that bad events will happen. Know that we are in the crossfire of a war that has been staged between powers who have controlled the earth for a very long time. These powers are fighting for dominance. The masses, their real estate, property, assets, families, are simply the toys on the board on which they play.

At some point - if not this week - it will happen in another week, month or year - people will die. There is no getting around that. Yet today you have hope, and you have joy - why? Those whom you love those who are important to you - are here today. If you need to make things right with family members, friends, and others - these are things that need to be done now - while you have the opportunity to do so.

The hope is that you do these things now so that you live your day - today and tomorrow - without regret without barriers between you and those you love - so that if you are one who is untouched in days ahead - you may say that all is well within you. And if you are one who will be touched by events in days ahead and the warning Dr. Deagle received is for you or those you love - you will not later sorrow and say, "How I wish I had said how sorry I was." or "How I wish I had made clear my love for him/her." "How I wished I had spent more time loving my child/spouse."

You see it is pointless to worry about the timing of coming events and calamities - as well as the good things to come - when we omit the most important facet of our life - Our Personal Behavior & Personal Responsibility toward those who walk along side of us.

I encourage all of you - if what Dr. Deagle has to say speaks to you - then it is for you - and you will know what to do -- because it is all already within you. He is a trigger for you to open the knowledge you have within you. The timing of these events does not have to be understood publicly. You will understand them within -- and you will act upon them as is appropriate and right -- for you.

If the message and warning was not for you - then you will know it -- and you will go forward and walk with joy in the things that are hand -- for you.

Most importantly let's not get into any debates about whether something is real or true or not because one specific individual did not receive that information. Perhaps it was not for him to receive.
Perhaps his work at hand - is on a completely different route for now.

So let's be encouraged that there is a Power that cares enough about all of us to forewarn, to give foreknowledge and foresight - and let's walk together - in the peace and joy of this knowledge and truth.

VL

[sunnyrap]

This is just a FWIW: I stumbled onto this researching an entirely different subject, but it immediately brought Dr. Deagle's dream to mind:

Here's the page it originated from: http://www.edenseve.net/mmm.htm%20th...the%20wood.htm
It's an intriguing story that may have connections to the current larger picture:

*****

To: Majestic-12, Washington, DC From: Col. [Blacked Out], USAF Flight Commander S4, Area 51 Code name: DREAMLAND TS "Majic Q" Clearance-Star-Raker Abduction Experience Classification By : Dr. Richard D. Butler

The following is a brief description of the most commonly reported abduction experience types. It is intended to provide a standard of classification in abduction research. [AE-1] LUCID DREAM This is a lucid dream experience generated internally by the subjects subconscious. There is no Human/ET (Extra-Terrestrial) interaction at any level. They are usually grandiose in nature and lack a logical progression. [AE-2] TECHNO/TELEPATHIC LUCID DREAM These are lucid dream experiences internally generated by external forces. It is ET in origin and accomplished by technologically enhanced psychic intrusion of the subjects subconscious. The subject reports the disassociation or collapse of a normal dream and the insertion of a scenario or message which enhances certain ideals or beliefs. If the subject awakens immediately after they report a circle of glowing whitish colored energy on the ceiling, approx.. 2-3 ft. in diameter. A shaft of the same energy is slowly retracting back into the circle. This shaft is approx.. 3-6in. diameter and 2.5-4ft. long. [AE-3] PSY/BIO ENERGY FIELD EXTRACTION This experience involves the extraction of a conscious energy field from the subjects body. It should not be confused with naturally occurring OBEE phenomena as separation is externally induced. The technology employs the use of a white or bluish-white colored extraction beam. Subjects describe a feeling of deep penetration of this beam throughout their body, followed by the sensation of an irresistible or attractive force. The extracted field maintains cohesion and is capable of perceiving stimuli at a greatly enhanced level. Perceptions include 360 degree sight and sensory feedback at the molecular and even atomic level. Experiences seem to focus around communications and reinsertion of the bio-field into a humanoid body other than the original. It is this type of abduction that accounts for the severe missing time memory failure in some cases. Since the subjects brain is not physically present the memories are not hard written. There does appear to be a shadow memory effect that can retain the memories of the events in some type of energy memory matrix within the subjects bio-field. Full understanding of this process could lead to breakthroughs in education and learning technologies.

[Average Joe]

Originally Posted by THE PEACEFUL WARRIOR

The question surely is...when they write the history books on these times...will they call this, the day the markets began their mega plunge "THE DEAGLE DROP"!

Haha lol, just saw PA member Steve post on another thread that the markets could be "doing a Deagle".

Ohhhh guy's and gal's U gotta laugh and giggle coz we gotta keep the humour ratcheted up on here!

PEACE OUT ...And I Smile x

Deagle Drop my ***.

Loads of people have been predicting a market crash for months, some explicitly naming October 7th.

So if it transpires, Deagle gets the credit for it does he? Not in my book.

[Chiel]

What if nothing happens, 7-, 14- and in October? They will say, nothing happened because we made it public. Can I and do I trust these visions and performances after that? This is a hard issue.. giving people mm 'news'.
But it's better than the mainstream news. By the way I'm a very positive thinking guy. Let's see what happens.

[Ali Quadir]

Originally Posted by undetected

Let's say he would. Let's suppose Bill Deagle was a target of a psychic attack [although I don't believe it]. Putting aside the minor things, let's follow the "scary" nuke threat. 2 options:
1. He got a nuke vision and it will happen.
2. He got a nuke vision and it will not happen.

In the 1st case, the negative effect of fear and the positive effect of warning pretty much balance each other. That is IF you surrender to fear.

True. But if the vision happens, it's not really an attack, it's more of a warning. We shall know today... The 7th has arrived :P LoveLight is celebrating her birthday today

In the 2nd case it would be only about the fear.
I don't know how about you, but my impression is that the fear thing didn't work much.

The first responses to the message were denials... This cushioned the blow. And the phonecall with David Wilcock put the whole thing in perspective. It could have been worse.

Sure people felt it the first moments, but it was more like initial shock. Everyone on the forum has been advising against fear and I don't think there's much of it left now. I actually feel more positive than 2 days ago.

I am very happy for that... And it goes for me too That which does not kill us makes us stronger. And the truth is that those psychic attacks are no big deals. If you recognize them and take countermeasures. Like some marvelous people did. I remember Thunderbird joking around. He was talking about rainbows ejaculating butterflies and changing timelines... Today at work on the 14th floor long after the butterfly season. We had one in the office. That never happened before not even during the season you'd expect them. So lady synchronicity is clearly in the saddle and doing her stuff. (Either that or the man is a magician )

This forum's community is too strong to be broken by such faint attempts for manipulation. There are many individuals who cannot be shaken and they are able to help the rest.

I have the same feeling I also have the feeling that the dark side is growing weaker. I'm not that worried. In this case we are the tsunami of butterflies and giggles..

One more note. We are NOT Bill & Kerry's "followers." We're individuals. We don't just buy everything they say. It's not like "normal" people consuming everything the TV tells them. We read their information and evaluate it on our own. At least most of us are easily capable of that. And I'm sure Bill & Kerry wouldn't want it any other way.

I never claimed that. But they are focal points of our attention. If something happens to them.. We all know about it very quickly... If something happens to me.. You'd probably never know.... I know we're individuals... Very much so... lol

Oh and... one of the things that really lifted my mind lately, posted in another thread here, was this: http://www.soulwise.net/et-101.htm
If you're feeling a bit too gloomy, check this out.

Thank you for your kind concern and I will check it out Do not worry about me. I'm fine.. I must admit I had a shock listening to the interview. But I didn't really believe it. I was one of the deniers. I was much more worried about the impact it seemed to be having. I'm in Europe so my health is not on the line on this specific situation. If the US gets hurt we get hurt of course. But it wasn't a direct threat to me.

I just think it's wise to keep all this in mind. It's not something to fear. If you're playing soccer as a keeper you don't fear the ball. But you do keep it in mind and prepare for it. It's part of the game. There is no sense in not realizing that these things can happen.

Namaste

[J_rod7]

The last thing we need, is FEAR.

Hold to the vision, your own personal vision, which brings a sense of peace.

My own is:
'Float in the Air, looking up at the bottoms of the Clouds; float Down and gently Down, watching the Clouds slowly recede above; become Aware of Canyon walls along both sides, a waterfall in gentle cascade on the sunny side, rainbows play in the spray. Be aware where you land is Green and Soft, there are Gentle Beings of Light here, they are happy to see You. Continue on your Journey from here... '

**http://www.theyfly.com/

[Shechaiyah]

Fear is better than hate.

And even misplaced Faith is better than cynicism.


Shech--

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Molly

Citizen observation here:

from Sav, GA
Just saw Homeland Security vehicles, with County 'explosives' detection SUV's...about four of them....gassing up at the corner store.

Two were white "Federal protection vehicle", which I've never laid eyes on, with the HSD seal on the side....blond agent downing a convenience store sandwich with processed meat (yuck).

I saw them going East, possibly toward I-16 and ATL. My brother lives there and I am worried sick about him in that mess. Partly because I Heard the CDC moved a lot of its files to another location already.

Just wanted to give a heads-up. I think we all know things could happen, and we pray and visualize that it won't.

NC, Charlotte, Saw a convoy of 3 or 4 Tracktor Trailors with blazing signals go south on I-77 Early this morning.... To dark to read any seals or signs.. And I was on the other side of the concrete divider Going North.

Something is definitly up.

[shanonatime]

Originally Posted by Darren Swisher

Bill, I have had very similar feelings (I have not honed yet) Something big is about to happen, Most if not all of my friends think i am crazy. Hell, I think I am crazy. But i keep being gravitated toward people that hang out in the forums. Having a hard time sleeping, Reading a lot more.

I am with you there...so many images... not really understood... do understand my unconscious as well as collective unconscious is always on a mission trying to tell me things in the images i do see... if that makes sense... i keep trying to call my family and they hang up on me. My anxiety and depression and all that good stuff has been quite out of control lately, and I have been very sick since the weekend. i'm very uneasy right now and wish i could ease the paranoia.

[shanonatime]

Bill, in the last six months or so from you, I have learned to question the rain in my hair... I do mean that as a compliment...

I have to learn balance... come to think of it that was a strong symbol in a dream the other night... besisdes all of the scary things

here's a random question... does anybody here know writing therapist Caroline Wilson in the UK? anybody? took a class once with her and she was amazing.. have this feeling someone here may know her.

Anyhow- this balance is important- questioning everything versus stopping to settle in it, regardless of what shape we find it in... and ourselves...the image in my dream was actually of two weights... like the little ones a rich housewife would take to a fancy gym class...

s

[shanonatime]

nice

[THE PEACEFUL WARRIOR]

Originally Posted by Average Joe

Deagle Drop my ***.

Loads of people have been predicting a market crash for months, some explicitly naming October 7th.

So if it transpires, Deagle gets the credit for it does he? Not in my book.

Errr woaahhh there Average Joe, did you get out of bed on the wrong side mt friend...the comment 'Deagle Drop' was said as a joke, errr hello?

How on earth you misinterpreted that one is beyond me, but maybe you just don't get irony?

Anyway's I can assure you I was just being thoroughly silly and it was meant to make you chuckle.

PEACE OUT ...And I SMILE

[Average Joe]

No I don't get irony. That is the wifes department.

She is irony my shirts right now.

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

While many have been focusing on what might be coming, I tried to make changes from the point I have contact.

I have been painting Dreams for Rothschild of the future he is creating....

The terrors, the death, the misery of Billions of people...

If the world has ever needed to give someone their light, it is this man, who is on the brink of destroying us all...

I didn't mention this since it happened, but the night I told all of you of who I was working on, I went back again, this time I asked who he was afraid of...

He looked towards China, and right as I was about to see the face of who he was thinking of, I was shaken from my dreams...

I looked at the clock, and it was just after 1:30...

I just heard about an earthquake in China and looked it up...

Magnitude 6.4 - EASTERN XIZANG
Monday, October 06, 2008 at 01:30:45 AM (PDT)

does anyone know where the group opposing the Illuminati is located?

I keep telling myself coincidence...

Why was I blocked from seeing who he is?

[Rocky_Shorz]

Bill and Kerry,

Did Benjamin ever hint at a location of the 100,000 ninja?

It was these plans for global depopulation that upset some important and powerful factions in Japan, Taiwan and China. After being approached by a real-life, present-day Ninja, matters came to a head in 2007 when Benjamin became the first Westerner for 500 years to be admitted into the ranks of the Eastern Secret Societies, a vast group with six million members. Acting as their spokesman, he stepped up to the plate to deliver a simple message to the Illuminati:

Recognize that your time is over, step down without a fight, and allow the world to thrive as it should - or face the consequences from up to 100,000 professional assassins for whom no love is lost towards the self-styled ruling elite of the planet.

This was first communicated through Dr Henry Makow and Jeff Rense in July 2007. Project Camelot has now traveled to Japan to meet with Benjamin Fulford personally. Our comprehensive interview presents the far-reaching and literally incredible background story - and will also enable the Illuminati, who we have every confidence watch our videos carefully, to be reminded that the ultimatum is real, serious, and still in force.

[milk and honey]

If this secret asian faction is so powerful why do they tolerate the Chinese communist government? Why don't they prove their power and intent by freeing the Chinese people first? Then i will believe senior Fulford.

[Rebel4Life]

I don't really trust this deagle fellow...and didn't he kill someone with some medications prescribed to them?
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread398534/pg1 What do you guys think of this story?

Have ANY of you watched the NEW Zeitgeist Addendum??? Sheds a light beam for clarity......! Gets right to the meat of all matters !!! Please take the time to do so: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...05277695921912

It's 2 hours long, so settle in....

[googleboy]

Originally Posted by Rebel4Life

I don't really trust this deagle fellow...and didn't he kill someone with some medications prescribed to them?

lots of guys get a sticker some of them are false some of them are true,. .... but on this one (deagle) you have clear prediction, with exact dates ,..so if missed, you CAN say guy is

..out of his mind
..into money
... fruitcake

etc etc...

the problem exist with those that do not rush and therefore can NOT be easily DEBUNKED ))


be well
GB

****

[Rocky_Shorz]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

I just heard about an earthquake in China and looked it up...

Magnitude 6.4 - EASTERN XIZANG
Monday, October 06, 2008 at 01:30:45 AM (PDT)

hmmmm anyone surprised that China's market closed at 1372.03?

72/100 - 45/60

pretty close...

It comes with a message...

The zero in the middle is what you will have left unless you Listen...

in America, there is a reason our money says - in God we trust.

Buddha left an important question in Proverbs 30:4 for all of you, can you answer it?

and all of you already know about the 3 or III

...

[trainedobserver]

Obviously there wasn't a nuclear event anywhere in the world yesterday. I chalk all this up to the fearmongering faux-reality cottage industry.

Obviously Deagle is bogus. David Wilcock is just as unrealiable because he hasn't picked up on the fact that Dan Burisch is a proven phoney.

http://www.ufowatchdog.com/jrod.html
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/burischdirtbag.html

I don't get it. Why is such significance placed on the opinions of these people when it can be clearly demonstrated that what they are saying doesn't line up with reality?

[dolphin]

Originally Posted by Vera Lokteff

Promise & Good News in Times of Confusion.

There "seem" to be some conflicting reports of future vision, which have been published on the Camelot site - the debate of what is said on Camelot has spread to other large sites on the internet. I would like to offer a positive perspective about what "appears" to be conflicting future visuals, impressions, etc.

My purpose is to encourage those who may be having doubts about any of the current issues at hand.
If you don't have time to read this entire post - please go to the end of this post and read the part which starts with ***.


There are currently - on the planet - common prophecies, future event dreams and visions which are being received by thousands of people. These prophecies, dreams, visions, and insights are occurring in both religious and secular segments of the population. They occur in the midst of those who have been long time "believers" in such things, and they occur in the midst of people who have never as much as "given thought" to such things. These visuals of the future are often completely spontaneous and do not occur during times of meditation or prayer or readings.

When the "cumulative" information - which has been delivered over the last decade - is put together a Long Range Big Picture becomes clear. There is simply no going around it.

Besides the precognition and prophetic insights of these thousands of people - as regards events known publicly and which have already occurred such as the space shuttle, tsunami, twin towers, earthquakes, etc. -- thousands of these same people are also receiving a foretelling that there will be a build up of tension and fear, terrible staged economic failures both in the USA and globally, frightening hardship for the USA and elsewhere, instigated racial uprisings in various parts of the world in which people have seen parts of cities burning an/or closed off, as well as being shown that large populations of people will "groan" in sorrow and agony. In addition, the information indicates famines, fuel shortages, regress of western standard of living, earthquakes where there were no earthquakes anticipated, terrible earthquakes in regions where earthquakes were expected, and upheaval of underwater mountain ranges and plates which will cause inland flooding and extreme changes in land masses.

Looks like a bad picture. BUT -- simultaneously other messages are being delivered and received by these same people as well as thousands of other people - that despite these events which will occur - there will also be a period after some of these events -- of peace within the USA, an improved economy, a period of stability, and a time when jobs will return to the USA and the economy will be strong.

One would ask "How can both of these be accurate? Someone must be off!" "Someone is Deceived."
The answer is actually pretty clear and simple. They are both accurate.

It is like this - when you look at a Very Large Painting - and you look at it
"really close up" you only get to see or focus in on one part of that painting. In that moment of focus you see and experience what is right before you.

This same picture (information) when viewed through the prism of the
Bigger Picture - stepping away from the near site of the canvas - allows us to see that the art work or picture is actually made up of many smaller pictures within that big picture. It is not unlike a monthly calendar put up on a wall where you see only January or February - a few months at a time - and later when you step further away you see that an entire Year - and you see beyond the cold of January and February - you see the full spectrum of spring, summer and beauty of fall.

When all the small vignettes and portions of that picture are viewed together - we see suddenly a very clear and definite whole of the painting.

Often the painting was not at all in its whole what we thought it was in its partial view.

The picture itself - Is Not Dependant on - "who" you are. Nor is it dependant on "what" you believe beforehand. It is about The Picture. It is also about the "portion" of the canvass you were intentionally shown at that moment - for a specific Purpose - Specific To You.

In stepping away even further from the canvas we get to see that what appeared to be a large canvas, was really in itself also a smaller part of even a larger whole. We begin to understand that though the smaller picture was painful - and not happy or comfortable - it actually leads to a positive end in the canvass which is even larger.

I realize that people reading this may well say, "How can massive death be a good thing?" "How can orchestrated financial ruin be a good thing?" "How can instigated racial uprising be good?" "How can earthquakes and volcanoes going off be good?"

Step away from the small picture and you will see it.
These events - just like many events on this planet in prior years, and in prior cycles of times - happened for a reason.

As I write this, there are people who are in the process of coming to terms with the reality of truth given them to speak. Some of these people sit on the sidelines waiting for specific global events to take place before they can speak clearly and concisely a real message of hope and understanding of the events currently at play. They will speak with the point of delivering spiritual truths to help all of us -- so that we may clearly choose whether we want to go the distance spiritually speaking -- or not. There are people waiting for events to occur so that -- we -- can be Ready to hear and be ready to come to a banquet table where those who are starved can come and fill themselves with real food -- if they so Choose.

There is currently a global war going on - whether or not you know it or see it is irrelevant. The war is real and is no different than a gang turf war. The casualty of this turf war -- for a season -- will be the masses and their families, and their finances, and their real estate, and their assets. These are of little consequence to those who play this game and are at war with one another. We would be naive to believe that those who state they will bring "order out of chaos" would not destroy our property. They don't care what happens on the other guy's turf. It does not fit the pattern of their history, but mostly it is naive to believe that "real estate" is more important to them than the Real End Game Goal.

Their end game goal is about something much deeper than something that you can see with your naked eye. Their end game goal is about much more than you can touch with your physical hand.

And so you ask - why aren't people who might speak and bring clarity on the matter not speaking now when it seems that crisis is at the door?

And why does it appear that Dr. Deagle's accurate vision may "seem" wrong?

Why do David and others believe there is another track?

It is clear and simple really. I'm going to give you a few short reasons.


1. Individuals, like Dr. Deagle, who have genuine and authentic concern for people - people they don't even know personally - when seeing what is to come in the future and receive visions and information regarding the future -- also get to "feel" what you who will be effected by these events - Will Feel. They have compassion and sorrow for those they see effected by what is to come. They are touched to the core by the emotion and sorrow of the future, and are shaken in behalf of those, who will experience these events.

Consequently, these people want to warn those who will be affected. It is their job to warn you. They may not have all the words, may not have access to the entire big picture in that moment, but they feel the urgency and need - for you - to know.

Additionally - and sometimes simultaneously - they receive fragments of many other events occurring around the core of original events shown. Sometimes along with seeing what "will be" they also are privy to the "plots that are in play" or soon will "be in play" by those who are at war with one another.

It is sometimes easy to confuse the "time" of the manifestation of the specific events because the "plots in play" concerning these events are real as well.

Additionally, there are events which have been delayed from their "premature manifestation" because prophets spoke out about them in advance, and warned the people about the plots in play.

These people want to warn you out of their compassion for you.
They want to prepare people to be ready - so they are not caught completely unaware.
In their deepest recesses they are thinking, "People will die! There is no getting around this! I will warn everyone and those who need to hear will hear and be spared."
They have hope - that some help may be offered to even a "few" of you - by this information.

And this is "why" some people suddenly get an urge to move, to relocate, and to quit their job.
It is why others suddenly feel the need to get "Mormon like with the pantry" and stock up on food.

Those who need to hear "these specific warnings" will hear them -- and when that specific time event is to take place - these who "heard" will have taken heed and fulfilled their lives in the path that they were to take.

It may be something as simple as hearing that there will be a fuel shortage months ago - and stocking up on some gasoline in the garage - because it "was right for you" - only later to experience the temporary fuel shortages in the south. It may be what seems like a baby step for you. However, it may also be a Large Life Changing - heeding of a warning.

Some people are here to warn us.
We cannot preclude them from doing their job and fulfilling their purpose.
If you are a person who needs to hear the warning - these words by Dr. Deagle will "speak" to your spirit and to your soul."

If they are not for you -- they Will Not resonate within you.

It is not a debate about whether these events will occur or not.
The big picture clearly indicated long ago that these events Will come to fruition - in their time - no differently than a baby is born in its specific manifested time.
Child labor may be delayed - but it cannot be stopped indefinitely.



2. It is a sad fact that many people who are all ears and "curious" about spiritual truths, don't really want to "partake" of these spiritual truths. These people are like teenagers in high school who want to be "in" on some "cool information".

Reality however is that - this is not how matters of truth and spirit law work.
What is coming requires a stance of "all in". However, today, there are many shoppers and lookers.
There are many who view things stated on this site and globally as a joke.

The masses are currently in a place of chosen disbelief, programming, some are boxed in with religious dogma which distracts from spiritual truth.

If those waiting on the sidelines came forward and spoke in public today about what is Really going on around us, beneath us and above us, and by this I mean much more than just Plaidians, and/or government/ET phenomena/reality which scientists and others speak of publicly -- if they spoke about the bigger big picture - and not just portions of the canvas -- most people today would simply not believe it. They would ridicule and mock truth. Others in panic and ignorance or naiveté would have heart attacks and die.

Difficult times, events, and hardships, which are coming are much like when a nut is first cracked.
It takes force to crack a nut. From first appearance it may seem that it is a devastating event.
But when that nut is cracked - the masses who would not have believed - and who would not have chosen to see - will be forced into a place where they can finally put aside their childish immature toys of Ego, Greed, Envy, Ignorance, and Disbelief and be prepared to "hear and receive the truth" which will help them to understand their own real purpose for being here on the planet in the first place.

We cannot and will not come into integration with our Real Endowments until truth and the fullness of truth - which we need to know and absorb -- and must come on an individual basis - is allowed to be freely spoken. Today if someone stood before you and really told you what has been going on, what is coming, and how it will progress - while you are still looking at the tiniest picture possible - the part only having to do with your personal little selfish goals and purposes - you would say, "No Way can This be True."

Truth is not squandered on us - when we can't - or don't have the wherewithal to respect it.

Memory of pre-existent events, knowledge, understanding, integration - Will Occur - from these difficult events of duress and horrors coming. The Real You gets to finally surface out of the confines of your currently -- not all with it -- Mind -- and for some Fractured Soul.



3. There are public voices who speak today for various reasons - these individuals need to have their time. And while not all of them are really about people or helping the masses with ushering in the good things coming - they still are given their "time". Consequently their egos have put them into a sort of unfaithful place which works against the purposes of spiritual truths actually being released at this time. You know it, you feel it. You can't explain the "why" you feel the way you do, but it is why you are drawn to listen to some, and only listen politely to others.

Additionally, there has been little talk and/or recognition of the fact that we are beings with various differing Spirit DNA, yet we are all on the planet together at this time. We don't all originate from the same places. It does not make it a bad thing. It makes it a bit of a different thing. That is why it is a little aggrandized to say that something would not happen without a specific individual knowing about a specific coming event - first.

We are not all privy -- to all of the information -- at all times. This is really a good thing. This serves a purpose. There are various messages that various beings are receiving - because of their specific origins - and the current confusion that we are all to believe that we originate from one place - and that we should all accept as the "only option" of what one group knows to be "their truth" when you may feel that it is not "your truth" -- must be addressed without negativity -- so that the Big Picture can truly be viewed.

It is no different than when many families from various countries in Europe came to the United States of America. It is important to understand this fact - as in understanding the scope and breadth of this - it will help us to work together and come into a greater understanding of how we all fit together in purpose.



4. We just have to speak about things that are - address them - and then move on and leave them behind. This is a biggie so let's not ignore it. There are public voices today who have placed themselves at the head of the "ascension train", and who are actually in competition of all kinds with others who are in their same "field" and are themselves trying to be ahead of the "ascension train".

The truth about all of this is this. Your real teachers will not withhold from you. They will not speak in Spaghetti in ways mysterious to you if you are not on "their level". They will not speak in words which are not understood if you are not in their shoes. Truth is clear. It integrates you with who you are. Real teachers will speak to you clearly, not in shrouded mystery, they will speak to under gird you from beneath you - no differently than one holds a bird in the palm of their hands - and will help give you that boost up into the air so that you can fly on your own. So that you can see on your own. So that you can reintegrate with the fullness of who and what you really are. So that you will finally Know why you came, what you are capable of, and how you can grow Beyond what you were before you came here and went into your current coma. They will not "compete in knowledge and experience" with you or other teachers. They will rejoice in your individual progress. They will not feel threatened. Not everyone is your teacher. Not everyone will feel "akin" to you because of our varying spirit DNA, but this is Not a bad thing.



And so for those who may be feeling sad or confused about all the conflicting statements you have heard in recent days - I would really encourage you to take what applies to you and leave the rest on the table. The rest will come to fruition in its own time. It may also come to fruition outside of your immediate circle of knowledge.

An example of misunderstanding events -- is one very public event which "seemed" to not manifest - but very truly did manifest on the very date it was prophesied and foretold. This is an event that occurred in the 90's. What happened was that churches throughout the United States and elsewhere had received credible prophecy via credible and proven prophets that a huge event was going to take place on June 9th. It was talked about everywhere - this was to be a huge planet changing event. If I remember correctly some respected people gave their own spin on what this event would be. It was spoken of on TV, radio and pulpits.

June 9th came. Nothing massively "seen" happened. Churches and TV speakers were left without explanation of why such an event, with a stated specific date, was spoken of in so many places, by so many people who did not know each other - and yet it seemed that nothing happened on that day.

But it did. In a small village in a country outside of the United States on June 9th, a Huge Event did manifest. It was planet altering. But there were few who actually witnessed it. Again, it was a Huge Spiritual Event which did occur; it was not seen by the masses, nor even by those who prophesied it.
Yet, we have all benefited, and continue to benefit from the events of that day. Unseen to the physical eye it had a huge and significant impact on all of us.



*** October 7th may well be another one of these types of events. A day on which event(s) occur, but which we may not publicly know about in mass - for some time.

One thing we all know - even those who speak publicly of only sunny days ahead - is that absolutely yes there are some bad times coming. Sad times are coming - but there will also be a time of reprieve - and there will also be a time of real solid release of truth which is scheduled for release. These truths will empower us. The release is coming. It is a positive release of truth. I encourage you - do not panic. Know that bad events will happen. Know that we are in the crossfire of a war that has been staged between powers who have controlled the earth for a very long time. These powers are fighting for dominance. The masses, their real estate, property, assets, families, are simply the toys on the board on which they play.

At some point - if not this week - it will happen in another week, month or year - people will die. There is no getting around that. Yet today you have hope, and you have joy - why? Those whom you love those who are important to you - are here today. If you need to make things right with family members, friends, and others - these are things that need to be done now - while you have the opportunity to do so.

The hope is that you do these things now so that you live your day - today and tomorrow - without regret without barriers between you and those you love - so that if you are one who is untouched in days ahead - you may say that all is well within you. And if you are one who will be touched by events in days ahead and the warning Dr. Deagle received is for you or those you love - you will not later sorrow and say, "How I wish I had said how sorry I was." or "How I wish I had made clear my love for him/her." "How I wished I had spent more time loving my child/spouse."

You see it is pointless to worry about the timing of coming events and calamities - as well as the good things to come - when we omit the most important facet of our life - Our Personal Behavior & Personal Responsibility toward those who walk along side of us.

I encourage all of you - if what Dr. Deagle has to say speaks to you - then it is for you - and you will know what to do -- because it is all already within you. He is a trigger for you to open the knowledge you have within you. The timing of these events does not have to be understood publicly. You will understand them within -- and you will act upon them as is appropriate and right -- for you.

If the message and warning was not for you - then you will know it -- and you will go forward and walk with joy in the things that are hand -- for you.

Most importantly let's not get into any debates about whether something is real or true or not because one specific individual did not receive that information. Perhaps it was not for him to receive.
Perhaps his work at hand - is on a completely different route for now.

So let's be encouraged that there is a Power that cares enough about all of us to forewarn, to give foreknowledge and foresight - and let's walk together - in the peace and joy of this knowledge and truth.

VL

"1. Individuals, like Dr. Deagle, who have genuine and authentic concern for people - people they don't even know personally - when seeing what is to come in the future and receive visions and information regarding the future -- also get to "feel" what you who will be effected by these events - Will Feel. They have compassion and sorrow for those they see effected by what is to come. They are touched to the core by the emotion and sorrow of the future, and are shaken in behalf of those, who will experience these events.

Consequently, these people want to warn those who will be affected. It is their job to warn you. They may not have all the words, may not have access to the entire big picture in that moment, but they feel the urgency and need - for you - to know."

very well put, VERA LOKTIF.