Is Bible True? Why Should I Believe The Bible Is True?

[777 The Great Work]

Originally Posted by Kelphi

I know. And with all the man made attempts to discredit the bible it still stands the best tests of reliability and authenticity.

Truly God has spoken. Ain't it cool.

I was wondering if you know what the words Holy bible mean based on the Greeks who interpeted it and the Masons who compiled it as a complete work of 66 or (666) books,divided in the middle at 33 and completed the work with the master number 22,as in the 22nd book of revelation, the final achievement of THE GREAT WORK

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Greg222

I got a hot one for you. What is one to think of an historical person who:
1) Was born in humble circumstances
2) Wise men traveled to pay homage at his birth
3) A king made an attempt on his life when he was a child
4) Was caught in a temple as a child questioning the religious leaders of his day
5) Began his ministry at age 30
6) Died a sacrificial death

The misinformed would say, "Oh, that is Jesus, the saviour of mankind!"
But he would be wrong. This list applies to HORUS, the Egyptian 'god' who was worshipped at least 3,000 years B.C.! It's on the internet and in books, look it up.
So this begs the question, where did the biblical stories come from if they are not original? The Sumarian FLOOD account is much older than the bible's. Hmmmm, need to rethink this religion and Bible stuff!

Hi man

The last news from that history is that allllll the sources of Zeitgeist part 1 are theosophical ones.


That's mean that are luciferian. And that's mean that they want badly to eliminate the figure of Jehoshua ha'Messaiah.

Examples:

Madame Blavasky created teosophy, lets see a quote from her:

"Lucifer represents.. Life.. Thought.. Progress.. Civilization.. Liberty.. Independence.. Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior."
The Secret Doctrine' by Helen Petrovna Blavatsky on pages 171, 225, 255, (Vol. 11)

"It is Satan who is God of our planet and the only God."
pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 233, (VI)

Ok. Let's see now something to compare the part 1 of Zeitgeist:

Zeitgeist Part 1 DEBUNKED!

You will understand that Zeitgeist part 1 is all errors, misinterpretations, omitions deliberately organized.

Why? because that what they do!

Another thing.

The Catholic church is based on a fussion of many things and the live of the Real Jehoshua ha'Messaiah, Like the history of mytrhas who are of the line of the ancient mistery cults (like the thing of Nimrod-semiramis and tamuz in babylon or the equivalent of Osiris-isis and horus in egypt). Sadly is the church of rome, not the church of christianity, the church of rome persecute the christians for 1000 years.

See Alberto Rivera.

cheerz

[Dadrious]

Originally Posted by Kelphi

Who said the biblical stories are not original? Did you come to this conclusion by reading Greek mythology? Sweety, Horus the sky god, is an ancient Greek mythological character. Its a fable. Its lore. And concerning the flood, Noah's flood in the bible, it was a world wide event that all civilizations record of in the same time period about 4400 years ago.

You can believe or twist history all you need to but the fact is the bible does not contradict itself ever. Bible and God haters have tried futilely for centuries and yet it still stands.

Greek?! GREEK?! Oh wow, you REALLY know your stuff...

...Thanks for the laugh. Keep it coming...

[macleodmunro]

Hey Folks, who cares if zeitgeist is right or not, or if Jesus was a real person.
His teachings were spot on.

Love thy neighbour and all that, love and compassion, service to others, forgiveness, humility.

Basically read the fruits of the spirit and you can't go wrong.

Also he taught of the comming harvest, bad weeds allowed to grow with the good wheat.
Then comes a time when God takes all the good wheat.

So just be a good wheat.

Peace from Paul

[Average Joe]

Originally Posted by Kelphi

I know. And with all the man made attempts to discredit the bible it still stands the best tests of reliability and authenticity.

No it doesn't.

Thanks.

[futureyes]

what resonates with me is that jesus was a voice, a messenger of truth, his message being we should all seek and live by our own truth

a humbled man he was, the message he spoke was clear, simple

what we have done with that basic message over time, that simplicity of truth, is we have tweaked it to serve our own egos, pulling, stretching and manipulating something so pure and simple for our own self-serving desires

this basic truth since it was spoken we believe has caused so much pain, chaos and slaughter in this world, but really, basic truth did no such thing ... we have, our egos have, we can take ownership for that

back to basics, plain and simple, find our own truth, live it

read and hear all we can, keep what resonates, release what doesn't

when we find our truth we find it to be no more or no less than anothers, we find our individual truth to be the same as another, we can only come to know this from within ourselves, our inner voice

we'll figure it out ... back to basics

[Zelphael]

http://truth-saves.com

A colourful, well designed site with good information.

[mntruthseeker]

Kelphi

Please never say I want nothing to do with Jesus Christ....that is way off the target

What I said is that I do not believe in sin. I do not believe in the stories of the bible. Moses nor Noah's

I do believe that Jesus suffered for humanity and he wanted us to see what our capabilities were and are. He saw what was happening and didn't like. To say I don't want anything to do with him is way off course. Sorry that I came across that way to anyone.

Ghandi, Dahli, Maharashi and Mother Theresa and so so many wonderful people also did or are doing the same.

[KassandraLoves]

The Bible started out as an ABSOLUTELY AMAZING collection of stories. Its no so much that anymore. People have changed it to their will and recommendations throughout time. Kings have even burned it and rewritten it. Its been tarnished in the pursuit of power and control by history's mean 'n nasties.

I always say, the Bible is THE LONGEST GAME OF TELEPHONE youve ever seen.

However, you can still extract some gems from it. you just need to be careful. Anything that is created to make you scared needs to be SCRUTINIZED under light. Anything that gives "god" human qualities such as ANGER and VENGEANCE (which doesnt really make sense now does it?) also needs to be METICULOUSLY reconsidered...

in fact, The entire world is up to your interpretation. So that advice goes for EVERYTHING.

But I KNOW, because history has told me so, that people have indeed tampered with what was once a very positive and righteous book of stories.

The bible WAS good...but now, can definitely be questioned thanks to the darkness that has seeped into it.

[KassandraLoves]

Also, have you heard Nassim Haremein's bible interpretations?

AMAZING to say the least....

[Steven]

Like many things in the world, science, social behavior, history, etc... The Bible has genuine history, corrupted by the Kingdom of the Elite of our World. That is also something as old as the Bible.

The truth in the Bible can be decoded, understood, discerned by applying the content that resonates with inner knowledge.

Instead of trying to convince, try practicing/applying...

Namaste, Steven

[Gnosis5]

The truth about Hell:

"HELL EXPLAINED BY CHEMISTRY STUDENT

The following is an actual question given on a Washington State University

chemistry mid term.

The answer by one student was so "profound" that the professor shared it

with colleagues, via the Internet, which is, of course, why we now have the

pleasure of enjoying it as well :

Bonus Question: Is Hell exothermic (gives off heat) or endothermic (absorbs

heat)?

Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law (gas

cools when it expands and heats when it is compressed) or some variant.

One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we need to know how the mass of Hell is changing in time. So we need

to know the rate at which souls are moving into Hell and the rate at which

they are leaving. I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to

Hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for how many

souls are entering Hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in

the world today.

Most of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion

you will go to Hell. Since there is more than one of these religions and

since people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that

all souls go to Hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect

the number of souls in Hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the

rate of change of the volume in Hell because Boyle's Law states that in

order for the temperature and pressure in Hell to stay the same, the volume

of Hell has to expand proportionately as souls are added.

This gives two possibilities:

1. If Hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter

Hell, then the temperature and pressure in Hell will increase until all Hell

breaks loose.

2. If Hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in Hell,

then the temperature and pressure will drop until Hell freezes over.

So which is it?


If we accept the postulate given to me by Teresa during my Freshman year

that, "It will be a cold day in Hell before I sleep with you," and take into

account the fact that I slept with her last night, then number two must be

true, and thus I am sure that Hell is exothermic and has already frozen over

The corollary of this theory is that since Hell has frozen over, it follows

that it is not accepting any more souls and is therefore, extinct.....

leaving only Heaven, thereby proving the existence of a divine being which

explains why, last night, Teresa kept shouting "Oh my God."

[Ashatav]

I talk with Jonathan Gray - www.beforeus.com - and he say to me that the bible is real and because it is severely damaged in the public opinion didn't make it false. The same thing say Dr. Deagle - www.nutrimedical.com -.

So, 2 heavyweight saying the same.

Cheerzo

[Circlewerk]

Originally Posted by Ampgod

I don't know if it's true or false.
Shall I just take someone's word for it?

My answer is.... I DON'T KNOW if it's true or false.
You don't either!

Maybe soon we will all find out???

I, personally, would guess the bible is not essential for anyone.

[taadev]

Originally Posted by mntruthseeker

Jesus was crucified but didn't die on the cross. He suffered as Ghandi or any other great man would. He did it for us. for what was happening to us. Who killed Jesus? Who was behind the one that made the decision? Who killed millions and millions, persecuted in the name of religion?

I believe that Jesus died for us...............not for the sins someone decided to put on us to make us feel guilty.

If God gave Moses the 10 commandments, why did the pope decide to add three mortal sins himself last year?

No, the bible isn't true but I do believe that they put some things in that are true just to fool people.

This is an area I've studied much.
IMHO, the Bible has a lot of truth, but was edited and certain things omitted and inverted to suit the 'editors'. Oddly, parts of what I now believe to be true are scattered across several religions.

Are we not all children of G-d? I believe 'crucified' is meant to be metaphorical and 'Christ' figures have existed before and since; countless undocumented.

Just my two pennies.

Just ask someone that's felt the hand(S) of 'G-d' The Spirit; whatever 'It' is.

[Wormhole]

Yes, let's keep LOVE in the paradigm of any thread. With that I lovingly must state that the bible, in my opinion, is not an objective standard of truth.

Peace of Mind,
Wormhole

[Ashatav]

I don't have a formed opinion about the bible but think on this:


All the sources that have done us doubt and have diferent perspectives about the book in occident are Teosophic, that's mean, the new age, and the root is Luciferianism.

So, we haven't a straight opinion about it, all the doubts comes from luciferianism who is Terribly partial against it and All of us have a opinion influenced by that in some way.

All the sources that says the bible isn't historical and Jehoshua'ha messaiah didn't exist are Teosophists, and None of the teosophic sources are profesional, are all Amateur. Because is Proven that the book Is historic and Jehoshua'ha messaiah exist.

Am sorry, but that's the way it is. There are dozens of writers in the early times, both christians and enemies of christianity that confirm the figure of Jehoshua.

Read "Who's playing jesus games?" a book from Jonathan Grey, there he compiles the cientific evidence about it; its just overwhelming. Versus the amateur teosophists who's sources are omitions, semitruths, inventions, and phrases out of context and that's just the way it is.

Before investigate the subjet propely and investigated the New Age and the other part, the wingmakers/urantia movement (the 2 sides of the hegelianish creation of the new world order religion) Im actually believes in that, but the evidence against those movements are just to much so I Had to change my view.

In fact, a lot of people changes into actual christianity when they investigates the creation of the new age movement, what's is behind the "ascended masters", the cases of contactism and the truth about luciferianism who are a deceive-by-desing religion, and so on.

To think about.

Cheers

[EYES WIDE OPEN]

The bible is the wrord of god. which version is the truest? the king james verson or one of the others?

You guys do know that the bible is nothing more than a colelction of tales, most of which go back to the sumerian era right?

The bible. the biggest single obstacle to unity. give into fear. you must fear god! I dont need a middle man thanks.

[Swanny]

Originally Posted by hueyii

It's not just the story of Horus. Watch this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vm_wh-84D8

That makes perfect sense to me, the bible is just a story book and certainly not a book you should run your life by.
Jesus is just one of many different ways of describing the changing of the seasons and the movement of the stars.

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Swanny

That makes perfect sense to me, the bible is just a story book and certainly not a book you should run your life by.
Jesus is just one of many different ways of describing the changing of the seasons and the movement of the stars.

Hi man

Aaall the sources of Zeitgeist part 1 are theosophical ones.

The theosophist invented the non-cientific idea of the non-existence of jehoshua.


Is totally non cientific.


By the way, the teosophists are luciferians, let's see a quote from the creator of Teosophy:

Madame Blavasky created teosophy, lets see a quote from her:

"Lucifer represents.. Life.. Thought.. Progress.. Civilization.. Liberty.. Independence.. Lucifer is the Logos..the Serpent, the Savior."
The Secret Doctrine' by Helen Petrovna Blavatsky on pages 171, 225, 255, (Vol. 11)

"It is Satan who is God of our planet and the only God."
pages 215, 216, 220, 245, 255, 233, (VI)

So, believing that Jehoshua'ha Messaiah don't exist you are totally buying all the luciferian not cientific doctrine with your eyes closed.

See this to compare to the part 1 of Zeitgeist:

Zeitgeist Part 1 DEBUNKED!

You will understand that Zeitgeist part 1 is all errors, misinterpretations, omitions deliberately organized.

Read "Who's playing Jesus games?" by Jonathan Grey, there he compiles the cientific information about the existence of Jehoshua'ha Messaiah, About a dozen historians of the early times who are or not christians talk about him without counting the historicity of the bible who the scholars consider a real historic document, at least the new testament.

So is totally non-cientific the teosophic-channeled idea of the non-existence of Jehoshua'ha Messaiah

The more you look the creators of the idea of the non existence of Jehoshua'ha Messaiah, the theosophists the more you will understand the uncientific anti-evidence and why that idea. That's happened to me, they are totally luciferic and many of the new age and theosopic books are "channeled", and researching in that concept you will understand the level of the scam, see Randall a Baer "inside the new age nightmare" book, the history of Carolyn Hamlett, Bill Schnoebelen's history for start.

Another thing.

The Catholic church is based on a fussion of many things and the live of the Real Jehoshua ha'Messaiah, Like the history of mytrhas who are of the line of the ancient mistery cults (like the thing of Nimrod-semiramis and tamuz in babylon or the equivalent of Osiris-isis and horus in egypt).

Sadly is the church of rome, not the church of christianity, the church of rome persecute the christians for 1000 years. The church of rome are the one who controls the New World Order stuff with the off world entities. (ok that's odd, but you must reckognize that isn't the rarest thing in this forum, haha)

See Alberto Rivera.

cheerzz

Any harder to believe than ancient monsters living on a planet on the outer edges of our solar system who wait for a few thousand years to jump to earth and scrxw Earth women? Any harder to believe than underground reptillian monsters who wage galactic war on our ancestors, who by the way, are also aliens?

Give me a break . . .

I think its important to look at parts of the bible that have been hidden. For example, who are the Elohim? Was Elijah taken up in a spaceship ("Fiery chariot")? Who were the giants in Noah's time?. It seems theres a lot of evidence of Extra Terrestrials (ETs) in the bible, but this is never taught in churches? Clearly, the powers that be are supressing many aspects of our true heritage & creation. Its amazing so many people on this forum have overcome this conditionng & are open the the truth about Ets.

Also, many people who have met Ets tell us that the ETs told them to love their fellow man & love the Earth as a way to solve our problems. Interestingly, love is a central theme in the New Testament.

[Swanny]

Thx for caring Ashatav but as Historycircus says it's more believable that the stories in the bible.
But good luck to you following in what you believe

[Ashatav]

Originally Posted by Swanny

Thx for caring Ashatav but as Historycircus says it's more believable that the stories in the bible.
But good luck to you following in what you believe

Yeah, your welcome mate, but

I really didn't know about the reality of the histories in the bible (old testament, the new testament is Really historic says the scholars, at least the non-miracle parts, haha, all the data is backed up),that histories sounds really odd, fantastic and strange.

But what Did know because a lot of investigations is that the luciferians "powers" behind the new age scam and teosophy are who are behind the modern discredit of the bible.

So is now common to us think that book is just inventions of a fertile ancient mind because of them.

I repeat it, I don't know if the bible is true or not, but the thing is that the luciferians are behind the discredit.

Cheers!

[dagon]

this is what I think of the bible. and teachings alike.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hp0DAwy0-xM



I'm still down with planet x. get past that part. and listen up. for those who don't know Sitchins work. there is plenty of evidence all around the world that supports what he is reporting. read his books.. and you will se the light. I'm sure it go's a lot deeper than his writings. I support this before the bible. I look to the ancient record. and think for myself with a open mind.