For a bunch of people who are preaching positivity.. you sure are negative

[Circlewerk]

Originally Posted by Rocky_Shorz

Well in the worst case scenario, what do you think one of the most important jobs will be in a Ground Crew Community? - A teacher...

just for a moment, let your imagination go...

imagine if you could look at someone, feel what they fear and go after the source? If it's nothing, just let it go, but if it is something real, being able to close your eyes and rewrite the story...

Imagine having those abilities, and staying away from negative stories, because of their bad vibes... Are you helping if you close your ears to what you should be listening for?

You are a teacher, imagine the gift of trying to teach a frustrated child, and all you have to do is imagine it in your mind and the child is able to see the image...

Think of a child having nightmares, and you being able to see them, erasing the evil and replacing it with dream that makes them smile...

What if I told you that you already have the ability?

A natural teacher...

for the next dimension...

Beautiful Soul~
Thank you.

[MMe M]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I am sorry if I came across wrong...

Honestly I just got my first teaching job and for the first time I am able to make a difference and see it on a daily basis. I also have to serve weekends in jail because of a d.u.i that I earned last year sometime. I worry that if things go to hell here like economic crash followed by looting and possibly martial law that I woudl be stuck in jail. I dont know how many of you have actually had your freedom taken from you physically but it will change what you appreciate. I do not want to be stuck in the clink when anything happens because I have a feeling that they will just keep all the inmates there. I put off the last two weekends because I was worried about all this talk about october 7th and then nothing happened. Then today when I got on avalon everybody was still talking about everything that "could" happen. I know that no matter how prepared we are it is going to hurt for everybody when this system that we ARE all addicted to right now collapses under our feet.

I want to change the system more than anything right now...
But for those of you who believe that our thoughts manifest into reality then I feel like it is pointless to point out all these horrible possabilites. I am not saying that all of them are not relevant to post...

But I do believe that some people are just sifting through news and finding scary conspiritorial stories and posting them on here to self satisfy....

Then look at all the predictions and false theories that have been posted that we have wasted our thought on....

I just feel like we need to laugh and love a little more... maybe throw a party.. while we can!!

Well party boy, your not done paying the price for the last excess so maybe ya better get that done first before you crank up all the good love and laughin and part-A!

fer flips sake! Nobody talk about anything that might make the teacher miffed now. Life is downright terrifying sometimes. Sometimes you need to be prepared for one of lifes little unexpected nightmares. Forewarned is forearmed as kerry always says.

Grow up.

Wow, yet another thread that bemoans our discussions about the anxiety we feel over the collapse of the global banking system, the rising tensions between the two most nuclear armed nations on the planet, the systematic attacks on our civil liberties by our own governments, etc. There is even the standard guy who calls anyone who wants to discuss such things "parasites" and looks forward to the day subscription fees for this site eliminate the regular contributions of many of us. There are several threads started just like this every week, and here we all are arguing again over over nothing - absolutely nothing.

Let's not forget the origins of this site either; a site spawned by the testimony of hard core researchers and new age sooth sayers who painted pictures of a present and possible futures that include alien abduction and experimentation, galactic wars, underground reptilian people eaters, shadow government plans for unbiased holocaust, choreographed warfare, nuclear winter, mass starvation, global pandemics, and list goes on and on. I'll even take you folks who believe that if we here don't think about such things, they won't happen. Have you watched the news or opened a newspaper lately? Have you seen your 401k or your parents' 401k drop by half or two thirds over the last two weeks? Have you seen the car bombs in Iraq and foods riots in Haiti? Have you noticed teenagers beating homeless guys to death for fun, or the rising rates of child abandonment in the U.S. and the Western world? The "wish it away" approach is not working - the nasty stuff posited by the "doom" crowd is manifesting right before our eyes.

And here is the rub: despite what some of you insinuate, it is not the "doom" crowds fault for merely thinking about it.

By your definition, I'm part of the "doom" crowd. I pray every day; ask the great power that spins the universe for global peace, and I often ask for smaller stuff - a hot meal for all the hungry kids on the planet, just for one night, to give them a little comfort in an increasingly uncomfortable world. I hope there is no war, no chaos. But to ignore that wars churn on, several of those kids I prayed for died last night because of malnutrition, and the slide toward chaos is increasing is philosophical and physical suicide. That some of us choose to acknowledge that life exists outside the "ohm circle," that there is much bad stuff going on out there, discuss it, try to figure out potentialities, and then try to figure out the best way to deal with it is only natural. I really resent you folks who accuse people like me of hoping for doom so that it fulfills some sort of chaos fantasy of mine - posts like that are childish pap than run 100% counter to the intent of this forum - to PREPARE FOR THE FUTURE. That you can't cope with the events that surround you and choose to live in a fantasy world of fairies, chants, and pretended elightenment does not make my attempts to make sense of the present and possible futures any less of a noble and intellectual activity.

Hopefully, I'll be there to feed you when your chant circle gets attacked by hungry gang-bangers and national storm-troopers.

[Orion Morris]

historycircus

I never started this thread to badmouth any particular person...

I agree that we shoudl prepare for the future and most importantley just try to find a future.

I do not agree that we should be taking everything that the tv and newspapers are telling us, because their is a reason they want us to be afraid.

I am not going to count on you to feed me but I hope that you will be able to if I ever needed it. I think that alot of the people who are saying they are prepared... really have no idea what prepared would actually consist of. Actually I dont think that you or I or anybody else for that matter, who is not self sustaining RIGHT NOW is prepared.... and another question.... how are you going to save us from the gang banging national storm troopers? With your light saber?

"... But, all the people we've been speaking to today say we're knuckling down for the long haul. As long as these markets recover everything should be fine."

This is a word for word quote from Sky News after announcing that currently the DOW is down 140 points and the FTSE is down 240 points. This follows the $700bn bailout in America, the £50bn bailout in the UK and the announcements of 0.5% interest rate cuts. Still the markets fall.

Given what everyone here knows about the financial system and how it works, does anyone think that the news channels are spreading doom and gloom? Or does it look like they continue to downplay the real situation for all they're worth?

Sorry Orion, but if the TV and newspapers had been honestly reporting what's been happening over the last two hundred years we wouldn't be in this situation.

[AMA-GI]

We have our knowedge,
And for those who dont we teach,
We know what is to become,
So let us be one and go on this journey together,
Supporting each other along the way.

[Orion Morris]

I agree sunrunner....

I believe that they are downplaying the whole thing... their is still no reason to be afriaid..

I also never said that that they were honestly reporting anything... I said the opposite...

For the most part, the people on this fourm are open minded and know not to trust the media.

[joet1980]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I was looking at all these posts and it seems like alot of us have some kind of apocolyptic death wish. The threads are directed towards negative topics and scary thoughts. Even some of the ones that are positive are almost dissapointed that nothing has happened today on October 7th. I personally am pretty happy that I can go home tonight and crack open a cold one. We are watching the stock market crash with excited comments.

Seriously whats up? Why would you want to see everything in such chaos? I am guessing more than half of you would wet your panties if it actually did get crazy. You wouldnt know what to do without your damn computer. I just think it hypocritical of us all to say that a positive reality is created by our thoughts and then this whole fourm is about fifty times more negative then the f**kin news.

People need to chill out!!!
This has happened before and it will happen again!

I think it's hypocritical of you to come on a forum that represents change and then talk about how everything is okay as long as you can go home to your cold one. Pathetic.

[Orion Morris]

Originally Posted by joet1980

I think it's hypocritical of you to come on a forum that represents change and then talk about how everything is okay as long as you can go home to your cold one. Pathetic.

That didnt change anything...

And why whould you judge me for saying that, I serously doubt that you are free from all vices... You are adicted to all types of physical and emotional stimulants...

obvousley you are not much different than the rest of us by calling me names

[joet1980]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

That didnt change anything...

And why whould you judge me for saying that, I serously doubt that you are free from all vices... You are adicted to all types of physical and emotional stimulants...

obvousley you are not much different than the rest of us by calling me names

I haven't called you any names and I wasn't talking about your vices.

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I serously doubt that you are free from all vices... You are adicted to all types of physical and emotional stimulants...

Bang on. I smoke like a chimney and drink coffee. And I'm REALLY glad I switched to decaf a couple of months ago...

[dolphin]

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I am sorry if I came across wrong...

Honestly I just got my first teaching job and for the first time I am able to make a difference and see it on a daily basis. I also have to serve weekends in jail because of a d.u.i that I earned last year sometime. I worry that if things go to hell here like economic crash followed by looting and possibly martial law that I woudl be stuck in jail. I dont know how many of you have actually had your freedom taken from you physically but it will change what you appreciate. I do not want to be stuck in the clink when anything happens because I have a feeling that they will just keep all the inmates there. I put off the last two weekends because I was worried about all this talk about october 7th and then nothing happened. Then today when I got on avalon everybody was still talking about everything that "could" happen. I know that no matter how prepared we are it is going to hurt for everybody when this system that we ARE all addicted to right now collapses under our feet.

I want to change the system more than anything right now...
But for those of you who believe that our thoughts manifest into reality then I feel like it is pointless to point out all these horrible possabilites. I am not saying that all of them are not relevant to post...

But I do believe that some people are just sifting through news and finding scary conspiritorial stories and posting them on here to self satisfy....

Then look at all the predictions and false theories that have been posted that we have wasted our thought on....

I just feel like we need to laugh and love a little more... maybe throw a party.. while we can!!

you are posting a very negative vibe yourself. people are here to get info that is hard to find elsewhere. the info is given to provide self-empowerment in a society which is set up to do the opposite. if you haven't noticed the entire world is changing drastically and people are exchanging ideas and info to be better PREPARED. if you find postings too "negative", well no one is making you stay on this forum and "waste" time as you've inferred.

[Orion Morris]

it was a releif to read your post of how people are excited of whats to com.... i also couldnt understand...how anyone could be so excited ....

.id just writtten to my brother a few days a go to say,,, the very people that are excited... when it comes to the reality...
will be the 1st to bend on their knees and BEGGGG to be sent back to the subliminal devil we already know...and live his world,again....
rather than face and witness the inevitable, torturouse,beyond anything we could imagine... reality ahead b4 the final new world order....our souls and hearts will be torn shredded at what suffering we will witness, even if we make it through...not forgetting how broken we would be.
its real sad

[Orion Morris]

that last post was a comment I recieved in my personal messages
I did not mean to post it just now


we have different views.. I understand that and I do not expect everybody to agree with eachother..

that is a good thing..

however, I have received alot of positive feedback for that post and I do not regret it.

people were feeling overwhelmed with the thought of having to watch their children starve, and that is not the thought that I wanted to see spread..
I just felt disgusted that people were excited to see people loose their homes.. I am talking about your neighbor who lives next door, who doesn’t know what is going on.... I am feeling for his children... I am not excited to watch the streets erupt into chaos..

lets hope it doesnt happen..

Originally Posted by Orion Morris

I was looking at all these posts and it seems like alot of us have some kind of apocolyptic death wish. The threads are directed towards negative topics and scary thoughts. Even some of the ones that are positive are almost dissapointed that nothing has happened today on October 7th. I personally am pretty happy that I can go home tonight and crack open a cold one. We are watching the stock market crash with excited comments.

Seriously whats up? Why would you want to see everything in such chaos? I am guessing more than half of you would wet your panties if it actually did get crazy. You wouldnt know what to do without your damn computer. I just think it hypocritical of us all to say that a positive reality is created by our thoughts and then this whole fourm is about fifty times more negative then the f**kin news.

No, you didn't start this thread to bad mouth one particular person, you started it to bad-mouth the forum - see your words above. You started this thread to bad-mouth those who take preparation seriously - see your words above.

"With your light sabre," please. Grow up.

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by historycircus

No, you didn't start this thread to bad mouth one particular person, you started it to bad-mouth the forum - see your words above. You started this thread to bad-mouth those who take preparation seriously - see your words above.

I agree with Orion Morris that the glee that some of you are taking at the prospect of the collapse of society is mean spirited and very negative. That is not to say that the coming changes are unnecessary, or that we are not preparing. I AM preparing, I'm just not celebrating because I have a beautiful life now. And I'm not looking forward to seeing innocent people suffer.

"I didnt want you to think that I was meaning the fourm itself...

I was meaning the messages that were being posted..
particularly the october 7th run for your life threads...

if you want to argue you with me then we can do it privatley to try and keep some intregrity left on the thread....

you also never answered my question
WHAT are YOU going to do to keep us safe in times of violence....

I responded to your other post with respect...
then you quote the OM and try to make me look like I was trying to sabitoge the fourm

from your message box this doesnt look like the first time you have attacked somebody."

I am struggling to find that integrity you speak of. When you publicly disagree with someone here it must be enlightened philosophy. When someone disagrees with you, it is an attack.

I am making preparations for food, relocation, defense, etc., for a minimum of ten people - my family and picking up folks along the way. I can't save everyone, or "save" anyone, but I can be prepared.

And "glee" is not part of the equation.

[Orion Morris]

Historycircus

I told you that if you want to argue with me we can do it private..

Then you go and post my private message to you publicly on the thread...

Thank you... that was very respectful...

I am not perfect... and I am not even close to one of the smartest people on this fourm.. I am probably not even as smart as you historycircus.. I run on emotions alot of the time, and I am aware that it is hard to keep a strait head when your thinking with your heart...

honestley you have offended me...

The only reason i started the thread was because I was feeling afraid for the people I love.. I didnt want to think about everybody dying anymore...

[Sarahmay]

Originally Posted by historycircus

"And "glee" is not part of the equation.

I was referring to this thread yesterday, plenty of glee there about the coming destruction:

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=4432

[Mike_Jetson]

A financial collapse doesnt mean watching kids starve to death. Sarah I just hope the next 12 months you get yourself ready because the system will come down and the longer you wait the harder we fall. whether it takes 6 months or three years.

But yeah orion you prob read my lengthy reply on page 2. i used to get overwhelmed trying to take in as much knowledge as possible to try and see the future. thats the problem, we all want to see the future so we look to people with more experience and hope they can guide us but its down to us to prepare and learn and not get caught up in the commotion.

Private messages being posted on the forum isnt a good look I agree

Sarahmay,

I read the OM and first couple of posts on the thread you referenced, and I have to say, I fail to see the glee about destruction.

I think where the confusion lies is that we all know what is going to happen in terms of destruction and chaos if the system crashes. That is not what is exciting. What is exciting is that if the system crashes, we will finally have the opportunity to live lives outside of the paradigm that has been fed to us from cradle to grave, not for our well-being, but for the treasuries of governments and bank accounts of the wealthy. Here is a question a I have posted before: is there really any difference between the chaotic unorganized death and destruction engendered by the collapse of the system, or the orderly, well choreographed death and destruction upon which the system operates? No one is celebrating the potential horrors that collapse will bring, they are celebrating the potential for freedom.

[Sarahmay]

"i,m really looking forward to this crash......let the adventure begin.....!!!!!!! wahooo......althentic life here we come ....!!!!! less talking and more crashing.......for me it´s a releaf not a scare........can i get an amen brothers and sisters.....
peace out......the force is within you !!!!!!"

This is a direct quote from the first post of the thread. Sounds like glee to me.

Once again, I think changes are necessary. I am prepared. I just don't think we need to act like giddy 12 year old boys playing war games--it is serious, it is painful, it is grave.

[beanny]

thanks orion for posting my shared view.... whow, you aint half receiving some aggressive backfire for trying to place an extremely valid point.....
and yes, it is more frightening than watching the news... but so will it be with whats to come... so for all those positive thinkers with higher vibration, expecting to rise above the inevitable......cause and effect.....

the world is created on the number 2 , 1 and 1 cause and effect
i wonder how positive we will feell if we are saved through higher vibration....and no karma to have too deal with, as if, yet wittnessing around us,,, care free maybe....unbeleivable traumatic,karmas unfolding

surely... positive thinkers are still human and imperfect....and have done much wrong, in this life/past...else face it....these souls wouldnt be here.....

allow me to try relay my points.... if i bimbled along this life with thaughts and hopes of what to come..totally positive...and good to people......yet 2 lives ago, i murdered my neighbour.....but hadnt yet paid my debt...nothing gona avoid my having to..
.i may have that to pay in these soulcleansing times to come....i may been that murdered neighbour in the last life, and this life....even have to be the partner of a victim to learn the suffering caused to those left behind...and watch the trauma unfolding in my children, ripple effect, etc
ripple effect etc ripple effect etc,and plenty more for all others affected by the loss i creaTEDin last/other life.....
and thaT May only be one of many many karmic debts to pay

thats not negative but an reality example to make a point. we have all managed to hurt feelings in deep ways even unnoticed...
you cant be a soul in a human form and avoid it....
sometimes we cause pain so very deeeeeeep that it goes deeeper than the pain of loss/death
.
so... PTs...Positive thinkers....when you have to face your personal karmas in the coming soul cleansing events....
we cant avoid our karma no matter what preparation we make wether material or vibrational.....how positive might you all be then.....there is no positive without a negative.... else it wouldnt be called positive ...an opposite

[beanny]

jet1980....i do beleive you totally missed orions point......
orion appears to have made the point that he/she glad that the **** hasnt hit the pan just yet, and2b able go home to the security of a familiar day of peace for at least one more day in this life
exactly because ,of that, whats inevitable to come.....
not so?
thats barely hypocritical

if any of you r sadists then you may be sorry the breakdowns not in our faces yet
u appear to have cririsized someone who is reacting human and with heart...(not many left in this world)

[azul]

historycircus

I agree with you!
I'm with you!

Strong hug and peace