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Old 03-01-2010, 06:17 PM   #1
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Default Bill Ryan's Post on project Avalon chat

Ok here is what Bill said on the Avalon chat room:


[02:16] <Bill> Hello, all - this is Bill Ryan here.
<Bill> never been on this chatroom before!
<Bill> She's changed all the passwords. I've asked the forum hosts to let us all have access immediately.
<Bill> To close a forum because of a free speech dispute is a concept that Orwell would have been proud of
<+Karen> yes, this is Bill Ryan
<+Karen> that is exactly what he said in mod chat

<+Karen> And that changing passwords - yes that's a Kerry trait too.
<Bill> There's a very serious situation here. Kerry fires from the hip sometimes without doing her data-checking. She thought that I had asked for the Abraxasinas thread to be closed as a moderator or founder. If we had access now, you'd see that I had been very careful to offer my opinion as a MEMBER - not as a mod or founder - to close the thread
<Bill> It was a personal opinion. Not a dictate.
<Bill> So all was in order. The mods closed the thread - which they had been debating anyway - and I was careful that they should make their own decision.
<Bill> That was not correct. It was my carefully stated personal opinion. I was not wearing a mod's or founder's hat.
<Bill> I was offering an opinion and posted as a member. I stand by that. The mods needed to make their own call. It was not a complex situation.
<Bill> Kerry thought that I'd ordered the thread to be closed. I don't know how she got that impression as what I wrote was really clear. I made it clear because I was aware of the possibility of misinterpretation.
<Bill> But Kerry closing the forum came energetically on the back of the problem she had with the Heather material. That lies behind all of this.
<Bill> I had asked Ben Murphy to be banned as a hoaxer. That's what I DID do. Kerry was outraged at that. I apologized later because I don't think we can prove that he was a hoaxer.
<Bill> And behind all of THAT lie disagreements about how we check and filter the provenance of information, including who we should and should not trust when they come to Camelot with information. THAT's the core.
<Bill> But whether the thread was closed or not is irrelevant. Threads are closed all the time. That's part of the judgment calls mods make every day.
<Bill> The real issues here are about control. That's the generic underlying issue.
<Bill> Kerry will not open the forum anytime soon - I know that. We're setting up a new server and she's going to be locked out so this can never happen again.
<Bill> It's possible the web hosts might give me or RIchard/Gareth the passwords. But they might not, as they may defer to the person who pays them (Kerry). That means the forum would be closed for two or three days until we can transfer the data to another host. Then we reopen with precautions taken that this can never happen again.
<Bill> Kerry is in full destruct mode at the moment. She deleted the Anglo-Saxon Mission video without my knowledge or consent. She did that TWICE - once before it was published.
<Bill> Because Camelot has been infiltrated. Read my 27 Feb Camelot update. Take a look. All the info is there.
<Bill> You think I'd delete my own video when it had received 25,000 views in 36 hours and was all set to go viral?
<Bill> Look at the 27 Feb update. Read carefully. The infiltrator is John (Jack) Burns. He works for Australian intelligence. He's got in very close with Kerry and David WIlcock.
<Bill> He wanted to sack all the volunteers, move Camelot to a central office in Australia, make Kerry a star, have only paid staff, and have him as the co-coordinator. Kerry wanted to do it. I said no way, not ever.
<Bill> You have no idea what's going on behind the scenes. Camelot is being taken down.
<Bill> 27 Feb update on Camelot. On the blog. Read it carefully.
<Bill> The problems are huge.
<Bill> Of course... it's a classic intel ploy, straight out of the book.
<Bill> It's SO obvious.
<Bill> Re Camelot being taken down, I'm going to quit fairly soon and will re-establish Avalon as Camelot 2.
<Bill> I have drafted major statement called BLOWING THE WHISTLE ON PROJECT CAMELOT. I think we're at the stage now where PR and careful political statements won't heal anything - the only thing that works is the truth.
<Bill> No... the only way the forum will be re-opened is either if the hosts will reveal the new passwords, or if we can move everything to a new server. That's under way but will take several days.

<Bill> The entire thing is a sting operation against Camelot. Everything started back in the summer when we were attacked in multiple ways (Rense, Eagles Disobey, etc). Soon after that we were infiltrated by John Burns. Kerry bought his story and so did David WIlcock. He's an agent. I have audio recordings and 100% proof. Kerry will not hear it.
<Bill> David WIlcock has been trying to help... he's a good guy. But he has bought the John Burns story. I tried to warn him
<Bill> If you think that was a fear mongering video, you can't have watched it to the end
<Bill> You think I badmouth Kerry? Read the Camelot blog. I've done nothing but praise + honor her publicly - on the forum, too. But here we have someone who shut down the forum and deleted a video and has been taken in by an Australian agent whose Facebook profile shows they are friends of Gordon Brown and Bill Clinton, and they support the Likud party. Go figure.07:28[02:55] <Bill> Enough already. I'm not going to put up with this anymore. If you care for Camelot, realize that it's being taken down.
<Bill> Do your own analysis. Look at all the facts. Read everything we're written.
<Bill> I have to go - will be back later
<Bill> Would be helpful if people registered her with their Avalon names
<Bill> Thanks, Guys



He entered the chat room to give his side of the story, the various mods gave some info as well, anyone in the chat could read his perspective.

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Old 03-01-2010, 06:28 PM   #2
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Quite interesting... and so the plot thickens.

Thanks Aztar
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:32 PM   #3
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So if I understand all of this correctly, pretty soon we will be able to watch Project Avalon interviews instead of Project Camelot ones... which also means no more having to listen to "He's a jag, he's a jag, he's a jag-you-are." I could get used to that!
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:31 PM   #4
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Can be found here: http://fredsitelive.com/personal/Cur...re_avalon.html

He entered the chat room to give his side of the story, the various mods gave some info as well, anyone in the chat could read his perspective.

The webpage was made after to have a record and to save Karen time having to re-post it over and over.

Grats to Fred for the work.
Thats very interesting information. The old paradigm at work yet again...
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:33 PM   #5
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Kerry taking things into her own hands and changing passwords when she doesn't even come here often is quite childish, we all had to suffer.
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:36 PM   #6
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which also means no more having to listen to "He's a jag, he's a jag, he's a jag-you-are." I could get used to that!
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:39 PM   #7
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link to chatroom please anyoneOK I got it LOL
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:40 PM   #8
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http://projectavalon.2012info.ca/ chatroom
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:53 PM   #9
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wow. dunno what to say, other than this just sucks!
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Old 03-01-2010, 06:57 PM   #10
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Thank You Aztar for this thread.

So much info got talked about..

there are logs if people want copies..i belive
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Old 03-01-2010, 07:05 PM   #11
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Default Take action while it's still possible.

This site has had a good run, but do not carelessly believe that it will last forever.

Download the information you need for reference. Get in touch with people you want to talk to. That is, communicate with them outside of Avalon not just through PMs & thread comments. Perhaps even, gasp, meet in person.

But still work to keep the forum alive too.
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Old 03-01-2010, 07:07 PM   #12
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This site has had a good run, but do not carelessly believe that it will last forever.

Download the information you need for reference. Get in touch with people you want to talk to. That is, communicate with them outside of Avalon not just through PMs & thread comments. Perhaps even, gasp, meet in person.

But still work to keep the forum alive too.
you're absolutely right. and we need to say we care when we do and not keep putting it off. (just talking bout myself actually)
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Old 03-01-2010, 07:10 PM   #13
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Multiple threads here. I posted my reply there:
http://projectavalon.net/forum/showt...081#post246081
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Old 03-01-2010, 07:14 PM   #14
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It seems pretty obvious to me that this site has drawn the attention of 'the dark side'. FWIW Bill was spot on about Heather and Abx. Both are clearly stalking horses and divisive distractions cooked up gods know who...


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Old 03-02-2010, 07:10 AM   #15
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It seems pretty obvious to me that this site has drawn the attention of 'the dark side'. FWIW Bill was spot on about Heather and Abx. Both are clearly stalking horses and divisive distractions cooked up gods know who...


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I myself.... Can "get" that and it has had MORE THAN ONE dark side here from the start. When the "site went to pay to type" I thought oh well maybe that will keep it light. NO way in fact it got even worse.

Not to try and point out "cops" or other controler types but I just could not deal with it for a while there.

About the time Bill said "enough" to the radio station stuff was when it was really bad.

Sorry to see this happen. The love is lost. now it is about power.

Just do not let your soul get sucked into this mess.
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:17 AM   #16
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Whatever.

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Old 03-02-2010, 07:24 AM   #17
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:27 AM   #18
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Just watch me get banned now.
Do the mods see how everybody is afraid of getting banned on this forum?

The forum has been ruined!
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Old 03-02-2010, 07:31 AM   #19
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You have said nothing but extremely negative things about this forum all day from what I've been reading - note how you are still not banned nor censured?

We have come a long way.

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Old 03-02-2010, 07:35 AM   #20
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You have said nothing but extremely negative things about this forum all day from what I've been reading - note how you are still not banned nor censured?

We have come a long way.

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Your point is well taken. Actually I do feel a little liberated.

However, I have also said some nice things.

Its really all about the truth, isn't it?
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:15 AM   #21
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mkspllmn: yes it is.
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:22 AM   #22
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Just watch me get banned now.

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Do the mods see how everybody is afraid of getting banned on this forum?

The forum has been ruined!

I was going to say the same thing.

There is a serious problem here about FREE speech.

If anybody was paying attention, Kerry was fighting for it.....
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Old 03-02-2010, 08:27 AM   #23
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This forum has never ever had free speech. Hells, bells and little fishes it just hasn't alright. If someone with the power here said ban, then it was after a count of three mods in agreement.

Would you stop with the Kerri bashing for crying out loud. THIS is what happened.

Bill stepped in and said for reasons I will not say he wanted the Thuban thread stopped, someone then complained to Kerri about that and she then took the action because she has been about free speech, and to let you make up your own mind about stuff.

And THAT is the darn truth of it.

Just watch me get banned now.



GET real.

Go on take the bloody post off now push the bloody ban button.

Morons.

EGO of some people are beyond a bloody joke.


You are invited to leave here and pursue another forum that fits your requirments if you so wish. One where there are no ego's, but you may find that hard, as I do not know of such a place, and, you will have to tone down your own ego in order to fit in.

I wish you well in your pursuit.

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Old 03-02-2010, 11:47 AM   #24
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This forum has never ever had free speech. Hells, bells and little fishes it just hasn't alright. If someone with the power here said ban, then it was after a count of three mods in agreement.
This forum has guidelines. It is not a free for all zone. #1 is being respectful - please click the link at the bottom of this post and read our guidelines. Despite Kerry's belief in free speech, the guidelines do now allow for absolute free speech. People are banned for refusing to follow the guidelines, not for some frivolous arbitrary reason. People get warnings in private messages and through the infraction system, not on the public forum. And we do not wish to make a public spectacle of it. Are we always perfect at this - heck no. Usually people are banned for being incredibly rude.

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Would you stop with the Kerri bashing for crying out loud. THIS is what happened.
Kerry has her strengths and her weaknesses, as we all do. For the last year and longer, project Avalon was to be Bill's domain because of the difference in opinion. And we will not all have the same opinion on Kerry's actions. I was shocked, but not surprised by the forum closure, and it caused me a tremendous amount of work without any warning. It was me who insisted that a message be put up to let the members know what was going on. And that took quite some time to run it through Kerry's approval, while everyone was wondering.

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Bill stepped in and said for reasons I will not say he wanted the Thuban thread stopped, someone then complained to Kerri about that and she then took the action because she has been about free speech, and to let you make up your own mind about stuff.
True and now we finally have the division of Camelot from Avalon which was started over a year ago, where Bill was to take Avalon and the forum so the mods were not constantly caught in the middle of their differences. Bill prefers the forum be like a private party in your home. Come on in and have some fun - but please respect the house rules or leave. nothing too strict, just common courtesy and don't trash the place.

The Thuban issue was the greatest divisive issue I have seen on this forum. There will be a new guideline to handle this type of situation.

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And THAT is the darn truth of it.
Just watch me get banned now.

Go on take the bloody post off now push the bloody ban button.
Morons.
EGO of some people are beyond a bloody joke.
No name calling. I'm going to give you a pass on this one with a warning. I sense some deeper frustrations here and I send you love and healing. I'm also going to leave your attitude right there for all to see. This forum is about building new communities and a new society. You can respectfully complain. We do listen.

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Old 03-02-2010, 12:07 PM   #25
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There will be a new guideline to handle this type of situation.
Glad you bought that up.

As a suggestion, you could seek volunteers for a steering group to help with a balanced set of new guidelines. Just an idea for you to knock around. If there was one I would happily consider signing up and contribute when my life allows me to do so.

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