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09-15-2008, 07:00 PM | #26 |
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Re: Have an open mind but no so open that your brains fall out
It might be helpfull to instead of making a thread generalising everything as new age crap to make a thread debating whichever subject it is that you disagree with.
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typical example of what i mean...
"doood - real evidence & proof that the pledians will save us on 14th october!!!!!!" when infact all it is, is a youtube link with somebody stating their opinion as FACT. maybe new age claptrap was a bit harsh, I just mean the willingness of people to belive in anything is very worrying. And it seems to be happening a lot in these forums. What we need is CALM, INTELLIGENT & REASONED disscussion if we are to move forward. love & light to all! Last edited by EYES WIDE OPEN; 12-07-2009 at 11:54 AM. |
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They seem oblivious to the effects it has on the people who read them, and i know for a fact that the majority of these prophecies are just out there to make someone a few quid. Needless to say, i know much more then a few handfulls of people around here who have ended their lifes from the terror that this mindless posting of information has caused. But i disagree with your approach to the situation, you just made a massive generalisation with this post and you didnt even mention what 'clap trap' you were refering too. That is why we have forums, so if there is something we disagree with we bring it into open discussion and debate it rationally and logically. And i might add, im all for deleting posts that have been classified as bunk, theres nothing worse then disinformation. |
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09-15-2008, 08:26 PM | #29 |
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I fully agree with you, EYES WIDE OPEN.
We must think in a rational and logical manner, receiving all the data and information, encrypting, decrypting, analyzing and interpreting, listening the views of others, research more and more, and finally drawing our conclusions with a view to educating others so that they can start the same cycle we started. We must not try to venture into the absurd. |
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Hi Going to fast,
The mushrooms are commonly calld majic mushrooms but the active drug is psilocybin ( not sure if thats spelled correctly ). They can be found around this time of year, first frost kills them off. any where sheep graze is usually a good spot to look, dunno why. You have to know what they look like so Google Majic Mushrooms. My advice is to start with a few and see how you feel about 40 mins later. At the time of that experiance I posted, a group of friends went out and gathered enough mushrooms for about six of us to have a good trip. What happened to me was the rest of the guys left the mushrooms in my place to dry out, we were all gonna take them later that evening and have a trip. So the six portions were divided up and left on newspaper on top of the radiater to dry out for later. I got impatiant and scoffed my portion. About half an hour later I was really trippin' and I felt so good that I took all five other portions aswell, you know the rest. Merlin. |
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I agree. about 90% is bs. most of this forum is about new age crap. i'm sorry if i offend people but i don't wanna hear "if it works for you it's fine" or "maybe you don't believe it but others do" again. reltivism is not the answer! and new age is a tool that the illuminati (the jesuits) use to control people. i think less than half of the forum members saw the Project Camelot interviews.
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Well while you "receiving all the data and information, encrypting, decrypting, analyzing and interpreting"... I will be busy making sure my household is secure and has an emergency plan... Right now our pantry holds easily three months food and our pool has 35,000 gallons of water that could be used for drinking if need be... Its always wise to be prepared... THEN you can sit back on a forum and preach doom and gloom Now then how about a list of what you need? I will add the first item... TOILET PAPER Oh yeah? just try living without that for a month... :P And forget money... it will be worthless... Stockpile liquor and things like pocket knives and water proof matches Booze will be worth more than gold when things go bad... |
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I'd have to agree that everything you read here is not true...it should go without saying. Alot of it is just a persons perception of what is real. Is the glass half full or half empty? Don't believe anything. Belief is very limiting, once you believe something you close your eyes to anything that does not agree with that belief. Also keep in mind our perception is very limited in the grand scale of things.
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If you had to pick one thing to stockpile it should be food or water. You can have anything else and it will be for nothing if you don't have anything to eat or drink.
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09-16-2008, 12:27 PM | #37 |
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I'd love to know what you are all reffering to as new age crap?
This is bordering on silly. If you do not understand or do not believe something that is posted here you have every right to discuss it rationally and in a civilised manner - In the thread where it is already being discussed. Right now, anyone who comes here will see this post and some will be confused as to what you are refering too. Being specific about certain issues can avoid confusion, all this thread is doing is adding to that confusion (ie. - NOT helping in any way shape or form). We all know not to believe everything we hear, that goes without saying. We all posses just the same ability to assimilate information, just like you. If your so concerned then do your bit by debating that which does not sit well with you, on the required thread. Please be specific, and do not generalise when refering to 'new age crap' because it is an incredibly vast topic. New age information is not new at all, its just the (mainstream) publics knowledge of it that is new. - (and this topic stretches from Astral Projection to Clairvoyance to Telepathy and many many more subjects) I find it wildly offensive to hear anyone refering to it as 'new age crap'. |
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Seriously, you raise good points. Living without hot water is an aquired taste too - also if you are caffeine or nicotine addicted, the first few days without will be hell. |
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No amount of good intentions, channeling, peace, love & understanding will save our asses from the business end of a gun wanting the meager stores of food & water we have saved. We need to use the skills that we have accumulated in order survive. If the big one really goes down, it's not going to be Earth II, it will most likely be people scrapping for a rotten onion. One look at the aftermath of Katrina will tell us that humans can resort to violence and throw away all civility within 3 days of being denied basic services.
What will happen in a post-apocalyptic world? Will it happen? NOBODY can know for sure. The likely hood of it happening is greater now than ever before. What I am saying is have common sense, put stores of food, water & fuel away, if praying is your think, thats cool. But keep a sensible mind, you may need it. |
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NEW AGE CLAP TRAP WAS A BAD CHOICE OF WORD ON MY PART.
What I am really getting at is peoples willingness to belive anything & everything. Some of us require evidence. I have already been called names by John Lear for daring to question him in the 9/11 thread. The recent thread here is a good example. (post 13)http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=2159 Anyway, hope thats a bit clearer now. Last edited by EYES WIDE OPEN; 12-07-2009 at 11:54 AM. |
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Ahh much clearer. Its sometimes wise to to get into the habit of not generalising certain subjects, for obvious reasons.
As for the John Lear thread, i have not personally read that. But my opinion on 9/11 can be shown in just a few points. - There were nuclear devices used to bring the building down, there is no other explanation for its disintegration into nano particles. - It was done to get the people to ask (beg?) the government to tighten up their shackles, ohh and also a pretext to enter the middle east, a subject that would require another thread to discuss. - It WAS an inside job, no offence but if after thorough research you have not come to this conclusion you need a reality check. I think they are the most important aspects and i dont see the point in quareling about the other minor details, they are of no real significance. The reason i said something was because it is off putting to people who may want to start researching subjects like Astral projection, telepathy, remote viewing, bi-location, levitation, etc when they hear it so often refered to as 'new age clap trap'. We do not know very much about these phenomina but im more then convinced about many of them myslef. Such topics deserve our respect. |
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I agree with all your 9/11 points.
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"Relativism is a legacy of the New Age. I think relativism is quite dangerous. I don't think the Truth requires our belief in it. Anyone can guess on the number of stars in the universe yet it will have no bearing on how many stars there are in the universe. There is a set number of stars and God knows what it is. Whatever "truth" we have about it doesn't change it." |
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Im sorry but using stereotypes when i talk to people is just something i cannot do. I dislike using them and i dislike when people implement them into a conversation, the use stereotypes and generalisations just adds confusion and serves to seperate people into different groups which ultimitaly leads to a break down in communication. When we label people we put them into a little box and lock them into a specific group which is entirely unspecific and wildely inacurate. And aside from that it is designed to rob people of their credibility and works in exactly the same way as religion does. People are using different language to describe the same thing. There is no 'New age movement' There are just people learning about certain subjects that are deemed new to our current culture. To throw a generalisation around this completely robs it of its value and is akin to calling a man with long hair a rocker. We can see how this works in school. Jocks Preps Geeks Grunge Rockers The list goes on and on and on. I am everything. I like to listen to rock music while i play football. I enjoy broadening my inteligence whilst listening to Nirvana. I would feel very offended if someone branded me into a specific category. The use of labels and generalisations just serves to seperate us and is something that we should have rid ourselves of a long long time ago. Communication is much easier when people make an effort to be specific with what they are talking about. There is no specific group of people. There are specific groups of subjects.. but you could not call someone who practices Astral Projection a shaman or a new ager, he is simply someone who practises some form of spiritual exercise along with many many other hobbies that can and most often are completely unrelated. The powers that be want you to use stereotypes because it is a form of divide and conquer and it works in exactly the same way as Religion does, a means to cause seperation, confusion, misunderstanding and disrespect. And most importantly a means of division. excuse the length of this post, i went off on one there. |
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Discernement is a prevalent quality that is needed in this time and age. Feeling good has nothing to do with the ability to feel. The argument ( grinn) of ; =this or that is what I feel= mostly comes from trying very hard to feel good and silence fear instead of using the ability to really feel. Discernement...practice discernment. |
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For what it's worth I too think there is a lot of nonsense out there. I don't care to label it all "New Age" or any other name. I think it comes in all shapes and sizes. I also think that what we actually know is far less than what we think we do. I keep my mind propped wide open. I use my innate reasoning ability as best I can, and I use the discernment that I have gained through six decades of living. I always consider that I could be mistaken. I often have been. But my brain is anchored firmly in place. I hasn't fallen out yet. |
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whitecrow you really get this my friend.
EYES WIDE OPEN - I understand why you made this thread, and it certainly is relevant to remind people to maintain a level of discernment with their own intutition. This is helpful... but throwing around a cliche Bertrand Russel quote while generalizing a big chunk of unspecified information as crap doesn't really make the reminder ANY more precise... If you have contact experiences, I am sure many people would LOVE to hear them, specifically in reference to HOW they were significant in shaping your current beliefs and behaviors. Personally, I could not give less of a **** if the contact experiences were "real" or not... or the fact that you may not have any proof of the experiences... or if the experiences was channeled from a mind control satellite... or WHATEVER! There may be a nugget of gold within what you could share that could contribute to my life or others' lives in a postive way. There is really no good reason NOT to share it, my friend! Projecting external judgements onto yourself may not always be an effective behavior All the extraneous possiblities that may or may not be crap are actually irrelevant, because if I am presented with any sort of information, from any source, and I take the time to let it absorb, THERE IS VALUE IN ANYTHING. Why? Because EVERYTHING IS VALUABLE. It simply does not matter if the information is even "true", in whatever esoteric level we choose to define that term, from whichever level of consciousness we have cultivated within ourselves. And with a SHARP MIND and a DISCERNING SPIRIT, it matters not if I get a nugget of gold from a source that another person may judgementally reject... as long as I understand WHY I am accepting the concept/feeling/perspective. I CHOOSE to REFINE my own BEINGNESS and EVOLVE my SELF for the betterment of me, my family, my friends, my community, my nation, the world, the cosmos, and everything therein. I am not going to speak for everyone else here, but I am rather confident that most of the people at this forum would most likely smile and nod at the statement above What is the point? Well, since we can understand that beliefs are just thoughts we have chosen to charge with emotional energy, it means they actually can be as dynamically interchangeable as thoughts themselves! In fact, I would say that in a given day, the only time I am actually believing certain things are when I need to model the belief to explain a concept to another person, or to engage them from their model of the world. The divinity of Jesus, holographic technology of 9/11, channeled information, cloning Elvis, or ANY example which may or may not be beyond absurd is actually not a relevant subject... until we are engaging another human being who is projecting their experience of reality THROUGH one of these thought patterns (my Self included of course). If I am speaking to my 84 year old grandmother and she mentions terrorists, it does not serve the situation in any way to assault her consciousness with 9/11 conspiracy realities. If I just met the father of a new girlfriend I happen to be with, and he says something about Jesus, there is absolutely no point to me going into a segue about how Jesus maybe didn't exist or that he was an alien or whatever. Within the context of social dynamics, relevance of this stuff only matters in terms of "how can I connect, love, understand, share with, and co-create a higher state of consciousness with the person/people I am interacting with RIGHT NOW?" From this place, ALL of this stuff is true, and furthermore, what if 100% of ALL of this information collectively is only scratching the surface of a reality that is levels of magnitude beyond what we can even imagine? What is that means that a 1,000,000% of it is actually true? Then again, maybe it is just 50%. Or maybe 1%. Perhaps none of it is true. Maybe we are all just collectively delusional. But it empowers me and every being I exchange energy with to feel the KNOWING of the fact that WE are AVATARS of this age, and through our positive collective contributions, what we are choosing to create is an experience of reality that will bring more Light and more Love to Universe. For this reason, in the spirit of the quantum reality we incarnated within, I choose to agree and disagree with everything that all of you say simultaneously! One thing that resonates as true for me, is that questions such as: "How is this valuable? How does this connect? How does this positively contribute?" are in most cases infintely better questions to ask than their antitheses. Give your Self a hug, imagine yourself healthly, happy, and whole - enveloped in a shimmering aura of white light and feel the love I hope this post expressed Namaste, Nate Last edited by omnicentricity; 09-20-2008 at 10:08 PM. |
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Well I am just an old 16 yr. war veteran, who survive a few bullets in my time,
I know a little about survival. Why ? Well I just told you. But my m16, 9mm, 600lbs water tank, 6 months supply of can foods, generator etc.. Does not guarantee that I will survive a tzunami hitting PR. Opps I'm SOL, that's my reality check. I have train in multiple survival schools, yet I will not place my faith in these skills alone. I live in the country and grow about 20% of my food and still I cannot say I will survive anything. The knowledge , keeping positive , believing in a better tomorrow may be a foolish dream for some, for me that simple belief makes my life and the life of my family worth living for. I label myself just human, so what do I know ,not a dam thing, just living. |
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