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Old 12-16-2009, 01:43 PM   #1
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The "woods" footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySomF...eature=related

The "home" footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IAE-O...eature=related

Lots of Evidence
http://www.youtube.com/user/JoanScutter

Lecture in 2000 at IUFOC
Part 1 of 19 (Watch all parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kuMrK...eature=related

2001 Interview with OdiseaLink and Jaime Maussan
Part 1 of 12 (Watch all parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZvG4xRsM5w

Update in 2002 on the DNA analysis and E.T. device.
Part 1 of 12 (Watch all parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLU4qSjyMiA

2004 Interview with OutThereTv
Part 1 of 4 (Watch all Parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-66AR8VJJ34

Update in 2009
Part 1 of 4 (Watch all parts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeRnY...eature=channel

Letter to Dr Reed from Russian Cosmonaut
http://www.Youtube.com/watch?v=olwZYievEBc

Many more videos of analysis and interviews
http://ww1.yuwie.com/blog/?id=488034

Enjoy one of the most extraordinary ufo & alien encounters of all times.
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Old 12-16-2009, 03:26 PM   #2
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thanx for posting this ,

wasnt familiar with these,kind of heard about dr reed but not seen much before now.gut instint after watching most of the links( a couple have been deleted)
is he is genuine, the craft/obelisk sounds similar to the one in the rendlesham incident.and they do hovver as opposed to landing.....at least thats what ive seen.looks likev the cia have done a good job on discrediting him..as they did with bob lazar and some others....the bieng in this case looks like one of the smaller ones,,,but its funny how it has a black robe on,very much like what i remember.i think it may have been defending itself from the dog,
if you read my ufo encounters i mention a normaly friendly local dog went crazy
much the same,even though i dont remember seeing any bieng at that time,
i wonder what happened to the craft and body of the bieng.?

also i found the wrist bracelet part very interesting ,wish i could have seen more clearly if the bieng i encountered had one or if the beam came from its palm.

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Old 12-16-2009, 05:29 PM   #3
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thanx for posting this ,

wasnt familiar with these,kind of heard about dr reed but not seen much before now.gut instint after watching most of the links( a couple have been deleted)
is he is genuine, the craft/obelisk sounds similar to the one in the rendlesham incident.and they do hovver as opposed to landing.....at least thats what ive seen.looks likev the cia have done a good job on discrediting him..as they did with bob lazar and some others....the bieng in this case looks like one of the smaller ones,,,but its funny how it has a black robe on,very much like what i remember.i think it may have been defending itself from the dog,
if you read my ufo encounters i mention a normaly friendly local dog went crazy
much the same,even though i dont remember seeing any bieng at that time,
i wonder what happened to the craft and body of the bieng.?

also i found the wrist bracelet part very interesting ,wish i could have seen more clearly if the bieng i encountered had one or if the beam came from its palm.

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The body and more photo's and footage was "stolen" from his house after the 9th day. His house totally ripped apart, which had been afirmed by his landlord on the art bell show. The "link" artifact is most likely still stored in japan amongst other artifacts. The ""Obelisk" was not found again the day after he went back with his friend Garry.

this is another presentation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgLM12HnVFg

and this one quite interesting also:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhoRGnpOgsQ&feature=fvw


sorry for the not working links above
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Old 12-16-2009, 05:55 PM   #4
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Total hoax.

Its been proven beyond a reasonable doubt many times over, examples can be found all over the web.

The guy is a fraud.
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:08 PM   #5
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Total hoax.

Its been proven beyond a reasonable doubt many times over, examples can be found all over the web.

The guy is a fraud.
Yes, so much so I'm amazed that he keeps re-emerging from time to time. His real name is Rutter. Photographs, documents, and testimonials attesting to the hoax can be found at:
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/reedufofraud.html

It is a shame that so much time and energy gets wasted on these hoaxers and faux-reality show lecture circuit frauds. There are real UFO encounters to investigate, this just isn't one of them.
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:31 PM   #6
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Total hoax.

Its been proven beyond a reasonable doubt many times over, examples can be found all over the web.

The guy is a fraud.
Explain further....
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Old 12-16-2009, 06:32 PM   #7
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Yes, so much so I'm amazed that he keeps re-emerging from time to time. His real name is Rutter. Photographs, documents, and testimonials attesting to the hoax can be found at:
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/reedufofraud.html

It is a shame that so much time and energy gets wasted on these hoaxers and faux-reality show lecture circuit frauds. There are real UFO encounters to investigate, this just isn't one of them.
Ufowatchdog? gimme a break
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Old 12-16-2009, 10:04 PM   #8
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Total hoax.

Its been proven beyond a reasonable doubt many times over, examples can be found all over the web.

The guy is a fraud.
well,im not familiar with this case, i must admit, the very first link i watched
i did think hoax straight away.

but after watching the rest of the links in more detail,i wasnt sure ,,,
i saw the many responses claiming hoax and links to rutter ect,,
but the cia are extremely good at smokescreening and disinfo and
discrediting people.its always hard with the usual low quality video footage too. i did find the mention of the bracelet/wrist piece and the fact it had a black robe on interesting from my point of view as there are similarities with what ive seen.

if it is proven to be a definate hoax whats the proof/evidence?
any links...??

i dont understand why people would lie about experiencers or create hoaxes
,i guess the people who would do this are motivated by money
and capitalising on the phenomenom.

kind of peter cried wolf scenario when theres that many hoaxes ,no on believes the real ones..

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Old 12-16-2009, 10:06 PM   #9
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Yes, so much so I'm amazed that he keeps re-emerging from time to time. His real name is Rutter. Photographs, documents, and testimonials attesting to the hoax can be found at:
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/reedufofraud.html

It is a shame that so much time and energy gets wasted on these hoaxers and faux-reality show lecture circuit frauds. There are real UFO encounters to investigate, this just isn't one of them.

ok checking out the evidence against now...
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Old 12-16-2009, 10:31 PM   #10
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from what ive seen so far from the ufo watchdog files im not convinced either way, could easily be a disinfo campaign as much as anything else..

inconclusive either way... not convinced its a definate hoax ,
but cant say for definate its definately for real,


but its a coincidence the craft/obelisk sounds very similar to the one at rendlesham,the bieng apparantly had something on its wrist,
and he just happened to dress it in a black robe as its the height of fashion
for ets these days lol. coincidences? or disinfo campaign?
guess well never really know , like most well known cases..
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Old 12-16-2009, 11:06 PM   #11
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I consider all of this sort of thing to be merely possibilities. Just because Reed might be fraudulent...doesn't mean that something similar has never happened...or could never happen. It's much easier to think in terms of possibilities and probabilities. Most of what we discuss is difficult to prove...but that does not mean that it ain't so.

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Old 12-17-2009, 05:50 PM   #12
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Ufowatchdog? gimme a break
In my experience ufowatchdog is a site that provides ample documentation for anything they investigate. They do their homework. If you have evidence to the contrary I invite you to provide it for review. If you're not interested in the truth and you want to continue to be deceived by the likes of Rutter, Cain (Dan Burisch), and Morton (all are exposed on ufowatchdog) then be my guest. Rutter is just another phony out there mudding the waters. You can waste your time on him if you like but you're doing yourself and Ufology a disservice in my opinion.

My research into this answered these questions for me about the case. Do your own research and draw your own conclusions. Read and view all material that both supports and debunks this case before you draw your conclusions. I did.

1. Is Rutter a reliable witness? No.
2. Is Reed this guys real name? No.
3. Does his story fit any known previous alien encounter profile? No.
4. Does his 'alien' match any previous alien descriptions? No.
5. Should I waste anymore time listening to this guy? No.

Ufology has always been plagued by hoaxes, disinformation, and con-men. I'm afraid this guy fits into this category.
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:35 PM   #13
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yeay, i can post again.

So where were we....

I've been listening to this interview and i must say you are correct.
The thing is i never seen this case before, weird but true.

Here is the 2002 Rense Radio interview concerning this case:

Hour 1 - Royce Myers, Kathleen Anderson - Dr. Jonathan Reed "Dead ET" Hoax
Hour 2 - Royce Myers, Kathleen Anderson, Bill Warner - Dr. Jonathan Reed "Dead ET" Hoax
Hour 3 - Royce Myers, Kathleen Anderson, Bill Warner - Dr. Jonathan Reed "Dead ET" Hoax

Download here: http://rapidshare.com/files/32086894..._2002.rar.html


What i don't understand is why the ufowatchdog site hasn't been updating their list of hall of shame.

And a little off topic and my personal opinion: Nancy Talbot should really be in the halls of shame instead of the hall of fame but that's for another thread.

thx for pointing me in the right direction trainedobserver. i've learned quite a lot the last couple hours.

Now i wish i had never posted this...
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Old 12-17-2009, 11:52 PM   #14
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What i don't understand is why the ufowatchdog site hasn't been updating their list of hall of shame.
The guy got fed up with all the **** he was seeing in the ufo community. He said somewhere he's taking a break, possibly indefinite, from the ufo stuff.
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Old 12-18-2009, 12:16 AM   #15
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The guy got fed up with all the **** he was seeing in the ufo community. He said somewhere he's taking a break, possibly indefinite, from the ufo stuff.
Totally understandable, i kinda feel the same way. A bit of a turning point for me.
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Old 12-18-2009, 09:33 AM   #16
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Would love to see Ufowatchdog back in action.
Can imagine its way draining to be sued for pointing out the frauds and get no thanks from the wider UFO community at all.
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Old 12-18-2009, 10:35 AM   #17
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well,anyone who deliberately fakes an encounter like this with the sole purpose
of capitalising financially from it needs a good beating..it does more harm
to real encounters than anything....not good,

had more of a look into it...


http://www.ufocasebook.com/reedalien.html

http://www.odisealink.com/

seems like the usual,,you need to know this, buy this book, buy this video,
buy your kids a souvineer obelisk,,,capitailst greed based story...
if he had a real encounter i doubt he would be into capitalism so much,
dissapointing..

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Old 12-18-2009, 12:58 PM   #18
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well,anyone who deliberately fakes an encounter like this with the sole purpose
of capitalising financially from it needs a good beating..it does more harm
to real encounters than anything....not good,

had more of a look into it...


http://www.ufocasebook.com/reedalien.html

http://www.odisealink.com/

seems like the usual,,you need to know this, buy this book, buy this video,
buy your kids a souvineer obelisk,,,capitailst greed based story...
if he had a real encounter i doubt he would be into capitalism so much,
dissapointing..

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Same goes for the Billy Meier case

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ov2zSvuQv1Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p68kkNelEkc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8a31wh_aaQI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tthd89ZkfdU

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Old 12-18-2009, 01:05 PM   #19
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yes this is another case ive heard about but not looked into myself,
all the comments i hear about him have him down as a fraud.
some of the encounters ive heard of regarding him sound a bit far fetched...
but then again people would think that of my own experiences,which i obviously know are real... so what should i believe?

thx for links,,ill check them out later..


just for the record,the well known ones i have looked into which i believe true cases are,,

1 .travis walton- although parts may have been "enhanced" to maximise on the selling of the story,
possible this is where spielberg got his idea for close encounters of the third kind from,
just my opinion.(1975)

2 .roswell - (1947) say no more.....

3 .rendlesham (1980)

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The guy got fed up with all the **** he was seeing in the ufo community. He said somewhere he's taking a break, possibly indefinite, from the ufo stuff.
Yes, there is an interview or two out there where he goes into that. It is a shame really. Ufology is full of hucksters, con-men, and well meaning people who have been taken in by them and finding someone who will call a spade a spade is incredibly difficult.

I think the best thing Ufology has going for it right now is Richard Dolan. He didn't pull any punches in his latest book. His third book in the series should have some of Camelot's alleged whistle-blowers and witnesses in it and should be very interesting indeed.
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Totally understandable, i kinda feel the same way. A bit of a turning point for me.
I was overcome the other afternoon by feelings of despair and hopelessness contemplating how disingenuous, phony, and downright FAKE much of Ufology and Ufologists are. To compound that problem many of the people who have an interest in the subject are more into woo-woo than science and as a result fall for hoaxes left and right. It is terribly discouraging.

I know there is a real UFO phenomena out there. I know real scientists and seriously minded individuals are giving it detailed study. Its just that they are all working five miles underground in black projects with the real data. Up here, we've got people going ga-ga- over failed missile tests and poorly constructed paper-mache aliens in home movies. It's enough to make me start ignoring the whole subject.
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just for the record,the well known ones i have looked into which i believe true cases are,,

1 .travis walton- although parts may have been "enhanced" to maximise on the selling of the story,
possible this is where spielberg got his idea for close encounters of the third kind from,
just my opinion.(1975)

2 .roswell - (1947) say no more.....

3 .rendlesham (1980)

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I agree with your assessment. After looking into the Meier case on and off for several years I have to say that I think the evidence strongly suggests he is a fraud and cult leader.

The Hessdalen phenomena also appears to be genuine.

If you haven't picked up Dolan's two volumes of UFOs and the National Security State you really should.
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Old 12-18-2009, 03:20 PM   #23
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[QUOTE=trainedobserver;203936
If you haven't picked up Dolan's two volumes of UFOs and the National Security State you really should.[/QUOTE]


thx for the tip
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Old 12-20-2009, 01:32 AM   #24
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Dolan's books are by far the best I have ever read on the topic.
He is always quick to tell you when he is speculating.
I've bought so many ufo books over the years, if I had to recommend any, his two books would be top of the list.
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