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Old 10-14-2008, 08:07 PM   #1
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Default Alex Jones review of Zeitgeist Addendum

this well worth watching and goes to prove that we must be careful what and who we trust.

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EyQtN4HY4Ko

3 ten minute clips, link is to 1st one and you can easily find 2 & 3
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:00 PM   #2
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I heard this on his radio show, and all i can say is alex jones has completely missed the point. I think he has a problem with zeitgeist because it points out how raligion is used to manipulate and alex jones cant bring himself to admit. He missed the point of the venus project because he seems to believe that it's human nature to be bad. Venus project is showing that we have potential to drastically change how life works, no money, no laws, just pure goodness. Alex jones is stating how life is and not seeing that addendum is showing how life could be.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:10 PM   #3
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He is right in the sense that his take is built on top of human psychology. Don't know where he gets this 'anti-Americanism' though, but anyway.

On the other hand, he misses a few shots. He reacted emotionally and did not take the time to really consider the consequences 360 degree.

For instance, if we take his last example of the jacket, first off there would technically not be a bum on the street, and then again, there would be no reason for 'cheap' jackets to be made, nor would there be cheap cars or cheap this or that.

The thing that drives human consciousness as it stands is comparative mechanisms. Having no real identity, people try and assess their person by comparing themselves. And, since they find no reality in others, they compare what others have, they compare the physical shape, apparent intelligence, success (based on haves and have nots) and so on. So, it is obvious that no matter what, so long as people retain a comparative consciousness, that they don't have a real identity of their own, they will seek to have something others don't have. Hence competition and slavery.

The error of the maker of this film I would suggest is to believe that there is no other influence on compartmental attitudes than the effect of a money driven economy. There are roots deeper than this that affect how the mind reacts. The error of Jones is to believe that if communism can be brought to be a tool of domination, that the so called free market cannot also be brought to a tool of domination. He also suggests that there are bums, at the end of his clip, who would benefit from others' efforts, and as much as he is right, these bums also are the slaves of the money system.

Before this utopia can be reality, much changes are required in the human mind and its perception of things. Alex Jones appear to be the living proof of this, and he is not the only one.

The problem is less with the system than with the way people think.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:26 PM   #4
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Richard,

From what is apparent to me, people not only do not want to change this system, of having something others do not, but they would not know how to change even if they wanted to.

The children though, are not affected by the system as we are. They have not learned how to use it as we have. Ok maybe some children with greedy parents. But for the most part, it will be easier for children to learn how to live in a unified world, than it will be to change the minds of billions of people already sucked in to this system we are talking about.

Thats why A great change is needed, and will be forced upon us. So that we will have to change things out of force. Hope this is not true. But can't see it happening our way. Not enough time here on earth.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:27 PM   #5
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i find alex jones to be a bit shallow minded, he's got a very one way of thinking, although i agree with some of the things he says, he uses very clever manipulating techniques to get people to think he is right about everything and likes to spin things to make him seem right.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:37 PM   #6
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For me he lost the plot. The problem that I see are several. 1 of them is religion, and as we know alex is a devote catholic, therefore if someone talk bad about religion he goes mental. Also he still believe that captalism is not bad and is in fact administrated by bad people and if you do it right can be good, I think captalism/money is a tool for those in power to control us.
Anyway I was disapointed cause I think he reach so many people and even based on more than 1000 comments left on youtube he is now persona non grata for the comunity ( been even compare to a missinformant/cia operative )
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:44 PM   #7
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For me he lost the plot. The problem that I see are several. 1 of them is religion, and as we know alex is a devote catholic, therefore if someone talk bad about religion he goes mental. Also he still believe that captalism is not bad and is in fact administrated by bad people and if you do it right can be good, I think captalism/money is a tool for those in power to control us.
Anyway I was disapointed cause I think he reach so many people and even based on more than 1000 comments left on youtube he is now persona non grata for the comunity ( been even compare to a missinformant/cia operative )
yeah i dont like the way he is seen as a leader in this community, people need to wake up, but not in the way he says so or we'd be back to where we were in no time. Alex understands that corruption is everwhere yet fails to see that religion is the biggest form of corrution, because it's spiritual corruption.
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Old 10-14-2008, 09:54 PM   #8
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i don't get this guy (alex) he is IDD totaly missing the point. The gouverment is corrupt and needs to go "bye bye".

What the hell is he mummering about some small-time reasons. The narrator says something and he goes like

"pauze there"

WRONG

you don't freaking pauze that movie, and you DON'T cut it into 20 sec pieces to correct every little sentence.

I can have a go at HIS movie as well and correct every god damn phrase he wrote.

God, srry but I really dislike the guy. Talked about "not seeing the bigger picture".

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Old 10-14-2008, 11:33 PM   #9
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For me he lost the plot. The problem that I see are several. 1 of them is religion, and as we know alex is a devote catholic, therefore if someone talk bad about religion he goes mental. Also he still believe that captalism is not bad and is in fact administrated by bad people and if you do it right can be good, I think captalism/money is a tool for those in power to control us.
Anyway I was disapointed cause I think he reach so many people and even based on more than 1000 comments left on youtube he is now persona non grata for the comunity ( been even compare to a missinformant/cia operative )
I'm curious to know if anyone has seen this going around about AJ: Alex Jones CIA DISINFORMATION agent of the continued Project Mockingbird and Jesuit Temporal Coadjutor and alternative Media Gatekeeper for the Vatican.
http://www.spirituallysmart.com/Jones-CIA.htm
http://www.illuminati-news.com/2007/0817b.htm

When someone starts dissing the same folk that are also supposed to be fighting the good fight, it makes me wonder...has anyone looked into this? AJ's arguments were very petty...he acted like he was jealous someone else got the jump on the subject...what does he think he's GOD of NWO posse?

Very strange indeed.
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Old 10-14-2008, 11:43 PM   #10
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it certainly is very suspicious wes whitewolf. I couldn't believe the way he was trying to nock zeitgeist down, it is probably the most pathetic attempt to debunk i have ever seen. There's something about him i really don't trust, i think there's another agenda about him. He said it's "dangerous stuff", what's so dangerous about it? The only people it is putting in danger is the people trying to control us. So which side is he really on?

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Old 10-14-2008, 11:55 PM   #11
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Alex jones is someone not to be trusted if you do your research
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:00 AM   #12
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Hey now people, did you not all watch the new Zeitgeist movie yourselves? Did it not say that we should celebrate people being wrong!

THAT IS FREEDOM

Let Alex be wrong. He will eventually come round...

You all remember what he used to call David Icke? Well now he loves the guy! Alex is as subtle as a bull in a china shop, but he means well. He isn't the brightest man alive, but he has his heart in the right place.

You guys must remember, we are the lucky ones that were not programmed into religion as Alex has been conditioned to. His religious rants have subsided over the last year alone, yes he is waking up to that as well, and it is interesting to observe someone growing.

So I say let Alex take this point of view, and let's see if he changes this view in a year or so. When he interviews Peter Joesph (Zeitgeist creator) I think he may understand in a greater light.

I also just will add, if you actually watch the youtubes, you can almost see Alex arguing with himself as he presents his critique of Z2. I think this is just Alex, and this is the guy we all admire for his imperfections, he sure is an extrodinary human being, and deserves to be heard...even if he is WRONG!

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Rock on babylon!

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Old 10-15-2008, 12:11 AM   #13
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When I started reading this thread it reminded me of something Alex Collier said. He was trying to explain our monetary system to his ET friends. One of them asks him, "why do you have to pay to live on a planet you were born on?". Left Alex speechless. Apparently we are the only planet in the universe that uses a monetary system. Or at least that's what they told Alex. I think it's doable. You know...no money.

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Old 10-15-2008, 12:20 AM   #14
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When I started reading this thread it reminded me of something Alex Collier said. He was trying to explain our monetary system to his ET friends. One of them asks him, "why do you have to pay to live on a planet you were born on?". Left Alex speechless. Apparently we are the only planet in the universe that uses a monetary system. Or at least that's what they told Alex. I think it's doable. You know...no money.

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I totally agree CFR!!!

Unfortunately, I am also of opinion that the only way is to walk through the fire to get there. Considering that over 90% of the world are so heavily "invested" into the illusion, its going to require a significant crash and a start from scratch approach before we even begin to see the light at the end of a tunnel. Don't get me wrong, I'm totally into the Love, Light, Intention & Forgiveness path...but it will likely be a little bumpy at first...and we as a species require this "cleansing process" before we can transition from a monitary system into a resources system as a necessary step in our evolution. Just a thought.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:54 AM   #15
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You may want to take note that the sponsor of this film at a recent LA film festival is linked to the UN and is a supporter of the film as linked on the film's website.

After weighing the message it sounds like a NWO, luciferian, illuminati message. They are not talking about personal sovereignty, they seem to be preparing people for the "NWO" religion, NWO economics, etc.

A patriot friend believes that they are highjacking well intentioned people for a luciferian agenda. We'll see.....
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:38 AM   #16
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I don't think he even understands the whole Venus Project idea...
He's too busy comparing it to socialism and communism and pointing out why it won't work, to actually listen to what Jacque has to say.

I agree that if you wipe out greed by abolishing money and class, then this society will work.
That is a massive change in the human mindset that cannot be done overnight.
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Old 10-15-2008, 01:46 AM   #17
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In order for us to live in an equitable society, at least 2 things need to go:

1. money, currency of any kind

2. organized religion

If you're on board with that, you are probably trustworthy, or at least have potential. Alex Jones doesn't exactly sit right with me either. His demeanor is too histrionic and over the top, and his refusal to discuss the Vatican sends up a huge red flag. I also can't stand how much of the 9/11 truth movement allows him to be its "spokesperson". The folks from Louder than Words essentially worship the guy.
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You may want to take note that the sponsor of this film at a recent LA film festival is linked to the UN and is a supporter of the film as linked on the film's website.

After weighing the message it sounds like a NWO, luciferian, illuminati message. They are not talking about personal sovereignty, they seem to be preparing people for the "NWO" religion, NWO economics, etc.

A patriot friend believes that they are highjacking well intentioned people for a luciferian agenda. We'll see.....
"After weighing the message it sounds like a NWO, luciferian, illuminati message. They are not talking about personal sovereignty, they seem to be preparing people for the "NWO" religion, NWO economics, etc."

I like the way you think, me too!
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Old 10-15-2008, 05:23 AM   #19
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First of all, I thought the beginning of the video was brilliant and informative about the monetary system. It's worth watching just for that.

I personally don't think The Venus Project is remotely realistic about our present state of mind. There would have to be so much personal and collective 'healing' prior to introducing such policies. So many on the planet have been dominated, abused, neglected and murdered by corporate powers ...this would include the 'economic hitmen' scenario, who send in the jackals after THE PEOPLE say "NO".

Most of these sociologist/ecologists are funded by foundations sponsored by the very corporations, banks and monarchies who have been so destructive throughout human history. When universities and scientists are funded by the very corporations which pollute the environment, control population, create policy, steal our resources? Yarite.

So the Venus Project wants to help. I believe they really do believe in their desire to create positive change. But they can not exist/get anywhere without funding from the powers that be. As long as the Powers that be have control over human development, or lack there of...then it is too premature to expect any sincere intention on their part...and even more premature to expect a traumatized public embrace social idealogy from the government?

You simply can't switch from unhealed to healed without 'trust'.

But you can dream, Venus Project. Just don't count on humanity getting on board. Try wee baby steps of 'trust'...then maybe, after several generations of feeling safe, you just might convince humanity of your intentions. But first, let's work on when THE PEOPLE say "NO", they mean "NO".
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Old 10-15-2008, 10:32 AM   #20
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Did Alex work for the CIA at one point? Some think so (see www.loveforlife.com.au - look 4 "debunking" ... they debunk zeitgeist part 1 too)...

Consciousness is so flexible we can flip out of this money madness - just requires critical mass.

I have seen this sort of transformation happen to people time and time again, usually while at a rainbow gathering.

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Old 10-15-2008, 11:12 AM   #21
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He wants Peter Joesph on his show, i cant wait to see that because ive seen interviews of him before and he really knows his stuff. I bet he will bring Alex jones down a peg or two. I'm tired of the way alex sounds like a religious nut preacher, i dont want to associate myself with that guy. He is so ignorant.
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Old 10-15-2008, 12:35 PM   #22
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Ok, Alex Jones has taken more PRACTICAL, POSITIVE action to alert humanity to the machinations of various power elites (use whatever nonclature you choose) frankly than anyone on this thread or probably anyone in this forum. He has produced and given away for free 20 feature length, high production value films whose authenticity can be varified via actual documentation and testimony.
I have listened to countless people call into his show and accuse him of being affiliated with this or that religious order and he has spent years trying to educate people as to the nature of 'divide and rule' and that these people want us squabbling amongst ourselves with trivialities of affliliation the this or that person, or movie frankly.
Does he get it right every time? No, and he admits as such. Lstening to his recent Oct 6th 2 hour interview with David Icke, I heard a man who is trying to grow spiritually in the best way he can. He tells David that he agrees with 98% of what he says, and that the other 2% is probably true but he tries to rely on actual data to prove things as he knows that he would be open to MSM ridicule if he didn't deal in irrefutable evidence. He also apologises for what he said about David 9 years ago with great humility in my opinion.
I don't mean this as a personal insult to anyone here, as everyone is doing the best that they can at this moment, but does it really matter whether someone doesn't like a film that you like? Why is it being treated like a personal insult? I don't hang on everything Alex says, although I admit I did when I first started looking in all this stuff. We should all be thankful that there is someone out there putting himself in the firing line to bring out this information. It's up to you what you do with that information.
Frankly I am starting to dispair of this place, there is so much negativity and character assassination here it is frightening. There have been some wonderful groups filled with people intent on taking positive action that have birthed from avalon and for that I am grateful. I wish everyone all the best but please, please lets not get bogged down in petty issues that have no relevance to anything that we are trying to create.

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Old 10-15-2008, 12:51 PM   #23
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Thats why A great change is needed, and will be forced upon us. So that we will have to change things out of force. Hope this is not true. But can't see it happening our way. Not enough time here on earth.
I agree.

If man is to transmute the soul vehicle into another paradigm to leave experiential consciousness behind, it means that it requires great shocks to the soul structure.

The soul is a very ancient and dense memory of the experience of light in the universes.

It has nothing to do with the psychological interpretation of the experience that already is dictated by the soul's own organization of a life plan for the benefit of its spiritual evolution as it is based on an astral reality, but it has to do with the needs of yet another layer of reality of man's consciousness, unknown to psychology, therefor unheeding of psychological wishes and wants.

The ego will be the next level of transmigration of the energy of light from the soul, into a new plane of reality, and he will be brought to create in uncreated ethers. These activities are totally alien to his psychology and to his understanding so long as his understanding is based on a reflection over his memory, therefore on a reflection over the hull of his soul.

Man's reality has its territory contained within the universe, while soul's reality has its territory contained within the memory of its experience.

So, the reality behind man's consciousness is extremely remote from psychological experience as it is interpreted within a civilization based on collective thinking.

Yet, people fight over ideologies. Left VS right, what is good for me got to be good for you. What is good for me got to be good for all. They defend positions that are at the base of their enslavement.

The ego is always getting short payed. It is not the ego that is the origin of anti-human movements. But it is within the ego that those movements are implanted. And this is possible because the ego is not inhabited by its identity but is inhabited by astral energies that have hijacked his thought process.

So, it will take great shocks to the soul and the ego will have to be of exceptional inner strength to see through the strong emotions that will seek to invade his mental space and control it.
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there is so much negativity and character assassination here it is frightening.
It is a normal psychological reaction to associate what is being said with who says it. So, instead of discussing what is put on the table, people attack the person. This is the history of humanity.

Yet people talk of love. Love this and love that. I love you all but you better think as I do.

This is unfortunate to the extreme, since without the respect of the person, not respect of the ideology but of the person, then it is impossible for people to really talk.

And really talking demands really listening. And people don't listen. They analyze from their point of view, and they call that critical thinking. They do not allow what they put on the table to be shot at in order to find out where there might be a fault in the structure, they will protect the ideology by attacking the other in hope of showering him with discredit.

Who really learns something in an exchange? If all people are ready to take is what they already believe is right, or what they already believe they know, then what are they learning?

What we know is not important. It is what we don't know.

If people stopped fighting the people and sat together to really study, really objectively, what is on the table, we would find it extraordinary how much people would actually learn outside of the combined fields of experience. People, when they are free to speak, can say a lot more than thoughts would have allowed them to say. It is because people do not feel free to speak, because they feel judged by the memory of the race, by the consciousness of the race, that they enclose themselves within the limit of what is correct to say, so they adopt a stance acceptable by this or that large group of ideologists.

There is not a single ideology on this planet that will stand the test of time. Not one. They are all contributions to human devolution.

So, in that case, what is it exactly that people have to defend all the time, and that is not even the product of their own reality but is obviously acquired?

If there was really love on this planet, as much as the spoken word could be sharp as a razor blade, it would never be a destructive act on the person.

Destructive acts on the person, character assassination, all that sort of things, are directly part of the manipulations of hidden forces that want conflict to perpetuate. So long as conflict perpetuate within the mind, it will be projected onto others.
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Old 10-15-2008, 02:04 PM   #25
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Richard T, thank you for your interpretation, there is deep wisdom in your words. It reminds me of part 3 of the AW Anderson and Krishnamutri interviews where they discuss what place knowledge has in the transformation of man. The point K made (and I paraphrase poorly here) is that when people view the crisis that beholds them, the do so by delving into learnings from past experience and trying to superimpose a solution without treating the situation as unique and in need of radical action without precidence.
The point I think he makes is that if you try and solve today's problems with yesterday's thinking then tommorrow will be the same as today.
Radical change can only be a change of consciousness and it begins and ends with each individual. I am the world and the world is me.

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