A Native Shaman told me if one uses the life force

JohnWdoe · 10-16-2008, 11:05 AM

One will die,

I was told by a close friend and 5th generation Native Shaman that if man uses his life force (magic meditation) he will lose his life force and wither, it is known even the white shamans (healers) seemed to find this fate and that asks many questions which me and my good friend debated.

Is there such a thing as white magic or is it all a variation of black, personally i like to call it grey.

Anyone heard this concept before.

EDIT*

i am in no way trying to make anyone panic for odd reasons, its just an idea or theory given to me by a close friend.

AMA-GI · 10-16-2008, 02:15 PM

Hi,
First of all there is no such thing as black or white magic!
It is all energy,

what is darkness but light turned insideout! meaning it is the same.

I question with respect the native that said this as this is not their belief system. I also know and have trained with natives of the american and african tribes.

The life force ie:kundilini/chi whichever your preference of name is basicly bio-electricity. We produce this all day long. Hence we eat/sleep to replenish and have more energy in the morning.

I know of very old shamans who have been practicing magic/energy manipulation all their lives, they are as fit as a 30 year old.

I mean this with total respect but the native you talk about probably only said that because they have dicipline when being taught magic and the general white person does not as they learn from dis-informing books and no teacher. This too worries me. I think this is maybe where he was comming from.

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Originally Posted by JohnWdoe

One will die,

I was told by a close friend and 5th generation Native Shaman that if man uses his life force (magic meditation) he will lose his life force and wither, it is known even the white shamans (healers) seemed to find this fate and that asks many questions which me and my good friend debated.

Is there such a thing as white magic or is it all a variation of black, personally i like to call it grey.

Anyone heard this concept before.

EDIT*

i am in no way trying to make anyone panic for odd reasons, its just an idea or theory given to me by a close friend.

Dusty Nothing · 10-16-2008, 02:24 PM

I agree with the post above, the belief in magic really is a belief in a universal energy. Not that these energies cannot be positive or negative though, I once knew an incredible psychic woman, she was incredibley aware of the adversial affects of certain forms of magic, she refused to even use tarot cards.... which I did find rather strange at the time.

tone3jaguar · 10-16-2008, 08:41 PM

Native Shaman is a relatively ambiguous reference. Native to what?

10-16-2008, 08:59 PM

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borrasca2012 · 10-16-2008, 09:10 PM

....if u know how to loose...........u know how to get ............

MargueriteBee · 10-17-2008, 04:24 AM

The condition of ones magic mirrors the condition of ones heart vibration. Magic IS, let it flow, tempered by loving wisdom. Be responsible for your thought forms and be gentle with yourself.

MargueriteBee · 10-18-2008, 02:44 AM

Huh?

paigetheoracle · 10-21-2008, 12:46 PM

It's not black or white magic but just common sense - if you think of your life force as a balloon then any leak will shrink it to nothing and you are dead as a body i.e. sent elsewhere/ no longer contained in a body.

Gnosis5 · 10-21-2008, 06:21 PM

When I get around to researching "white magic" (let's just call it that for now) I will follow the route of PEAT, using multi-viewpoint processing on everyone and everything (yes, even the wall, if need be) until there are no longer any objections to my intention. This is magic that will not kick back on one and prematurely age them. Always process with clean intentions.

Hope that contributes to the knowledgebase.

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnWdoe

One will die,

I was told by a close friend and 5th generation Native Shaman that if man uses his life force (magic meditation) he will lose his life force and wither, it is known even the white shamans (healers) seemed to find this fate and that asks many questions which me and my good friend debated.

Is there such a thing as white magic or is it all a variation of black, personally i like to call it grey.

Anyone heard this concept before.

EDIT*

i am in no way trying to make anyone panic for odd reasons, its just an idea or theory given to me by a close friend.

Heretic · 10-21-2008, 06:36 PM

as a practitioner of the use of chi, I can say with confidence that you can never run out of it

in fact it really isn't yours to lose in the first place

you are simply a conduit of already existing energy

I suppose you can burn the body out in a way that would limit your capacity to hold it though

but death? I have never heard of such a thing in my travels

now if you are talking about dark magic in which you "trade" your life force with a menevolent being for something in return (power, riches, fame) then I suppose that is plausible, but that is not the natural order of things and a totally different scenario than just using your own capacity to channel such energies

IMHO magic is practice of using charms, spells, or rituals

it is the intent that defines it as white or dark magic

my two cents

Gnosis5 · 10-21-2008, 06:45 PM

In our "infant" state as beings we simply generated energy as a function of our creations. I have the suspicion, but need to look further, but I have the suspicion that our initial creations did not involve energy as we now know it.

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Originally Posted by Heretic

as a practitioner of the use of chi, I can say with confidence that you can never run out of it

in fact it really isn't yours to lose in the first place

you are simply a conduit of already existing energy

I suppose you can burn the body out in a way that would limit your capacity to hold it though

but death? I have never heard of such a thing in my travels

now if you are talking about dark magic in which you "trade" your life force with a menevolent being for something in return (power, riches, fame) then I suppose that is plausible, but that is not the natural order of things and a totally different scenario than just using your own capacity to channel such energies

IMHO magic is practice of using charms, spells, or rituals

it is the intent that defines it as white or dark magic

my two cents

10-21-2008, 06:48 PM

Let's simplify this for discussion's sake.

"White Magic" = service to others, purity, Goodness, Light, Truth

"Black Magic" = service to the self, manipulation, deception, harm, darkness

"Grey Magic" = service to the self, if in a more roundabout way...it will (IMO) inevitably lead to the "black"

As others have stated, magic is energy put to use. It is inherently neutral when not honed by a practicing "magician" (shaman, medicine person, sorcerer, etc). It's all in *how and why* the energy is used and for what purposes.

10-16-2008, 11:05 AM	#1
JohnWdoe Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 191	A Native Shaman told me if one uses the life force One will die, I was told by a close friend and 5th generation Native Shaman that if man uses his life force (magic meditation) he will lose his life force and wither, it is known even the white shamans (healers) seemed to find this fate and that asks many questions which me and my good friend debated. Is there such a thing as white magic or is it all a variation of black, personally i like to call it grey. Anyone heard this concept before. EDIT* i am in no way trying to make anyone panic for odd reasons, its just an idea or theory given to me by a close friend.

10-16-2008, 02:24 PM	#3
Dusty Nothing Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Burntwood, United Kingdom Posts: 39	Re: A Native Shaman told me if one uses the life force I agree with the post above, the belief in magic really is a belief in a universal energy. Not that these energies cannot be positive or negative though, I once knew an incredible psychic woman, she was incredibley aware of the adversial affects of certain forms of magic, she refused to even use tarot cards.... which I did find rather strange at the time.

10-16-2008, 08:41 PM	#4
tone3jaguar Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: www.altimatrix.com Posts: 1,525	Re: A Native Shaman told me if one uses the life force Native Shaman is a relatively ambiguous reference. Native to what?

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borrasca2012 Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 88	Re: A Native Shaman told me if one uses the life force ....if u know how to loose...........u know how to get ............

10-17-2008, 04:24 AM	#7
MargueriteBee Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 216	Re: A Native Shaman told me if one uses the life force The condition of ones magic mirrors the condition of ones heart vibration. Magic IS, let it flow, tempered by loving wisdom. Be responsible for your thought forms and be gentle with yourself.

10-18-2008, 02:44 AM	#8
MargueriteBee Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Northern California Posts: 216	Re: A Native Shaman told me if one uses the life force Huh?

10-21-2008, 12:46 PM	#9
paigetheoracle Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Scotland Posts: 23	Re: A Native Shaman told me if one uses the life force It's not black or white magic but just common sense - if you think of your life force as a balloon then any leak will shrink it to nothing and you are dead as a body i.e. sent elsewhere/ no longer contained in a body.

10-21-2008, 06:36 PM	#11
Heretic Avalon Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Now Posts: 371	Re: A Native Shaman told me if one uses the life force as a practitioner of the use of chi, I can say with confidence that you can never run out of it in fact it really isn't yours to lose in the first place you are simply a conduit of already existing energy I suppose you can burn the body out in a way that would limit your capacity to hold it though but death? I have never heard of such a thing in my travels now if you are talking about dark magic in which you "trade" your life force with a menevolent being for something in return (power, riches, fame) then I suppose that is plausible, but that is not the natural order of things and a totally different scenario than just using your own capacity to channel such energies IMHO magic is practice of using charms, spells, or rituals it is the intent that defines it as white or dark magic my two cents

10-21-2008, 06:48 PM	#13
Whitewolf Guest Posts: n/a	Re: A Native Shaman told me if one uses the life force Let's simplify this for discussion's sake. "White Magic" = service to others, purity, Goodness, Light, Truth "Black Magic" = service to the self, manipulation, deception, harm, darkness "Grey Magic" = service to the self, if in a more roundabout way...it will (IMO) inevitably lead to the "black" As others have stated, magic is energy put to use. It is inherently neutral when not honed by a practicing "magician" (shaman, medicine person, sorcerer, etc). It's all in how and why the energy is used and for what purposes.