No opt-out of filtered Internet,Australia then where else?

[Orion11]

hi magii, i think you misinterpreted what he meant,

i think He's talking about what the PTB tell you,
and then what they really mean by it,

surely if they told you the true intentions of their actions,
it wouldnt be so easy or accepted.

therefore they have to tell you, for example, that they are going to start patrolling your streets for your protection from criminals/"terrorists"... armed to the T, when really, we all know thats not the real reason for it. Its to protect their ability to control.

chill out homie... we're all on the same side..... arent we? lol

Bless

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Magii

NO need for Policemen - just get everyone educated on using Guns / Protecting themselvs..

A properly educated mass of people wouldnt feel the need to use guns. Its called self soveirgnty.

And besides this analogy is so loose it doesnt even have any merit in this conversation.

Originally Posted by Magii

No Need for a Fireman - Heck .. if u have a fire .. use water and pray

Again completely irrelivent. Its obvious you lack any solid grounds for an argument.

Originally Posted by Magii

No need for any sort of service from anyone else -- Lets go back into the stone age , Hunt & farm ...

Yes actually, we would be much better off. Take a look at the world around you, dont be so foolish as to assume that the government is doing anything for your protection, i assume, mate that any precautions they are putting in place where it concerns your protection is entirely for their own benifit.

Did you really come down in the last shower?

Originally Posted by Magii

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I'm not assuming anything for EVERYONE --
Im 100% sure .. majority common folk have NO IDEA on Internet Security, Firewalls, etc ...

Ohh yes, so why not completely throw them behind virtual bars, grow up your solutions to problems are overly orweilian. Why not TEACH them how to use Internet security.. wouldnt that seem a tad more logical??

Originally Posted by Magii

why not protect these people?

Im afraid by saying this you are assuming something for everyone. Im completely stumped at the fact that people on this earth hold opinions on such matters which they obviously know so little about (either that or they are comfortable with the notion of being chained like dogs with very limited freedom). No, really. This isnt harsh, your a human being, an adult. Its your duty to know right from wrong, if you were a politician my fate would be in your ill-informed uneducated hands.

Please educate yourself because right now its people like you that have humanity in this horrible mess.

You obviously have no clue about whats been going on in the past 100 years. We as a race have been systematically forced down to our knees to accept the heirachial suppression that our 'masters' so very much want.

And until you educate yourself you truly dont deserve an opinion.

[Magii]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Please educate yourself because right now its people like you that have humanity in this horrible mess.

You obviously have no clue about whats been going on in the past 100 years. We as a race have been systematically forced down to our knees to accept the heirachial suppression that our 'masters' so very much want.

And until you educate yourself you truly dont deserve an opinion.

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Please educate yourself because right now its people like you that have humanity in this horrible mess.

Oh so now I'm in a class of Humanity that is making a big mess ...

Systematically forced down to our knees ?

I'm a good observer - I dont see anyone on there knees.. unless they want to be on their knees ..

And until you educate yourself you truly dont deserve an opinion.

You sound very angry + upset ... If it means anything to you .. Have a free hug!


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[ghglenn]

Let me get this straight...Magii, you do not believe in freedom of speech?

[Magii]

Originally Posted by ghglenn

Let me get this straight...Magii, you do not believe in freedom of speech?

So we are going from a computer security issue ..

to Freedom of Speech?>

Whats next ? Deal or NO Deal?

[ghglenn]

It is not about user computers being "protected". It is about filtering what information you get to look at from the internet...i.e.-fringe forums that discuss people's concerns about the rogue behavior of their governments, UFO's, Etc. Know any? You are living under a rock.

[Magii]

Originally Posted by ghglenn

It is not about user computers being "protected". It is about filtering what information you get to look at from the internet...i.e.-fringe forums that discuss people's concerns about the rogue behavior of their governments, UFO's, Etc. Know any? You are living under a rock.

Sorry .. please go and read the article

Here is a snip

"Under the government's $125.8 million Plan for Cyber-Safety, users can switch between two blacklists which block content inappropriate for children, and a separate list which blocks illegal material. "

The Filter is for 2 different options ..

One blocks content thats not appropirate for kids
and the other blocks illegal material

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The other stuff your stating is speculation ...

[McMaster]

Hi, I didn't read the last couple posts, but this sounds very similar to what they already pushed through in Finland. In Finland they pushed it trough by using child pornography as a skapegoat.

I'll post a link to this one guys website who started openly run against this "childporn-blocker". And was later cencored himself by Finnish police.

Here is more:
www.lapsiporno.info

And personally I'm totally against anything like this. Trojans, viruses, malware comes from everywhere else than these so called "illegal" sites. You don't even have to be on internet to get a virus from the world wide network. What they are saying is that they could ban any site that would have something someone would classify as illegal. Example Project Avalon could be put on the list because someone has posted a link to somewhere that "elite" consideres illegal and therefore PC would be banned because it is containing links to an illegal material. This is what they are doing in Finland now, even tho it is illegal.

Originally Posted by Magii

So we are going from a computer security issue ..

to Freedom of Speech?>

Whats next ? Deal or NO Deal?

Originally Posted by Magii

Sorry .. please go and read the article

Here is a snip

"Under the government's $125.8 million Plan for Cyber-Safety, users can switch between two blacklists which block content inappropriate for children, and a separate list which blocks illegal material. "

The Filter is for 2 different options ..

One blocks content thats not appropirate for kids
and the other blocks illegal material

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The other stuff your stating is speculation ...

You contradict yourself Magii. You say it's about net security then quote that it is about filtering content, ie deciding for everyone else what is appropriate for them to view.

Who decides what gets filtered? TPB. Who decides what is illegal? TPB. So all it takes is one law that bans dissent against the government and their policies and nobody can access any information on it anymore. Places like Avalon would become inaccessible.

You use tactics I've seen before. You don't answer the points raised by others directly because you can't, you twist their words to attempt to make it look like they are saying something else, you ridicule their arguments with blatantly false logic (ie your Freedom of Speech and Deal or No Deal comment, or your argument that the need for trained firefighters is linked to freedom of speech) and generally try to derail the thread in any way possible.

If you have any VALID points to make please do so.

[Genevieve]

This is a VERY important issue to my mind.

Internet "filtering" DOES equal the decline of freedom of speech Magi!!!

We all know that history is written by the victors and censorship has been rampant in the world since recorded times. The internet - while having a lot of apparent "useless information" - it has also for the first time in history allowed the world wide almost "instant" exchange of ideas and events - unhindered by the censorship of the current PTB.

Where the TRUTH is lies in our own personal interpretation.

However anyone that SUPRESSES any individual expressing their thoughts is directly violating the freedom of speech of that individual.

Try living in China and googling Tianemen Square!!! Their internet is filtered to the point that all that comes up is a history of the place and NOTHING about the student massacre of 1989!!!

THAT is what internet filtering leads to!!


Just a small example of one search engines response to all this....

"......The popular search engine Google was temporarily blocked by the government of China in September 2002. Chinese Internet users were unable to access the search engine. In addition, requests for Google from within China were redirected to Chinese search engines. (1) At the time, Google issued a statement indicating that they were working with the Chinese authorities to restore access to Google. (2) (3) China lifted the block on the Google search engine soon thereafter. (4)

In a recent interview, the co-founder of Google, Sergey Brin, stated that Google did not negotiate with the Chinese government to have Google unblocked. (5) Brin suggests that 'popular demand' forced the government to enable access to Google. Google is currently accessible to Internet users in China.

However, our tests show that while Google is accessible to Chinese users, not all of its functions are available; because of China's content filtering technologies, users of Google within China experience a much different Google than those outside. As our tests below indicate, China blocks access to the Google cache and to searches that contain certain keywords. (6) Neither China's keyword filtering nor the mechanism used to filter the Google cache is specific to Google. China's usual Internet controls apply when users search for specific keywords in Google: their connection to Google is terminated and they receive no results from their search. Thus, while China's filtering affects Google searches, the system is entirely independent of Google. ....."

Ultimately its up to you what you choose to look at on the internet - same as its up to you to choose what you allow yourself or your children to view on TV - or at the library or anywhere else in life.
I for one trust my own discretion in this matter and i DO NOT want some authoritarian power telling me what i can and cannot look at or read!!

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Magii

Oh so now I'm in a class of Humanity that is making a big mess ...

Through your complete lack of understanding of the true situation yes, you are part of the mass of people who continue to let big brother "protect" them and keep them "safe" , although we are all aware of what this protection does in the long run.

Let me divert your attention to the Patriot act which was passed after the 9/11 Tradgedies. This bill was inforced with the intention of 'protecting' the people when in fact all it does is give the government the same powers that Nazi Germany managed to sneak through congress which eventually led to the manipulation and extermination of many millions of people.

And it was passed due to the ignorance of people like you, its your repsonsibility to know this.
The blood of the innocent is on the hands of the ignorant.

When history repeats itself, do you even notice?

Originally Posted by Magii

I'm a good observer - I dont see anyone on there knees.. unless they want to be on their knees ..

You dont see anyone on their knees? You dont see the people undergoing constant restrictions, day by day having their rights and freedoms slowly yet sneakily taken away from them.

I have one question for you, do you have eyes?


And you dont see country after country in the middle east falling to their knees? You dont see thousands of innocent people being slaughtered on their own lands by a highly technologically evolved military untit. You dont see children being blown to bits with bombs.

Ok, let me open your eyes for you ;

I would ask that the moderators dont delete these following pictures, they media are afraid to show them but we must recognise that this is what is going on in the world. This is the fruits of our labour ;




Can you see yet?

Originally Posted by Magii

You sound very angry + upset ... If it means anything to you .. Have a free hug!

I am very angry and upset. And its not a hug i need, i need my fellow people to wake up and realise what is going around them. I need them to take back their power and start being responsible for themselves and their families.

But, this is nothing new. This is the fall and rise of civilisations, our history has repeated itself more times then i care to count. And until each person assumes personal soverignty then it will continue to repeat itself many more times.

[Magii]

I picked the wrong TV Game show .. Deal or no deal wasnt right ..


Its more like 1 vs 100


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If you guys wanna speculate what on the "filter" is gonna have / not have ...so be it ..

There is a big difference from annoucing your gonna setup a filter .. then just doing it ( ie China) ...its Transparent! People know whats happening - if they want it so be it .. if they dont theres time to get rid of it ...

[Magii]

Originally Posted by 2infinityandbeyond

Through your complete lack of understanding of the true situation yes,

Great pictures .. Now to prove a point .. why didnt you show all the BeHeading Pictures that terrorist did ?

Show all the Headless pictures... how about all the people who were chemical attacked ?


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Let me guess .. in the spirit of whatever civilization you are apart of .. that will be Deamed .. Distastefull ... or not something you want to post / show .. etc

Which goes back to the point ... FILTERING OUT inapproiate things for CHILDREN or Illegal Content ..

Even this Forum is Censored .. are you going to complain about that too?

THE TPB of this FORUM GEt to DELETE / REMOVED anything they want ...

DO you guys like spammed forums? Do you guys like porn links ?

I can do this all day ..

Originally Posted by Magii

Great pictures .. Now to prove a point .. why didnt you show all the BeHeading Pictures that terrorist did ?

Show all the Headless pictures... how about all the people who were chemical attacked ?


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Let me guess .. in the spirit of whatever civilization you are apart of .. that will be Deamed .. Distastefull ... or not something you want to post / show .. etc

Which goes back to the point ... FILTERING OUT inapproiate things for CHILDREN or Illegal Content ..

Even this Forum is Censored .. are you going to complain about that too?

THE TPB of this FORUM GEt to DELETE / REMOVED anything they want ...

DO you guys like spammed forums? Do you guys like porn links ?

I can do this all day ..

Thank you for proving every point I made.

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Magii

Great pictures .. Now to prove a point .. why didnt you show all the BeHeading Pictures that terrorist did ?

After being taken hostage on September 16, 2004, Armstrong was beheaded on 20 September 2004 by the Tawhid and Jihad militant group. Abu Musab al-Zarqawi admitted that he personally beheaded Armstrong. The following day, the group beheaded fellow American Jack Hensley, and threatened to kill their third hostage, Briton Kenneth Bigley, unless the United States met their demands to free all women prisoners in Iraqi jails. Bigley was later beheaded in October 2004.

People are capable of terrible things when they are forced to endure traumatic experiences.

But yes, you choose to just see this beheading as a "terrorist act" you however fail to recognise that these people were being invaded by a foreign country and in the process had to watch as cluster bombs tore apart their children and their innocent woman were condemed to rot in jail.

You also fail to consider the reports of many soldiers who have testified that when approaching a village they were briefed by their commanders to shoot "everyone in the village, including woman and children" if one person opened fire.

Personally, if i had to watch this happen my family and my the people in my country id be pretty ****** off too!.

Originally Posted by Magii

Let me guess .. in the spirit of whatever civilization you are apart of .. that will be Deamed .. Distastefull ... or not something you want to post / show .. etc

Not at all, im quite capable of debating matters such as this. Unlike you i dont close my eyes to the facts.

Originally Posted by Magii

Which goes back to the point ... FILTERING OUT inapproiate things for CHILDREN or Illegal Content ..

Ohh dont we need a scapegoat for everything. In that logic lets ban people from using cars because just in this country alone over 300 people die on our roads every year.

Originally Posted by Magii

Even this Forum is Censored .. are you going to complain about that too?

THE TPB of this FORUM GEt to DELETE / REMOVED anything they want ...

DO you guys like spammed forums? Do you guys like porn links ?

Porn links? Im old enough to choose not to click a link that i find distastefull. (I'm also old enough to watch porn if i want to, i dont need other people to decide whats appropriate for me thank you very much)
And also, if you dont want children to view these things it can be easily remedied by any parent. There are such things as content control.

But no, lets go Orwelian on everyones a$$!

Originally Posted by Magii

I can do this all day ..

You can do what all day, prove that you completely lack any debating skills? Well, its rather funny so please, continue.

[Magii]

Originally Posted by Sunrunner

Thank you for proving every point I made.

Excuse me but I wasnt the one who shifted the topic from Internet Security / Filters

to Blah blah blah about more blah blah blah of XYZ to ABC of everything you can mix into this ...


I've been straight to the point .. If you cant see it... Dunno what to tell you ..

And all the other posts ... I guess your talking about when I called people out for fear mongering ..

Exactly as you said .. People shifted from the topic to other things .. your right on .. but thats not me doing it .. its them .. !

[2infinityandbeyond]

Originally Posted by Magii

Excuse me but I wasnt the one who shifted the topic from Internet Security / Filters

to Blah blah blah about more blah blah blah of XYZ to ABC of everything you can mix into this ...

This topic goes far beyond its intitial content.

[TranceAm]

Originally Posted by Tez

It isn't about filters or virus protection on your computer for online security Magii,

It is all about the government trying to control what you can access and what you cannot, it is simple as that.

It has nothing to do with protecting the people from spam, trojans, viruses or online threats.
It is about having our freedoms taken away, yet again.

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Who needs a book burning, if no one knows that the books that the government needs burned exist?. ;-)

Orwell.. No need for rewriting things that the people don't know about. (And the media and governments are already under control to keep people in the dark about what is going on by controlling the ideas/memes that spread/go viral among the masses..)

http://www.benfrank.net/disinfo/ <- Teaches enough, also about some posters on the internet EVEN on this forum.

[Magii]

Originally Posted by TranceAm

http://www.benfrank.net/disinfo/ <- Teaches enough, also about some posters on the internet EVEN on this forum.

Thats a nice link .. I think cut & copying is in order !

[Treckie]

Originally Posted by Magii

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The Filter is for 2 different options ..

One blocks content thats not appropirate for kids
and the other blocks illegal material

Please define illegal?
Because a lot of my research (ancient history) would fall under the terrorism act just like this site would.

There are already filters for protecting your children and for iffy people on your pc. Just turn them on.

This wave of censorship has been creeping over from China over the last few years. And all the thanks goes to one US company for writing and monitoring the software which will change the web and our lives as we know it forever. Microsoft....

A lot of web surfers only seem to be interested in simply things, like games, fashion, sport etc, and will not wander to far from their bubble. So a controlled web would go unnoticed and unchallenged by them. With their attitude, “if you’re not doing anything wrong”

But i for one am like dog shyte, i'm everywhere. The freedom of clicking on a random link and discovering something totally new can only be describe as wondrous. The information that I have accumulated over the years could knock a few so-called historians off their pedal stools.
Blasphemy also comes to mind. Life of Brian. “Stone the b_astard”.

But under this censorship, it will all be locked out under the terrorism act; other folk’s material and mine will become illegal. So the government & co's little seedy doctrines will be allowed to flourish. All history and facts will be rewritten within a couple of generations.
Welcome to the world of.

Gods and slaves.

"If the facts don't fit the theory, change the facts." - Albert Einstein

[Antaletriangle]

Australia planning to block 10,000 websites
By Bonnie Malkin in Sydney
Last Updated: 5:17AM GMT 14 Nov 2008

The websites will be blocked as part of a government-sponsored trial of its filter technology that will start before Christmas and last six weeks.

The government has already identified 1300 websites that it wants to black list as part of the clean feeds scheme.

Communications Minister Stephen Conroy said the sites mostly contained child pornography and other unwatned content, including images and videos.

"While the ACMA blacklist is currently around 1300 URLs, the pilot will test against this list - as well as filtering for a range of URLs to around 10,000 - so that the impacts on network performance of a larger blacklist can be examined," se said.

The government is calling for ISP providers to express interest in taking part in the trial. Just one ISP has volunteered so far.

A spokesman for Mr Conroy said: ''The pilot will provide an invaluable opportunity for ISPs to inform the Government’s approach.

''The live pilot will provide valuable real-world evidence of the potential impact on internet speeds and costs to industry and will help ensure we implement a filtering solution that is efficient, effective and easy for Australian families to use.''

A trial of web-filtering technology earler this year found it could slow internet access by as much as 87 per cent and by at least 2 per cent. Australia's internet service is already notoriously sluggish.

The proposed filter is highly unpopular with civil liberty groups and the internet service industry.

Colin Jacobs, board member of Electronic Frontiers Australia said he was concerned at what would be deemed "unwanted content".

"It is unclear how ACMA will scale up their blacklist to 10,000 websites and what will go on the list," he told the Melbourne Herald-Sun.

"Conroy said the list would contain illegal and unwanted content but we still have to see what would end up on that list.


"Under the current mandate that includes adult material, which would mean most material that could be rated R and, in some circumstances, material rated MA15+."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sciencean...-websites.html

So, what are you going to do about it?

My place of employment has filtered rense.com as extreme politics/hate speech. How is this different from book burning? How long before I am strip searched for contraband? How long before we are living the reality of Farenheit 451?

Do you doubt that Avalon will be filtered?



Henry Deacon hinted that the internet had 500 days left. That would be early 2010 if his information is accurate.

Now is the time to explore alternatives such as Freenet, the modem based FIDONET and ham radio based digital content

Before you are obliged to resort back to hand courier.

Do not forget that Aleksandr Solzhenitzyn went to prison for comments made to a friend in a private letter disparaging the government.

[pineal-pilot-in merkabah]

without communication we are toast... i like your ideas baggy