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Hi unloadedgunn, I think perhaps you might have misinterpreted some of my comments.. but certainly my intention... I'd respectfully ask you to read some of my other posts on this forum, before rushing to judgement, or making such derogatory/dismissive comments quite so quickly... I'm not at all the person you seem to have judged me as being! No matter what my thoughts/feelings, I'm entitled as everyone else here to express my views, even if they do not exactly mirror your own. At least I aim to do so without any hint of personal attack/verbal nastiness... I dont wish to enter into any argument with you (or anyone else!) but would just say that what might be judged "idle rumination about inconsequential drivel" by you, is actually quite important for me personally, and is, for me, part and parcel of the whole concept of 'acting' and 'doing' something positive for humanity. When you say you wish "threads like this one hit the dustbin first"... that's not only closing down/dismissing other people's input/ideas/views, but, for someone who says they have "a VERY positive attitude about my future and the future of mankind", well, you seem to have made a pretty negative post here. I dont want to fight, or have an ongoing discussion about it, am just trying to explain where I'm coming from a bit more.. as I think you're labelling me/judging me a bit harshly! in peace, |
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I don't wish to argue either. My previous post expresses MY opinion, period. If you don't agree, that's OK. I hope that someday before TSHTF that this forum will be used to its potential, to establish community and give people the physical means to "opt out", until then... well I don't know whether we're elitist or alarmist, but we are like so many; afraid of real change and of taking responsibility for our actions.
As an aside if you are aspiring towards humanitarian aid on other continents, I would suggest the UNICEF, Heifer Project, Peace Corp, etc. websites. If you take this approach there will be MORE SUBSTANCE here for the casual observer. I am personally afraid that a first time viewer of this site might be immediately disillusioned or disgusted by the irrelevance of most of the posts and move on. This could literally cost lives... chew on that for a while. |
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oh dear. I'm not sure whether to reply or just leave it alone to be honest, as I sense your tone is quite hostile towards me. Anyroads, I do already take GREAT responsibility for my actions. And am no "aspiring" humanitarian.. I'm just me, and I already actively support and do my bit for several global and local causes, including ActionAid, Shelter, Water Aid and SOS Children's Villages, amongst others. I already do as much as I can, with limited time, energy and resources. OK, I think perhaps we have to just leave our differences as differences... as we seem to be at some kind of impasse, even though seemingly aiming for the same ultimate purpose... SAVING LIVES! in Peace, |
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Good point Eaglespirit,
Here is something else to consider asto: the radiant/safe zones that are emerging may be self-contained and self-sufficient, but they are by no means seperatist. Seperatism would smack of elitism, but, while they wait for whatever cataclysm they are waiting for, they are interacting with local folks, hitting the flea markets and grocery stores, using the same parks, playing the same recreational sports, working in the same offices, etc. There is nothing about the safe/radiant zone philosophy that would serve to alienate individuals on a compound, like many of the religious and militia like settlements that dot the landscape. The whole safe/radiant zone philosophy is such that it is imperitive that they reach out to others around them, so that locals know that there is a safe place that welcomes them when the SHTF. If you are building a radiant/safe zone, and are not making preparations for a massive influx of people seeking safety, you might be missing the point. Another point about the so-called "third world." I tend to agree with eXchanger to a certain degree. In many ways, they are the truly free ones. While it may be a hardscrabble existence in many respects, living in a country that has no fossil fuels or other internationally demanded natural resources reduces the possibility that the great clash between Eastern and Western greed will be fought in their backyard. It seems to me that they don't really need to contemplate these issues, since they will not have to confront them. With that being said, the horrors of colonialism and post-colonialism should never be forgotten, and there are still many problems that they must confront. And, I think it might be a tad ethnocentric to assume that the people of say, the Congo, are not discussing the very philosophies of freedom, fairness, hope, and health that we are here - they are just doing it face to face. Intellectual discussion is not elitism - to not allow our brains to wo/ander about such things is to languish precisely according to plan. |
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Thank You All!
As You can see..if Astropsyche did not start this thread...we probably would not have energized the antithesis of elitism and shown how we can ride the stream of change that will "feed" the world with love...in synchronistic exponentiality as more of Us than ever are getting together in loving consciousness in the now! ... Everything Is Energy...Everything Is Alive! Your Own Energy of Aliveness is fueled by Your Own Awareness and Feelings and Thoughts and Actions! Hunger is a living being that we feed. Prejudice is a living being that we feed. Jealousy is a living being that we feed. Hate is a living being that we feed. Politics is a living being that we feed. Greed is a living being that we feed. War is a living being that we feed. The 'powers that be' are a living being that we feed. Stop feeding them and make a conscious decision to evict them all from our planet...your planet. You each are of the loving power to do this... so just do it. Embrace your own power of love instead of "allowing" those living beings of discord to feed off of you. These living beings of disharmony will either change to love or leave...pronto! |
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Again...you have hit the nail on the head. I like your forthright approach. And what you say is true about first time viewers...and this is why the forum clear out is a good idea. Active aggression AND passive aggression directed at this forum and the majority of genuine members...is a waste of everyone's time..........No matter how 'sweetly' it is presented........ |
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Some may think they are elitist perhaps? and enjoy to intellectually analyse things to death, then physically do nothing.Yet i think we would all be surprised to discover that the majority of us do actually use the information constructively and by the universal ripple effect, vital information is shared, by simple word of mouth.
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Hi, I have read some of the posts here but not all, forgive me if I repeat something.
I live in denmark, a very rich country, very! I dont consider myself wealthy, I'm a gardener, my wife a nurse. Not exactly high income, but we have 2 cars, own our own house, can afford to visit my country of birth (uk) whenever we feel like it, we eat well and have a very comfortable life. I do not feel guilty about having access to information that others do not and I dont feel elitist. In denmark just about every household has at least 1 pc and internet access, but if you try and talk to most of them about this kind of info, they dont want to know. Basically people have just got too much luxury and politically no one wants to rock the boat or make waves, cos they are too busy enjoying yet another flat screen t.v, mobile phone, cd, dvd player etc... virtually every person I talk to about NWO, media control, al gores climate fairy tale etc... just dont want to know, they have access to info and choose not to look at it, I used to get frustrated and even angry, but now I just think - ok your choice if you want to ignore it, fine. So this is the other end of the scale, the very wealthy choosing to ignore whats really happening, as opposed to poorer people who have no access to info. read this link to see how a whole nation is being brainwashed, the writer really hits the nail on the head. btw I have lived here for 21 years. http://www.rense.com/general83/dk.htm peace |
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Offering my perspective here as someone that often is viewed as an 'elitist'. I view this forum as a tool in which those that come here may use it to explore, expand and perhaps pivot within their personal beliefs. Everyone is coming from a unique perspective of individualized consciouness and perhaps are learning how to blend to their higher-selves. In this process, some group together in resonation on topics others have opposing views. This is as it should be, and is normal in a public forum and exchange.
In my experience, the more one explores the topics of creation, spirituality, paranormal phenomenon, conspiracy, quantum theories, time/space, world order, the multiverse, history and language - you reach a point of clear understanding of your own personal truth and along the way have fine-tuned a dogma-free discernment filter. So when you are at this point and are living in your truth, it's nice to attract and find others that have arrived at that place - where openess, singularity and multi-dimensional perspectives are blended. I think this is where others on "the path" to this place will label us as 'elitism' - it's an ego-projection. Not a criticism, just an observation. What we have just been through in the past 12 months of linear-perception time, is the equivalent of compressed decades of consciouness expansion - and many more are arriving at that place. I think of this forum, and others, as tools that some may use in the process. |
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Oh, geez, you made a judgemental statement about all of us on here and because some of us got upset your packing up your bat and ball, don't go I love you too and your contributions. It is just if you knew what has happened to me during my life you would definitely not put me in the elitist category.
And I am sure others on the forum have'nt had it easy at times as well. We didn't ask to be where we are now, we were advised and then made the decision, or so a stream of philosophy goes, and talking about philosophy you of all people should know about that. |
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I AM HEARING. You sure are ! ,,,,,,,,,,and in 3 lines too! Is this forum "elitist"? ,,,,nnnNo, a better word would be "graced". "Sharp shooting paranoid grubby middle class survivalist" would be far too unkind, and that would exclude most of the more influential members anyway. "Build it and they will come" is a tad biblical and smacks of fictional heroism. "Lead, follow or get out of the way" is N.A.T.Z.I. in long hand. "Predictive excellence" just wouldn't apply. "community building" sounds sweet until it gets trolled by common sense. "Multi user programmable spiritual arrival". Now that's............. Naah, unless I'm missing something here. HELP ! ! ! Nope. "Graced" is the word I pick. We're all very fortunate and the word adequately covers all of us. |
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Sooooooo, Let's grease up our wing-joints with "grace" so that we may "act" as though 4th density love is here and now and it will "be" here and now and then we may come to have full use of our "graceful" wings to smoothly ride the loving winds into the 5th density of loving lightfulness! : ) The 4th(love) and 5th(love&light) are here, "Embrace With Grace!" |
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Hello all...
I want to come back to this thread to say something.. though I realise am in danger of re-highlighting a post that appears negative.. and I dont want to re-start any clashes.. with anyone!! I'm here to say I'm really sorry if I offended anyone by my posts in this thread. Even though the essence of the points raised by Astropsyche did/do resonate with me personally in a certain sense ... I'm not sure if my feeling/intent was the same as how it came across.. as I was truly not meaning to 'attack' anyone here.. nor as a general 'attack' on this forum! I really didn't mean my comments to be taken as a blanket statement about PA/PC, nor all its mods/members, which I realise is how it might have looked. Yes, I was unhappy with a certain mod who behaved less than civilly to me last week, but that wasn't why I came back to Avalon to post nor what I was orignially trying to convey. I really didn't mean to cause any offence or upset, and I'm sorry if I did folks. I considered (yesterday) editing my posts, but felt that was in some way evading responsibility or might appear like trying to hide something ?? .. so I left them alone and instead taken time to think about the whole thing and examine my conscience/self before posting here now. my wording wasn't quite as calm or clear as I felt/intended.. (sometimes I wish email/writing could be HEARD as well as read, as our 'tone' can so easily be misread!) ... and yes, possibly subconsciously I was still feeling a tad upset/unfairly treated and shocked by what had happened with my posts/one of mods the previous week... I felt that whole thing was harsh/unreasonable and felt like I was being 'lumped in' with others who were seemingly being classed as 'troublemakers' or having some personal axe to grind against PA/PC.. which absoutely wasn't the case with me at all.. . I have no connections with ANYONE on PC/PA, nor any other forum or site, nor any axe to grind or personal agenda. I truly joined here last month with an open & happy heart, to learn / share / grow like anyone, and relieved to have found somewhere discussing the issues that mean a lot to me. As Astropsyche said in his/her last post, I too was including myself in the 'maybe we're all sat here navel-gazing too much' train of thought.. I had been seriously questioning myself about sitting here on PA/PC (and internet in general) so much, when there's so much to be done out in the 'real' world... I know I personally question myself LOTS on how much time/resources I spend doing things for 'ME' vs 'OTHERS'... especially as i am mostly unable to physcially get out and about to actively 'DO' things due to health (or lack of it! lol) .... and truth is, I had (after last weeks events) been feeling/wondering if PA/PC was a bit like a closed/cliquey "club" in some ways.... maybe also because I'm new to Forums/internet chat in general ? I've always been passionate about injustices/helping others in this world who are suffering or being mistreated, that's my own journey, if that makes me an "aspiring humanitarian" (or anything else) in someone else's eyes, that's ok.... maybe I come across as too intense when trying to put forward my views.. ? possibly too many years being so political or active/vocal in trying to 'change the system' ?! I know PA/PC is not about humanitarian/aid/charity work.. but in some strange way, to me these issues are not unlinked/disconnected from the overall purpose of PA .... or the coming events!!! I feel such a strong sense of injustice and indifference in this world to the plights/suffering of so many others (the 'out of sight, out of mind' mentality of so many).. just as I feel same way about the way the PTB/controllers of this world treat all us 'minions' etc... for me, the coming events/ascension/whatever is going to happen, is about people coming together/helping others, be it global scale or local... we just all have differing perceptions of what it is we feel we need to do I guess... for me, I really do sometimes sit and wonder to myself 'who the hell am I to be sat around thinking/reasearching about 2012, or whether I get taken out by a global flood, or earthquake, or whether UFO's will land, or Spirit will walk the earth, or if it'll be the 'nightmare scenario' some folks think.. when there's millions of folks with no food to eat today or tmorrow, nor a glass of clean water to drink, let alone a safe place to sleep?'.... I really DO question myself about these things. Lots. But please understand.... thats just MY own path, MY stuff, MY experieince and MY personal feelings/thoughts. I'm NOT saying it has to be yours !!!! I get myself through my worst days (in terms of health/pain/symptoms) by reminding myself that there's so many suffering in MUCH greater ways than me.. and finding reasons to feel thankful to at least be alive/on this earth to see another day. Point is, I never ever meant to guilt-trip or lecture anyone else at all... we all have reasons to feel grateful, and we do all have our own paths to tread... this is just mine. I try to share my thoughts/views in here, not impose them.. I realise I tend to write a lot, and also I write down exactly as my thoughts/feelings happen.. (old habits die hard I guess!) .. so it can be a bit like a 'stream of consciousness' as opposed to pre-planned/edited highlights of what's running through my mind! I also often have great difficulty writing/typing due to my condition, so it can take a LONG time for me write a post and by time I've finished writing I'm sometimes not feeling great (pain) so just hit "Submit Reply" without re-reading what I've written...Not an excuse, but does explain a bit! It's just how I write.. I suppose it either makes for interesting reading, or is a great cure for terminal insomnia, depending upon your personal view!! Anyway, I certainly didn't mean to be judgemental or demeaning to anyone here in expressing how I was feeling/thinking since last week. I HAD been questioning myself and my own navel-gazing, as well as whether or not to return to PA after last weeks events ... and when I looked in and saw someone else voicing what I'd been mulling over.. and I just jumped in feet first! Anyroads.. I just wanted to apologise if I upset anyone. I tried to say in my posts that I was not referring to all here... but maybe I didn't take enough care/time over wording what I was trying to say, and ended up giving a skewed impression, of my point of view, and of myself. Certainly I seem to have elicited quite a strong reaction from some folks, and whether all their comments/views about me/what sort of person I am are warranted or justified is not for me to say/judge... but I will take more care in future about how I share my feelings/views here ! Humble apologies p.s. Astropsyche.. why not give it another shot? There's soom good folk, and well intentioned folk in here.. and possibly like me, what you were trying to say in your thread didn't come across quite as intended?? Up to you! |
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