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Just quoting the 'Ring of Power' video which we were discussing. No...I simply copied and pasted the links. Here is one more, which may or may not, have a bearing on sovereignty and the Constitution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCMNu1ToWPA. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 05-06-2009 at 01:09 AM. |
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November 4, 1980: District electors approve the District of Columbia Statehood Constitutional Convention of 1979, which became D.C. Law 3-171 and which called for convening a state constitutional convention. November 2, 1982: After the constitutional convention, a Constitution for the State of New Columbia is ratified by District voters. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 05-06-2009 at 02:11 AM. |
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05-06-2009, 02:19 AM | #54 | |
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"The 'District of Columbia Act of 1871' turned D.C. into a municipal corporation." So it's a "municipal corporation." Here is what an online legal dictionary says a municipal corporation is: "...A municipal corporation is a city, town, village, or borough that has governmental powers. A municipality is a city, town, village, or, in some states, a borough. A corporation is an entity capable of conducting business. Cities, towns, villages, and some boroughs are called municipal corporations because they have the power to conduct business with the private sector.... ...Municipal corporations are an important feature of the political structure of the United States. Incorporating a municipality gives it the freedom to form a society that is distinct from other localities in the state and around the country. This idea of local control is the same concept that animates the constitutional division of the country into a collection of smaller states. By giving municipalities some autonomy, individuals are more capable of participating in politics and gaining a measure of control over their lives than if political activity occurred only on the federal and state levels." Here is the link to the full definition: Municipal Corporation I think the word "municipal" makes all the difference... |
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I wonder whether we can find the text of the "District of Columbia Act of 1871"... |
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05-06-2009, 03:30 AM | #56 |
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Here is yet another link: http://www.byronwine.com/files/1871.pdf. It is a discussion of the 1871 issue...which I don't necessarily endorse. I'm just passing it on. This isn't my issue. Actually...I'm much more interested in Constructive Competition, Positive Response Ability, and Constitutional Responsible Freedom...as it relates to the U.S. Constitution. I'm more interested in reading the Federalist Papers and Anti-Federalist Papers...and learning more about the founding of the United States and the formulation of the Constitution. I'm more interested in constitutional law and in how the Constitution is applied each and every day. I don't know a lot about all of the above...but I am making progress. Here is a positive approach to the Constitution: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mY5vO...eature=related.
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The United States Isn't a Country — It's a Corporation! by Lisa Guliani Lisa states: "...The date is February 21, 1871 and the Forty-First Congress is in session. I refer you to the "Acts of the Forty-First Congress," Section 34, Session III, chapters 61 and 62. On this date in the history of our nation, Congress passed an Act titled: "An Act To Provide A Government for the District of Columbia." This is also known as the "Act of 1871." What does this mean? Well, it means that Congress, under no constitutional authority to do so, created a separate form of government for the District of Columbia, which is a ten mile square parcel of land.... In essence, this Act formed the corporation known as THE UNITED STATES. Note the capitalization, because it is important. This corporation, owned by foreign interests, moved right in and shoved the original "organic" version of the Constitution into a dusty corner. With the "Act of 1871," our Constitution was defaced in the sense that the title was block-capitalized and the word "for" was changed to the word "of" in the title. The original Constitution drafted by the Founding Fathers, was written in this manner: 'The Constitution for the united states of America'. The altered version reads: "THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA". It is the corporate constitution. It is NOT the same document you might think it is. The corporate constitution operates in an economic capacity and has been used to fool the People into thinking it is the same parchment that governs the Republic. It absolutely is not." _______________________________________________ I found a link to the actual legislation: American Memory The author Lisa must be mistaken when she says "Acts of the Forty-First Congress," Section 34... because I see that "Sections" are subtitles of a "Chapter," not a "Congress." (There is a Section 34 of chapter 62, however.) Also, chapter 61 (pages 417 - 419) is entitled "Consular and Diplomatic Expenses Appropriation," so I don't know why she includes it. Additionally, I see from the index that chapter 60 is missing. Here is a copy of that index page: Here is a copy of the first page of the legislation, which is too long to post (pages 419 - 429). It begins half way down the page: Here is a copy of the Section 34 of chapter 62. It appears to be unrelated to the issue: I'm thinking that what this author Lisa Guliani must be saying is that subsequent to this legislation, our Constitution title changed to all capital letters, indicating corporate status. She says the Constitution originally read "The Constitution for the united states of America" and now it reads "THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA." I wonder whether we can verify this... David Icke writes about the significance of names written in all caps... Hmmm... _______________________________________________ Additional research: A direct response to Lisa's assertions, by G. Edward Griffin Last edited by Seashore; 05-06-2009 at 05:20 PM. Reason: Add information |
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Now that was a trippy video. Sure looks like a grey but who knows with all the tricks you can do. Does make me go "hmmm" though. |
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I'm just trying to sample a lot of different things and points of view...but not get bogged down on any one thing...or take anything too seriously. Here is yet another viewpoint on Washington D.C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eynHq...eature=related.
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seashore: Nice job researching. I would need to hear constitutional lawyers or university professors or seasoned researchers debate the issue of constitutional corruption. Everything needs to be reexamined in a rational manner. We have taken a lot of things for granted...and trusted a lot of people and institutions in an unquestioning way. This is obviously changing. I just hope and pray that when we throw out the bathwater...we don't throw out the baby as well. Forums such as Avalon may help us to arrive at correct conclusions...and achieve appropriate responses.
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A reading of the Bill of Rights...
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"Even more shocking to many Americans is the notion that the Bill of Rights is intended to protect our rights from officials and personnel of the federal government...
Our American ancestors were easily able to avoid conflating the federal government and the private sector. They had learned an important lesson from history and from personal experience, a lesson that unfortunately has been lost on many modern-day Americans: the greatest threat to the freedom and well-being of a citizenry lies not with foreigners but rather with their own government, especially a government with a large standing military force... " These quotes are taken from an essay entitled "Do We Still Need the Bill of Rights? by Jacob G. Hornberger, Posted December 10, 2008. |
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"February 1, 2009 End Of USA Quietly, with no media coverage, each state of the US is looking at a Constitutional Convention, which would in affect, eradicate the US as we know it, paving the way to the North American Union. Only two more states are needed to ratify the call for the Convention, which would edit and rewrite the Constitution. Obama is in favor of this--which may be why he is in office." |
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This is a quote from this article: "Another Constitutional Convention?" |
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Has the Constitution never really meant anything, or has it already been eliminated and it's too late?
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If Obama's citizenship issue raises it's ugly head...there may have to be a Constitutional Convention to keep him in office. This would likely result in civil unrest and even rioting...which might be the trigger for martial law...and the suspension of the Constitution. Just speculation. Other countries of the world may need to step up to the plate for the cause of responsible freedom. This is a worldwide issue. It is a fundamental ethical issue...and not a cultural or regional matter. Last edited by orthodoxymoron; 05-12-2009 at 01:32 PM. |
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Here is an excerpt from Gales & Seaton's History of Debates in Congress (Library of Congress website) concerning James Madison's effort to bring about the Bill of Rights: "AMENDMENTS TO THE CONSTITUTION Mr. MADISON rose... I wish, among other reasons why something should be done, that those who have been friendly to the adoption of this constitution may have the opportunity of proving to those who were opposed to it that they were as sincerely devoted to liberty and a Republican Government, as those who charged them with wishing the adoption of this constitution in order to lay the foundation of an aristocracy or despotism... ...I think we should obtain the confidence of our fellow-citizens, in proportion as we fortify the rights of the people against the encroachments of the Government." |
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Here is a website that I discovered today: Freedom.org (now Freedom21.org).
They are announcing a conference to be held in Oklahoma August 13 - 15, 2009 entitled "The Growing American Tyranny and How to Stop It"... Last edited by Seashore; 05-14-2009 at 01:51 AM. |
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Campaign for Liberty Conference Memorial Weekend Posted by Matt Hawes on 05/15/09 4:52 PM It's hard to believe that May is halfway over and next weekend is Memorial Day Weekend! We're excited about our upcoming Regional Conference in Seattle and are looking forward to a great time of inspiration, training, and networking. We've added a couple of fliers about the event to our "Handouts" section to help those of you in the Northwest area spread the word about the Conference. This flier emphasizes our free and open to the public Freedom Celebration with Dr. Paul and Tom Woods (taking place on Friday, May 22): And thanks to Michael Nystrom over at the Daily Paul for allowing us to add his great fliers. Get the full-size version here, and click here for a smaller, four-to-a-page PDF. Check out our Seattle Regional Conference event page for full agenda, registration, sponsorship, hotel, and travel details. If you are unable to make it out, consider sponsoring a student to attend. EVENT INFORMATION PAGE: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/event/2009seattle.php Source for article and links within article: http://www.campaignforliberty.com/bl...cpg=1#comments |
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I bet very, few if any, of you actually know that the the Constitution is not a legally binding contract and has, when brought up in a court of law, been thrown out because it is not legally binding. It only ever applied to those people who were alive at the time of its writing and were asked if they chose to live by it. Do you know why government exists? What is its purpose?
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I tend to think the last scenario, right from the beginning of our nation. The real power always cloaks itself to continue agendas unhindered. |
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