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Old 02-14-2010, 08:24 AM   #151
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First, before I go back and post in chronological order, I want to let you all know - The information we are being told now is that Heather JJ Anderson, HeatherJJAnderson was not killed in a car accident, that she has come out of hiding and is alive and well in Germany.

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date Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 8:49 PM (This time stamp is PST)
subject Kinsuemei2

I just called Marc (Marcus Sparacio) he told me that Heather, called him at around 10:30/25 tonight and well they fought on the phone from what I gather but, she is in europe and fine, Eleni also skyped me and gave me a message that heather gave to her about her being in strasboerg? so I dunno all I can say is I am quite mad right now, as according to marc this is my fault she wanted to dissapear and I made such a big deal about avalon she could not do it succselfully I don't know what to do about it so, I dunno I need some advice on what to do now, because I just don't know.
But I am going to have adrink
Now I will post in chronological order.
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Old 02-14-2010, 08:32 AM   #152
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Kinsuemei2 to Bill Ryan

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to bill@projectcamelot.org,
[name deleted]
karen@projectavalon.net,
[name deleted]
date Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:44 AM (Time stamp is PST)
subject Skype me

I had a very long chat with my wife last night and she is very upset by this whole ordeal, the heather info was heathers info, you can not show me an ip address and a dictated letter when I had already stated to Kerry in a audio interview that you did not know about the fact she was living with us, or that she was extremely scared, as my wife said you need more than facts I already gave to you, now if you did not hear the interview that's fine, but still no excuse for dragging my name through the mud.

I have six people that delt with Heather, of course that is not her real name, one of those is the manager of the motel we stay at, now what do you want for your pound of flesh to clear my name shylock? her death certificate, a picture of her and my wife together, perhaps you want to speak to my wife? I have told Kerry I will give you what ever you ask for but not on the internet, I will come to CA and hand it to Kerry if needs be I have her phone numbers, BUT I WILL PROTECT MY FAMILY, you being upset about this won't change my mind and it does not excuse what you have done from the evidence I now have it appears intentionally


now if you want to talk skype me, Brimstone944 just skype me and talk to me thats all I ask, I am a fighter by trade so if you thought this was going to be easy.. sorry I don't walk away from people and I am not intimidated by you, but if you can call me a liar you had better be able to do it to me because email wont cut it

oh and check the IP I am not being funny I am just proving a point. I know your learning the ropes on the systems but if your people had bothered to check the MAC address that's a "physical" address you would see the difference, as heather was in the other room that we paid for and don't lie and say its in cali because

Result:
67.132.69.188

Country: United States
Region: FL
City: Boca Raton
Postal Code:
Latitude: 26.3739
Longitude: -80.1468
Metro Code: 548
Area Code: US

of course I am in Orlando not Boca the motel company use boca they must do, so how the moderator that said it was in California that was just a error on his part or a blatant lie. but please sykpe me, you owe me that much respect at least whilst people are talking about me, in fact if you wish to give me a time I will make sure I am available to talk to you, I am not a monster or will shout and ball and scream at you, I was angry, now I am just mildley annoyed at this because so much of MY TIME has been clearly wasted on making what I thought were freinds and trying to help a person, you forget that I clearly state ON THE INTERVIEW that the heather material was hers and up to you guys, I only wanted to get my story out, oh yes her story was so unbelievable give me a break, and my experience yes that is unbelievable I do give you that one, but to say that is to call many others liars too a good percentage of your ground crew at that point, if I were a dis-info guy I would have tuck tail and run by now but I am not I me and rather than censoring me, you should let me have my say.

tell me I am wrong? because you refuse to address my issues rationally or debate them at all, that only tells me that you have nothing to go on but a information I had already made you privy to, which was Heather was with us as stated when those emails were sent, the first few I wrote for her because she was ****ED UP excuse my french, I do or did not EVER deny that, so talk to me on skype and present me with something REAL or reactivate my account and stop slandering my name

All the Best Kinsuemei2
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Old 02-14-2010, 08:58 AM   #153
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Email response of Kinsuemei2 to Bill's email allegations that he has found letters from both Kinsuemei2 and Heather to be from the same IP address and the word "solider" spelled the same way from both.
More information is given by Bill in Post #34 of this thread.

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to bill@projectcamelot.org,
karen@projectavalon.net,
[name deleted]
[name deleted]
date Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 6:32 PM [time stamp is PST]
subject my last post to camelot

this is an outrage Bill you have posted comments about me that are untrue and you have disgraced my name, of course the emails were sent from my place again Dr Anderson was with us, my family we set her up in a motel room, she even used our lap top, I took the names KilaSolai and Kane944 TODAY mind you to try to reenter Camelot, now I can do this with my new name through a proxy mask, or you can reactivate Kinsuemei2 the choice is yours but make no mistake, I won't be talked about like a dog or have you refuse to answer my emails when you are clearly online here.

Now you missed the part when I told Kerry Cassidey about Dr Anderson staying with us and conveniently left it out of the blog you posted on Avalon... yes of course I read it, I am not stupid, I can mask and change my IP so you clearly must think me a fool... I did not mask my emails because they were sent from my rig of course as I did state in testimony to Kerry, now your assumptions are outrageous and I need more proof, in fact I would very much like to talk to you on skype and you can hear the pain in my wife's voice she has lost a true friend and you feel fit to dismiss it and act like god almighty, I have no problem with Camelot and shall never tarnish that name, I was upset earlier but you don't know or understand me Mr Ryan, I have a daughter she is 6, I refuse to send anymore of Anderson's info on line, I told Kerry this, and whilst nobody has even bothered to check the location in Orlando, then you have no call on this matter.


if you come to my doorstep and I have nothing for you then you can say what you wish until then you need revise your information, and I don't care what Duncain O Finoan says, as he seemed to contradict that last Thursday night. And if you are wondering about me and a super solider program I never said I was one, I know how to fight I know how to Kill, that's due to what I accomplished in Thailand. no super solider training as far as I know. It is possible as some events were very interesting over there and I experienced events I can not explain, and if you need further proof look at my face book Mr Ryan, two weeks ago my FRIENDS can address the fact that I was critically ill with sepsis, I had a misdiagnosed spider bite, I have pictures of the line going to my heart, for all to see, yet here I am two weeks later, with confirmed kidney damage, not a dent in the fender and I feel great. my doctor says that's not normal.

incidentally we thought it was recluse but it was actually a Black widow, oh and your IP tracker is wrong I am in Orlando Florida, not California, in fact my Ip says I am in Boca, it is possibly due to the fact this is a MOTEL, as told,

please take on board the fact that I try not to be offensive and I am just trying to help, if you don't believe me I don't give a dam but do not drag my name through the mud please.

ultimately I apologize if I have upset or if you felt mislead by any information, if you have watched any of my You-tube videos you can see for your self I tell it as I see it, if people don't like that too bad

but do not disrespect the memory of my friend again please and you need to retract that blog on Camelot because those proportions are not correct at all that is simply an assumption

I sincerely wish you the best and to the moderators who were only doing their jobs.

Kinsuemei2

P.S. I shall continue to promote and observe PC in a positive light, because one man makes a mistake that is not reason to protest the good work they have done, and I believe Duncans story and have no ill will towards him, but it's a free world and he can choose to believe what he wishes.
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Old 02-14-2010, 09:06 AM   #154
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Email from Kinsuemei2 just to me. By this time I had not replied yet as I was quite perplexed by it all. I did reply to this, ending with
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This whole thing sort of caught me by surprise.

I know Bill and Kerry have all kinds of people telling lies contacting them, so they use what they can to try to figure out who is telling the truth.

I'm very sorry if you have been falsely accused.
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to karen@projectavalon.net
date Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 3:11 PM [PST]
subject hello

Well I am sure yo viewed the back and forth between Bill and myself I am sorry to put you in the middle of that but he is wrong on this count, as I told Kerry in an audio interveiw, Heather was living with us, we put her up so of course she used my computer, and yeah I dictated a few emails once again I stated this in my intaial contact with Kerry that she would not come near the computer so this is a problem right now.

My wife is very concerned about the slander I am reciving at Avalon and it's taken a toll, she is Bill hurt her as well as myself and he needs to take responsibility for that and talk to her because he owes her and my kids an apology, he wont skype me so I can't respect a man that wont give me a say or face me on the same ground, this leads me to believe he is doing this out of spite or maliciousness, yeah I can't spell for beans.

this sucks as Heathers info again as I stated I gave the meat of it to kerry and if they wanted it great if not who cared my objective was my experience and that was all. and I told kerry this but my interveiw was not released. now I am being censored, bill wont talk to me and I have to use proxys to look at info thats being posted about me, I kind of think the post should be stopped as it is getting into the realms of legality here, tell me if I am wrong?

I am souley dealing with a few people that I trust in avalon and that trust me, and right now thats only a few, people seem to have an issue with people that live a full life at a young age, but hey, not to much I can do or say about this so I hope you are well and that you reamian so Karen you have my wishes
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Old 02-14-2010, 09:09 AM   #155
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We are reviewing the evidence that has been presented to us and will decide on the matter in the very near future
Well said.

Those moderators on at the time, were of the view that unbanning kinsuemei2 was the right thing to do at the time - regardless of the outcome of the reviewing of available data. It should be added that no agreement has yet been made as to what that review/decision means at this time and it is something we need to work out.

The reason I wrote to kinsuemei2 for permission to post everything (now given) is that it is my hope that this will all be done out in the open, and thereby avoid the situation where we appear to be doing all this behind closed doors.

It is my hope that this "review" will simply be for completeness of the information before it is presented in public, and should not be judgmental on whether the information is true or untrue; since this is a task that the moderators are no better or worse equipped for than any forum member. A few moderators were in receipt of private mail that is pertinent to this situation and this now has to be collated - this will probably take a few days to get it all in order.

I apologize to the moderators & both Bill and Kerry, if I appear to be speaking out of turn with this post.

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Old 02-14-2010, 09:13 AM   #156
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To Duncan O'Finioan and me.

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to dunc [email address deleted]
karen@projectavalon.net
date Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:10 AM [PST]
subject Hey guys

I have already addressed Aaron this is my response to Bill and an explanation to Dunc who must clearly think I am insane lol

http://www.youtube.com/user/kinsuemei2

It is not offensive in my opinion or degrades him in anyway, or PC
I would like to point out that I have never claimed to be a super solider, that was a idea and a feeling that Kerry had, I don't know what is going on with my head and memory issue's I am having and what has emerged, I do know that it is possible to multiple blows to the head as I do have holes in the ventricles of the brain, normal stuff for Thai Boxers with substantial time in the business.

I only ever told Kerry it was possible, and I have the Skype chat log of all my talks with Kerry, so if I needed to that can be submitted, I did mention I might have been activated one time, as I had a black out in NY that I do not want to talk about not through email anymore.
my memory kind of returned but it's not the focus of this.

Kerry also presented this to me

[11/4/2009 1:53:15 PM] Kerry Cassidy says: I just talked to duncan
[11/4/2009 1:53:31 PM] Kinsuemei2 says: thats great what did he say?
[11/4/2009 1:53:34 PM] Kerry Cassidy says: he picked up your last name and I never told him it.. he's that psychic
[11/4/2009 1:54:01 PM] Kerry Cassidy says: I sent him your email address

on skype I can screen shot it if you need that, what I was rambling like a mad man before was the fact that what Kerry told me about the info heather sent to you was different than what Bill said, and in fact I also know her info resonated with David Corso.

I simply want to try to bridge the gap of info here because two parties are telling me different things so Duncan if you can be brutally honest as always and share your opinion positive or negative it shall be well received at this end. I have also made the choice to continue to put out Anderson's work to great risk at this point, now if indeed Bill did do this to actually protect us, that also crossed my mind, as the best way to stop hard info from becoming a danger is to dam it. hence 17 years of David Ickes survival in a nutshell.
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Old 02-14-2010, 09:20 AM   #157
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Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 1:02 PM [PST]

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Hi

Do you want me to share any of your 4 letters with the other moderators?
Was Heather still staying with you when she was in the car accident?
Do you think she was run off the road?
Are you going to release her real name?

Many Blessings,
Karen

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Old 02-14-2010, 09:22 AM   #158
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Kinsuemei2's replies to my questons:

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date Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 2:43 PM
subject RE: Hey guys

sure by all means share it just so they know what you do, I don't know if she was run off the road, we used what we could and she was in Berlin when it happened visiting friends, they contacted me about her death, now I do not honestly know id she really is dead or not, I have been trying to find out more info but her friends are very illusive, my wife wants the whole thing to go away, but I promised some people in avalon that I will bring the information that I have to light, I have never hidden anything from Bill or Kerry, however I have never spoken to Bill in a one on one capacity, where as I have done so with Kerry many times and as I stated I have the logs to prove that.

No she was not with us when this happened, she had left not that long after, but she did still have a room account with the motel, my manager has said that he will sign an affidavit to this if needs be as the room was in her name, her real name, on record, the card on file was mine so that I paid but it does show that she was a guest, and I have that right now in black and white. again my only reason for not putting that out their is 1 my address lol and 2 her name linked to mine could cause problems if indeed she was... run off the road, now I still have questions in this, as to what was she driving, did her friends loan her a car, who was the car registered to and things like that so this is not the case of she is dead, lets forget about it... not at all this is my personal search to find out whats going on, unfortunately me being in Orlando the search is quite slow as the German authorities don't want to talk about any investigations that might involve Interpol or US federal cases, i don't know anything about European law like that or federal legislation so I honestly don't have a clue if that's true or not.

What i can tell you that I do know is she left the US in Florida, she entered into the UK from Southampton and where she went from there I don't know, but it appears she ended up in Germany, and it's very easy to move around Europe, much more so than the USA

but on a personal note do you think I should reveal her name? I don't know what to do about this and it keeps me up at night as I am always expecting a knock at the door.

I mean it's very easy for Bill to drop this and take responsibility, but I have to deal with the fall out of this as now if anything happens to my wife or kids or myself we really have no where to turn to for advice or anything, but as I said in my You-tube vid thank god for some good people.

My main concern is my family as I have stated but , I will get this info out and I shall make sure that you do get to look at it, weather PC will be involved and I highly doubt they will, I shall still give you a look at what we have, but we are working on the distribution of this material.
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Old 02-14-2010, 09:36 AM   #159
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The next letter from Kinsuemei2 received today Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 4:59 PM [PST] needs more permissions obtained, and more clarifications.
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Old 02-14-2010, 10:06 AM   #160
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It is my hope that this "review" will simply be for completeness of the information before it is presented in public, and should not be judgmental on whether the information is true or untrue; since this is a task that the moderators are no better or worse equipped for than any forum member. A few moderators were in receipt of private mail that is pertinent to this situation and this now has to be collated - this will probably take a few days to get it all in order.
Please be patient - take notes about what you would like to say. Don't start any new threads about this issue - they will probably be deleted or closed. There is more information coming from other parties, and you may find your opinions on this matter swaying in a different direction. I don't know - I have not seen that information.
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Old 02-19-2010, 02:26 AM   #161
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Dear All,

in the next few hours the mods will receive more written messages from 'Heather' in the form of a compilation of Avalon PMs and Facebook messages.

Let's see if those were dictated, too.

When the mods have all the available information, they will make the call about whether Kinsuemei2 was a hoaxer.

This is what's at stake - because he posted this information on his thread. It's not just dragging the Avalon Forum into Camelot's business. It IS Avalon's business.

If the mods decide he was a hoaxer, then he should be banned - in my strong opinion.

If he was not a hoaxer, then he should be reinstated.

I suggest that at this stage the evidence (not including the new written material we've not seen) is so overwhelming that not all these things can be true...

1) Heather was real
2) Heather was an MD
3) Heather was a black projects whistleblower

... that the onus is on Kinsuemei to show that the above items ARE true. He has the clear opportunity to do this. I'm waiting.

If she really was an MD, for instance, her name will be on public record.

If she really was killed in a traffic accident, there will be a police report in Berlin. (I can get that, if I know what name and date to request.)

So the ball is in the mods' court on this one. I suggest that what I've tabled above is reasonable.

This interesting drama is the result of both Kerry and myself each caring so much about Camelot's work. Paradoxically, the dissonance here is a product of Camelot's strength.

In Kerry's case, she doesn't want to see someone she regards as a potential whistleblower (assumed as such unless proven otherwise) being hurt and damaged. That is an honorable intention.

In my case, I consider this IS proven (but Kerry doesn't agree with my data evaluation) - and I don't want to see Camelot's reputation suffer by one of us believing and posting false information which (if so) can only damage the platform we provide for the REAL whistleblowers out there. That's honorable as well.

It's this latter point which is really what this is all about. We're talking about how Camelot does due diligence on the information we receive. And that's pretty important.

When all the information about 'Heather' is available, it'll be posted for everyone to see.

My best wishes to all, Bill
The moderators have declined to become involved at this level. I posted, with permission, the letters I received from Ben, so that his side could be heard by the forum members. Kinsuemei2 has asked for his membership to be removed as he no longer wants to be involved in this. Bill Ryan has issued an apology to Ben, and given a little more information at http://projectcamelot.org

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A personal note about the Heather Anderson affair:

The document that Kerry made available for public scrutiny is a poor one, written by someone with an educational level inconsistent with that required of an insider scientist of any description.

On the Project Avalon Forum, Heather refers to herself as "Dr Anderson", and another member (Marco) who claims he knew her, refers to her as an MD (i.e. a medical doctor). I very, very much doubt that this is true.

Identical repeated typos - e.g. SOLIDER for 'soldier' - occur in Ben Murphy's writing. Ben Murphy is the Project Avalon member, named in the published PDF, who claims that Heather was a real person whom he knew, and who, frightened and on the run, stayed with him and his wife for a while.

E-mails from both Ben and Heather have identical IP addresses. However, Ben explains this by saying that all Heather's messages were dictated by her to him. He also states that this is the reason the same dyslexic mistakes (SOLIDER, etc) occur in both his writing and hers.

When all the above became clear, I accused Ben of hoaxing the material, and banned him from the Project Avalon forum. I apologize to him here as there was not enough evidence - and more on the subject of evidence follows below - to justify a definite ban as a hoaxer.

I was angry that Camelot was being played. Indeed, Heather does seem to have been a real person. Camelot may indeed be being played, but not by Ben. A number of people are working quite hard on getting to the bottom of this little tangle on the grounds that it's just possible that what emerges might be important and valuable. For instance, we've recently heard that Heather is not dead after all, but has recently sent a message stating that she is in Strasbourg.

In the meantime, my strong personal opinion is that this is a waste of Camelot's time, and that we should focus on real whistleblowers (and real people) with provenance who are able to produce compelling evidence to support their claims. It's unfortunate that any of this reached the public. At best, it's a distraction. At worst, this is a sting operation against Project Camelot with the intention of discrediting our research.

In my view, those following our work expect us to apply intelligent due diligence to cross-check information that comes our way before publication. Also in my view, we have a duty of responsibility as gatekeepers, respected and followed by tens of thousands of people worldwide, to check the provenance of the information we record and report as carefully as possible while working in an arena which is awash with accidental and deliberate disinformation. It's my personal commitment to do good, solid research while remaining open to genuinely new and startling information - because the universe, as Sir Arthur Eddington famously stated, is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose.

It's easy to make mistakes, or to be fooled by those with compelling cover stories and resources to back them up. I commend Kerry for her unstinting support for whistleblowers of every kind - and there are many kinds. We don't always get it right, and have both made mistakes. The nature of our work over the last three and a half years would have required one to be superhuman not to have been on a learning curve.

Our learning continues. We're pledged to share our journey with our readers and viewers. Kerry and I are united in our passion for the truth, and are both committed to giving our best to help the world become a better place through the free flow of information that has been withheld from the public by those who wish to control us for reasons of their own.

--Bill
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Old 02-19-2010, 11:25 AM   #162
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I think Bill put that clearly and politely. Even though the "evidence" was stacked heavily, in my opinion, on Bills side he none the less was Gentlemanly enough to publicly apologize.

After reading Marco last post (deleted) where he stated words to the effect of..."having spoken to her (heather) I can't help but think she's laughing at all of us." I think Bills gesture makes things more than even.

Hopefully both Kerry and Bill can put this behind them and move on. I look forward to move interviews, vids and conference material.
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Old 02-19-2010, 10:25 PM   #163
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I believe much can be obtained from the full headers of any e-mail.
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