Jordan Maxwell Interview Thread

[mntruthseeker]

OH LOL LOL I am only saying that "ideas" are planted at an early age and we "believe" in them

I know that all that they taught me is false and I am living for the "today" of things.

I also know that in my immediate family there are so, so many, that still believe in all this BS. I call them the brainwashed ones that never grew out of that phase of their lives.

So I understand what Carol is saying about the brainwashed people on the earth.

I am not bitter as I managed to get through all this. I think what they did was a terrible injustice but I have certainly moved on.........



I have to wonder if the addicts, killers, rapist, sex-offenders..........are here to show us a lesson ? We live it or we view it.

I am not offended in the least. I happen to think that the things Jordan pointed out about religion was for the most part true. I just can't speak on the mythology aspects. Religion is a mind control form of making money.............a corporation just like Jordan says

[orthodoxymoron]

beren: Regarding the Bible...I lean heavily toward the actual Teachings of Jesus. I have come to distrust Christian Theology, the Christian Church...and just about everything else! A lot of this stuff is subtle and confusing. Walking the philosophical and theological tight-rope...without falling off...is no easy task. I predict HUGE disillusionment regarding the old traditional religions...and regarding the new age religions. We are easily deluded...and the corrupt humans and non-humans know this fact very, very, very well.

Jordan's negative final verdict should be a wake-up call regarding the trouble we are really in. I think the solutions are really quite simple...but it may take the human race millions of years to find and accept these solutions. We are so near to the Promised Land...yet so very far away. We seem to have a situation where the corrupt rule the stupid...and where the answer is blowing in the wind.

[Swanny]

Good interview and I think he is right in that the human race cant be saved. Sadly there are so many materialistic selfish people out there that would die for what they have rather than share it. It will take more than a miracle to wake them up

I did fall asleep for a little while and was surprised when David Wilcox spoke, how did he get there??

He doesn't like Dan Brown then

[beren]

Ortho, I knew that reading your posts for months. Actually Jordan told the truth from what he learned about organized religion. But he missed the point because I think he didn`t even read the Bible . Jesus condemned religion and actually was talking about how should people be enlighted . I get frustrated a lot when I talk about this since people are deceived by religion and then easily drop out everything Jesus had said. Sometime I am poised to bluntly say to people READ THE freaking book again! Are you all blind ? READ it and see what he said about religion(pharisees,scribes,priests) ,what did he do(throw out money changers out of the temple saying :"you made a robber`s den out of the house of my father!")...what actually he said about love, wisdom, power that a human already have but do not use it ( if you had a faith of a mustard seed size you `d do even greater things I did...)...So HERE we are at the beggining of the story that actually Jesus said and Bible said the true potentials of humanity! He said that we can do greater things that he did! And he did great things! Are we so blind and deaf so far? Do we need out of body experiences and astral projections and teachings of demons and videos of various Maxwells, Colliers, Greers,Bob Deans and tons of others , so they can toot at us that we are actually great beings??? Helloooo thousand years first graders!!! Can we ever go into second,third and further grades??? Are we so stupid so we had answers all the time in the little black book called word of God? Hey! Word of creator of the universe telling us who we really are! His image in process of learning! A beautiful creatures capable of things that imagination can not cover!

But I have to cool down. . ,

Truly we have answers and have whom to ask but the evil one is doing 24/7 to make us forget about that and to roam in the void of darkness when instead we got all in front of our nose...Truly we fight great war, spiritual one and occasionally physical one. But we are not alone! Anyone who wants to be a light being can ask that. Simple as that. Just send an honest prayer from your own heart and ask to be a soul of light, a human, a soul who will be an image of God. Forget about religion,that Babylonian devilry , forget about organizations, forget about rituals, all that is bull ****! All that is a lie. We have a privilege to talk directly to Creator of the universe ! That is one of the most crucial things that Evil one would like to be hidden from you.

Love and blessing to all,
Beren

[TempestGarden]

Originally Posted by eleni

I'm one for positivity but at the current moment- state of planet, pollution laden technology, GMO foods, mass starvation, created disease/sickness industry, greed and profit over people etc; etc; the list goes on and on. I wonder if it's just a pipe dream- this very positive thinking that soon it's going to change. And sure it has to change at grass roots level- that's what I've been involved with for more than 25 years but it hasn't gone full scale.

It's kind of scary how much we think exactly alike. This is something that I have been struggling with a lot lately. I have only recently (within the last few months) discovered the Law of Attraction and I am having difficulty balancing the reality that I see around me and trying to focus on the reality that I would rather see instead. Since I am still new to this particular Universal Law, I have yet to witness this at work in my life. So, naturally my skepticism comes into play when I look at the world around me.

[orthodoxymoron]

I had a terrible thought. I really like Jordan...but what if the special task he was told about...is to tell the human race that they are $crewed...and that there is nothing they can do about it? The Draconians, Annunaki, and Sirians would like that message...wouldn't they?

Also...Manly Hall wasn't exactly a saint...was he? I believe that he was brilliant...but I just wonder how many 'brilliant' people will come to the conclusion that if you can't beat 'em...you might as well join 'em...and work to convince the 'stupid' people that resistance is futile?

I think that it would be in everyone's best interest (including the reptilians and greys) to rally around Constitutional Responsible Freedom. But if they don't see it this way...my conclusion is the following:

Better Dead Than Rep!

[Karen]

Originally Posted by TempestGarden

It's kind of scary how much we think exactly alike. This is something that I have been struggling with a lot lately. I have only recently (with last few months) discovered the Law of Attraction and I am having difficulty balancing the reality that I see around me and trying to focus on the reality that I would rather see instead. Since I am still new to this particular Universal Law, I have yet to witness this at work in my life. So, naturally my skepticism comes into play when i look at the world around me.

To change things you must power it with your emotions. Use all your senses, feel it, see it, hear it, taste it, smell it. Draw pictures in color. FEEL what it feels like when you have it. Feel it as strong as you can - that's the magnet.

[TempestGarden]

Originally Posted by Karen

To change things you must power it with your emotions. Use all your senses, feel it, see it, hear it, taste it, smell it. Draw pictures in color. FEEL what it feels like when you have it. Feel it as strong as you can - that's the magnet.

Karen,

Thanks for this bit of advice. I have recently been doing some reading online and in books about why the Laws of Attraction seem to not work for some and beautifully for others... what I am only beginning to discover is exactly what you are saying here. Apparently it is very dependent upon the emotions that you put into it, and not just the affirmative feelings in your mind. This discovery is very new to me, so I will keep at it with this suggestion in mind.

[orthodoxymoron]

I'm going to leave my comment above regarding Manly P. Hall...but I just watched a lecture of his on Google...and was quite impressed. Is there a way that all of the secret and esoteric stuff can be completely divorced from satanic rituals, instigating wars (and financing both sides), enslaving the stupid masses, etc, etc, etc? It seems like just about everything is a Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde situation. The nicest people can turn out to be the biggest jerks. The most holy institutions can turn out to be the deepest pits of hell. Noble wars to free an oppressed people...can turn out to be all about drugs, oil, and money. The list goes on and on and on and on and...

[RedeZra]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

What does that have to do with right now? If you distance yourself from the past and the future you find yourself in the moment. When you find yourself in the moment you suddenly no longer need to look outside of yourself for guidance. This is because that simple concept is the secret to unlocking your full potential and unveiling your intuition like nothing most people ever thought possible.

past is past

it is gone

future is future

it will come


Here

is

My

Present

to

You


Unpack it Unconditionally


And when you come to see Me again

Tell Me

What did you do with My Present

Did you Love

Did you Look

Did you Help

[Phtha]

Just curious have you read any of Halls books or watched any of his interviews? Quite a few are up if you search google video.

Many Masons are good people and I still lean towards the belief that it was a well meaning organization for many years. There are no doubt lots of rotten apples on that tree now though.

Here is a recent manly p hall vid I watched... much stuff to pick up from him.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...kuKqAqX6lTw&q#

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Also...Manly Hall wasn't exactly a saint...was he? I believe that he was brilliant...but I just wonder how many 'brilliant' people will come to the conclusion that if you can't beat 'em...you might as well join 'em...and work to convince the 'stupid' people that resistance is futile?

[TempestGarden]

I just finished watching the entire interview and something at the end Jordan said really stuck out and resonated with me. He simply stated that "people don't care" about all of this stuff, by and large.

Honestly, I gotta tell ya... since I began my awakening, this has been, without a doubt, my biggest obstacle. No matter who I have talked to about this sort of thing, basically everyone that I talked to that didn't think I was a complete "whack job" just simply did not care, in any way, shape or form. Everywhere I look, and for years before my awakening even began, there are people everywhere that just DO NOT CARE, period. If it doesn't affect their immediate lives or the lives of their families in any way that you can prove to them, they don't care at all and/or don't have the time to care. Apathy in general has been a huge problem plaguing the United States for many years now, but I think it's worse than ever nowadays.

I think this more than anything is what worries me about the future of the human race. The majority of the population seems to be defined by their apathy. I used to think that human beings were sadly, defined by their fears. I no longer think that. I now feel that our apathy towards, well just about everything is what is the main cause of the majority of our problems and I really don't see a way around this. How do you make people care about something??

[eleni]

Tempest- I prefer the Release Technique over LOA but that's me.
http://www.releasetechnique.com/what-is-releasing
I have heard that Dr. David Hawkins actually got his *stuff* from Lester but I don't know how true that is.
http://www.veritaspub.com/ anyone know?


I do agree that we are working with magnetics here and the reason why these lower vibrations are drawn to our planet is because of the consciousness level the masses are vibrating at. Think of it.....greed, war, porn, junk food, destruction of ecosystem etc; etc; it's no wonder negative factions behind the powers the be are said to be the one's in control.

Solution- raise your own vibration and DO NOT buy into their systems or the products created by their systems as much as possible.

They are not more powerful than YOU!

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by Phtha

Just curious have you read any of Halls books or watched any of his interviews? Quite a few are up if you search google video.

Many Masons are good people and I still lean towards the belief that it was a well meaning organization for many years. There are no doubt lots of rotten apples on that tree now though.

Here is a recent manly p hall vid I watched... much stuff to pick up from him.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...kuKqAqX6lTw&q#

I am presently watching the video link you provided. It is most interesting. I'm liking what I'm hearing. Thank-you. Most of what I've heard regarding Hall is second-hand. I recently watched the following video which featured an examination of Manly P. Hall, and the Philosophical Research Society in Los Angeles (which was founded by Hall...and which I have driven by thousands of times). http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...+dc+symbolism# Maxwell is also a fan of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky...and especially her book 'Isis Unveiled'.

I wonder if Maxwell, Hall, and Blavatsky would have a problem with the concept of Constitutional Responsible Freedom? I tend to think that they wouldn't. I also think that if he didn't have to deal with negative ET's...that the Pope would be a supporter of these three intertwined words. I could be mistaken...of course.

I have mixed feelings regarding the Masons, the Vatican, and believe it or not...even the Nazis in the 30's (but certainly not in the 40's). I think all three thought they could deal with the ET's without getting burned. I just think that negative ET's have deceived people and organizations for thousands and thousands of years. The United States of America seems to have fallen for negative ET deceptions as well.

I just want a Solar System Exorcism...and I'm hereby calling for all groups and factions...human and non-human...to exorcise all hard-core malevolent beings (human and non-human) from this solar system. If this does not occur...then I would have to agree with Maxwell's verdict at the end of the interview.

A man was asked, 'which is the biggest problem in America...ignorance or apathy?' The man snapped, 'I don't know! And I don't care!' This is probably more of a problem than the malevolent ET's and corrupt elites. We the ignorant and apathetic people had better wake-up...and wake-up fast. It's a lot later than we think. It's almost too late...but there is still time. Conduit Closing.

[Phtha]

Glad you like the Manly Hall vid Ortho.
Actually, at 30:15 in that video Manly gives the answer to the problem of the sleeping masses of people and to Jordans verdict at the end of his speech. There is nothing to worry about.

Manly wrote a book back in 1928 called Secret Teachings of All Ages. Jordan claims it was his own research that made zeitgeist possible, but if you read Manly's book it can't be denied that everything Jordan talks about is in the book, the whole script for Zeigeist is from Manly not Jordan, period.. The Sun birth, Sol Om On, the comparison of religions... you name it, and Manly explains it in much much more depth than Jordan.

Ortho have you read any of Blavatskys' works? I've read Isis Unveiled, The Secret Doctrine, and Occultism of the Secret Doctrine. She is amazing, her works are so in depth that it is hard to believe they were written by one person. Many new agers and Christians try to paint her as Satanic.. yet nothing could be further from the truth. It's like those people who refuse to believe 9/11 was an inside job. Blavatsky has nothing against true Christians, she mentions this in her own writings, she just explains where the religion really came from, and today's rank and file Christians were not meant to know of it and thus refuse to believe it.

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

Maxwell is also a fan of Helena Petrovna Blavatsky...and especially her book 'Isis Unveiled'.

I wonder if Maxwell, Hall, and Blavatsky would have a problem with the concept of Constitutional Responsible Freedom? I tend to think that they wouldn't. I also think that if he didn't have to deal with negative ET's...that the Pope would be a supporter of these three intertwined words. I could be mistaken...of course.

[14 Chakras]

Blavatsky was the first to bring forth new information to the masses. It helped break the barrier of traditional fundamental Christianity being the only outer option in spirituality. Prior to that the only times higher truth was sought was in secret societies. So for that, her work was successful.

However, with all life, free will is the key. Although Blavatsky was sponsored to be a messenger by the heavenly masters, she was not enlightened and had her own illusions which led her to share some truth, but also some untruths. Her work is a mixed bag.

The original masters that sponsored the work however, are the real deal: El Morya, and Kuthumi.

Of course, the same issue is ran into nowadays, people can claim stuff comes from the masters, but can just as easily be a mixed bag or all from lower forces.

That's why discernment is key.

P.S. My understanding is that Manly P. Hall was a student of Saint Germain

[beren]

Interestingly enough Blavatsky was speaking things which even nowadays are sounding mysterious and somewhat tangling to ears. But that is the case when you mix truth with lie. A lie itself can not bear the load but when mixed with a bit of truth then it can pass... the more of the truth in some lie and voila! People listen. Also this pops in me as a question; we as humans have in our very core a writing of truth and we resonate with it, on high frequency. A lie is totally opposite frequency and does not resonate with human. BUT when you mix lie with truth ,the more truth you pour in lie ,more the people will open their ear to hear what you actually speak. Their sensors are beeping that something is wrong when a lie is mixed with truth but this new mixture has a part of truth in it so we consciously say:"nah- gotta be the truth...it sounds well..."But still unconsciously we detect even a 00000.1 % lie !

That was a divine gift to a man from creator. Sadly we do not use it often today.

[Phtha]

Yes Blavatksy does share some untruths that are proven now, but it wasn't intentional, she was writing on such a vast subject. I believe she was enlightened, certainly much more then 99% of the rest the world at that time lol. Her mission was Truth, nothing more nothing less.

As for free will, put this video to 49:45, Manly makes what I consider a very deep point on free will, but you have to listen until 52:40ish to get his whole point. I've come to the same conclusion he talks about. Yes we have free will, but most use it to build a cage around themselves, because they choose not to follow Divine laws.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...=manly+p+hall#

[14 Chakras]

Agreed Beren, within us we have the ability to discern truth, this does involve endless trial and error and continuous fine tunning of the instrument of discernment, but that's what we're here for: to learn.

My belief is not that Bladvatskey was a liar or intentionally trying to deceive anyone, it is that she was chosen, for specific reasons (let me be frank here: she was the reincarnation of the apostle Peter), to bring forth a new message, a dispensation and ideally move past certain beliefs of her own, pass certain test. She was an important soul and if she was able to shift her consciousness, it would have helped the world to a big degree, specifically actually the Catholic church would have shifted because it was based on the consciousness of Peter, the consciousness that the Christ is outside of you, the consciousness that tried to put Christ in a box and not accept that we are here to be the Christ.

Anyway, that's some trivia. Bladvatskey was not evil or anything, she just didn't pass all of her test, so her work is a mixed bag as some of it is from the dark forces, some of it from the light. All of it quite complex and esoteric, and most of it virtually impossible to fully understand.

[beren]

Originally Posted by 14 Chakras

Agreed Beren, within us we have the ability to discern truth, this does involve endless trial and error and continuous fine tunning of the instrument of discernment, but that's what we're here for: to learn.

My belief is not that Bladvatskey was a liar or intentionally trying to deceive anyone, it is that she was chosen, for specific reasons (let me be frank here: she was the reincarnation of the apostle Peter), to bring forth a new message, a dispensation and ideally move past certain beliefs of her own, pass certain test. She was an important soul and if she was able to shift her consciousness, it would have helped the world to a big degree, specifically actually the Catholic church would have shifted because it was based on the consciousness of Peter, the consciousness that the Christ is outside of you, the consciousness that tried to put Christ in a box and not accept that we are here to be the Christ.

Anyway, that's some trivia. Bladvatskey was not evil or anything, she just didn't pass all of her test, so her work is a mixed bag as some of it is from the dark forces, some of it from the light. All of it quite complex and esoteric, and most of it virtually impossible to fully understand.

I get what you say. But think of this theme on this way:

She got some unknown facts, lies, truths and revelations from...??? whom???
very suspiciously ...
But as she was in awe status towards that entity which revealed certain stuff to her she then believed totally that she got something very important to share! I don`t blame her for that nor anybody else. I just question WHO is the source of the revelation?

In new testament ,I think Paul or John wrote that we should test every spirit so we can see is it a deceiver or not. Remember that also Satan quoted Bible to Jesus in order to trick him. But there were some fighting between them...
Point is anyone can claim anything but WE have the ability given from God to test every spirit to see does it resonate with truth or not . A kind of inner scanner if you like.

Also the word Christ. Or Christians.
the meaning is basically Saviour or messiah or the one who is holy, the one who is shining with truth , love, wisdom and divine power.
So when you call someone a CHRISTIAN , do him/her resonate with the meaning of the term? Or is it not that? Jesus and Bible never mentioned Catholics, Orthodox,Protestants,Mormons,Adventists,Jehovah`s witnesses, Baptists.... Bible mention a people who wish to be as Jesus was and is -CHRISTIANS- that means people who are ,or at least trying honestly to be holy,wise,caring,saviors to other people by their words and deeds .

[14 Chakras]

For me the saviour is not a guy, it is a conscisouness. I personally think that those who go to church and call themselves "Christians" typically have it wrong nowadays. It is not about being a nice guy, or trying to live a good life, then you die and 'go to heaven'. That is deception really, the deception is that the matter realm and the spiritual realm are seperate, in reality you can be in the consciousness of 'heaven' here on earth while you are in a body, and this is the path that Jesus came to demonstrate.

It is about being "reborn" in consciousness as Jesus continually spoke of. He wasn't here to show us how special he was, that is how human egos have interpreted it, that's because it takes away their personal responsibility to be the Christ as Jesus was the Christ. He came to show us how special YOU are.

We are meant to remember who we are beyond the matrix and be One with with our higher Self, the I AM, the Father, as Jesus demonstrated. This is the true path.

Beliefs are beliefs, and they keep the matrix well fed and happy. Truth is beyond belief, you experience truth when you surrender your illusions of separation and know reality is Oneness.

Although Bladvatskey was not perfect, Ptah has a point, she was significantly more advanced consciously than most, and certainly than your average preacher. She did bring forth some value.

The point is she did not fully channel her works, they were inspired, but she wrote them. So they are a mixed bag because of her own consciousness.

That's no different than any other person on this earth. All of us have illusions, all of us have darkness and are suseptiable to being used by dark forces as long as we have the ego. We can transend the ego, and be reborn as Jesus continually told us we needed to be, because truth is beyond the ego, and it is truth that will set us free.

But most are unwilling. Many are called few choose. Do you?

[firefly]

Originally Posted by Baron

Firstly Bill & Kerry started out with noble intentions and that's what was so appealing, yet more and more they are loosing it, and becoming just like the rest.This interview is yet another confirmation sadly.About as hard hitting as somebody talking to a senile aunt.

The way Kerry started her interview was so obsequious that I'm sure it made many cringe or want to vomit! On the other hand perhaps she was setting him comfortable, to fire off a string of hard hitting questions, that Kerry is more than capable of doing? Sadly WRONG!

This was more of the same old same old from this REPEATER no matter how long he's been repeating! They Camelot have resurrected this man from the abyss having been found out years ago. His very spiel has changed very little in the last 20 years for example he names David Icke in every recent interview in the last few years not to site him but to show how great he is by saying he brought him to the USA! Childish.

This interview was pointless and you could have got the same spiel from any one of his tirades posted on youtube! It was all rubbish even if it was the most kindly I have ever heard him speak of others, he's normally swiping there work and repeating it as his own! Just like Dan Brown of all people he quotes as doing the same! LOL.

His description of some common words he thinks he has deciphered by his ridicules etymology such as "Berth" of ship being or meaning "Birth"! So, and the point being???
Or his wrongly attributed name of "God" being "Got" or "Gut" in Scandinavia WRONG! Its "Gud". He does not know what he's talking about Gut is from Good Morning in the Germanic...Close but not close enough, and the point was? You had none!

This is the same guy who at the "Awake and aware conference" said "Vikings wore horns on their helmets"!!! Which to any scholar worth his salt knows is false and that its stylised art and Hollywood fantasy!


1)Kerry why did you not ask him why he goes by the name of "Jordan Maxwell" aka "Jordanus Maximus" as he thinks he is? And why NOT his real name "Russell J. Pine". Plus the many other hard hitting questions like his weird relationship with his brother who calls him a liar and why he accused him of trying to kill him? Why nothing on the person who warned Russell Pine aka Jordan Maxwell off recently about using his name and words? Which you posted and withdrew?

2) Why do you qualify some questions,with "you don't have to answer that unless you want too"!!! Just ask the question and if they don't want to say ok then leave it don't give them the chance to escape without something.

So what happens he never answers or repeats what was said in private!

Why because you and he have to keep the mystery alive for the next project, and some things will embarrass him because its BS, he knows it and so do some others, and it would prove he is an even bigger B"¤¤# S#¤%! Not because he has more secret information from his non sources! All these guys with sources from high lintel speaking to The Maxwell's the Dick Beagles the silly Greens are non existent they are liars and frauds, its one of the biggest frauds on the poor suckers who rake it in.But like governments and politicians they don't care who buys their lies.

3) Why nothing about the Terra-dactyls that he saw in Los Angeles in the early 80's!!! Is that not interesting? LOL.

4) Bill and Kerry I have appreciated your work and I was hoping you were going in another direction and you did at the start, but now you are bringing back all these people from their hovels giving them new life, who had been proved frauds and liars so went crawling into back into their hovels, only now for them to re-appear and re-spill there BS and it is BS, to new ears, who know no better. They appreciate YOU two,( innocently "gullible" comes to mind,sorry) no doubt because you have brought them back and befriended them so you cannot now expose them...But what you have brought back is everything that has nothing to do with TRUTH.

5) Here is just one of several videos out there of some of the plain BS he sprouts off, and the corrections follow.He's is no symbologist and he is not Henry Lincoln either.Only 10 minutes so worth watching if only to get some perspective on this fraudster.

http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvi...nd_a_liar____/

Thank you for the above Baron, I feel your correct in your statement here. And I feel foolish having believed what he was saying even though I have had doubts about this man in the past because his so called knowledge was too incredible. However as I was watching the interview with Kerry and Jordan and thinking 'perhaps I've been wrong about J M!, perhaps he is genuine and then my partner and I had a hugh argument when he stated that "this man was all **** and how could I believe what he is saying". And this is why we need this forum so we can chew over and throw out the stuff that is NON TRUTH. And if Kerry and Bill have interviewed this guy on Camelot knowing he is a fraud, then what does that tell you about all the rest of the so called 'Whistleblowers'?

What is wrong with this world, why are people so content to accept that lying is acceptable. Are we all living in a Holywood matrix where life is just a game. Iv'e been searching for the truth all my life and still not found it. Perhaps I've been looking in the wrong places!

love and friendship
firefly

[beren]

Do you?[/QUOTE]





I am. You are right . Jesus is a last effort from God father to return us to sanity. But many choose not to listen what he said continuously . Remember his own words that when he returns will he find faith on earth???

We are from divine, of divine. But in order to get the divine life in the future we got to grow up. We are capable of many great and superb things but with this mental status of minds around the globe right now... hmmmm

I think old testament is basically kinder garden and elementary and finally high school . When Jesus came he basically said: "Ok guys now is the time to go on college." Now is the time to really grasp towards responsibility and learning about who and what you are. To drop all bonds of slavery and all that stuff.

Did we grew up so far?

Masses didn`t , few did.

[Phtha]

Like I say I've read all of her major works (read them all, not understood them all ), and for me her writings come off as benevolent in nature. That's all I need to know about the source.

Her life is mysterious for sure, what we do know is she came from nobility, traveled many places including India, and probably had more then one source. I see her as a synthesizer of many of the world religions and mystery religions. Not an easy job, especially back then.

Btw, here is a picture of her with what is said to be St.Germain the Immortal.

Originally Posted by beren

I get what you say. But think of this theme on this way:

She got some unknown facts, lies, truths and revelations from...??? whom???
very suspiciously ...
But as she was in awe status towards that entity which revealed certain stuff to her she then believed totally that she got something very important to share! I don`t blame her for that nor anybody else. I just question WHO is the source of the revelation?

[14 Chakras]

Originally Posted by beren

when he returns will he find faith on earth???

We are from divine, of divine.

Here's the trick. YOU ARE JUST AS DIVINE AS JESUS CHRIST WAS!

You just need to remember. Your ego is blocking the Way.

Jesus message was that you can do what he can do, that YOU are the Son of God, if only you would remember and surrender your own illusions of seperation.

Jesus was not the doer, it was the 'father' / higher Self / consciousenss within that was the doer. YOU HAVE THIS SAME FATHER WITHIN YOU.

So the question is, will you be the second coming of Christ by "letting this mind be in you which also was in Christ Jesus" or will we continue to pray and wait for something outside of ourselves to come back and fix everything for us (which ain't gonna happen imo).