Air France airbus goes down

[Starlah]

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Guess I know why I don't fly besides being "broke". Is there a cruise ship that goes to Ecuador?

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Humpty Dumpty sat on a Wall...Humpty Dumpty had a great Fall
All the King's soldiers and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty
Together again...

[viking]

Mmm just found this....

June 8, 2009

For the past week the news media has been reporting their developing story/spin on the disappearance off radar on Sunday, May 31, 2009 of Air France flight number 447 over the Atlantic Ocean, enroute from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil to Paris, France with 228 people aboard. We have been told various stories.

The plane disappeared and crashed into the Atlantic Ocean during its flight through a high electrical storm. A huge oil slick on the ocean’s surface was proof of the crash. Debris but no bodies were found. No debris was found. The oil slick was caused by an Iranian submarine that fired the missile that destroyed flight 447. Two bodies have been found and a suitcase with an airline ticket in it of this exact flight. The plane exploded in mid-air and burned, therefore there was no oil slick created by this plane crash.

With such media spin, what really is the Truth of this incident? Given the history of past airplane crashes, we immediately suspect foul play. Who was on this plane that was working with good intent, that the Darkside needed to have removed from the “play”? No official passenger manifest has been released to the public, so again, much speculation is rampant based on individual research and personal contacts.

In the Christopher Story Report of Monday, June 8, 2009 we learn that “Michael (Butch) Harris, a top geologist with Oklahoma City-based Devon Energy Corporation and his wife, Anne, had been on the aircraft.”

(QUOTING

A spokesman for the company, Chip Minty, confirmed that Harris was a geologist working out of Devon’s Rio de Janeiro office. The late Mr. Harris had moved to Brazil from Houston in July 2008, according to Mrs. Harris’s sister, Mary Riley, of Lafayette, LA, in an interview with the local newspaper, The Advertiser. The couple, married for 16 years, were originally from Lafayette and had lived there until 2004.

Mr. Harris was a Clemson graduate and a brilliant geologist. The ‘Jack 2’ well drilled in the Walker Ridge area of the Gulf of Mexico 175 miles off the coast of Louisiana, is located in about 7,000 ft. of water. Chevron, which has a 50% stake in the oilfield, has two partners for this project, both of which have a 25% stake: Statoil ASA (Norway), and Devon Energy Corporation of Oklahoma City.

Fadel Gheit, an analyst with Oppenheimer & Co., said on 4th June that ‘relative to its size, Devon has one of the greatest exposures to the deepwater Gulf of Mexico’. Devon’s shares rose by about 15% on the New York Stock Exchange following news about the ‘Jack 2’ oilfield.

Before moving to Brazil, Michael ‘Butch’ Harris and his wife Anne lived in the Woodlands area of Houston, which ‘just happens’ to be where George Herbert Walker Bush lives.

We ‘speculate’ that Mr. Harris was en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris where he was to realise a brief from Bush Sr. to leverage Devon Energy Corporation's 25% stake in the ‘Jack 2’ oilfield with the corrupt ‘Kissinger-Bush’ bank, Paribas, for an enormous credit line, enabling the desperate Bush Crime Family to ‘start over’ with a pile of cash for the usual leveraging and hypothecation purposes. We further ‘speculate’ that Air France 447 was sabotaged, to close off this option.

That George Bush Sr. would have no compunction in arranging for one of his associates to run the risk of being murdered in mid-air given that the whole world (with the sole exception of the crime network’s remaining cornered assets) is intent upon removing the Bush Crime Family from the chessboard, goes without saying.

The sole motivation of this criminal group operating outside and within the US Intelligence Power, the White House and the Treasury, has all along been to retain control of the levers of Fraudulent Finance at all costs, without regard for collateral damage. Given the unconscionable level of their arrogance, these people never expected to encounter any opposition to their activities, and have accordingly received the overdue shock of their lives.

Christopher Story Report: June 8, 2009, http://www.worldreports.org/news/217...._crime_cadres

(END QUOTING)

Here is another bit of information. “Huge Alienships Fleet was caught by NASA MODIS satellite over crash site before incident.” The end of this YouTube video shows the starship fleet. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iFm8xNeOY4

So, what is the Truth in all of this confusing information? We know the Darkside has fought for years to establish their One World Order. They have fought against the banking change to a global gold system, that would remove their fiat money Federal Reserve System by which they are presently trashing the whole world and stealing all they can for themselves. We know they are desperate, for they are “out of money” to continue on with their plan for world control.

We know they are losing badly. We know that George Bush, Sr. and Henry Kissinger are key players, and that the Bush/Clinton/Obama Cabal are deeply involved in stopping the NESARA Mission and in establishing a One World Order with them in control of the whole world. These people have demonstrated over and over that they will do anything to win.

So, what does this have to do with the “crash” of Air France 447? If Michael Harris was “their man” on this flight and was completing a most vital step to provide the means to keep going with their evil plans, why would they “take him out” by destroying the airplane on which he was a passenger? They didn’t! We did, that is the Good Side did it!

“Oh, but why?” you ask. How could the White Knights and our good people kill 228 people to stop Michael Harris? They didn’t do it, and no one died! Let me explain.

As in the “crash” of the Columbia shuttle craft and in the destruction of the World Trade Towers, the Forces of Light under orders from Hatonn moved in with their starships and beamed aboard those people, who were in harms way. The seven crew members of the Columbia, the 20,000 persons of the World Trade Towers and the 228 passengers of Air France flight 447 will be returned to bear witness of what happened in these incidents.

We can now sort out the spin in the news media. No bodies from flight 447 were found. The two bodies reported yesterday and the suitcase were “planted” purposely to give validity to the official story. The airplane was vaporized by the technology of the Star People, so no debris and no oil slick and no black boxes from flight 447 were found.

The evil would-be world controllers know what happened and are furious about it, for this was a certain last step in their plan to win. They could not thwart Divine Intervention. They have lost, and the Light has won---again! Know it!

In Love and Light,

Patrick H. Bellringer

bellringer@fourwinds10.com

www.fourwinds10.com

#1 (Reply)

----- Original Message -----
From: SK
To: <bellringer@fourwinds10.com>
Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 8:26 PM
Subject: Siterun Contact Request from Fourwinds10


Message:

Hell Mr. Bellringer,

Thank you for enlightening the world with your deep insights and answers to today\'s troubling questions.

I read with great interest on what happened to Air France 447. You had mentioned that on orders of Hatonn the good Aliens had vaporized the aircraft and took the passengers and crew to safety. If that is true how do you explain the discovery of the vertical stabilizer and 24 bodies so far?

Did the French, Brazilian and US governments place a replacement stabilizer and 24 bodies in the ocean to offer a plausible explanation as to what happened to Air France flight447?

Again, thank you Mr. Patrick Bellringer for your wonderful service to us all.

(Reponse)

FROM: Patrick H. Bellringer
TO: SK
DATE: June 8, 2009
SUBJECT: Reply

Dear S.K.

Thank you for your letter and kind words. We must use great discernment to sort through all the lies in today's media.

Did you are anyone see any bodies recovered from Air France 447? Could this be possible, if they fell five miles to the ocean, which is 7000 feet [some say 14,000 to 30,000 feet ] deep to the ocean floor, which was said to be very mountainous, because it is part of the Mid-Atlantic Ridge? And, of course, there were no sharks anywhere in that area, or any other predators!

They can do amazing things with news videos. Was there a vertical stabilizer found? Was it from Air France 447 or a fake? How would you know? Were they using NASA's Hollywood moonlanding set to again fake the news of this "recovery" to the public? Just because we are shown pictures and hear stories on T.V., does not make for Truth.

Would there be any reason to lie to us about the disappearance of Air France 447 and its passengers? Governments and elitists don't lie---or do they?

In Love and Light,
Patrick H. Bellringer

#2 (Reply)

----- Original Message -----
From: whistleblower@bo......
To: <bellringer@fourwinds10.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 09, 2009 1:16 PM
Subject: plane vertical stabilizer is not authentic

EXTREME IMPORTANCE. Photo on the left is the AP, Reuters, et al. news media photo from June 8, 2009. The photo on the right is an actual photo of an Air France A330, from the Air France site June 8, 2009. As of right now, that particular photo page is not accessible ("proxy error, proxy server could not handle the request") but keep trying: go to: corporate.airfrance.com, then choose "Mediatheque", then choose "Photos", then choose "La flotte Air France". This partial photo you see here on the right shows the exact design of the vertical stabilizer/tail fin for an Air France Airbus A330, this is one of their actual A330 planes. The current media photo on the left (which is rotated here but otherwise untouched) is showing SOMETHING ELSE, NOT a vertical stabilizer from an Air France 330. Compare: 1. the area of white below the red stripe (the media's goes wider), 2. the slope of the back edge in relation to the baseline (the media's is a 90degree angle), 3. the width of the top edge length in white (the media's is wider), 4. the overall length top to bottom (media's is shorter; and there are no breaks to the top part of the media's as you can see the circle of yellow stars near the top). Please disperse widely and quickly.

http://www.fourwinds10.com/siterun_d...p?q=1244475551

viking

[Steve_A]

Hi Everybody,

This is an important update:

Although I only heard this once on the national news radio network (CBN), I think it extremely important.

There is a lot of news reports concerning how the pilots union in Air France are threatening to strike if the "Pitots" are not changed immediately.

Attention: This is a RED HERRING!!

An anonymous source in the Boeing Corporation said that this story was arranged to take blame away from Boeing, which is finacially ailing, for the accident.

The apparent blame takes the heat off of Air France the airline and Boeing the aeroplane manufacturer and puts the heat on the manufacturer of the 'Pitot' which is exchanging the parts anyway! That way, customers will not refuse to buy Air France Airline tickets and airlines will not cancel Boeing aeroplanes.

If this is the case, the two companies would 'arrange' the compensation payments by the Pitot manufacturer to the family of the passengers under the table, but removing them from the blame.

I had a quick look on the internet for more sources for this information, but couldn't find one. Perhaps more details will appear later on tomorrow.

I knew the position of the Air France pilots was premature, but just couldn't work out why. When I heard this news report, the penny dropped.

Keep an eye open people!

Best regards,

Steve

[THE eXchanger]

recently i flew on
Air Transat,
from LHR to YYZ
what was odd,
is that the little tag,
they give you with your seat #
said
Air France ???

is that odd ???

WHY WOULD it NOT say, AIR TRANSAT ???

also-i didn't see Air France, hooked up in any way, to this other airline

love/susan-the eXchanger

also, i orig. was going to fly that day,
and, was told no, return saturday/do NOT fly on sunday

[waitinginthewings]

Originally Posted by Starlah

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Guess I know why I don't fly besides being "broke". Is there a cruise ship that goes to Ecuador?

__________________________________________________ _
Humpty Dumpty sat on a Wall...Humpty Dumpty had a great Fall
All the King's soldiers and all the King's men couldn't put Humpty
Together again...

Starlah: even a cruise ship is not necessarily safe either, you could be tossed overboard without a trace, and even get a nasty virus.......perhaps a train

[mudra]

Here is the article Steve:
From : " the Australian "

Rush to replace sensors after air union threat

Article from: The Australian
AIR France scrambled to replace speed sensors on its A330 Airbuses yesterday after a pilots' union urged crew to boycott the long-range jets because faulty airspeed readings were suspected over last week's crash off Brazil.

"To prevent a repeat of this disaster we call on flight deck and cabin crew to refuse flights aboard the A330 and A340 series which have not been modified," said Alter, a union to which 10 per cent of the airline's crew belong.

As salvage teams in the Atlantic recovered more of the 228 bodies from Flight 447, Air France and European aviation authorities sought to calm a scare over unreliable pitot tubes - the probes that measure airspeed. Several airlines flying similar aircraft rushed to reassure passengers that they used a different sensor.

The first data from the doomed airliner reported a pitot failure and Air France has acknowledged that its jets had suffered several similar incidents. The Airbus went out of control as the electronic flight system failed after receiving conflicting airspeed readings from its three pitot tubes. Pitot tubes have long been prone to blocking by ice, rain and insects.

A failure in airspeed indication is a big handicap for a pilot but the aircraft can still be flown by hand with power settings and attitude, the orientation of the aircraft in relation to its flight direction.

Air France said that it was upgrading the probes, made by the French company Thales, on each of its 35 long-haul Airbuses but had not done so on the one that crashed on June 1.

Last night the SNPL, the main pilots' union, said that two out of three pitot tubes had now been replaced on all A330s.

read more here:
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...8-2703,00.html

Kindness
mudra

[Steve_A]

Hi Mudra,

That scenario of the article is to try and put the blame on the Pitot manufacturer Thales and not on Air France or Boeing.

If Air France was found at fault, people would stop travelling on Air France, especially this day and age where the economy and terrorism is high on peoples' minds.

If Boeing was deemed to be at fault, orders would be cancelled and Boeing for sure would go out of business.

I'm sure that the situation of the French pilots' union Alter has been concocted to try and steer the attention away from Air France and Boeing (after everything I've heard about the UAW in the States, dirty underhand deals made by unions will no longer be a shock to me). After all, failing companies mean fewer workers and that means the unions' bottom line will be affected.

Unfortunately I still haven't found another source for the Boeing workers' comments, I only heard the story on CBN, a very respected news channel on Brazilian radio. But just to back up my case further, not every news article about the subject has added information such as:

"But the secretary general of another French pilots' union, SNPL, said Monday the tubes were not likely the cause of the crash. Pitots are "a possible contributing factor," Julien Gourguechon said, but even without them, "we can make the plane fly.""

http://www2.chinadaily.com.cn/world/...nt_8263459.htm


"But some pilots said that the planes should remain flyable even if the Pitot tubes ice over in thunder storms. European Aviation Safety Agency issued a precautionary safety bulletin Tuesday reminding operators about existing procedures to safely fly the aircraft even when air speed indicators malfunction.

"We are aware of issues with this in the past, but at no time were they classified as safety-critical," said Daniel Hoeltgen, the agency's spokesman."

"France, Brazil and the Pentagon [ What does the Pentagon have to do with it? - Steve ] have said there are no signs that terrorism was involved in the crash."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090609/...a/brazil_plane

Something just doesn't smell right.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by mudra

Here is the article Steve:
From : " the Australian "

Rush to replace sensors after air union threat

Article from: The Australian
AIR France scrambled to replace speed sensors on its A330 Airbuses yesterday after a pilots' union urged crew to boycott the long-range jets because faulty airspeed readings were suspected over last week's crash off Brazil.

"To prevent a repeat of this disaster we call on flight deck and cabin crew to refuse flights aboard the A330 and A340 series which have not been modified," said Alter, a union to which 10 per cent of the airline's crew belong.

As salvage teams in the Atlantic recovered more of the 228 bodies from Flight 447, Air France and European aviation authorities sought to calm a scare over unreliable pitot tubes - the probes that measure airspeed. Several airlines flying similar aircraft rushed to reassure passengers that they used a different sensor.

[Steve_A]

Hi Everyone,

Just one day after the report that someone in the Boeing company has been talking a little too much, the president of Air France today stated that the Pitot sensors are NOT TO BE BLAMED for the Air France tradgedy.

In an article on the Radio France website the director of Air France-KLM, Pierre-Henri Gourgeon said that he was not convinced that the sensors were the origin of the accident.

“As I'm not convinced the the sensors are the cause of the accident, there's no reason to publish a statement”, he replied when being questioned about the lack of transparency of the company in relation to the release of information about the accident.

http://www.rfi.fr/actubr/articles/114/article_14216.asp

Basically what this means is that when the pilots union started making a noise about changing the sensors he kept quiet, allowing the general public to be led into thinking that this move by the pilots confirmed the fact that the sensors were the probable reason for the accident.

When he was pulled on this by a reporter who had a bit more b****, he tried to cover his back.

So now we know, Pierre-Henri Gourgeon does not beleive that the Pitot tubes were at fault.

Now it's a case of finding the black boxes. Will the French sub find them?

Best regards,

Steve

[DiVineEnvy]

Woman who missed Flight 447 is killed in car crash

An Italian woman who arrived late for the Air France plane flight that crashed in the Atlantic last week has been killed in a car accident.

Johanna Ganthaler, a pensioner from Bolzano-Bozen province, had been on holiday in Brazil with her husband Kurt and missed Air France Flight 447 after turning up late at Rio de Janeiro airport on May 31.

All 228 people aboard lost their lives after the plane crashed into the Atlantic four hours into its flight to Paris.

The ANSA news agency reported that the couple had managed to pick up a flight from Rio the following day.

It said that Ms Ganthaler died when their car veered across a road in Kufstein, Austria, and swerved into an oncoming truck. Her husband was seriously injured.

Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle6479203.ece

[burgundia]

Now they are saying that the Airbus was coming apart in mid-air for several minutes before hitting the ocean....

[mudra]

A Past Flight May Offer Clues to Air France 447
From: TIME

We'll never know what it was like to be aboard Air France Flight 447 as it plunged into the Atlantic Ocean on May 31, apparently killing all 228 aboard. For now, the closest we may get is listening to the passengers on a similar Airbus 330 jet whose flight computer put it into an uncommanded dive over northwestern Australia last October.

Qantas Flight 72 had been airborne for three hours, flying uneventfully on autopilot from Singapore to Perth, Australia. But as the in-flight dinner service wrapped up, the aircraft's flight-control computer went crazy. The plane abruptly entered a smooth 650-ft. dive (which the crew sensed was not being caused by turbulence) that sent dozens of people smashing into the airplane's luggage bins and ceiling. More than 100 of the 300 people on board were hurt, with broken bones, neck and spinal injuries, and severe lacerations splattering blood throughout the cabin.

"It was horrendous, absolutely gruesome, terrible," passenger Jim Ford told Australian radio. "The worst experience of my life." Passenger Nigel Court said he was terrified to watch people not wearing seat belts — including his wife — fly upward. "She crashed headfirst into the roof above us," he told a reporter. "People were screaming," said Henry Bishop of Oxford, England. A Sri Lankan couple said they were thrown to the ceiling when their seat belts failed. "We saw our own deaths," said Sam Samaratunga, who was traveling with his wife Rani to their son's wedding. "We decided to die together and embraced each other."

Following an investigation of the A330's uncommanded dive, Australian aviation officials, assisted by U.S. and French authorities, blamed a pair of simultaneous failures for the near disaster. The plane has three air data inertial reference units (ADIRUs), which are designed to help the plane's flight-control computer fly the plane safely. The system is intended to eliminate the possibility of electronic error: the flight computer, which is always monitoring the trio, can disregard one ADIRU if it begins relaying information that conflicts with the other two.

But that's not what happened when one of them went awry on Oct. 7 and began sending erroneous data spikes on the plane's angle of attack (AOA) — the angle between its wings and the air flowing over them — to the flight-control computer. "For some reason, the damn computer disregarded the healthy channels," says Hans Weber, an aviation expert who heads Tecop International, an aviation-consulting firm in San Diego. "Instead, it acted upon the information from the rogue channel." The computer, responding to the faulty data, put the plane into a dive.

In its preliminary investigative report, released on March 6, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau said Airbus had initially said it didn't know of any other similar events. But when the same thing happened again, involving a different aircraft, on Dec. 27, Airbus combed its computerized flight files and found data fingerprints suggesting similar ADIRU problems had occurred on a total of four flights. One of the earlier instances, in fact, included a September 2006 event on the same plane that entered the uncommanded dive in October (the other three flights had continued safely on). The same VCR-sized ADIRU was to blame in both those cases, although it had supposedly undergone a needed realignment following the 2006 event. All three planes carried the same brand and model of ADIRU, as do 397 of the 900 330s and 340s in the Airbus fleet.

It is not yet known whether Air France 447, an A330, carried the troublesome variety of ADIRU. But if it did, and if the Air France plane plummeted into an uncommanded dive while traveling through a downdraft generated by storms — a common occurrence over the region of the Atlantic Ocean where the plane went down — it could have been doomed as it entered a steep dive and likely broke up.

read more:
http://www.time.com/time/world/artic...rss-topstories


How many of these events do they need to actually handle these faulty things !!!!

kindness
mudra

[burgundia]

Air France crash: autopsies suggest plane broke up in air
Multiple fractures on the bodies of victims of the Air France disaster suggest the plane broke up in the air, post mortem results have revealed.


By Henry Samuel in Paris
Published: 7:48PM BST 17 Jun 2009
Members of the Brazilian Air Force carry the body of a victim of Air France flight 447: Air France plane broke up over 'number of minutes'
Members of the Brazilian Air Force carry the body of a victim of Air France flight 447 Photo: REUTERS

In the latest sign that Flight 447 was no longer intact when it plunged into the Atlantic, medical examiners said the bodies had multiple fractures of legs, hips and arms.

Such injuries could mean the plane broke apart in air, forensic experts said. Bodies and debris would be severely fragmented if the jet crashed intact.

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French air crash: Race to find black boxes from Air France flight

The theory that the plane broke up in the air is also supported by the location of victims' bodies found more than 50 miles apart.

However, experts have all but ruled out a mid-explosion as the bodies reportedly show no signs of burns.

Air crash investigators yesterday said there were "getting closer" to understanding what brought down the Airbus A330 en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris with 228 people on board.

But they urged relatives to have "a lot of patience".

Speaking in Paris, they announced that a 50th body has been found in the choppy ocean waters, where bad weather is hampering the search.

They said that 400 pieces of wreckage from "all zones" of Flight 447 had been recovered, and the picture of what went wrong was slowly becoming clearer.

"Considering all the work that has been done and all we have at our disposal, I think we may be getting a bit closer to our goal," said Paul-Louis Arslanian, head of France's air accident investigation bureau, the BEA.

However, he urged the public to show "a lot of patience" while the search continued in "unfavourable conditions".

Herve Morin, France's defence minister, promised on Tuesday that the hunt for more wreckage and bodies would continue while there was hope of finding the plane's black boxes.

Homing signals from the flight data and cockpit voice recorders are being sought by the Brazilian military, a French nuclear submarine and Dutch ships towing two hi-tech US Navy listening devices.

Their beacons will fade within two weeks.

Nelson Jobim, Brazil's defence minister, said the French would continue searching and helping to identify the bodies, but the entire identification process would take place in Brazil "to avoid double autopsies, which would be a horrible thing for the families".

The BEA yesterday said it regretted its medical experts had not being authorised to take part in post mortems with their Brazilian counterparts.


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[Steve_A]

Hi burgundia,

I saw a report similar to this yesterday on the Yahoo! website. A detail which was included in the other report was that the fact there were no burns on the bodies doesn't mean to say that there was no explosion on board the aircraft, it could have happened under the passenger cabin, for example.

I can't remember the link to it and when I read the report I was too tired after a busy day to post the information, waiting to post it today...

You beat me to it.

Best regards,

Steve

Originally Posted by burgundia

Air France crash: autopsies suggest plane broke up in air
Multiple fractures on the bodies of victims of the Air France disaster suggest the plane broke up in the air, post mortem results have revealed.


By Henry Samuel in Paris
Published: 7:48PM BST 17 Jun 2009
Members of the Brazilian Air Force carry the body of a victim of Air France flight 447: Air France plane broke up over 'number of minutes'
Members of the Brazilian Air Force carry the body of a victim of Air France flight 447 Photo: REUTERS

In the latest sign that Flight 447 was no longer intact when it plunged into the Atlantic, medical examiners said the bodies had multiple fractures of legs, hips and arms.

Such injuries could mean the plane broke apart in air, forensic experts said. Bodies and debris would be severely fragmented if the jet crashed intact.

Related Articles

*
Bodies of Air France flight 447 victims show no signs of mid-air explosion
*
Air France crash: Investigators recover 29 bodies in total
*
Air France crash: Brazilian ship recovers three more bodies
*
Air France crash: 'bodies hold clues to what happened'
*
French air crash: Race to find black boxes from Air France flight

The theory that the plane broke up in the air is also supported by the location of victims' bodies found more than 50 miles apart.

However, experts have all but ruled out a mid-explosion as the bodies reportedly show no signs of burns.

Air crash investigators yesterday said there were "getting closer" to understanding what brought down the Airbus A330 en route from Rio de Janeiro to Paris with 228 people on board.

But they urged relatives to have "a lot of patience".

Speaking in Paris, they announced that a 50th body has been found in the choppy ocean waters, where bad weather is hampering the search.

They said that 400 pieces of wreckage from "all zones" of Flight 447 had been recovered, and the picture of what went wrong was slowly becoming clearer.

"Considering all the work that has been done and all we have at our disposal, I think we may be getting a bit closer to our goal," said Paul-Louis Arslanian, head of France's air accident investigation bureau, the BEA.

However, he urged the public to show "a lot of patience" while the search continued in "unfavourable conditions".

Herve Morin, France's defence minister, promised on Tuesday that the hunt for more wreckage and bodies would continue while there was hope of finding the plane's black boxes.

Homing signals from the flight data and cockpit voice recorders are being sought by the Brazilian military, a French nuclear submarine and Dutch ships towing two hi-tech US Navy listening devices.

Their beacons will fade within two weeks.

Nelson Jobim, Brazil's defence minister, said the French would continue searching and helping to identify the bodies, but the entire identification process would take place in Brazil "to avoid double autopsies, which would be a horrible thing for the families".

The BEA yesterday said it regretted its medical experts had not being authorised to take part in post mortems with their Brazilian counterparts.


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[waitinginthewings]

Can Remote Viewers go back in time to when the accident happened and bring back info of what happened? Just curious?

[michaelg]

Originally Posted by waitinginthewings

Can Remote Viewers go back in time to when the accident happened and bring back info of what happened? Just curious?

Of course they can do it and also those who can access the akashic records might find something about it. I presume they're not allowed due to national security concerns, but alas people died even children among them. I think is time to learn remote viewing and it takes time and discipline, but will pay off. Astralwalker (Pane Andov) just wrote an interesting book about it, google it. He also gives courses on remote viewing, more about it here: http://www.globalhealingmeditation.org/id5.html

[BROOK]

Check this out, and see what you think? I thought it was pretty amazing footage
http://www.ufocasebook.com/2009b/airfrancevideo.html

[burgundia]

I'm not a remote viewer but in my dream the passenger plane started spiraling down seconds after a huge object flew just above it and caused some kind of turbulence...However it was only my dream....4-5 days before the event...

[Tango]

Steve,

This is MY last post on this.....

The cover up of the 187 on 1 June 09

France, thinks we're alll so Stupid.... I see the lies, do YOU...?

http://www.theonion.com/content/news...ine_air_france

Trooly,


Tango