I just attended a CSETI event

[tone3jaguar]

Oh yes, FYI. Those two video previews are illuminati propaganda that are attempting to get people to manifest a dire outcome because that is their twisted wet dream.

[mntruthseeker]

ABC's word on anything Oh Please spare me.......no major media / press will ever tell you the truth. Hell they even got cartoons out to pacify our children. screw them all

[orthodoxymoron]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

The hive mind is a lower state of consciousness that evolved way back when the universe was at a lower state of evolution than it is now. The concept of collective manifestation of the world we live on is not the hive mind. The hive concept is where the few direct the many in an organized socialist consciousness where the individuals act like individual aspects of the whole.

Collective consciousness is a law of the universe that can not be escaped. We do not need to have a goal of collective consciousness, we are already doing it. Most are just doing according to someone elses made up story instead of their own. This is what is changing. The illusion that the story is real is breaking down in the majority of the people on the planet. A critical number of people are beginning to say no to the false core beliefs that where taught to them from young ages. These are being purged simply by the evolution of the consciousness of the entire solar system and perhaps even the entire universe.

Because of this the minds of the many are being naturally freed and are beginning to form new understandings of the nature of the way that things work in the world. It is the job of all of us who know what our civilization is potentially capable of to help these people to understand what it is important to focus on and what is not important to focus on.

The Earth is not going to vomit the human race off of it. Earth changes will be localized and effect pockets of civilization where most of the people are refusing to allow the evolution of consciousness to change them. These things may not even kill people, however sometimes a little chaos is all it takes to get people to let go of ideas that they have become comfortable with. Not human induced illuminati chaos, natural event chaos.

So...you wouldn't have a problem with the human race becoming truly Christ-like...and basing globalism on Constitutional Responsible Freedom...with Earth being governed exclusively by human beings...with no non-human interference...benevolent or malevolent? Or would this provoke natural event chaos...provoked by HAARP perhaps? Or maybe nukes detonated under the polar icecaps and major faultlines? Would we call this an 'Act of God'?

By the way...here is some more Illuminati propaganda from FOX...which couldn't possibly be true or predictive. I'm tending to think that the Illuminati are very frightened right now. I don't think they know what to do. They realize that they are in the crosshairs too. They realize that they have been deceived and double-crossed. Just speculation. Lucifer...is that you at 8:05? What did it feel like when the planes hit the towers? Did you hear the screams? Did the computer which was used to remotely control the planes...also manage the controlled-demolitions? Come-on! Talk to me Lucifer! I am not trying to be triumphalistic. I just want you to retire...and turn Earth (if not the Solar System) over to Constitutional Responsible Freedom...with no Gods whatsoever. The God-concept does not work. Spirituality? Yes. Gods? No. Do the Earth Changes orders still stand? The terrorism needs to cease...permanently. Lucifer...you can make it happen. [All of the above is highly speculative in nature...and not based upon any inside information. It seems possible...and even probable to me...at this time...based upon a wide variety of sources and the consideration of a wide variety of possibilities. Take this post seriously...but not too seriously.]

[tone3jaguar]

[quote]

Originally Posted by orthodoxymoron

So...you wouldn't have a problem with the human race becoming truly Christ-like...and basing globalism on Constitutional Responsible Freedom...with Earth being governed exclusively by human beings...with no non-human interference...benevolent or malevolent?

Of course not, this is the paradigm of an advanced civilization.

Or would this provoke natural event chaos...provoked by HAARP perhaps? Or maybe nukes detonated under the polar icecaps and major faultlines? Would we call this an 'Act of God'?

The Earth is a super intelligent being. She wants to resonate at the highest frequency possible and in order to do this the frequency has to be evenly distributed across her surface. Destructive earth changes are sometimes the consciousness of the planet in the process of evening out the frequencies generated by the people on the surface.

And no, I am not speaking of artificially induced earth changes being part of this process. The illuminati think that they are conduits for universal Karma and that they are helping things by creating events like large scale wars to accomplish this reorganization out of chaos. What they do not realize is that they are creating massive quantities of bad karma for themselves and are in the process of living out that karma.

These Earth changes can come in many forms. They could be heat waves, super cold weather, hurricanes, tornadoes, huge hail storms like the one in New Jersey a few months back, or even a small localized severe thunderstorm. What ever it takes to slap the sheeple awake.

[eleni]

Question here: Does one think the *Illuminati* are that dumb about karma or are they controlled by lower astral entities and just don't care?
Or are the Illuminati we speak of not the real Illuminati- there are numerous reasons why I say this.

[orthodoxymoron]

In my own simplistic way...I keep thinking that we are in the last stages of an ancient conflict between the human and reptilian races. I keep thinking that at some point...thousands or even millions of years ago...the reptilians got the upper-hand over the humans...genetically modified us (dumbing us down) to create a slave-race...and proceeded to play God. And that the reptilians have used sell-out humans throughout history...to manage their herds of humans. These sell-outs have mostly been our religious, political, and financial leaders. Again...this is simply educated speculation.

If most of the above is true...it is my hope that the cycle of conquest and revenge can be broken. Star Wars and Masters of the Universe are stupid games. We shouldn't be fighting over who gets to be God. The God Concept should end. All races...throughout the universe...should just all get along. There may need to be some segregation...as various races work out their unique problems...but none of them should be enslaved, hurt, or killed. I'm sensing three major races...human, reptilian, and grey...but who knows how many races there really are...throughout the entire universe?

I tend to think that the Illuminati have sold-out to the reptilians in order to obtain fame, fortune, power, and protection...in exchange for carrying out the will of the reptilian race against the human race. Jesus was offered the top-job...by Lucifer...if he would bow down and worship Lucifer. Jesus refused. Unfortunately...many others have accepted...throughout history. Who knows who the real Illuminati are? Many think they know...but do they really?

[tone3jaguar]

They are not dumb intelligence wise or else they would not have been able to accomplish what they have. However, they do actually believe that they are the conduits for the universes consciousness of distruction and chaos. Because of this the most devout of their religion actually think that the decisions they make are the will of the creator. Due to this they have no concept of the perception of Karma. They think that what ever their twisted minds and extra dimensional cohorts come up with is divine will. Therefore, they actually believe that none of it will ever come back on them.

In the same way that they have imposed their will on us and tricked us into believing false truths, the exact same thing has been done to them from these negatively polarized parallel dimensions. Many of them are waking up to the fact that they have been spiritually lied to and manipulated and tricked by the beings they aligned themselves with and are divorcing themselves from it. Some of them where born into it and never had much of a choice after they where incarnated. We may not get news reports about it, but there is a mass exodus from groups like this happening all of the world right now.

Some of them are so deep into it and actually think that because once upon a time their great great great great great grand daddy was the ruler of BFE (butt f--king egypt) that this somehow means that they are the spawn of the gods of distruction, and they may go on believing this until there is nothing left of them.

[eleni]

I can agree that some think they are the descendants of so and so - but in my experience with the so called Illume families- they are not as *knowledgeable* about interdimensional aspects as we give them credit for- as far as Illumes I speak of the Rothschild clan (French faction) and certain bloodlines of the Black Nobility.

This is why I say the real Illuminati are not who we think they are. I believe they are not the one's in control (human wise) even though their actions are evil, service to self centered etc;

That's not to say they aren't in control of media, banking, creating war, unleashing disease etc;

Agree- they have no concept of karma, not the one's I know anyhow- they are far from *Illumed*.

It's my belief to so called 13 families of the Illuminati are not the real Illuminati at all. The real one's IMO have not been revealed (human- am not speaking of reptilians and so on).

[14 Chakras]

Great thread, all interesting discussion points and possibilities being discussed. My understandings shared below.

Shapeshifting reptilians = generally speaking 5th dimensional et's, using technology to create the hologram in the third. Everything is hologram, it's a ... That means the beings that are embodied here that are reptilians can be literally on their spaceships in higher dimensions at the same time... trippy huh?

orthodoxymoron your summary here:
"In my own simplistic way...I keep thinking that we are in the last stages of an ancient conflict between the human and reptilian races. I keep thinking that at some point...thousands or even millions of years ago...the reptilians got the upper-hand over the humans...genetically modified us (dumbing us down) to create a slave-race...and proceeded to play God. And that the reptilians have used sell-out humans throughout history...to manage their herds of humans. These sell-outs have mostly been our religious, political, and financial leaders. Again...this is simply educated speculation."

I agree with, and I would add that the elite "sell outs" to the alien species are "blue bloods" meaning cold blooded reptilians themselves, just half breeds generally speaking (which explains the whole 'satanic bloodlines' business)... Basically the reps travel round on their Niburu for thousands of years at a time and while away, they leave their half breed comrades in charge of what they deem as their cattle stock (us) here on planet earth awaiting for their nasty return...

There's a lot more than three alien races in the almost infinite universe! And judging by many whistleblowers accounts, a lot more than three here on planet earth at this time... unfortunately, truth is layered and infinite, as long as we are seeking outside of ourselves we will never get to the truth, always more layers, we have to seek inside and surrender and we will experience the truth, we will achieve union with it... this is the only true Way.

As Tone agrees with, the paradigm of an advanced civilization is to have Christ Beings embodied and leading the civilization for the benefit of all life, and all life to see through the illusions of separation and be moving towards the Christ consciousness, rather than egotistical aliens leading the population to their own demise.

I suggest however, the ONLY way to attain this kind of civilization is for the people of this planet to overcome their own illusions and for a critical mass of them, a Christ mass, to make the jump to the Christ consciousness.

In other words, it isn't ET's coming here that will save this planet and bring enlightenment to it, it is the people of this planet themselves that will do so. They will only do so when they realize their own power within. How would they do this if another more 'advanced' alien race showed up now and started doing stuff on our planet? How would we realize the power within if something outside of us came and made it happen?

As you say, you attract what you put your attention on. If you put your attention on ET's who wish to come take over this planet, or put us under them in some sort of hiearchy, then that's what your attracting. Why do we trust them? There is so much evidence contrary, yet we want so much to believe, we're willing to explain it all away with: those thousands of whistle blowers and abduction experiences are just human beings pretending to be mean aliens... all aliens are nice or they would have had us for dinner by now... well there's definitely the possibility that there is cosmic law that has prevented them from interfering anymore than they already have and that they have plans that are not nice coming up in this important time.

It is my highest suggestion that people stop trying to connect to ET's and start connecting to the spiritual realm, the ascended realm, to God within. Archangel Michael is a great start for that because he'll help cut you free from what is untrue and help you connect to what is true.

As for the universal exorcism, I am of the opinion that this is well under way, but it will still be up to us, the people of this planet, to connect to God within them and let the highest Self, the I AM within (or holy spirit if you wish to term it that way), be the doer. For with man it is not possible, but with God all things are possible, we just have to realize that God is accessible within us and won't fix the world from outside of us, only from inside of us..

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P.S. Tone, the demons you are describing are crazy ones... but the serpent described in Genesis was a hint for us, it is the "wisest" of all the species. It's not dumb and crazy, it's smart and cunning, it's wise. The truly nefarious species are not outwardly evil looking, outwardly they have a lot of light, like Clinton or Obama... but inwardly they are ravening wolves... same goes for some of hte ET's promising humanity salvation if we join their club.

Nothing to fear here, nothing to fear, but let's connect to God within and the spiritual realm and hiearchy rather than other students in teh schoolroom of the universe who may be failing their grades very badly (other students meaning ET's)...

[eleni]

Yes, so important to connect to real spiritual realm and develop one's self - not ET's saviors of any type.

I think people give too much power to the reptilians/so called Illuminati etc;

It's time to work on ourselves- let those are are in STS reap their own karma- we have the choice not to go along with it even if we do live on a planet that is polluted, controlled by profit and greed. We can develop ourselves- we need not reap their karma.

[orthodoxymoron]

14 Chakras, tone3jaguar, and eleni...your last posts were priceless!

[Christo888]

14, great words... one thing in particular that really stood out is the 'half breed blue bloods,' kinda puts a whole different twist on things!

Dimwitted blue blood babysitters of the planet... hmmmmm.... half breeds to interbred to continue sanity!!!!

Perhaps this lineage cannot stabilize themselves and therefore have gone overboard trying to rule everything and are driving themselves to extinction.

Next in line!!!

[tone3jaguar]

As an additional note, classifying all humanoid reptilian extra terrestrial races as evil and bent on destruction is racism no different than the demonization of Muslims and Communist citizens. What if there are a bunch of peaceful reptilian races and the negative parallel entities have a bone to pick with them so they take on their form? Just an idea.

Everyone seems to have forgotten the old saying, "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear". What happened to that type of discernment?

[eleni]

Out of the mouth of my 5 year old- a few minutes ago- random as well-

"Mom, did you know aliens control the planet? And they do it from space".

I asked which aliens? He said "different kinds". I asked him when was he told this. He said " I don't remember the date but it was during one time when they came into my room".

[eleni]

I would have to agree t3j- the one's (only time I ever encountered *reptilians*) under the influence of ayahuasca where not threatening- sure they look scary at first but if you interact with them on that reality (or maybe it was just me-no- it's been the experience of others too) you may feel differently. Of course there are probably numerous factions/races of reptilians etc; these claim to be living in the earth and have been here since beginning of planet.

[Jnana]

14 Chakras, the number one response I get when I ask the ETs pretty much anything is that I need to look within and raise my own conciousness.

The same divine spirit shines through all intelligent beings throughout the universe. They (the ETs) cannot and are not offering salvation. They have already been through what we are about to go through, but they can't change the process. They can't change universal laws.

What then is the point of contact? The quarantine is about to end and it's time to meet the neighbors. We're going to have to learn how to get along in a universe teeming with intelligent life. You are justifiably concerned about getting through the transition, and connecting with the divine within is indeed what needs to happen. I am also looking farther ahead.

I think there is way too much cowboy and indian star wars space opera disinformation floating around and people get caught up in some story lines that are nothing but fiction. I absolutely agree with focusing on spiritual growth, but absolutely disagree with any form of xenophobia.

[eleni]

If there is a quarantine on the planet (even the Veda's speak of it) then it must be only a 3d one and the abductions really are interdimensional (they feel it) but the greys and the one's behind the greys are deceptive and cause people to believe they are from another planet- or there is no quarantine at all- or maybe those violating such a quarantine. When I was little I thought they were from the moon- not sure if I was told that and they are operating from moon bases as some have suggested. Many possibilities but in going over more ancient *evidence* they have been interacting with us since the beginning of planet- some claim they created us- many possibilities so I don't necessarily buy into the quarantine theory that Greer touts.

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by tone3jaguar

If this was possible don't you think that we would see it replicated some where in nature. Yes in nature there are creatures that go through a metamorphasis from one type of being to another (ex. butterfly). There are also beings that can change the patterns on their skin to blend in (octopus, kuddle fish). There are no examples of a mammal that can shift into a reptile then back to a mammal. The way that DNA works at this frequency range will not allow for this to take place.

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I'd forgotten about this... and although there are no examples of a mammals shifting into a reptile... some metamorphasis in humans takes place... tee hee.

[TheObserver]

Originally Posted by eleni

Out of the mouth of my 5 year old- a few minutes ago- random as well-

"Mom, did you know aliens control the planet? And they do it from space".

I asked which aliens? He said "different kinds". I asked him when was he told this. He said " I don't remember the date but it was during one time when they came into my room".

I wonder what Art Linkletter would think!

[KathyT]

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[Jnana]

Originally Posted by eleni

If there is a quarantine on the planet (even the Veda's speak of it) then it must be only a 3d one ...

That's essentially correct. It isn't to keep them out so much as to keep us in until we learn how to play nicely with others.

[tone3jaguar]

Yes, and this goes for all civilizations that have not learned to be peaceful. So much for the negative ET's being from somewhere besides an underground lab.

[eleni]

Well then that makes all the military testimonies ,Bob Dean, Cliff Stone etc wrong........somehow I think the quarantine does not exist anymore- or never did- or perhaps intervention was necessary after our testing and setting off of atomic bombs - as some have implied.

[orthodoxymoron]

Is it really just Earth humans who need to learn to play nicely? Could it be that the whole universe is a war-zone? Or have the warring factions been isolated to this solar-system? Are the reptilians and greys really the nice beings of the universe? Or are the reptilians, greys, and humans the problem-children of the universe? Are the reptilians the current Masters of the Universe? Are the humans currently rebelling against their Gods? Is Earth a Planet in Rebellion? Is the latest version of the New World Order an attempt to crack-down on the uppity humans? Are obedient slaves considered to be peaceful? Are slaves who are struggling to gain their freedom considered to be aggressive and violent? Is a peaceful civilization defined as a submissive civilization? If humans are submissive to reptilians and greys...are they then considered to be peaceful? Was 9/11 a whip across the back of the 'free' United States? If the U.S. goes down...will there be any chance of freedom...anywhere in the world? Or anywhere in the universe?

It's all in the details, definitions, and biases...isn't it? Ask any attorney. Lucifer...in addition to being a musician...you're a theologian and attorney as well...aren't you? You must be the world's leading authority on the Holy Bible and the U.S. Constitution...aren't you? The words of Christ combined with the Constitution...and applied throughout the world...would mean the end of reptilian-rule...wouldn't it? You know this better than anyone...don't you? Are there worse beings than you...Lucifer...in this big, bad universe? Are you our worst-enemy and best-buddy...simultaneously? I've been treating you that way...haven't I? Are the Deep Underground Military Bases and the Secret Space Program for the benefit of the human race...or for the benefit of the reptilian and grey races? Or could these things be for our mutual benefit? If the Solar System was based upon the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights...would Orion and Draco really try to crack-down? Would the Empire Strike Back? Who the hell knows? The possibilities are endless.

What if this universe is just a marble...which a couple of kids are playing with...just like in the movie? I'm gonna smoke another joint.

[KathyT]

Originally Posted by Jnana

That's essentially correct. It isn't to keep them out so much as to keep us in until we learn how to play nicely with others.

Yup. To keep us in.

A parallel. We build fences to keep cattle in fields. And although it constrains them, fences protect livestock to some extent, as if they wander, they could venture out to areas of a forest where they might become prey to a cougar or bear, etc. We fence them in because they are ‘property’.

Mankind has a history of using lower animals for entertainment. Consider the Romans and their gladiator games. Consider the Spanish bullfighting. Consider rooster and dog fighting. Consider rodeos. Consider dog shows.

None of us can conceive what and who the higher ‘beings’ are really like. We can’t. We don’t have the ability to have that experience. “They” may bring their awareness down to our level, but that is all.

We were created by them. Their ultimate and overall reason for our creation is only known by them, not us.
They don’t “need” us. They have everything they want on their higher levels, more than we can possibly understand.

I think we’re a type of entertainment to “them”. Hollywood creates all kinds of fantasy entertainment films.. concepts that go into film making. No reason not to think our ‘creators’ haven’t just done it on a magnificent scale, 3D, a full dimensional entertainment package.

That may be hard to swallow, but I don’t see any way to prove that this idea is wrong.