http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Camelot - what does this mean?

[smat]

I love Project Camelot, Bill, Kerry and all the interviews and Avalon users.
I noticed this article on wikipedia and just am wondering what it means.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Camelot

Project Camelot
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Project Camelot was a social science research project of the United States Army in 1964.[1] The goal of the project was to assess the causes of violent social rebellion and to identify the actions a government could take to prevent its own overthrow. The proposal caused much controversy among social scientists, many of whom argued that such a study would end up using social scientific research to strengthen established government and to put down revolutionary movements in Latin America and other volatile places. Chile was to be the test case for the project, but the Norwegian sociologist Johan Galtung, who had been invited to be a contributor, worked hard to alert Chilean and US social scientists of the project's true purposes.
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* 1 History
* 2 Organization
* 3 See also
* 4 Notes
* 5 External links
* 6 References
* 7 Further reading

[edit] History

The project was canceled as the US Defense Department came under increasing criticism for attempting to subvert social research, as well as arguments that social science research was an appropriate way to avoid cultural conflict. The latter was not a unique idea, as the US had recognized that much of the reason they went to war with Japan came from a lack of understanding Japanese culture, and commissioned the anthropologist, Ruth Benedict, to write a widely distributed book on Japanese society and beliefs. [2]

At the time of Project Camelot, there was not unanimous agreement that unclassified social science research is subversive, or that such research should be classified. Recent military thinking about it includes:

Over the past 2 years, senior leaders have been calling for something unusual and unexpected--cultural knowledge of the adversary. In August 2004, retired Major General Robert H. Scales, Jr., wrote an article for the Naval War College's Proceedings magazine that opposed the commonly held view within the U.S. military that success in war is best achieved by overwhelming technological advantage. Scales argues that the type of conflict we are now witnessing in Iraq requires "an exceptional ability to understand people, their culture, and their motivation." In October 2004, Arthur Cebrowski, Director of the Office of Force Transformation, concluded that "knowledge of one's enemy and his culture and society may be more important than knowledge of his order of battle." In November 2004, the Office of Naval Research and the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) sponsored the Adversary Cultural Knowledge and National Security Conference, the first major DOD conference on the social sciences since 1962. Cultural knowledge has suddenly become such an imperative primarily because traditional methods of warfighting have proven inadequate in Iraq and Afghanistan. US technology, training, and doctrine designed to counter the Soviet threat are not designed for low-intensity counterinsurgency operations where civilians often mingle freely with combatants in complex urban terrain.[1]

[edit] Organization

CAMELOT was a United States Army program, not an operation of the Central Intelligence Agency. The work was performed by a subcontractor to what was then called the Special Operations Research Office (SORO) at American University, which was renamed the Center for Research in Social Systems (CRESS) after the CAMELOT fiasco.

Parts of the above-cited article have been used to suggest that the project was subversive in nature. In practice, there was nothing secretive about it[citation needed], but a researcher started informing Chilean colleagues without the context[citation needed], or an opportunity for the US embassy to participate in the discussion.

Project Camelot is a study whose objective is to determine the feasibility of developing a general social systems model which would make it possible to predict and influence politically significant aspects of social change in the developing nations of the world. Somewhat more specifically, its objectives are: First, to devise procedures for assessing the potential for internal war within national societies; Second, to identify with increased degrees of confidence those actions which a government might take to relieve conditions which are assessed as giving rise to a potential for internal war; and Finally, to assess the feasibility of prescribing the characteristics of a system for obtaining and using the essential information needed for doing the above two things. Project Camelot, which was initiated during a time when the military took counterinsurgency seriously as an area of competency, recognized the need for social science insights. According to the director's letter: "Within the Army there is especially ready acceptance of the need to improve the general understanding of the processes of social change if the Army is to discharge its responsibilities in the overall counterinsurgency program of the U.S. Government." "Chile was to be the first case study for Project Camelot. Norwegian sociologist Johan Galtung was invited to design a seminar for Project Camelot. Although he refused, he shared information about the project with colleagues. Meanwhile, Hugo Nuttini, who taught anthropology at the University of Pittsburgh, accepted an assignment for Project Camelot in Chile. While there, he concealed Camelot's military origin, but word leaked out. Protests arose from Chile's newspapers and legislature and the Chilean government lodged a diplomatic protest with the US Ambassador. In Washington, D.C., following congressional hearings on the subject, McNamara canceled Project Camelot in 1965.[1]

[edit] See also

* State Failure Task Force
* Minerva research initiative

[edit] Notes

1. ^ a b c McFate, Montgomery. (March-April, 2005.), "Anthropology and Counterinsurgency: The Strange Story of their Curious Relationship", Military Review, http://www.army.mil/professionalwrit...05/7_05_2.html
2. ^ Benedict, Ruth (1974). The Chrysanthemum and the Sword. Plume.

[edit] External links

* Excerpts of various related articles
* The Romance of American Psychology

[edit] References

* Earl Babbie, The Practice of Social Research, 10th edition, Wadsworth, Thomson Learning Inc. ISBN 0534620299

[edit] Further reading

* Irving Louis Horowitz, ed., The Rise and Fall of Project Camelot: Studies in the Relationship Between Social Science and Practical Politics, Cambridge MA: The M.I.T. Press, 1967 JSTOR
* A. L. Madian, A. N. Oppenheim, "Knowledge for What? The Camelot Legacy: The Dangers of Sponsored Research in the Social Sciences", British Journal of Sociology, Vol. 20, No. 3 (Sep., 1969), pp. 326-336. JSTOR
* Solovey, Mark (2001-04-01). "Project Camelot and the 1960s Epistemological Revolution: Rethinking the Politics-patronage-social Science Nexus". Social Studies of Science 31 (2): 171–206. doi:10.1177/0306312701031002003. http://sss.sagepub.com/cgi/content/abstract/31/2/171. Retrieved on 2008-10-01.

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Categories: Abandoned United States military projects | Military intelligence | Political science | Sociology | United States Department of Defense | 1964 establishments








please don't shoot the mess anger, I would just like to know your opinions on all this, it has me confused.

Mat.

[Malynda]

I have run across this as well and it did give me pause. If by some chance Kerry and Bill's Project Camelot is a new incarnation of the project, so be it. It's still bringing people together in a positive way and if I were the PTB, I would be scared because we're transforming a negative into a positive and they can't do that apparently.

[alyscat]

Well, in 1964, we had a president (who was killed that year) whose presidency had been called camelot.

I'm guessing that this is no more related to the previous use of the name than Kennedy's presidency was related to the name.

Sometimes a banana is just a banana.
alys

[burgundia]

or the name is not just a coincidence and the whole idea has a deeper meaning....

[Malynda]

Originally Posted by alyscat

Well, in 1964, we had a president (who was killed that year) whose presidency had been called camelot.

I'm guessing that this is no more related to the previous use of the name than Kennedy's presidency was related to the name.

Sometimes a banana is just a banana.
alys

You just launched a thought. Kennedy was murdered 11/22/1963. He created wide social change, or tried to. Perhaps that is the reason for the name in 1964. But it could just be a banana as you said.

[alyscat]

Having just lived through a situation in which idiot conspiracy-fearing people actually worked to cause major problems for a man (leading to a firing) who I personally know, for something he did not do, and who accused him of the opposite of what his goals for the last 22 years ever were, I tend to be less conspiracy minded than most. I think some people get off on thinking the worse of people and circumstances, and it cheers them somehow.

I admit that there are some "coincidences" that are beyond belief, but on the other hand, I do think it can be overblown mightily.
alys

[Malynda]

I don't think anyone here is trying to stir up some gigantic conspiracy. Someone asked a question and we responded mentioning some coincidences. That's all.

[smat]

Originally Posted by alyscat

Having just lived through a situation in which idiot conspiracy-fearing people actually worked to cause major problems for a man (leading to a firing) who I personally know, for something he did not do, and who accused him of the opposite of what his goals for the last 22 years ever were, I tend to be less conspiracy minded than most. I think some people get off on thinking the worse of people and circumstances, and it cheers them somehow.

I admit that there are some "coincidences" that are beyond belief, but on the other hand, I do think it can be overblown mightily.
alys

You shouldn't taint everyone with the same brush just because one conspiracy theory is wrong it doesn't mean they all are. The majority of people on here are looking for answers to questions and we can use our own brain and the power of the internet to search/discern, check information for ourselves. I've learn t a lot from Project Camelot, it's woke me up to new ideas and new possibilities.

[David]

It could just be a name from a fairy tale.

[Malynda]

Yes it could.

[alyscat]

I haven't tainted everyone with the same brush, however I don't jump on a bandwagon until I've investigated for myself. Which is what I think we all have done, and which I think I've suggested in the past, smat.

alys

Originally Posted by smat

You shouldn't taint everyone with the same brush just because one conspiracy theory is wrong it doesn't mean they all are. The majority of people on here are looking for answers to questions and we can use our own brain and the power of the internet to search/discern, check information for ourselves. I've learn t a lot from Project Camelot, it's woke me up to new ideas and new possibilities.