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View Poll Results: Do you Think TPTB are Here on AVALON ?
Yes ... Definately ( Can't See Why Not ! ) 84 68.29%
No ! "Tumble Weed" 7 5.69%
Maybe ... They Could Be Here !? 25 20.33%
Not Sure .... There Two Buzy Planning Our DOOM ! 8 6.50%
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:30 AM   #1
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Hey You,


Do you Guys believe there are people setup here by TPTB to Monitor what is going on & Mislead people in the Wrong Direction ? POST what you think & Let your Voice be Heard ! Don't Forget To Cast Your VOTE !
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Old 11-03-2008, 06:41 AM   #2
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Ken Adachi from "EDUCATE YOURSELF" is convinced his site takes a lot of hits from the CIA via their related ISP's.

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Old 11-03-2008, 07:48 AM   #3
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"PTB" is getting a little old here. I've used the abbreviation myself when struggling to describe a faceless controlling power, but it's just not that simple.
We are the PTB, they are us, as far as PA is concerned.

I think a better question would be: "Are there subversive entities embedded in PA that wish to discredit credit accrued?"

Certainly they are here. No question.

I'm not sure if our opinions of that matters though.

Now as to specifics....that would be helpful.

Anyone?

p.s
Reuters, why so many polls w/ all members's votes displayed?
I count at least 5 in the last few days.
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Old 11-03-2008, 07:58 AM   #4
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I'm not quite sure as to how tags are actually attatched to threads, ( as I understand it, they must be added by the OP)
but, Reuters, I was wondering why one of the tags for this thread is:

"bill and kerry suspicious"?

Is this what you're hinting at?
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Old 11-03-2008, 08:04 AM   #5
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@Reuters: I am amazed you even needed to ask the question!

IMO: Yes, frequently. Either by posing as a member of simply watching the wires.

Let me ask you - what of it?
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Old 11-03-2008, 08:10 PM   #6
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[QUOTE=raulduke;68948]"PTB" is getting a little old here. I've used the abbreviation myself when struggling to describe a faceless controlling power, but it's just not that simple.
We are the PTB, they are us, as far as PA is concerned.

I hate to sound like an un-hip nitwit but what is "PTB" and "PA"???
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:12 AM   #7
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I hate to sound like an un-hip nitwit but what is "PTB" and "PA"???

Don't worry freekatz, I've had to go to wiki to look up alot of these web terms and abbreviations, as this is the first forum I've ever been a member of, so imho, lmao, rofl and the like were gibberish to me, until recently.


The PTB are: the Powers That Be, and they won't leave me be, but as I said, I grow tired of the term, as it implies helplesseness.

PA is Project Avalon.

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Old 11-04-2008, 01:02 AM   #8
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Don't worry freekatz, I've had to go to wiki to look up alot of these web terms and abbreviations, as this is the first forum I've ever been a member of, so imho, lmao, rofl and the like were gibberish to me, until recently.


The PTB are: the Powers That Be, and they won't leave me be, but as I said, I grow tired of the term, as it implies helplesseness.

PA is Project Avalon.
Thank you raulduke!

By calling "them" the powers that be aren't we handing our power over to them?
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Old 11-04-2008, 04:01 AM   #9
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this could be another social engineering project as many other active ones out there.
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:20 PM   #10
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Yes, many of the PTB agents are here, , , ,

The real question is, why?
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:42 PM   #11
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Absolutely.

Why else hits from Reston, VA?
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Old 11-04-2008, 12:44 PM   #12
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Why not? I'd like to extend my welcome mate out for the "PBT" and thank the "PTB" for if it were not for the "PTB", we would not be here sharing the info. Let's let the "PTB" know how much we "LOVE" and "CARE" for them as well.


LOVE ONE, LOVE ALL!
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Old 11-04-2008, 01:01 PM   #13
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Anybody heard of the patrioc act, the goverments have a right to monitor, cel phones conversations, websites, gps tracking etc. This is all under the banner of national security. Althought it would be impossible to get an insider with a top secret clearence of level 15 or higher to spill the beans , you never know. It will take aproximately 15 to 30 minutes to have the feds knocking on your door, that's the way things are. Freedom of speech in this case is an illusion afforded to those with speculative views, not for those who know and can be arrested at a moments noticed for divulging information
vital to the security of any country monitoring this website.HELLO !!!
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Old 11-04-2008, 02:40 PM   #14
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More importantly.....

Why must we believe in the Powers That Be are real?

Do they replace our need for belief in a Supreme Being?

Why do we need to believe that events happening are controlled by forces or people we can't see?

I agree. The PTB are US. You and I. We can change the world. We are changing the world now.

(( Yes, if the PTB have the resources to watch every single forum, web page, blog in the world - then they are here and conversing with you at this minute. ))

What do you think?
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Old 11-04-2008, 03:45 PM   #15
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Maybe we should start calling them the powers that "were"

We are the new power!
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:28 PM   #16
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Althought it would be impossible to get an insider with a top secret clearence of level 15 or higher to spill the beans , you never know.
Quite right... BUT they are allowed to 'hint' and 'point' to information. Sometimes a simple word on something that is no longer classified thus safe to comment about, will lead a good researcher to many many doors.

The problem with info gathering is KNOWING what questions to ask... A simple word or link to a website and a lot of reading and legwork... will reveal many secrets...

A good example is "Codename MISTY". I won't tell you what that led me too yet... be curious to see if anyone else does a little legwork

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It will take aproximately 15 to 30 minutes to have the feds knocking on your door, that's the way things are.
More like 5 here, FBI office is 6 blocks away

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Freedom of speech in this case is an illusion afforded to those with speculative views, not for those who know and can be arrested at a moments noticed for divulging information vital to the security of any country monitoring this website.HELLO !!!

If it was an 'illusion' for web posters... places like this and ATS would have been shut down long ago... not allowed to flourish and grow...

Considering the info I have on my website... IF it was an issue the nice visitors that talk with a monotone, have no humor, and use black as the preferred aesthetic appeal in apparel would have 'bored' me to death with conversation a long time ago...

But funny thing... one of those 'watchers' at ATS, from the DoD, did knock at my door and spent three days cahtting with John and myself...

When he left (and yes I had his credentials checked, even looked at the three DOD and AF stickers on his yellow van the last thing he said was "You only have the tip of the cat's tail."

I replied; "Yeah but we are tugging hard enough that the cat is looking at us"

Upon running the checks through my sources... one comment came back...

Your note is full of so many things that we could chat about...literally for hours. What really caught my interest was the story about the 'visitor' y'all had. I used to do similar things...get in the car...drive over half of God's Creation to 'visit' with people, scientists and some folks with special skills.

Remember...for someone to be able to do that (travel, etc.)...that takes a 'budget', schedules, etc. And in order for someone to do something like that (like I used to do right after 9/11 thru early -03)...someone who has a discretionary budget generally finances those kind of 'intel' projects. Does the term 'reconoiter' mean anything to you? (LOL)! Just be careful.. They probably don't consider you guys to be a threat, or they'd have already 'bored you to death with conversation' (ROTFFL!).



Then two weeks later a very odd thing happened...

Before when I would do a search... I might hit something good after several days of seeking...

Now when I type in a search my results on page one are all .mil sites and official pdf files


And another 'odd' thing... I will find a new link to a site... click on it and get an error message.... then about an hour later I am allowed in...

ALL the info is in the public domain that I find... its just not easy to find without the right words to search for...


THIS is how true insiders can 'leak' info... point you to a place where you can find it on your own...

THIS is why I highly suspect 'whistle blowers' that offer no data to back their story... when it is so easy to provide...

A simple link to the DoD Defense budget showing an item listing is a good start. If they are spending monet on it... there is a pretty good chance a project really exists, even if it is 'cancelled' (gone black)


So be nice to the SPOOKS that visit here... you might be surprised that many are on your side


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Old 11-04-2008, 10:38 PM   #17
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Hi Zorgon.

I started to type in Codename Misty and the search assistant on my BT Yahoo browser came up 'Search Codename Misty Satellites'.



I totally agree with your sentiment re whistleblowers, PTB etc.
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:41 PM   #18
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Hi Zorgon,

I have been reading your post with a lot of interest.

Why I respond at this moment?

Because of the sober logic you use to explain "complex" things.

Thank you Zorgon.
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:17 AM   #20
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As usual, Zorgon takes a step back from hysteria, paranoia and junk, and makes sense.
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Old 11-05-2008, 12:49 AM   #21
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Have to handed to you Zorgon you have more courage than me to go searching ,I had a few scares. You are quite right a combination of key words can get you into places. Buddy I'm with you,even if you are an alien with a pink card .
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Old 11-04-2008, 10:48 PM   #22
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A good example is "Codename MISTY". I won't tell you what that led me too yet... be curious to see if anyone else does a little legwork
You mean :

Known by the code name “Misty,” the program is aimed at developing satellites that can orbit undetected. But its cost has mushroomed, from $5 billion to $9.5 billion. Opponents argue that spy planes can do the job, and that the money would be better spent in areas more critical to defending against terrorism, including the hiring of more human spies.
http://articles.latimes.com/2005/feb...ion/na-intel20

Edit: Shoot!, You already posted it.. All legwork umsonst.

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Old 11-04-2008, 04:16 PM   #23
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Why wouldn't they be here.

Heck they can monitor our cell phone calls, land calls, watch us from satelites, road and city cameras, someone even mentioned they are putting cameras into new HD tv sets.

So why wouldn't they moniter this!


Thanks to who asked what PTB meant. I didn't know either. As Jesse Ventura says "there are no stupid questions". Chances are that if you ask a question someone else is wondering also.
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Old 11-04-2008, 04:20 PM   #24
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I welcome the Powers that be...I hope that by checking up on our activities here that maybe it will wake up just one of them that feels that disclosure is not an option...maybe they will change their minds. As long as they look and don't try to stop the majic happening here, I welcome them with open arms!

So here it is, my official hello to all who fall under the category of PTB!
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Old 11-04-2008, 04:28 PM   #25
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i think the powers that be really are ourselves, all humans on this planet. the world we live in is the world we made. If we don´t see paradise is because the number of people wanting a paradise is greatly outnumbered by those who do not want that to happen. We are here experience what true freedom is about, most people get dissapointed at the truth.

We are the working force of the system. The force who moves the system in a specific direction.

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